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Cocky Heel or The Bully Heel?

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Tomorrow night at Against All Odds we're going to have a Fatal Four Way match for the Heavyweight Championship. On the heel side we have Bobby Rhoode. He's the cocky arrogant prick who will do anything to keep the Heavyweight Championship, no matter the cost. And then we have Bully Ray... its pretty self explanatory what he is. That said, I'm not talking about the performer, I'm talking about the character. I'm not talking about the worker, I'm talking about the character they portray on television.

Do you think a bully character would make a good/great Heavyweight Champion?

If a bully character became Heavyweight Champion, how long do you think his reign could last before the character itself became stale as champion?

Or do you want to see the character Bobby Rhoode portrays to continue his reign as champion.
 
I personally think if a bully was Champ, it would mean the worker behind the character could do things without making it stale

but IMO, cocky heels like Roode are my favorite Champs
 
cocky heels seem to keep interest a lot longer than the bullies. we see bullies all the time beating the weaker guys and the jobbers. the cocky ones usually can speak and what not. they tend to have more charisma and can get under our skin a hell of a lot easier. def going with the cocky heel!
 
I say a Cocky Heel, because Cocky Heels are cocky because they are able to back it up in the ring (i.e. Ric Flair circa 1980's). The say they can win, and if they have to, they can win cleanly, because they ARE That Damn Good, but they choose to take the easy way out, because, well... they're heels. Bullies on the other hand are just that, bullies. They put up a big front and pick on weaker people to make themselves seem tougher than they actually are, but the first time someone stands up to them and kicks the shit out of them for everyone to see they loose their mystique and no longer seem as tough. They cheat because they have to, because they aren't all that good to begin with, that's why they target the weak.
 
and that's what happened to Mark Henry, Great Khali, Umaga (rip), Lashley, Matt Morgan, etc when they debuted. They seemed to create fear everywhere they went...but after their first loss.... well Henry spent a lot of years in the midcard, Khali is a joke, Umaga was jobbing to CM Punk before he passed away and that CM Punk wasn't the company top guy he is now.. Morgan is in the midcard and Lashley..who knows. I agree 100% with u
 
I like the cocky heel champion persona better. Mostly because they create a lot of emotion from the crowd, highs and lows. They generate a lot of heat from their promos and during their matches take you on a roller coaster ride. Especially when the babyfaces look like they are close to winning the championship, the crowd is on their feet and with a quick pull of the trunks or foot on the rope, the heel champ dashes those dreams away in an instant. I love Bobby Roode's heel character, how he gets his ass handed to him but he lays there clutching and kissing his World title, having stolen the moment. ;)
 
i think that a bully heel can go for a while in this setting and in this case for sure bully ray is both bully and cocky and the bully can give all the x division guys a shot so the bully can be cocky and beat them down and then lose to a big x division after a 3-4 month reign and feud for a couple months then get it back then start to have to face the bigger guys
 
Why are there only two types of heels? I think both the cocky heel and the bully heel are stale. What about the cowardly heel? What about the crazy heel? What about the heel that wants to push his/her values onto every one, ala the Straight Edge Society? They weren't necessarily bullies.

I think any unique way a writer can come up with a heel character that isn't either cocky or bully is infinitely better than both.
 
Generally speaking, I don't really see Bully Ray as actually being a bully. To me, he seems more like a cocky heel under the surface of a not so polished exterior. He doesn't run around wearing expensive suits & watches, which is a nice touch, but he's still every bit as arrogant as Bobby Roode. When push has come to shove, like most heels, Ray shows his cowardice more often than not. There are some aspects of the bully in Bully Ray's character, such as trying to come off as very tough with a bragadocious swagger and a loud voice, but how often have we seen Ray tuck tail & run when things get hot?

When I think of a heel character that comes across as a "bully", Mark Henry is the guy that springs to mind. He has the kind of presence and his work on the mic doesn't have the same sort of exaggerated swagger as Bully Rays, he doesn't use catchphrases, he doesn't have any good things to say about anybody and he actually...well, Henry actually has "bullied" people over the course of his current run. That doesn't mean that that we don't see a bit of a yellow streak pop up now and again that we always see some heels show at some point or another, but it's not what's most associated with his character. Henry is a big, menacing, 400 pound powerhouse that often uses his superior size to intimidate an opponent before beating the piss out of them. Henry is believable in this role and the WWE has kept it relatively simple, which has worked extremely well. Henry is one of the rare heels in wrestling that has made fans sort of "worry" about their favorites once they get into the ring with him as he's been consistently portrayed, since this past summer, as someone that can beat and/or hurt anybody on the WWE roster. And, that's made him one of the most entertaining guys to be WHC in the WWE.

Do you think a bully character would make a good/great Heavyweight Champion?

Mark Henry has proven that a believable bully heel can be a great World Champion.

If a bully character became Heavyweight Champion, how long do you think his reign could last before the character itself became stale as champion?

I'm not sure really. A lot depends upon consistent portrayl of the bully heel and the situations he's placed in. I'm a little surprised in WWE how over and fresh Mark Henry's character still is. If the guy playing the role of a bully, whether in WWE or TNA or wherever, is good enough then there's no assuming that he would get stale. That's sort of a problem, however, in wrestling today. Even if a wrestler is doing a great job in his role, whether it's heel or face, while carrying a title, there are always going to be fans, especially internet fans, that will soon start calling him stale or boring.

Or do you want to see the character Bobby Rhoode portrays to continue his reign as champion.

Bobby Roode is a great overall wrestler, but I'd never buy him as a "bully". To be a "bully", I do think that a legit physical presence and sense of intimidation has to be a huge factor. Roode is a good looking guy and in great shape, but he's not really someone I look at and see as a "badass" pushing people around & worrying the fans that he's gonna kick the crap out of their favorites. I do think a few tweaks here and there could help Roode in the long run. For instance, no matter who you are, it never looks good for your reigning 35 year old World Champion to tap out to his nearly 53 year old on screen boss. I do think they could make Roode a bit stronger and it would be nice to see his feuds with his title contenders to have some heat instead of having 99% of the heat these past several months be between himself & Sting.
 
I think Jack Hammer got it right when he says that the Bully Heel can definitely be a good World Champion. I was NEVER a Mark Henry fan until his recent "Hall of Pain" phase where he used his massive size and strength to bully his opponents and actually had a really good title reign in my opinion.

The Bully Heel has to be able to back up his words and really give a beat down to his (usually smaller) opponents, which is why being a big man is a benefit to this character, and is a reason why Henry was so successful at playing it.

Personally I prefer the cocky heel, the one Bobby Roode is currently playing, and the one that Randy Orton played so well when he was a member of Evolution. Running their mouth, and hitting the sneak attack before often high-tailing it out of the dangerzone before the opponent is able to retaliate. You know they are good, and can back up their words, but they choose not to and run away....that really gets the crowd going.

Bully Ray is good in his current role, I think its something he feels comfortable in and I could certainly see him with the TNA title this year. It would have to be as a heel though, so I don't think we will see him pin Roode, but maybe he defeats the next TNA face champion?
 

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