Chavo Guerrero in Rumble = E.C.W. gets NO respect?

[Nj Fan 04]

Winning the Royal Rumble means you get to be in the main event at Wrestlemania against any of the three champs. But last night, Chavo Guerrero, the ECW Champ, was in the Royal Rumble Match. For some reason, for me, the seems like they are saying he gets a chance to win a real World Title, not the little toy to gave to him to have some fun with. WWE basically admitted that the ECW title is not on the same level as the other two belts.

Thought?

 

[supremegmn86]

I thought that was completely disrespectful to ECW. Granted that show sucks (hopefully kofi kingston changes that) but respect is respect. You don't make the third most prestiguous belt you have look like a friggin toy. how can WWE build credibilty to ECW being it's own show if their top star
(*sigh* chavo) is in the rumble to win the other titles??? Whose fuckin idea was that??

 

[greenpunk101]

thats exactly what i thought tbh. i dont think it is as high as the other 2 main titles but this is basically ruining the credibility of the whole roster. its just not right =[

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I don't think that means anything. I think you're blowing the situation out of order. Chavo Guerrero was in the Royal Rumble for 2 reasons.

1. To continue his rivalry with C.M. Punk (you'd know that, if you paid attention)
2. Because they didn't have any other wrestlers to fill the spot, that they believed could be deserving of a possible Raw or Smackdown World Championship match.

For Chavo to be entered into the Royal Rumble, wasn't saying the E.C.W. Championship isn't a Heavyweight Championship.. its saying that due to the fact he didn't have a regular match, he could have an opportunity to become a duel Heavyweight Champion.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

I agree with the fact that chavo shouldnt of been in the rumble, but i disagree with the fact that the wwe doesnt care about the ecw belt, i feel that it may have been an error in judgement on there part

Will does snitsky deserve a spot coz to me i think that anyone deserving could have taken the spot including kofi kingston, stevie richards, brian kendrick, anyone from smackdown, i do not however believe that chavo should of been there at all, he could of continued his feud with punk just by mere distraction alone

 

[mpickstock]

I don't think that means anything. I think you're blowing the situation out of order. Chavo Guerrero was in the Royal Rumble for 2 reasons.

1. To continue his rivalry with C.M. Punk (you'd know that, if you paid attention)
2. Because they didn't have any other wrestlers to fill the spot, that they believed could be deserving of a possible Raw or Smackdown World Championship match.

For Chavo to be entered into the Royal Rumble, wasn't saying the E.C.W. Championship isn't a Heavyweight Championship.. its saying that due to the fact he didn't have a regular match, he could have an opportunity to become a duel Heavyweight Champion.

I disagree with you completely.

In fact I completely agree with the above guys that WWE has basically said the ECW Title means squat. Let's look at the facts of the downward trend of the ECW Title in recent months.

1. Instead of being headlined with the other two World Titles, ECW was usually curtain jerking or the second match on the card when it came to PPVs for most of the latter part of the yer.

2. Armageddon didn't even feature an ECW Title Match. Instead it had a rinky dink tag team match thrown on the card at the last minute. This match would go on to make even lesser sense when Big Daddy V pinned CM Punk. Instead of having Big Daddy V announce his intentions to challenge Punk for the title (which would have been the logical thing to do since even in their previous matches Punk never pinned V), V abandoned ECW to feud with Undertaker on Smackdown. I read this as "Big Daddy V doesn't even want the ECW Title"

3. Instead of saving the ECW Title Match to take place at the Rumble they gave it away on Free TV. This was the first ECW Title Match in months that had some build to it and they didn't even put it on Pay Per View!!! Granted the build to it was weak but it still had build...

4. Your argument that there were no other prospects to toss into the Rumble match is pretty weak as well. In fact I think WWE dropped the ball on what could have been an added storyline to the Rumble. Instead of Chavo and Punk in the Rumble, the Edgeheads should have been there. Vickie Guerrero could have used her power as GM to put those two in the Rumble. Edge would be coaching them for weeks leading up to it. He would tell them their sole purpose was to take out Taker and Batista. It's been done before yes, but it could have worked.

And it all doesn't help that for weeks leading up to the Rumble the Raw and Smackdown announcers hyped that the winner would get to face their choice of the 2 World Champions. Only Styles & Tazz ever hyped the fact that the Rumble winner could challenge for the ECW Title.

And let's face it. When John Cena enters the Raw ring tonight to choose which title he will challenge for at Wrestle Mania, I half expect to see Edge & Orton out there with him, but Chavo? I doubt he will be there, because when you look at it he just doesn't belong in there with the others. Sorry, it's just my opinion.

To be honest when I sit down and look at it, since the Smackdown - ECW Talent Trade began, the ECW Title has practically replaced the Cruiserweight Title on Smackdown. The more I think of it, the ECW Title has become nothing more than WWE's version of the WCW TV Title or perhaps even TNA's X Title on a lesser scale.

Thoughts?

*** I apologize in advance for possibly stepping out of line in my very first post on these forums. Any offence taken was not intended. ***

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I agree with the fact that chavo shouldnt of been in the rumble, but i disagree with the fact that the wwe doesnt care about the ecw belt, i feel that it may have been an error in judgement on there part

Will does snitsky deserve a spot coz to me i think that anyone deserving could have taken the spot including kofi kingston, stevie richards, brian kendrick, anyone from smackdown, i do not however believe that chavo should of been there at all, he could of continued his feud with punk just by mere distraction alone

The Royal Rumble line-up was as follows. From order of entry..

Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Santino Marella, The Great Khali, Hardcore Holly, John Morrison, Tommy Dreamer, Batista, Hornswoggle, Chuck Palumbo, Jamie Noble, C.M. Punk, Cody Rhodes, Umaga, Snitsky, The Miz, Shelton Benjamin, Superfly Jimmy Snuka, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Kane, Carlito, Mick Foley, Mr. Kennedy, Big Daddy V, Mark Henry, Chavo Guerrero, Finlay, Elijah Burke, Triple H. and John Cena.

The bolded names are those who honestly DO NOT deserve a World Heavyweight Championship match.. until they work more for it.

Those that have underlines under their names are purely gimmick, and only a filler.

To me, Snitsky doesn't deserve a World Championship to wear, but he does deserve a shot at the title.. if only so his gimmick can get more over. They want to build him, like Mark Henry & Big V.. to be monsters. Snitsky could slightly be similar to Umaga.. a destructive force.

The fact is, Charlie Haas, Kofi Kingston, or anyone else you named could've and should've had the spot over Hornswoggle, Piper & Snuka.. because out of those three, Hornswoggle had the greatest chance for a fluke upset.. and had they of actually done that, they would've completely ruined the legacy of the Royal Rumble by treating it as a joke.

But to say Snitsky didn't deserve to be in the Rumble, yet guys like Snuka, Piper, or Hornswoggle did.. is basically disrespecting Snitsky as a whole.. and while he isn't anywhere near great, and barely reaches good.. he's not horrible.

 

[Slim Pickns]

First of all NJ must write for Wrestlezone because this thread name was more misleading than their headlines.

Chavo being in the Rumble wasn't WWE admiting that they don't give a crap about ECW. I think they care far less about it than RAW and Smackdown, but they wouldn't say that they don't care at all. He at least lasted a respectable amount and was eliminated by the winner so its not like he came out looking weak.

I agree with Will that they were probably more concerned with continuing the Punk fued than they were with people thinking the ECW title means nothing.

 

[mpickstock]

Chavo being in the Rumble wasn't WWE admiting that they don't give a crap about ECW. I think they care far less about it than RAW and Smackdown, but they wouldn't say that they don't care at all. He at least lasted a respectable amount and was eliminated by the winner so its not like he came out looking weak.

I agree with Will that they were probably more concerned with continuing the Punk fued than they were with people thinking the ECW title means nothing.

First off, Chavo was tossed out of the Rumble by the eventual winner.... The problem was the ease at which he was tossed out that hurts his position.

As for the continuation of the feud argument. That is easily solved by a run in or distraction as someone else mentioned above.

Instead of Chavo in the Rumble, why not just throw Colin Delaney or Kofi Kingston in? Jeez, there are so many options....

And BigWill, just because someone is in the Rumble doesn't mean the WWE thinks they "deserve a Championship Match". In 2001, Drew Carey entered the Rumble. Do you think he was honestly being considered for a title match?! Each year the WWE adds "jobber fodder" to the Rumble Match. Honestly did anyone think that the likes of Miz, Palumbo, Santino or Cody Rhodes had a hope in hell of winning?!

When Chavo's music hit last night, it sounded pretty similar to that of the final nails being driven into ECW's coffin. A year ago they had a Champion who was heading into one of the highest promoted matches at Wrestle Mania. This year they have a Champion who could do no better than the Cruiserweight Belt several months ago....

 

[Rusty]

When I heard Chavos music in the Royal Rumble match I thought WTF Chavo is the ECW champ... why is he in the rumble for??

That to me just proves that WWE dnt see the ECW title in the same league as the WWE and World Heavyweight Championships.

There were soo many others that could have filled Chavos spot in the rumble. Kendrick, Regal, Hacksaw, Super Crazy to name a few. Ok so people are saying that Chavo was there so he could continue his feud with Punk. Instead they could have made Chavo run in and eliminated Punk, that would have definately been the better option to continue their feud.

I think having Chavo as the champ in the first place proves that the WWE dont give a damn about ECW or its belt. But him entering the rumble was the last straw for me.... I finally woken up and realized the WWE dont care about ECW. Im still going to watch ECW but that belt needs more credibility. Damn u B***it.

 

[BDOG]

I agree with 99% of the people on here, WWE could of easily continued the CM Punk Chavo fued easily without Chavo being involved in the actual match, he could of interferred and thrown Punk out (ala Brock Lesnar F5 on Goldberg from 04) or even have Punk in Mysterio's corner than have Chavo take him out befor ethe rumble match thus shattering his dreams, and to top it off did chavo even come out with the belt on?!? i think its time to rebuild raw and smackdown not continue the colin delaney squash show.... and i still dont understand why they keep proclaiming that the winner can choose to face wwe champion, world champion or ecw champion.. i mean cmon is john cena really gonna face the 'crusierweight' chavo guerrero?? thatll sell tickets

 

[Slyfox696]

I disagree with you completely.

In fact I completely agree with the above guys that WWE has basically said the ECW Title means squat. Let's look at the facts of the downward trend of the ECW Title in recent months.

1. Instead of being headlined with the other two World Titles, ECW was usually curtain jerking or the second match on the card when it came to PPVs for most of the latter part of the yer.

That's because nobody cares about ECW. And I'm not talking about the WWE, I'm talking about the fans. When a TV show drops from a 2.5 rating down to ratings below TNA Impact (which airs on a very strong TV night, which means stiff competition), then obviously fans don't want to watch it. At least they finally got the belt off Punk. Maybe that'll help ratings some.

3. Instead of saving the ECW Title Match to take place at the Rumble they gave it away on Free TV. This was the first ECW Title Match in months that had some build to it and they didn't even put it on Pay Per View!!! Granted the build to it was weak but it still had build...

That's because the ECW show needed something to help draw ratings, since the ratings are so pitiful. And their last two champions haven't been worthy of getting title matches on a PPV. That's not the WWE's fault, that's Punk and Chavo's fault. Well, mostly Punk since Chavo just won it.

To be honest when I sit down and look at it, since the Smackdown - ECW Talent Trade began, the ECW Title has practically replaced the Cruiserweight Title on Smackdown. The more I think of it, the ECW Title has become nothing more than WWE's version of the WCW TV Title or perhaps even TNA's X Title on a lesser scale.

That's because Punk was a terrible champion and nobody cared about him.

Once again proving that smarks don't understand half of what they think they do.

For Chavo to be entered into the Royal Rumble, ...he could have an opportunity to become a duel Heavyweight Champion.

Bingo.

 

[Rated K for Kennedy... Kennedy!]

Seriously the only reason I watch ECW is CM Punk, and now Benjamin, he's innovative and unique and thats what I like, for the life of me I can't rationalise Punk dropping the belt to a man he's beaten reapeatadly, then beat him for a rumble spot, only to have Chavo enter anyway and eliminate him, someone explain.

P.S. Punk was really good in the rumble, as was Morrison.

 

[Nj Fan 04]

I hear people who disagree with me saying the Chavo could have become a duel champ. Does anyone believe that Orton or Edge, or any WWE/World Heavyweight champ for that matter, would be in the Rumble?

 

[CenaSucker&OrtonFucker]

I personally think ECW was the best booked show last year. I've always known Vince doesn't think highly of ECW. He just wants people to open their wallets. ECW has a great roster of talent though.

Chavo Guerrero - ECW champion
CM Punk
John Morrison
Elijah Burke
Tommy Dreamer
Stevie Richards
The Miz
Kofi Kingston
Balls Mahoney
Shelton Benjamin
Matt Striker
Big Daddy V
The Boogeyman
Kevin Thorn
Colin Delaney
Mike Knox (i think he's still there)

They could definately use a few more guys on the show. It's still not as bad as people say it is. I've seen both versions of ECW. It's a good show for making stars of tomorrow.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

I personally think ECW was the best booked show last year. I've always known Vince doesn't think highly of ECW. He just wants people to open their wallets. ECW has a great roster of talent though.

Chavo Guerrero - ECW champion
CM Punk
John Morrison
Elijah Burke
Tommy Dreamer
Stevie Richards
The Miz
Kofi Kingston
Balls Mahoney
Shelton Benjamin
Matt Striker
Big Daddy V
The Boogeyman
Kevin Thorn
Colin Delaney
Mike Knox (i think he's still there)

They could definately use a few more guys on the show. It's still not as bad as people say it is. I've seen both versions of ECW. It's a good show for making stars of tomorrow.

Finally someone understands what ECW is all about, ECW is about making stars of tomorrow and giving people who have been stuck in mid card hell a chance to shine and thats what ECW was about when paul heyman was runing things to the WWE owned ECW, the reason why people dislike it soo much is because its not hardcore based anymore.

Originally Posted by Slyfox696

That's because nobody cares about ECW. And I'm not talking about the WWE, I'm talking about the fans. When a TV show drops from a 2.5 rating down to ratings below TNA Impact (which airs on a very strong TV night, which means stiff competition), then obviously fans don't want to watch it. At least they finally got the belt off Punk. Maybe that'll help ratings some.

Everyone talks about TNA's solid ratings but the truth is ECW is a one hour show and TNA Impact is a two hour show so for that reason alone TNA should be pushing RAW numbers!, as for ECW its on the up and up, the reason alot of old ECW fans have shunned the product is because it is not hardcore wrestling and the thing is it never was it was more about competition and building stars that nobody wanted and using styles that most organisations never cared for or where scared to use, simple fact!

Originally Posted by Slyfox696 That's because Punk was a terrible champion and nobody cared about him.

I strongly disagree, ECW products have been built around Punk, and during the WWE's whole benoit/steroid scandal who was the WWE'S golden child?, it was CM Punk of course, people dig his image and love his style, check shop zone and see his items if you see ECW you will see Punk merchandise!,its not punk that people dont care about, they dont care about ECW as a main event level brand thats the problem and its one of the strongest of the three brands since late 2007, the reason why the belt needed to go to chavo is because there has been no credible heel contenders to punk so i hope this helps him elevate himself to more of a main event level contender

 

[mr zbow]

I dont think the ECW title is in the same league as the WH or WWE titles. The only good ECW champion (not in the original ECW) was RVD. Lashley was alright CM Punk was reasonable and Big Show was alright. but then you look at the other previous champions. John Morrison came from RAW (where he was considered an upper mid-carder) and took a jump in 1 match to being world champ. Vince Mcmahons title reign was completely BS. Chavo Guerrero in a few short weeks went from a lower midcarder to a world champion. Then you look at some of the challengers for the title. Elijah Burke, the Miz, Big Daddy V (Viscera). all of those guys made the jump from lower midcarders and/or jobbers to main-event status all in a few short weeks. I think the ECW championship is more like an intercontinental championship or a US title because it certainly isn't equal to the WH/WWE titles.

 

[Total Impact]

Vince cares about ECW, because at the end of the day it's his money he's spending to keep ECW running. The thing about why ECW isn't working the eyes so some is not bad storylines or bad wrestling as ECW doesn't have many storylines and the wrestling good. The thing that has everyone hating ECW is that they expected hardcore matches everyweek, foul language, Tits and Ass, blood, barbwire and all the other stunt work of the old ECW.

But vince knows that you can have those things like Hardocore bloody matches everyweek on Tuesday and expect the ECW crew to wrestle a full week of shows,its not good for money. The old ECW ran shows a few times in a month, so you can have the hardcore matches and still be able to go if you have a week to rest up after a brutal match, but you can't do that in the WWE as you wrestle on tuesday, wednesday and so on.

Vince jumped the gun when the ECW dvd sold so well and thought if he brought it back as a brand it would be a hit and it was at first couple of weeks with the hardcore type matches and Heyman running thins, but vince found out you can't have these guys do stupuid things in the ring everynight, if they get hurt, bad for business. So Vince toned down ECW and made a basic brand of the WWE. The ratings aren't the best, but the WWE is getting by with it ok and ECW makes the WWE money and its a good way to get TV for some the wrestlers who need TV and I think Vince likes it that way better.

The Raw/Smackdown brand extension wasn't great at first and still isn't the best, but we are used to it. So soon, everyone will just get used to ECW. Srue ECW will never be looked as anything legit, but Vince just needed a cool name to bring fans in and I don't think everyone would jumped up to see Tuesday Night Nitro!

If you want to see the old ECW, just look up videos on youtube, or watch WWE 24/7 because the old ECW is dead. And I'm for one to say that if the old ECW was as great as everyone said it was, then it would still be around today without Vince! The old ECW fan only represent a small portion of the wrestling world. That is why other extreme/hardcore promotions haven't hit it big and never will as the wrestling that everyone loves is the one vince gives, thats why TNA is still going on copying the WWE style. ECW is just going to stay the way it is as Vince likes it, a brand to give wrestlers who Vince think he could market big one day, a place to shine in a national light.

 

[Phreek]

After Morrison won the ECW title, I thought it was obvious that Vince didn't care about ECW. They were getting ready to send Benoit over there to bring some credibility to the title. But after he went nuts, it was almost as if the WWE just said "Oh, well. Screw it." Then quit trying.

As for what they should've done at the Rumble, give Punk his return match, and have him lose. Then put Kofi Kingston in the actual Royal Rumble and have him eliminate a crazy amount of guys or just a few people that are extremely over to establish that he's the real deal.

That's just my thoughts though.

 

[TheGreatMurphy]

I agree with people saying Vince doesn't care about ECW, I mean the man spends more time on Smackdown than ECW, Could it be the end of ECWWE as far championships go. I read a post before stating several names that could be champ or via for the championship, IMO Kofi Kingston could be a credible champ, but NOT ECW champ yet, possibly if a new belt were introduced (Old Cruiserweight belt or European or even the old ECW TV title) he could be prepared for a run with the main title

 

[agentm005]

I really don't know what it is about ECW, but lately, it seems to be just falling apart...Chavo as champion? C'mon, now. Every time I see Chavo, all I can think about is when he came to the ring in Mysterio's attire and tried the 619, only to fall on his ass outside the ring (and I still can't figure out if it was on accident or planned for comic relief). But now, I'm supposed to take him seriously as the ECW champion? I don't think so. I remember a time when the ECW champion was a believable champion...RVD, Bobby Lashley, the Big Show...When you put all three champions from all three brands in the ring and allow the Rumble winner to take his pick at who he wants to face, I believe the Rumble Winner would have the fight of his life against all three champions, including the ECW champ (while it was guys like RVD, Lashley, and Big Show holding the title). Now, it's Randy Orton, Edge, and...Chavo? I would have a difficult time believing that the Rumble winner would have a good fight against Punk if he was champion. Now, that isn't Punk's fault. It is the fact that he has to face guys like Chavo for his title belt.

Basically, add some legitimacy to the ECW belt. Make me believe that the ECW champion would be capable of beating the WWE champ and WHC. When guys like RVD, Big Show, and Lashley held the belt, I believed they could beat the other two champions...Not so much with the past few ECW champions. I say give the belt to someone who could defeat the other champions...Give it to Kane, Mark Henry, Big Daddy V, or someone who could add some legitimacy to the belt.

I strongly believe that if Angle never left for TNA, Big Show didn't opt to "retire," RVD signed a new contract, and the Benoit tragedy never happened, ECW would be a much different show today...A show that was taken seriously by everyone, along with it's champion.

 

[lionheart01]

This was the ultimate insult to ECW, and they didnt even need chavo to be in it.

wwe has so much talent that they could have put in besides chavo but its like they wanted to show everyone how little the ECW title means

 

[Danmen001]

Every time I see Chavo, all I can think about is when he came to the ring in Mysterio's attire and tried the 619, only to fall on his ass outside the ring (and I still can't figure out if it was on accident or planned for comic relief).

I am pretty sure it was for comic relief, at least at the time, but no you got me thinking about it.

There are much better ppl out there than Chavo though, I am REALLY hoping to see Kofi Kingston get in there fairly quickly, I mean he can really wrestle and put on a great match (even of he has nobodies jobbing out to him).

Chavo is really a joke, and for me I can't even fully grasp C. M. Punk to be a legit contender. And Dreamer is obviously out of the picture. Once Kofi Kingston becomes contender (whcih looks like it won't be TOO long), I may actually choose to watch ECW more.

 

[klunderbunker]

Chavo being in the Rumble just made me scratch my head. Jeff and MVP weren't in the rumble, so therefore their titles are bigger than the ECW title? ECW has always been treated like the minor leagues, and sadly I think it's so Vince can destroy the ECW name once and for all. By putting him in the Rumble, Chavo is made to look like about as powerful as Viko Batomango, the Ethopian heavyweight champion who was on smackdown about a year ago. Granted it's not Chavo's fault, as there's only one face on the roster for him to feud with, but he just doesn't fit the role as a world champion.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

Chavo being in the Rumble just made me scratch my head. Jeff and MVP weren't in the rumble, so therefore their titles are bigger than the ECW title? ECW has always been treated like the minor leagues, and sadly I think it's so Vince can destroy the ECW name once and for all. By putting him in the Rumble, Chavo is made to look like about as powerful as Viko Batomango, the Ethopian heavyweight champion who was on smackdown about a year ago. Granted it's not Chavo's fault, as there's only one face on the roster for him to feud with, but he just doesn't fit the role as a world champion.

Ok Simple fact here, WWE does care about ecw and here are the reasonsons

the brand is making the company money due to advertising sales and the money the company gets from scifi to air the product

ECW Merchandise is still a hot seller

WWE is now airing ECW IN HD

Chavo went over punk cleanly solidifying him as a top heel and not a fluke who wanted the belt

ECW has top quality matches you cant even compare raw with its no existant matches and squashes to the brand of extreme

So if you think the wwe doesnt care about ecw you would be surley wrong, the company cares because its a money earner and by the way TNA fans its financially viable compared to the TNA product ouch!!!