Chris Jericho is GONE FOR GOOD from Raw! Wait, no he isn't.

[Ambiguous Turd]

What a bunch of garbage.

Raw is better without Jericho because Jericho added nothing to Raw but calling people "hypocrites", "parasites", and what not. He is far more needed on Smackdown at the moment where only CM Punk and a recently turned Batista are on top.

With Bret Hart on Raw, Vince McMahon, and now Shawn Michaels who will inevitably become involved in the scenario somewhere, Chris Jericho is simply not needed on Raw. Why does WWE think he is?

WWE has a problem with consistency in their storylines. Their logic sometimes is absolutely asinine. Jericho lost the Unified Tag Team Titles at TLC and therefore should not be appearing on Raw.

He had his rematch with Big Show. He lost his rematch. That was it.

But "oh no". Not in WWE- where they can't even follow a storyline for a week before abandoning it.

Why does WWE think Jericho is so indispensible to Raw? He added nothing spectacular to the show. No more than any other superstar.

Furthermore, what a way to make Smackdown again look like shit, with Jericho wanting to get on Raw so badly, while seemingly treating Smackdown like a second-rate Brand. This has been a consistent problem with how Vince essentially tells his fans that his other show doesn't matter.

So Triple H tells Jericho last night "This is it, Chris. No more rematches or anything". Way to go, Hunter. I thought that's supposedly was the purpose of what you did last week on Raw to get Jericho off the show, and that is why you were making fun of him. Evidently not.

The writing is on the wall that Jerishow are getting the belts back, which will allow Shawn Michaels to wander off on his own in dealing with both The Undertaker and Bret Hart.

And we can essentially ignore the title change that happened at TLC just so we can be "treated" to the most over-rated heel of the decade back on Raw, again, because apparently WWE is incapable of giving pushes to anyone else on the Raw roster.

Jericho has taken the place of Edge, essentially ... such as when Vince used Edge to be on both shows at every opportunity he could get.

Again, this is just one more testament to WHY the WWE wants Jericho as a Tag Team Champion ... and it has nothing to do with the "prestige of the championship" as it does finding a way to get him on both rosters.


The questions are:


1) What do you anticipate happening in next week's match with Jerishow against DX?

2) Why is WWE so obsessed with Chris Jericho being on Raw? Especially given the fact that he has never been a proven draw in his entire tenure in WWE.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

First of all, I think there's no way in hell Jerishow regains the titles next week. DX just won them at TLC, which wasn't too long ago, and I don't see them dropping the belts that quickly. DX will probably beat them cleanly, thus ending the feud with Jerishow, since they didn't have a proper re match. Then that leaves one question lingering, where does Jerishow go from there? Unless WWE plans on permanently moving Jericho to Raw again, I don't see how they would make this work. Maybe WWE wants Jerishow to be the second dominate tag team next to Jerishow, since there really is no other.

I really don't know why WWE wants Jericho on Raw so badly. Besides Jerishow, there's nothing else he could really do on Raw, that he hasn't done before. He's feuded with Cena, HBK, Orton(when he was face),Kofi Kingston,MVP and Mark Henry when Jerishow were champions, and we all know he's feuded with HHH befroe a ton of times in the past. So what in the hell could he do that he hasn't done before? My guess as to why WWE would want him on Raw, is so that brand can have another strong heel. Maybe Batista is going to be the undisputed #1 heel over on Smackdown for a while?

My last guess is that WWE plans on doing a big angle when Jerishow splits up. It's obvious WWE wants to furtherer the storyline between the two, after last night's segment,where Show told Jericho their relationship was over.

 

[ki6gsz]

I have to disagree. Next week will become the less famous Dayton Screw-Job. During the match, Shawn will be in some predicament and Bret will come out to signal for the match to end and Jerishow will be awarded the titles. Do, I like that idea...no, but does it make 100% perfect sense? Yes.

 

[MizMark]

What a bunch of garbage. Raw is better without Jericho because Jericho added nothing to Raw but calling people "hypocrites", "parasites", and what not. He is far more needed on Smackdown at the moment where only CM Punk and a recently turned Batista are on top

Why can't he appear on both shows? As in, he still appears on Smackdown, just Raw aswell. IMO if he stays off Raw he should be in a World Heavyweight Championship fued, leading to Edge v. Jericho at Mania for the title.

Chris Jericho is also one of the most entertaining things in the whole of WWE. his promos are awesome, he cuts some the best heel promos you will see and he generates more heat than Dibiase/Rhodes/Swagger and Carlito combined at the minute.

With Bret Hart on Raw, Vince McMahon, and now Shawn Michaels who will inevitably become involved in the scenario somewhere, Chris Jericho is simply not needed on Raw. Why does WWE think he is?

I agree to an extent, it depends on if Hart is on WWE Raw every week. Jericho is more interesting than alot of what Raw has to offer, although where would he be left if DX is involved with Hart? If it is just McMahon and Hart, with Michaels not having a main role then DX can still fued with JeriShow.

WWE has a problem with consistency in their storylines. Their logic sometimes is absolutely asinine. Jericho lost the Unified Tag Team Titles at TLC and therefore should not be appearing on Raw.

Their logic? In that Jericho was thrown out the other week? And this week only got in because he had a ticket? IMO that makes perfect sense.

He had his rematch with Big Show. He lost his rematch. That was it.

They also got screwed out of their rematch. See how Sheamus screwed Cena last night? You don't think that is going to end their fued do you? And now Cena is moving onto something else? I don't, although with Cena off Raw next week I could be wrong.

But "oh no". Not in WWE- where they can't even follow a storyline for a week before abandoning it.

Erm, they didn't abandon it. Jericho got thrown out one week and got in with a ticket the next. He didn't just show up like the rest of the superstars, I don't see Hunter buying a ticket or not being allowed it.

Why does WWE think Jericho is so indispensible to Raw? He added nothing spectacular to the show. No more than any other superstar.

Any other superstar? On the Raw roster? Oh boy.
Carlito - He has done nothing for months apart from cut a promo on Cena and get beat by him.
Chavo - He gets beat by a midget every week as a joke for McMahon
Primo - What on earth does he actually do these days apart from job to midcard talent?
Evan Bourne - You get a good match out of him but he jobs to anyone, Jericho can put on a match as good, or better, looks more legit in terms of size and is far better on the mic.
Big Dick Johnson - Yes, he is listed on there. Seriously, a dance once every year? That is money...

I'm bored of this now, but you see where I am going. Jericho has more far of a personality/character than all of those put together at the minute, is better on the mic than all of them put together, and if it wasn't for Carlito he'd be 10 times better than them on the stick. And more importantly, he can put on 4/5 star matches and make his opponent look quality.

Furthermore, what a way to make Smackdown again look like shit, with Jericho wanting to get on Raw so badly, while seemingly treating Smackdown like a second-rate Brand. This has been a consistent problem with how Vince essentially tells his fans that his other show doesn't matter.

Raw is the A show. It goes out live. It doesn't matter if the actual product that Smackdown puts out is better, but just look at the rosters. HHH, Michaels, Cena, Orton, Big Show. Smackdown - Taker, Punk, Jericho, Mysterio, Batista. Raw is in a different league.

The writing is on the wall that Jerishow are getting the belts back, which will allow Shawn Michaels to wander off on his own in dealing with both The Undertaker and Bret Hart.

And what's the problem with that? Logical IMO

And we can essentially ignore the title change that happened at TLC

Why ignore it? It still happened, confusing point.

just so we can be "treated" to the most over-rated heel of the decade back on Raw

Over rated? He is awesome on the mic and can go in the ring with anyone. His fueds with Mysterio/Michaels and Steamboat were great.

because apparently WWE is incapable of giving pushes to anyone else on the Raw roster

Kofi and Sheamus ring any bells? And what about Legacy beating DX on PPV?

Jericho has taken the place of Edge, essentially ... such as when Vince used Edge to be on both shows at every opportunity he could get

And what's the problem?

Again, this is just one more testament to WHY the WWE wants Jericho as a Tag Team Champion ... and it has nothing to do with the "prestige of the championship" as it does finding a way to get him on both rosters.

How can you seriously prove that?

1) What do you anticipate happening in next week's match with Jerishow against DX?

Depends on what is happening with Hart. Maybe DX loses and it frees them up for the Bret Hart thing. I don't see the logic in DX going over JeriShow AGAIN.

2) Why is WWE so obsessed with Chris Jericho being on Raw? Especially given the fact that he has never been a proven draw in his entire tenure in WWE

Because he is more over than the majority of the entire WWE roster and they want him on their flagship live show?

 

[Kenny Powers]

The only reason I would want to see Jerishow regain the titles would be so we wouldn't see Hornswoggle interfere in matches anymore. There is no reason for DX to be tag champs. There is also no reason for Jerishow to be champs when you think of it.

Jericho has been rather stale over the past year. He was entertaining last year on Raw with his feud with Michaels though. I just think Jericho's place is Smackdown. He should be feuding with The Undertaker for his championship. That way we can see a WHC match against Jericho and Edge at Wrestlemania.

I think WWE are so obsessed with Jericho on Raw, because next to Orton he is the only credible heel on the show. Sheamus is a heel, but Jericho is the only one that gets a reaction since Orton gets mostly cheers now. I really don't think there is anything left for Jericho to do on Raw. They should win the titles then lose them to the Hart Dynasty or Smackdown. I would also be happy with seeing Legacy beat DX for the titles, but we have seen that over and over again.

As long as DX have the belts, we will see nothing but nonsense in the tag team division. Which has been a big joke over the past 6 months anyways.

 

[twist_of_fate]

I have to disagree. Next week will become the less famous Dayton Screw-Job. During the match, Shawn will be in some predicament and Bret will come out to signal for the match to end and Jerishow will be awarded the titles. Do, I like that idea...no, but does it make 100% perfect sense? Yes.

I agree with you because I can actually see that happening too with Bret Hart hosting that night. Shawn Michaels and Triple H defending their titles against JeriShow which means there is a chance for Bret to screw Michaels. That's just what we need to start off the first Raw of the year and theres already a screwjob. I still hope that it wont happen


back to the topic yes Jericho is still on Raw for some reason but if they do win the unified tag team championship it wouldn't make much sense because JeriShow "broke up" this past week.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

Put down the Haterade, Sid. Give it a rest!!

Jericho is great...he has been great for years. He's a many-time world champion, and he's one of the more accomplished workers in the industry...today and all-time. The man is entertaining and can play the role of super babyface as well as top heel. Why wouldn't you want this guy on Raw? The guy is a future hall of famer.

 

[Travaje]

I for one mark out for Jerishow and hope they do get the belts back. Big Show, in particular, got a big boost from being with Jericho and they work well together. D/X sells a ton of merchandise, but pretty soon Trips is gonna go back to being in the title hunt and Shawn has a couple of storylines that he could get involved in. D/X is not much more than cheap pop city.

As far as Jericho on Raw, maybe it's because more people watch Raw than Smackdown, and Jericho is by far the best heel in all of WWE. He's one of the few guys who can actually cut a promo and write his own material. He's one of the only guys who can work a match with anyone and make it good. That's nice they're trying to make Smackdown the 1A show, but it isn't. It's the 2 show.

We're going to disagree, OP. I like Jericho. You do not.

 

[rick angle]

Long, long time reader. As usual "Lord" I disagree with almost everything you say.

Jericho wanting to get back onto raw makes perfect sense in every conceivable manner. Jericho and Edge first got the Tag-team championship so that Jericho could get back onto raw after being drafted to smackdown.
This is an example of WWE actually following a storyline. Jericho since his debut where he interrupted the rock has professed his love for raw. People are going to argue, what about his love for his slammy? He won the slammy because he wants the award, he'd fiercely fight for raw if he was on that brand. It was his typical heel mentality of "Oh yeah?! WELL WHO NEEDS YOU (raw) ANYWAY? Smackdown is the best" which is the same as a guy moving onto a rebound chick. His catchphrase was "raw is jericho" for christ's sake

As for your rant about him not being a draw, I'd like to just say "You're wrong" and leave it at that, however so it's not spam. Jericho is a draw, his legacy is the first ever WWE undisputed champion. Any wrestling fan instantly recognises him and has at some stage said "raw is jericho" "ayatollah of rock 'n' rollah" "jnr would you please shut the hell up" and/ or laughed at his antics of calling Stephanie a ****. Jericho is raw and raw is Jericho.

Seriously get over the prestige of the championship. Even when the tag team division was rich with talent, Edge and Christian, Brothers of Destruction, The hardys etc. The belt was not prestigious and i am 21 years old and it hasn't been as long as I have bee alive. Tag team belts are mcguffins pure and simple

I see DX retaining and jerishow are challenging them because there are no tag-teams realistically able to challenge DX for the title, They are both Main event wrestlers and Multiple Flagship Title holders. You think that the Hart Dynasty are going to beat them honestly unless it was a dirty- dirty win? Wake up and change hands. For The Hart Dyansty to get over, they need to cleanly beat a team like legacy first

 

[InfectedGT]

Jericho wanting to get back onto raw makes perfect sense in every conceivable manner.

No it doesn't, when Jericho was drafted to SmackDown earlier this year he said he didn't want to return to RAW because it sucked.I think that's what Sidious meant by they abandon their storylines.

 

[dannybhoy]

i agree with what you are saying here, BUT... all i have seen for weeks on here is people moaning how shit storylines are, how predictable the wwe is right now and then moan that they changed it so it didnt seem as if we knew it was going to happen.

i believe Shawn michaels will win the rumble!!!! it was made sorta clear on raw. That HBK must do it himself.

Just let the WWE go with what they want!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

1. I expect a decent match between Jerishow and DX in which DX wins thus retaining the titles and keeping Jericho banned from RAW.

2. I don't see why they would try to keep Jericho on RAW. He doesn't add anything and he was beneficial last year because Orton was injured. He's much more needed on Smackdown so he can be a second main event heel since it seems Punk is back to the midcard. Only reason why Jericho was a tag team champion is so that he could be on both shows. He didn't add anything to RAW and he is better on Smackdown and it just goes to show that Vince doesn't care much about the second brand.

Put down the Haterade, Sid. Give it a rest!!

Jericho is great...he has been great for years. He's a many-time world champion, and he's one of the more accomplished workers in the industry...today and all-time. The man is entertaining and can play the role of super babyface as well as top heel. Why wouldn't you want this guy on Raw? The guy is a future hall of famer.

Because he simply isn't needed on RAW as much as he is needed on Smackdown. You have Orton and Sheamus as the two top heels on RAW and plenty of faces and on Smackdown you really have Batista as the only main event heel. Punk is still feuding with Truth and Hardy and I don't see that ending anytime soon. Jericho was much needed on RAW last year with the injuries and he hasn't helped RAW any this year and would be better served on Smackdown.

 

[kiriyama]

While I'll agree that Jericho is muchly needed on SD! with the absense of EDGE, but at the same time... I am THOROUGHLY enjoying the mad doses of Jericho RAW is prescribing. FFS, they've brought back the old WCW "Conspiracy Victim" Jericho!!!1 I marked to the moon for him last night. Seriously, have him on SD! but keep him alternating from it to RAW. And please to God, WWE better keep the "Conspiracy Victim" theme on Jericho for at least until after 'Mania. By then EDGE should be back and they could have Jericho "officially" back aboard the RAW roster.

 

[Tastycles]

I don't understand how any logic or storyline has been violated here. He wasn't allowed into the arena, which is logically the in universe place he was banned from, and he bought a front row ticket, something that has been done about a million times in wrestling history. It might not have been the greatest segment of all time, but it didn't defy any logic, whatever that means in wrestling anyway. When HHH waited a week to do anything after seeing his wife get booted in the face, that defied logic. This, well it was just average programming.

As for why he is on Raw the programme rather than the kayfabe entity is unclear. I would hazard a guess that it is to do with the fact that they don't trust the Big Show to enter programmes alone, but I'm not sure.

Nobody in the WWE is essential to any of the shows except for John Cena, so Jericho certainly doesn't need to be there, but I would suggest he's there because a lack of foresight.

On any given brand, you need 6 main eventers, 3 heel and 3 face to maintain a decent show rotation. If each programme lasts 2 months then you can fill the year with this number, which is obviously the desired situation.

WWE shot itself in the foot with the draft. They moved Jericho to Smackdown, having only just lost JBL and replaced him with Big Show. When the dust settled in July, Smackdown was left with its three faces in Undertaker, Mysterio and Jeff Hardy and its three heels in Jericho, Edge and Punk. Meanwhile Raw had 4 faces and 2 heels; namely Cena, HHH, Michaels and Batista and Big Show and Orton respectively. That was fine, as there was a heel champion, and all that would need to be done is to turn one of the faces in due course. Great.

That's when the problem occurred. Hardy left and Edge got injured. Suddenly, there was a need for both a heel and a face on Smackdown. To solve this, they sent Batista accross, who was face when there was a heel champion and vice versa. This is fine, and the face spot can be filled by John Morrison in time.

Meanwhile back on Raw, there's a problem as Orton has dropped the title to a face. An extra heel is needed, hence Sheamus' huge push forward. However, before that could come to fruition, Jericho had to fill the gap, hence why he started appearing on Raw far more regularly after Batista jumped ship to Smackdown, and as champion was convieniently placed to do so. Sidious will tell you that this increase in appearances was planned, but I don't think so. I think it was a lucky coincidence that they had a loophole through which to put Jericho.

Whatever, that is what came to happen to put Jericho on Raw, and the rise of Sheamus is also the reason why he is no longer needed on the brand.

I anticipate that DX will retain the titles next week, and this will lead to a shit programme between Jericho and Show, after which Jericho will return to Smackdown. If they do win, I imagine we'll see much of the same thing, but I seriously don't envisage another long term reign or dual branding for Jericho.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Youre an idiot. Hes still on smackdown every week. If you dont enjoy him on raw, change the channel and stop your fuking crying. Seriously, why do you even watch wrestling if all you do is complain about every storyline with out even letting it play out. Put jericho on raw, smackdown, and ecw for all i care. Just get lord sidious of this fuking site and "save us" all.

Learn how to spell your insults correctly first of all.

Jericho and Big Show were granted a rematch two weeks ago in the stipulation that if they lost, Jericho is gone from RAW. DX got themselves intentionally disqualified and still retained the titles meaning Jericho is gone from RAW. DX shouldn't grant them one more rematch but they did thus pointing out that half the time WWE can keep up a storyline more than a couple of weeks.

He is a Smackdown wrestler and when he lost the tag team titles he shouldn't be on RAW. He was granted a rematch then lost so he shouldn't be on RAW period. If Jericho wants to be on RAW so bad, why doesn't he just go to Teddy Long and ask to be released from Smackdown?

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

Why can't he appear on both shows? As in, he still appears on Smackdown, just Raw aswell. IMO if he stays off Raw he should be in a World Heavyweight Championship feud, leading to Edge v. Jericho at Mania for the title.

Because it leads to over-exposure. Stick his ass on Raw or stick it on Smackdown. He's had the Unified Tag Titles for long enough now so that he is stale appearing on both shows.

Personally, I've seen enough of him on Raw and would rather the time they give him go to developing other talent, while he works with the Smackdown talent, which would lead to more fresh feuds.

Chris Jericho is also one of the most entertaining things in the whole of WWE.

Bullshit. Jericho is one of the most over-rated talents in the history of the business. His promos today are generic, his character is generic, his attire is generic .... but he's a good, safe wrestler. That's about it.

his promos are awesome, he cuts some the best heel promos you will see and he generates more heat than Dibiase/Rhodes/Swagger and Carlito combined at the minute.

Given the way his promos are scripted, I could give dress anyone up in a suit to deliver the generic lines he does, and they would get the same response. Sure, he may get some heat in today's WWE, but that sure as Hell isn't saying much. People are starved for anything that remotely demonstrates personality.

I agree to an extent, it depends on if Hart is on WWE Raw every week. Jericho is more interesting than alot of what Raw has to offer, although where would he be left if DX is involved with Hart? If it is just McMahon and Hart, with Michaels not having a main role then DX can still fued with JeriShow.

I think Jericho COULD BE a lot more interesting than the other things on Raw, but not in this particular role, which I think is the most over-rated Heel I think I have ever seen.

Their logic? In that Jericho was thrown out the other week? And this week only got in because he had a ticket? IMO that makes perfect sense.

Sure, it makes sense he has a ticket. No it makes no sense that he is supposed to be gone from Raw and the deal was that he got one rematch. And that rematch opportunity was ruined. Therefore, he should be gone.

They also got screwed out of their rematch. See how Sheamus screwed Cena last night? You don't think that is going to end their fued do you? And now Cena is moving onto something else? I don't, although with Cena off Raw next week I could be wrong.

There's a difference. Cena and Sheamus are both assigned to Raw. Jericho is not. The whole point of them getting screwed was to stick it in his face that he got screwed in his final opportunity to get the titles back.

Erm, they didn't abandon it. Jericho got thrown out one week and got in with a ticket the next. He didn't just show up like the rest of the superstars, I don't see Hunter buying a ticket or not being allowed it.

Why would Hunter have to buy a ticket when he's on the show? The rematch was supposed to be Jericho's last opportunity. So essentially, by him getting a rematch, they are ignoring it.

Any other superstar? On the Raw roster? Oh boy.
Carlito - He has done nothing for months apart from cut a promo on Cena and get beat by him.
Chavo - He gets beat by a midget every week as a joke for McMahon
Primo - What on earth does he actually do these days apart from job to midcard talent?
Evan Bourne - You get a good match out of him but he jobs to anyone, Jericho can put on a match as good, or better, looks more legit in terms of size and is far better on the mic.
Big Dick Johnson - Yes, he is listed on there. Seriously, a dance once every year? That is money...

How about Jack Swagger, MVP, more time to Cody Rhodes and Dibiase, The Miz, Carlito (in response to your statements above, simple ... start pushing him), Chris Masters .....

This trying to pretend like Raw just can not do without Jericho is just pathetic. They got along fine without him for several years. The key is giving other talents on the roster meaningful things to do, and quit relying on the same people time and time again.

I'm bored of this now, but you see where I am going. Jericho has more far of a personality/character than all of those put together at the minute, is better on the mic than all of them put together, and if it wasn't for Carlito he'd be 10 times better than them on the stick. And more importantly, he can put on 4/5 star matches and make his opponent look quality.

Well, I'm bored with seeing Jericho on the show. Sure he can put on a good match, but that is miniscule in the big picture. Change his character. Plain and simple. Or put him on another show and let him actually work with some different people.

Raw is the A show. It goes out live. It doesn't matter if the actual product that Smackdown puts out is better, but just look at the rosters. HHH, Michaels, Cena, Orton, Big Show. Smackdown - Taker, Punk, Jericho, Mysterio, Batista. Raw is in a different league.

Please don't lecture me like I'm stupid. Sure, Raw is the A show. As much as I 100% disagree with A Show B Show concepts because they essentially tell your audience that the "other shows don't matter" it is what it is. However, you don't go out of your way to make the other show look bad which is essentially what is being done here by Jericho.

And what's the problem with that? Logical IMO

Not saying it isn't logical to get the belts of DX. What I'm saying is that I can't believe that they can't find anyone else to put the belts on but Jerishow once again. Jericho is not indispensible to Raw.

Why ignore it? It still happened, confusing point.

Over rated? He is awesome on the mic and can go in the ring with anyone. His fueds with Mysterio/Michaels and Steamboat were great.

Yes, over-rated. I can tell you are just another Jericho Internet mark. Not really sure why I am wasting my time on you, to be frank.

And what's the problem?

The problem is when you use the same guys over and over and over again, your product gets stale. That is what the problem is.

How can you seriously prove that?

How do you want me to prove Santa Claus or ghosts don't exist? This is a Discussion Forum and I offer my opinions based on what I see on my TV screen, and based on watching the product for 20 years.

I don't ask you to "prove" your opinions, do I? It's impossible. Show me the same courtesy.

Depends on what is happening with Hart. Maybe DX loses and it frees them up for the Bret Hart thing. I don't see the logic in DX going over JeriShow AGAIN.

Well, I would pull for it to happen, only to have DX lose the titles to someone else like Hart Dynasty. Jericho and Show DO NOT need the Tag Team Titles to get over, and anyone who thinks so must not think highly of either Show or Jericho.

Because he is more over than the majority of the entire WWE roster and they want him on their flagship live show?

And other stars could easily be just as over as Jericho if given the proper time to speak on the mic, too.

What I have a problem is this constant reliance on people like Jericho and Edge on the part of Vince, which makes the show extremely stale. Those guys haven't added anything new to the show in years. It's the same crap.

I want to see new faces, doing new things on the show ... not the same tired faces interacting with the same people, and having the same feuds.

Really shouldn't be a difficult concept for you to grasp. I know this seemed a little snippy, but I really didn't appreciate the snippy tone of your post. Why don't you tone it down a little next time?

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Wow, bitch bitch moan moan.

Fuck, we're building to WM here people. Jericho is one of the best out there and is involved in a story with Raw superstars so he's going to appear. He's still on Smackdown.

Let it go, Jericho's doing a great job. Just sit back and enjoy it. So sick of the bitching when the show is actually getting much more entertaining and more relevant. Fuck.

Fact of the matter is, Jericho has not done a great job. You think he and Big Show helped revitalize the tag division but they didn't nor was it the intention. Jericho was there to be put on both shows and that was it. Jericho shouldn't be involved in a story with RAW superstars because he had his chance and it was ruined so he should go back to Smackdown and stay there. He could help Morrison out on Smackdown after John's feud with McIntyre to help build him up like Orton is doing for Kingston.

 

[klunderbunker]

There's one really good thing coming out of Jericho being around: it's giving the tag titles a story. For years it's been tag team A wins the belts and holds them for four months before team B wins a few mathces over them and then the belts at a PPV and then repeats the process. It's boring as hell and there's no story to it at all.

We have something different here. Jericho and Show are stars that have main event credentials. Jericho has a complaint about the belts. DX, two of the most over and successful guys in history have the belts now. What's bad here? The tag titles are a major focus of the show. A tag title match main evented a PPV. Would you prefer Legacy vs. Henry and MVP again? I certainly wouldn't. We have four guys that are going to put on a decent match and get a reaction from the crowd that are making the belts mean something again. I really am failing to see the downside here.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

There's one really good thing coming out of Jericho being around: it's giving the tag titles a story. For years it's been tag team A wins the belts and holds them for four months before team B wins a few mathces over them and then the belts at a PPV and then repeats the process. It's boring as hell and there's no story to it at all.

We have something different here. Jericho and Show are stars that have main event credentials. Jericho has a complaint about the belts. DX, two of the most over and successful guys in history have the belts now. What's bad here? The tag titles are a major focus of the show. A tag title match main evented a PPV. Would you prefer Legacy vs. Henry and MVP again? I certainly wouldn't. We have four guys that are going to put on a decent match and get a reaction from the crowd that are making the belts mean something again. I really am failing to see the downside here.

The main problem is who have the belts right now and who want the belts. If Jerishow would have drop the belts to a team that needs them like Legacy or Cryme Tyme, I wouldn't have a problem. But do DX really need the belts and are they going to do what Jerishow didn't do and drop them to a Legacy or even the Hart Dynasty. Jerishow didn't have any great matches as champions and I don't think DX is going too either.

 

[klunderbunker]

The main problem is who have the belts right now and who want the belts. If Jerishow would have drop the belts to a team that needs them like Legacy or Cryme Tyme, I wouldn't have a problem. But do DX really need the belts and are they going to do what Jerishow didn't do and drop them to a Legacy or even the Hart Dynasty. Jerishow didn't have any great matches as champions and I don't think DX is going too either.

Yeah I know that but this is exactly like Rey and Jericho fighting over the IC belt over the Summer. The title had zero credibility because it was held by Santino and other people that few cared about and had no credibility for so long (Kofi was completely unproven when he had it). By more or less filtering it through Rey and Jericho, they made it mean something again like they did with JBL and Punk. They put the belt on people that were going to get the fans caring about it again because the top guys fought for it and held it again.

I think that's what they're doing with the tag titles. It's not so much about having great matches, but rather that two of the top five guys in the company have the belts and two A-list guys like Jerishow held them and Edge had one just before that. They're trying to rebuild the belts and this is the best way to do that. Rhodes and Holly vs. Murdoch and Cade for example could have put on a classic match and few would have cared because of what their names were. DX having a decent match gives the belts more than anything most guys could do for them. Imagine how awesome the team that beats them will look. They beat a team with a combined 15 or 16 world titles and two Hall of Fame members. They look awesome and are instantly credible as a team. That's huge for the division. It's a slow process but it helps out greatly.

 

[Dagger Dias]

MODERATOR COMMENTS (Lord Sidious)

Do you see what Dagger Dias did below? He sticks to the topic of the thread by copying the questions asked in the OP and actually answers the questions asked by the Thread Starter. This is a sure way to avoid wandering off topic and rambling. Green Rep for you, sir.

1) What do you anticipate happening in next week's match with Jerishow against DX?

Hard to say. I think that DX is going to retain.... but I also think that Jericho will once again find a way to sneak back onto Raw because his promos against DX have been good and they should continue.

2) Why is WWE so obsessed with Chris Jericho being on Raw? Especially given the fact that he has never been a proven draw in his entire tenure in WWE.

I think that they want him on Raw because he's good on the mic and gets reactions out of the fans that even some of the heels can't. Perhaps they realized that he should be on Raw rather than Smackdown? It's hard to say on this one too.

I think that it's been getting confusing with them continually telling Jericho that he's no longer allowed at Raw only for him to sneak in somehow. I enjoy seeing him on both shows, but he is Smackdown exclusive and unless he wins back the tag team belts he should remain on his show because he's done more brand jumps lately than most wrestlers would be (kayfabe) allowed to do. I think it will be interesting when we find out if he really is going to get to be a part of Raw again though because he is good enough to be able to do well on both shows.

 

[dannybhoy]

I have just had a look at little jerry lawlers bit there.

the stipulation was if jericho and big show LOST!!!!!!!! then jericho would be banished from RAW, he won the match via DQ thus not losing the match.

But seriuosly let WWE do as they please, they gave us these talking points, They are making the show interesting, coz if it wasnt interesting you wouldnt be talking about it.

 

[Belladonna29]

The questions are:

1) What do you anticipate happening in next week's match with Jerishow against DX?

2) Why is WWE so obsessed with Chris Jericho being on Raw? Especially given the fact that he has never been a proven draw in his entire tenure in WWE.

1.) At the moment, I'm anticipating DX getting screwed out of the title because of Bret Hart somehow. While this reeks of the 'obvious' thing to do, that doesn't mean it won't happen. I think it's been reported for awhile now that Shawn and Hunter aren't the biggest fans of being on SD, a.k.a., working on Tuesdays. Add in the fact that the Raw creative team has had multiple opportunities to keep Jericho off of Raw, but keep pulling him back anyway, and it seems like that's the road they're heading down.

I think DX winning the titles was just a 'feather in the cap' that Shawn and Hunter wanted, and because their quite over with their kiddies in the audience.

But it's easy to see that the titles mean little to them ( I don't think DX even carries the titles around most of the time ). Their booked to care more about Hornswoggle than the titles. So putting them back on JeriShow wouldn't surprise me at all.

This isn't going to be a normal Raw after all, so the rare title change occurring wouldn't seem so crazy.

However, there is always the possibility that DX wins the match, but Bret Hart, in an effort to put a damper on the celebration, overrides HHH's 'And you'll be gone FOREVER' demand and 'drafts' Chris Jericho back to Raw.
That way DX still has the titles, but Jericho is STILL on Monday nights.

And then there's the possibility that JeriShow loses and there's no screwjob and Chris is finally 'banished' to SD. But as I said, if they were going to do this, I feel they would have already.

2.) Now Sidious, I'm sensing a serious apprehension for Chris Jericho. And that's fine. You're obviously free to like and dislike whoever you want to.

But don't let it completely cloud your judgment.

The reason the WWE is obsessed with having Chris Jericho on Raw is because he's a valuable person to have on whatever show he's on.

He's a durable, highly-skilled in-ring performer with superior mic skills and a well-developed persona. What's the downside with wanting him on your prime programming?

I'm also a bit confused on your conclusion that Chris Jericho isn't' a proven draw. Could you elaborate on this for me?

Because from what I've seen, the guy has proven that he can hold the audience's interest when he's in front of them.

From what I've observed over the span of his career that I've watched ( which is WCW-era and after), he's got a sizable fanbase; was quite over as as face and had one of the best heel turns of the decade last year.

He's one of the best people in the company when it comes to drawing heat from the crowd, whether he's a heel or face.

I personally know plenty of people who go the live shows because they want to see Chris Jericho, and who watch or have watched WWE partly because Jericho is entertaining to them.

So unless you're 'Chris Jericho can't draw' statement is based on some sort of dubious meta-analysis of the ratings or ppv buys, I'm not seeing where your conclusion is based.

Moving on, admittedly, his extended vocabulary shtick can become repetitive at times, but it's not as though he's the only person who has overdone a catchpharse or two in the business.

The advantage of doing that is that he becomes so much who you are, they people identify it is yours whether it's fair or not.

I remember an episode of Impact a couple of months ago where AJ Styles said that he was "the best in the world at what he does" and practically every post-show analysis I saw claimed he was 'channeling Chris Jericho'.

Ironically, the crux of his character is that he's not out to entertain the fans anymore because they didn't appreciate him enough when he was trying so hard to do it ( how hilariously self-referential ). Even if you personally don't like him calling people 'parasites' and 'drones' over and over, as long as he keeps getting heat for it, it's probably not going to stop. So you might just have to personally change the channel if it bothers you so much.

Anyway, I agree with you that the WWE has been indecisive in their 'kicking Jericho off of Raw' storyline.
I also agree that he's not 'needed' on Raw, but only in the strictest sense.
The only person the WWE 'needs' on any show John Cena, because he's their ultimate merch-selling babyface.

However, I think this all stems from the creative team trying to rectify Jericho being drafted to SD, when they still view Raw as their 'flagship' show.

While I would prefer for him to be in the World Title hunt on SD above anything else, they could be aiming to have Jericho involved with the Bret Hart storyline as a Canadian ally in his assumed feud with HBK ( and by association HHH), and postponing him being in the title hunt until they know Edge is coming back for sure. Whatever they do, I hope Chris has a World Title reign at some point next year.

 

[dannybhoy]

A reason he may be needed on raw is the fact of the low numbers. excluding commontators, announcers and divas as they cant fight for heavyweight titles. there is 18 on raw and 26 on smackdown.

as jericho is as good as he is, he can do more roles, he counts as maybe 3 or 4 smackdown guys who dont get a look in. now sheamus has moved into main event scene, then now its smackdowns turn to push more guys through, like punk, morrison, matt hardy and the hart dynasty, it makes them needing to step up to the plate, We all wanted new talent pushed maybe this is the transition period for that to happen, they need big names for WM26

lets get ready for some more new main eventers (granted punk has been there already)

 

[WhyTravisFelt]

It's hard to speak much on the post since it comes off as being so hateful of Chris Jericho. It's almost mind-blowing to me personally to read someone calling Chris Jericho overrated; yeah, maybe in a "Jimi Hendrix playing guitar" kind of overrated. Fact: Chris Jericho can out-perform anybody in the WWE, can make anybody look good in a match, and is the best stick man they have at the moment. What would RAW be without Jericho? Midget jokes, penis jokes, increasingly irrelevant guest hosts (Timbaland?), John Cena doing his same Superman routine, and, last but not least, two or three five minute long bad wrestling matches. I'd probably stop watching the show altogether without Y2J; it's hard enough to watch it as it is.