Chris Jericho is overrated

[stonecoldhell]

Jericho is so overrated.

He was such a clown on the mic, and still some few idiots talk about him being great on the mic lol. Jericho was just a clown in my opinion that got a supermega push when he left WCW to WWF.

I never understood why he got pushed against Austin. Austin owned Jericho everytime they fought.

Now Jericho comes back once in a couple of years and doing some job, getting paycheck.

The guy is so overrated it's pretty insane. I think Jericho is the most overrated star by IWC, casual fans barely care about the guy.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

I think so also you know.

He doesn;t have fluidity and just is obnoxiousness on the micriphone. I hate when he beat Austin at Vengeance. Imean ye Austin was a horrible worker and deserved to lose but Austin is best and should never lose.

Jericho sux you know Austim rulezz!

 

[Y 2 Jake]

It's a troll thread but it's also correct. Jericho has to be the, or one of, the most overrated wrestlers of recent memory.

But hey, people believe him when he talks about how good he is even though there hasn't been any evidence to support it in years. Go him.

 

[stonecoldhell]

I think so also you know.

He doesn;t have fluidity and just is obnoxiousness on the micriphone. I hate when he beat Austin at Vengeance. Imean ye Austin was a horrible worker and deserved to lose but Austin is best and should never lose.

Jericho sux you know Austim rulezz!

I bet you are just joking with me now right??
But if you don't i agree with you austin>>chris jericho.

 

[stonecoldhell]

It's a troll thread but it's also correct. Jericho has to be the, or one of, the most overrated wrestlers of recent memory.

But hey, people believe him when he talks about how good he is even though there hasn't been any evidence to support it in years. Go him.

No it's not, you can have differnt opinions in life. You know, everyone has different opinions that doesnt make anything trolling.

And you agreed with me as well that Jericho is overrated, so apprently you are trolling then? People talk like an excuse to disrespect people that have different opionons.

We don't live in North Korea, we can have different opinions.

 

[mace87]

Up until recent years I would have to disagree, I started watching WWE/F in 2000 and his matches with Angle & Benoit were always excellent and for me he never looked out of his league against to of the best technical wrestlers ever!

His feud with Shawn Michaels was gripping and intense and again in my opinion more than held his own in that rivalry.

I loved his smug/egotistical "best in the world at what I do" persona he was easy to hate which is surely a good thing for a heel and was weaseled his way to victories which is what a good heel should do to keep getting heat!

He has hardly ever had a bad match from my memory and deserves to have been multi time world champion.

The only things I don't like about his career is that some of his IC title runs were just pointless and the fact the keeps returning for short runs that go nowhere need to stop because they are damaging his credibility and don't really add anything in my opinion.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

I know, North Korea sux.

Also I also think that Jericho is ok as performer. I mean he does the basic things right but really never saw anythg special knowhaimean. He is No Stoce Cold, Hogan or Cena and Cena is best of all time.

 

[GeminiGarlord]

No he isn't. Even ignoring all that he did in his prime, he's basically the only old-guy/part-timer that can still put on excellent matches.

Especially now, I'd take Jericho over he Rock or whoever WWE feels like taking out the cryogenic chamber, every day.

Also I've never been that huge fan of Stone Cold, but that's just me.

 

[LBGetBack]

Jericho is so overrated.

He was such a clown on the mic, and still some few idiots talk about him being great on the mic lol. Jericho was just a clown in my opinion that got a supermega push when he left WCW to WWF.

I never understood why he got pushed against Austin. Austin owned Jericho everytime they fought.

Now Jericho comes back once in a couple of years and doing some job, getting paycheck.

The guy is so overrated it's pretty insane. I think Jericho is the most overrated star by IWC, casual fans barely care about the guy.

1. Jericho is not overrated. He's very good.

2. Jericho WAS a clown on the mic, and was very good at it. At one point he got very serious on the mic for a few years and was also very good at it.

3. It's not real. They didn't really fight. But if you're kayfabe talking trash, Jericho beat Austin for the title, and then beat him again in a title defense. Must you make every thread tie in to Austin somehow? Get off his nuts. Let them boys BREATHE. Damn.

4. Jericho comes back and gets a paycheck, absolutely. Why wouldn't he? If you were good at something and someone was willing to pay you to do it, I bet you would do so.

5. Jericho gets enormous pops pretty much every time he returns, so obviously many fans(IWC, and casual alike) care about the guy.

 

[Nick Black]

Stupid thread. Second one in a row I've read with the OP just bashing and not giving much room for discussion. If Jericho was so terrible, he wouldn't have been the first Undisputed Champion. If he was terrible, they wouldn't have bothered bringing him back to push new talent. The guy is a work horse, and one of the overall most talented WRESTLERS the WWE has ever had. He's had the ability to work any type of match, and make people who have no right looking good, look good. I know he is pushed to all hell, and is overrated in some aspects, but seriously? I know Stone Cold can put on a good match, but he is not as talented on the mat as Jericho. Austin picked up on wrestling pretty quick, and always had good matches. The guy was always a treat to watch work in the ring. But if you put his best match footage up against Jericho, it's just not there in terms of in ring talent. SCSA had tons of amazing matches with the Rock, Taker, and all of the big names in the attitude era, and his best match was the one that put him over with Bret Hart.

In a random example, I'll go by the PWI yearly awards.
- Stone Cold won feud of the year twice with Vinnie Mac.
- Jericho won it once with HBK.
(Jericho had a WRESTLING feud with Shawn, and SCSA had a TV feud with Vince)
- Stone Cold won wrestler of the year in 1998.
- Jericho won most hated wrestler of the year in 2002.
- Jericho won comeback of the year in 2008.
- Stone Cold won match of the year in 1996, and won Wrestler of the Year in 1998, 1999, and 2001.
- Stone Cold is a WWE Triple Crown winner, and has held a belt over 19 times between WWE and WCW.
- Jericho is the only Grand Slam Champion in WWE History that has held every title that was avalible in WWE (WWE Champ, WHC Title, Cruiserweight, European, US, Intercontinental, both Tag Titles) and has held a title over 29 times between ECW, WCW and WWE.

Fact of the matter is, Chris Jericho deserves all that he has earned. With all due respect to SCSA who is hands down one of the best wrestlers in history, Jericho has been a better worker in the ring, and Stone Cold, the best on the mic and also a good ring worker. Jericho is overrated to a point, but so is SCSA.

 

[rbv13]

@SCHell is 2 smart w/another kick azz thread. SCSA was super and best eva. That dirty Canada guy should have never been in USA. I was happy when Golberg beat him up backstage. Jericho was as bad then as Ambrose now. God bless SCSA.

 

[TheHellmouth]

I know this is a troll thread but I actually sort of agree. I'm a big fan of Jericho, I'd even put him in my top 5, but he IS overrated. Especially by himself (lol I don't blame him for that). He was an awesome upper midcarder/occasional main eventer and his 08-09 heel run was fantastic. But I still think he lacks something that would have ever truly made him "the guy" or whatever. A lot of IWC people like to compare him to Triple H for whatever reason and the consensus always seems to be Jericho is superior in every way. I just can't agree with that. Jericho has a slight in-ring advantage but he lacks a certain presence that Triple H IMO has.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

For the most part, I can't say that I agree. If numerous fans went on & on about Jericho as if he was the greatest thing to ever happen to wrestling, I'd agree. Generally speaking, I think Jericho's rated pretty accurately. I always found him to be a strong all around guy, though I never really saw him as someone who would ever be THE guy. Had WWE only had a single World Championship instead of two for 11.5 years, I don't believe he would've had as many title runs as he ultimately had. As he had 6 World Championship wins, I think that a total of 2 or 3 at the most would have come about.

I wouldn't put Jericho in the top 10 of the "all time greats", probably not in the top 20, but I'd rank him possibly in the top 25 or 30.

 

[Spidey Revivey]

It's my opinion but Jericho can do thousand moves more than Austin and Jericho beat Austin for the belt so Y2J all the way.

Austin over ate. He's just a South Park character that beats on lord and saver Vince McMahon.

It's my opinion tho. Stone Cold more like Stone Couldnt but hey it's my opinion.

Dean Ambrose is a god.

 

[CrucifiedRaven]

I love all of this troll's threads. Because they all contain, at some point, the line "Austin owned him every time they fought", no matter who the thread is about.

As for Jericho, my favourite work of his was from WCW. But basically anything from 1997-2001 was golden from Chris Jericho. My favourites being his feuds with Malenko (1,004 holds promo. Armbar!), Misterio ("acquiring" the knee of Rey Misterio, fake Misterio) and Goldberg (parodying his entrance, Ralphus).

There are some guys who even as midcarders, they give the mic to every time before their match. Jericho was always one of those guys, especially in WCW because he was just so entertaining. Jo Jo Dillan, Stinko Malenko, Ayatolla of Rock n Rolla, Greenberg, Jerichoholics, the c'mon babayyy one foot pin, etc etc

 

[MasterDebator]

Hogwash. Jericho is one of the few professional wrestlers who was exactly what he wanted to be when he wanted to be it. When Jericho wanted to be funny, he was. When Jericho wants to be villainous and menacing, he was. Haters gon' hate. No one said Jericho was Sammartino, but there's no problem with showing some love for a Paul O'neill type. Dude is one of the best all-around wrestlers we have. Respect.

 

[Terry Silver]

Watched jericho in the original ecw and wcw...watched it live when he premiered on wwf programming, never a fan really, that "come on baby!" Was so cringe worthy its stayed with me since wcw. Hes wrote what I think are the best wrestling books made, I think he is overrated for in ring work and on the mic, ayatollah of rock and rollah is stupid, so is y2j

 

[THTRobtaylor]

What is insane is that this OP is continually allowed to post in this way... If I started a thread this way, I'd be infracted or banned... time to sort this out.

With regards to the point... AH HELL NO!

Everything you need to know about WHY Jericho is considered the way he is by WWE was shown in this weeks Monday Night Wars show about him, which was one of the better and more balanced shows they've put out. They didn't shy away from the fact he didn't catch on right away or that he came in with a chip on his shoulder. But that WWE made a feature of him beating Trips, something that was previously "ignored" is quite telling.

WWE flat out say in that show that Jericho was a MAJOR reason they won the war... he was the steal they made that caught on, opened the floodgates and once the war was over he continued to improve and became the consumate WWE professional.

If anything he was undervalued for many, many years by WWE and the fans and any redress/rebalancing of that now is wholly justified based on how good some of his latter work has been. He is one of the few to go out and be more than "WWE Wrestler Chris Jericho", he has made impacts on TV, Music and to a lesser extent movies... not to the level of a Rock, but he is the one guy they truly have who is able to juggle his many projects and still WANT to be a regular, active part of WWE when it would be very easy to take a HOF nod and just stop.

Has he always been used right, no! In the last year or so his "bulletproof" status has died, because WWE missed what made it work... they'd occasionally make him the random World champ to recharge it... his last few runs have been jobs galore... and that's depleted the well.

If you want to do a straight comparison of Austin then bad luck, you can't... Jericho came in after Austin was damaged goods in the ring but I would argue Jericho had more natural ability in terms of athleticism, creativity and mic skills than Austin... they faced similar paths, where they were forced into roles not suited but Jericho didn't need to "just be himself turned up to 11" he could come up with stuff to improve his character... once Austin had 3:16 not much changed, he basically added "What?" in 4 years... Jericho went from bland face to "Man of 1004 Holds" to Heel Y2J to Face Y2J and back to heel, each being different and creative. His latter work, where he went the opposite of his original character may, as he said have been influenced by "No Country For Old Men" but he was smart enough to see it... Austin still used the same schtick and would today if he returned.

Austin had bigger impact for sure, but Jericho was the key ingredient in that latter Attitude era... he was the guy who people had liked watching in WCW who became "must see" in WWF and was there for the long haul, not the 4 years Austin was on top for... He had his hiatus' but always came back a bigger "star" cos he'd do Dancing with the Stars or headline festivals with Fozzy or show up in MacGruber...

I am sure Jericho himself now sees himself at a crossroads, that dreaded point of "not being able to be as good, or be allowed to be" is rearing his head... at some point sooner rather than later, he'll call time... but I am sure they will give him the 10th IC before he does, as a "thank you" and he'll then use that to put over a couple more guys over before he goes into the HOF and finally hangs it up... when he does, he will be remembered not as someone overrated, but as a guy who WANTED to do this, DID it better than 95% of those who ever did and who was able to make it outside of the biz... I don't think he's gonna be tearing up Hollywood anytime soon, but he's playing festivals like Download etc in the UK, Rock AM Ring... I could even see Glastonbury before Fozzy dies a death... I could see him as a TV host with another popular show... He's not gonna be an "office guy" for WWE, but I can see him being a part time trainer for them, especially when it comes to mic skills... all this is possible not cos he is overrated, but cos he IS the best in the world at what he does, and he does a lot more than most in the business do... I'd go so far as to put him in the same bracket with Savage... not the A+ grade star, but the solid A that will carry the show for you when A+ isn't around, cool enough or hurt...

 

[Mustang Sally]

As always with questions like these, it depends on what you consider "overrated" to mean.

In the case of Chris Jericho (imo), what we've come to appreciate is that he's never in a bad match. His opponents probably love working with him because he always makes them look good even while he's doing the same for himself. Have you noticed that no one ever seems to get injured when wrestling Jericho? That's because he works smoothly, guiding his opponent from one move to the next and turning wrestling steps into a set of interrelated moves that add up to an entertaining match.

I remember a time he had a singles matched while (we later learned) suffering a concussion. It was notable that it was the only time I've ever seen him flub his high-impact moves, like springing from the middle rope and somersaulting onto his enemy......he missed the rope and bungled the move. My point is that the exception proved the rule; in normal circumstances, it never happens to him.

Jericho has been a consummate professional and exciting ring worker, less for high-flying dynamics than for putting on matches that flow and tell a story every time out. When circumstances are right, he produces a masterpiece that ranks among the best matches you'll ever see.

There's no way I'd say been he's overrated.

 

[Pedigree1]

I dont think Jericho is necessarily overrated but some people out there have him very high on the totem pole.. Jericho is a very fluid performer and very good all around.. Not great in one area,but good in all areas.. I cant remember him ever having a bad match at all.

He makes his opponents look good takes their weakness and turns them into strengths. Not a lot of performers can make that claim.. JH makes an interesting point in stating that his six title reigns would have been like 2 or 3 most,had the WWE at the time,had one title instead of the two.

But he is a 9 time IC champion multiple tag team titles that fact cannot be taken from him. I rank Lyonheart Chris Jericho in the top 20 all time..

 

[The Gold Standard]

I'm just curious as to what OP was expecting to come after his post. Did you expect 15 "OP you're so right." responses or what? You couldn't have been any more blunt about it.

He comes back, like RVD, Kane, and others, to come and have feuds with younger stars who need to make a name for themselves and helps put them over. There's nothing overrated about helping the company you worked your ass off helping, get even better for when you're done.

 

[CyberPunk]

As someone pointed out, this is another thread from the OP basically saying, "Stone Cold is god, everyone else is shit." I mean come on now. You weren't entertained by Jericho, fine. But why is everyone else's opinion wrong?

In fact, I don't think anyone ever rated Jericho higher than Austin. Overrated though? Now come on. Jericho is one of the most well rounded wrestler. He can talk, he can wrestle, he can tell a story inside and outside the ring. He's a workhorse. He keeps coming back to put someone over, though that part has become stale lately. I have never seen someone go "Hail Jericho." But he's, rightly, pointed out as one of the better workers of this generation. Hell, he can go even at this age.

This series from OP is really getting weird now.

 

[Bythedockofthebay]

I would agree that for the most part Jericho is overrated by most of us. But then again, it's not really just that clear. He's done his part and for that he should be commended but I wouldn't rank jericho in the top hundred wrestlers of all time imo. Although I include wrestlers like Lou Thesz, Ed Lewis, and Gorgeous George in my rankings and I know most don't. Also with that I include Japanese Guys like Misawa, Rikidozan, and Inoki. So Jericho has an uphill battle.

I don't know where everyone would rank Jericho but he might actually be rated because I don't think many think Jericho is one of the best ever. So I think he's a little closer to rated than overrated.

 

[Wrestlingaholic]

Chris Jericho is a very good wrestler. Overrated? I don't think you can accuse anyone who connects with the audience as being 'overrated' - there's popular wrestlers I didn't necessarily like (let's say Lex Luger, and I've never really seen the appeal of Mark Henry, for example), but both have got themselves over with the crowd during their career, so just because I don't like them doesn't mean I find them overrated.

Jericho's personality shone through early on - his breakthrough really coming when he had tantrums after losses in WCW (the first one I saw, on Nitro, was after losing to Curt Hennig); later, his stuff with Juventud Guerrera when he unmasked Juvi, and his hilarious 'man of 1004 holds' segment on Nitro during his feud with Dean Malenko. His WWE debut promo was awesome, and his anti-Stephanie promos during the Invasion storyline were hilarious. That's not to mention his fantastic matches with the Rock, Chris Benoit and more. Indeed, one huge reason Shawn Michaels is regarded as 'Mr Wrestlemania' is his epic match with Jericho at Safeco Field, Seattle at WM19. He rarely put on a bad match in my opinion (other than very early on in his WWE career when he was saddled with Chyna).

That said, two things frustrate me about Y2J: one is his short runs that he keeps dipping in and out of recently, I'd rather they were longer but that's just me. Secondly - and this was mentioned in another thread recently - is his Walls of Jericho finisher. I MUCH preferred his WCW-style Liontamer, it looked one of the most painful moves ever. The most frustrating thing about it is he very occasionally utilises it in WWE - he's done it to Kofi Kingston, Shawn Michaels, even Daniel Bryan on the first ever episode of NXT. It's a shame that he changed it to a standard Boston Crab for most of his WWE run though.

 

[THTRobtaylor]

He explains in his book the reasons for the change of move... it's sheer necessity, as in "the land of the giants" the original Walls just doesn't work... he can't put it on bigger opponents and have it look good the same as the smaller ones... so he had to adapt it and busts out the original where the opponent can physically "take the move" and it'll work... Try putting the original walls on a Kane, Mark Henry or Big Show...it ain't happening...

The short runs are annoying, not cos they are short but more that WWE doesn't do anything truly meaningful with them anymore. Chris took unfair flak for the Bray feud, the issue was that Jericho wasn't that big a deal this time out... they hadn't rebuilt him enough. It beggared belief that "they couldn't find anything" at Mania when there is the 10th IC title to be won... that was a Mania 30 moment if ever there was one, Jericho winning the milestone. He could have done that this time as Barrett was hurt almost immediately he returned and made Bray's win more meaningful.

It's like wearing kevlar that's already been shot several times... it might work, but there's also a chance that it won't... put a new layer over it and bang will save your life...