Charlotte is starting to look like the lamest Women's Champion ever.

[LascoX]

So here we go again , Charolete can't win a big match without help. This is seriously getting old! Personally I was in Nattys camp for this match but I would have taken a clean win after a hard fought match over what WWE fed the universe tonight. I get that this is setting up a Hart - Brooks feud but this is really starting to make Charolete look lame!
Granted that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Rick was the dirtiest player in the game. He had more lame predictable wins over opponents than any wrestler I know. What comes next , Charolete just walking away from the match like Flair did so many times.
Tonight was a perfect night for Charolette to get some respectability on her own and WWE screws the pooch yet again. I like Charolette, I think she has good skills and makes a great heel but this routine is really old. Personally if this is the best that WWE can do with her then I would rather see her drop the belt and give it to someone else, anyone else.
I personally have liked what the WWE has been doing with the general product as of late but what they are doing with Charolette PPV after PPV is total BS. What's everyone else's thoughts?

 

[Navi]

I liked Charlotte in NXT and thought she was a half decent wrestler, but I do agree these shenanigans are better a bit stale. Heels use dirty tactics to win but the same tactic over and over again, yea don't buying what she's selling now.

 

[WhatAboutRaven]

Stale, maybe.

Lame? Eeeeeeh, debatable, but maybe.

Lamest ever, not by a country mile. Charlotte's routine PPV after PPV does need some definite variety. People do tend to forget it's okay on occasion for heels to get clean wins to remind people holy shit, this person is on top for a reason, if you remember some of the people who have held the title of women's champion, Charlotte doesn't even make my personal list of lamest champions.

Think what you may about Charlotte, but I find her to be 10x the champion that, just off the top of my head, Candice Michelle was. Or Stephanie, or Melina.

 

[World Class Mark]

They're booking Charlotte like a territory heel champion (see: her Dad in the 80s), but the problem is that it doesn't work in 2016. I think the Women's Division is going through growing pains (the ladies need 3 segments per show to really develop everyone and not just the champion). Hopefully the writers will figure it out.






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[Hyorinmaru]

I thought she was Lame when she became Ric Jr. I don't like her at all and firmly believe that when her father gets written off TV and she loses the title she's going to fall hard.

She needs her own character away from her father to show she deserves to hold that belt because right now she may not be the worst women's champion in history but she's pretty shit.

 

[WrasslinPittsburgh]

they are turning her run into seth rollins run from last year. chicken shit heel tactics

 

[The Samoan Heritage]

I will admit that not too long ago I was in camp "she need to shed Ric AND find her own Identity", but I think she's done great so far. I will even go as far as to say that she's head and shoulders above the rest.
Charlotte has been descent on the mic(better than most women) and when she's on the mic, she knows how to get a reaction/heat from the crowd. She's also amazingly gifted in the ring and I've been enjoying her matches as of late(well until the finish, but that still shouldn't take away from the overall match).
Also she's doing something no other 2nd generation superstar has(at least in recent memory), and that's succeed using the same/similar character as their dad.

I am perfectly fine with Charlotte keeping the character of Ric's, but she NEEDS to get rid of Ric Flair. The last champ just went through this same cycle, and Charlotte is way more talented than to ALWAYS have to resort to cheating.

 

[kadroan]

So here we go again , Charolete can't win a big match without help. This is seriously getting old! Personally I was in Nattys camp for this match but I would have taken a clean win after a hard fought match over what WWE fed the universe tonight. I get that this is setting up a Hart - Brooks feud but this is really starting to make Charolete look lame!
Granted that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Rick was the dirtiest player in the game. He had more lame predictable wins over opponents than any wrestler I know. What comes next , Charolete just walking away from the match like Flair did so many times.
Tonight was a perfect night for Charolette to get some respectability on her own and WWE screws the pooch yet again. I like Charolette, I think she has good skills and makes a great heel but this routine is really old. Personally if this is the best that WWE can do with her then I would rather see her drop the belt and give it to someone else, anyone else.
I personally have liked what the WWE has been doing with the general product as of late but what they are doing with Charolette PPV after PPV is total BS. What's everyone else's thoughts?

I knew Charlotte was going to win regardless and Natayla was just a fill-in opponent.

It's early. It's so many different angles they could approach this storyline:
-Natayla/Becky vs. Charlotte/Brooke
-Natayla vs. Charlotte/Brooke
Charlotte vs. Brooke

All I can say is they're making beating Charlotte hard to beat. Whoever beats her (Sasha) is going to need some help too to beat her. My thing is Charlotte's long reign may hurt her. 6+ months, there's nobody really left for her to face until she gets her one on one with Sasha besides Naomi.

 

[Jeff Deliverer of Mail]

Two PPVs in a row with a really, really crappy Woman's Wrestling match. With everything the WWE is doing to try and push the Woman's Division, these are two, stinking steps backwards in my opinion. It's just lazy ass writing. Charlotte vs Natalya have had way better matches than the last two matches. It looks like we are going back to a long snack break when a woman's wrestling match comes on..(sad to say, but true).

 

[Psykohurricane55]

That's the problem with fans in 2016, they watch wrestlig more for the in ring performance then the character aspect of it and that's why a lot of wrestlers have to retired at a young age. When somebody does a old school heel character like charlotte is doing or even seth rollins last year, they all go and think it's lame and they should be changing the personna. Personally I love what charlotte is doing right now because when she will finally lose the belt, whoever beat her will be even more over for beating her.

Fans that think that charlotte character is lame should really go on the wwe network and watch some old wrestling from the 80's and early 90's. That's how real heels we're able to get heat and how fans we're reacting to them instead of the smart fans that will reject anything that isn't cool or anybody that can give them a 5 star match everytime the performers get in the ring. Charlotte is probably the best thing in the women division right now and I hope the wwe won't change her character because of what the smarks write on the internet.

 

[achromat666]

I think 'worst' and 'lamest' are unfair superlatives to use.

Yes, the heel tactics being used are getting old, but Charlotte is far from the first to fall victim to it. Seth Rollins' early heel run had nothing but interferences every match and that shit got old quickly. The difference here is that none of the people running interference for Rollins overshadowed him. The Miz had similar tactics during his run as Champ, JBL and so forth. Hell, people seem to forget this was their way of booking Nikki Bella's title reign for most of it's run (I have come to hate 'twin magic so very, very much). It's a time honored old school way to book heels.

The difference here is Ric Flair, and honestly lazy writing. Last night's match was great until the finish. The whole idea was truly making it one on one and forming yet another pointless alliance is what we get with Dana Brooke, who doesn't need to get sucked into the Charlotte/ Ric Flair dynamic.

This would be less of a frustration if we didn't get a screwjob finish with every finish, and emulating the Montreal Screwjob only made matters worse. When Seth is being written as heel that can do the job (during the end of his title run), he was at his best. Charlotte as a heel on NXT didn't need to rely on daddy and made herself a solid heel. Even Ric Flair in his heyday won matches on his own from time to time.

At some point they have to let her demonstrate that she can win a match on her own. Not the worst heel run, but far from the best when mired in nothing but screwjob finishes every match.

 

[laodaron]

Eh, she's just not that great, so they try to protect her by having run ins, and having a whole bunch of nonsense take place. She can't really do many moves well, and she's maybe the worst seller on the roster. The only way to protect her is to hide her reign inside of a bunch of shenanigans.

 

[Kizzani]

Oh boy ignorance is bliss with internet wrestling fans. Nattie has ZERO chance of winnning absolutely ZERO, Nattie is a old dog and her claim to fame is not wrestling, is not championships it is Hart and it starts and Ends there PERIOD!!

She is a vet and she has her talents, but they are beat severed by putting over the next gen of wrestlers. Just like the Dudley boys.

 

[Kodo Sawaki]

Could it be a better match? Sure.

Was it bad that it finished the way it was? Not necessarily.

We all knew what Charlotte gimmick is about and that it's her dad's gimmick all over again. It's hardly gona change that soon so she isn't gona start winning as some "monster heel" fashion. Natty will now seek partner to feud with Charlotte and Brooks so there is still feud material. Overall quality of matches is concerning. Expected more from both of them although with time they were given dont think it would be 5 star matches.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I simply don't understand why so many modern fans a dirt sheet writers complain when wrestling heels act like heels are supposed to. Heels are supposed to take the chicken shit way out, they're supposed to use underhanded tactics to gain the advantage, they're supposed to make babyface challengers look formidable while they look like cowardly dogs and most of them aren't supposed to come off as some badass who make Rambo and Dirty Fuckin' Harry look like newborn kittens.

I do agree that the screwjob ending at Payback was too much, it's just the sort of ending that just doesn't fit in a ppv title match. Last night wasn't too much at all, in my opinion, as what happened was nothing more than minor outside interference/distraction; had Dana Brooke gotten into the ring and helped beat Nattie down for about 5 minutes, I may have felt differently.

The lamest Women's Champion ever????? Charlotte isn't remotely close to being the "lamest" Women's Champion ever because she's arguably the first female champion in WWE history that actually matters. Women's wrestling in WWE didn't even register as a blip on the radar during the 80s or the mid 90s for that matter. During the Attitude Era, women in WWE were sexual objects and nothing more and that's a mind set that continued all through the 2000s and into the modern era up until about a year ago. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that women's wrestling is suddenly perfect on the main roster, it never will be "perfect" for that matter, but there are women on the main roster who have individual characters, are engaged in actual storyline feuds and wrestling in matches that are actually wrestling matches instead of 90 seconds of nonsense or pillow fights or lingerie matches.

 

[shooter_mcgavin]

We all knew what Charlotte gimmick is about and that it's her dad's gimmick all over again.

That's true Flair made a reputation as a heel stealing a win and escaping by the skin of his teeth. So she's being booked the same way as her father.

The problem is that Flair was 5'11 / 6 FT tall and is considered quite small for pro-wrestling standards and doesn't really have an athletic body. So as a heel him just escaping defeat fit his character well.

Charlotte is around 5'10 and is well built with an athletic look more so than Flair ever did. With her size and as a heel it doesn't suit her doing the same antics as her father. As a heel she probably fits more as a slightly less dominant Triple H or Randy Orton.

 

[Navi]

Oh boy ignorance is bliss with internet wrestling fans. Nattie has ZERO chance of winnning absolutely ZERO, Nattie is a old dog and her claim to fame is not wrestling, is not championships it is Hart and it starts and Ends there PERIOD!!

She is a vet and she has her talents, but they are beat severed by putting over the next gen of wrestlers. Just like the Dudley boys.

If you're going with that line of thought then shenanigans shouldn't work on her. With all her years of experience Nattie should be ready and able to take care of anything thrown at her, and sticking to the gameplan should be easy. In others words she should be expecting it, and only be surprised if something doesn't happen.

No one is taking anything away from Charlotte as a wrestler because she's damm good and getting better. It's just the ending to her matches are all the same, Flair will interfere and either get her disqualified or distract the ref so Charlotte gets the cheap shot in. I think that's what is putting me off, she is good enough to win without Flair there. And yes we all know she's a Flair, even if you where deaf, dumb and blind you would know that.

 

[Kodo Sawaki]

The problem is that Flair was 5'11 / 6 FT tall and is considered quite small for pro-wrestling standards and doesn't really have an athletic body. So as a heel him just escaping defeat fit his character well.

Charlotte is around 5'10 and is well built with an athletic look more so than Flair ever did. With her size and as a heel it doesn't suit her doing the same antics as her father. As a heel she probably fits more as a slightly less dominant Triple H or Randy Orton.

And both H and Orton were portrayed as somebody who needs outside interference to win even against "smaller" opponents.

I get what you are saying and agree that in the world where Sasha Banks is 5'5 Charlotte with her 5'10 and her athletics would be pretty good "monster heel" but WWE decided to try to put her over with her dad gimmick and her dad himself. And they partially succeeded in that because if you look at her when she became face Champion and after Ric went with her you could see progress in character and fans who accepted that rather then her cutting face promos or crying when Paige said "mean stuff about her brother".

Maybe another time they will try with "monster" stuff but for now we are stucked with this one. Unfortunatly for us who would like to see her more in some other role...

 

[LBGetBack]

So here we go again , Charolete can't win a big match without help. This is seriously getting old! Personally I was in Nattys camp for this match but I would have taken a clean win after a hard fought match over what WWE fed the universe tonight. I get that this is setting up a Hart - Brooks feud but this is really starting to make Charolete look lame!
Granted that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Rick was the dirtiest player in the game. He had more lame predictable wins over opponents than any wrestler I know. What comes next , Charolete just walking away from the match like Flair did so many times.
Tonight was a perfect night for Charolette to get some respectability on her own and WWE screws the pooch yet again. I like Charolette, I think she has good skills and makes a great heel but this routine is really old. Personally if this is the best that WWE can do with her then I would rather see her drop the belt and give it to someone else, anyone else.
I personally have liked what the WWE has been doing with the general product as of late but what they are doing with Charolette PPV after PPV is total BS. What's everyone else's thoughts?

I agree that they are completely overdoing it. Heels cheating and winning dirty is important....but you can't do it every match.

Especially because it really doesn't fit Charlotte. She is the most physically impressive woman on the roster. She's very athletic, strong, and has a nice moveset. It would fit her arrogant character to be a dominant champion, who on the rare occasions that she's not going to win easily chooses to cheat, rather than a cowardly champion who always cheats out of necessity.

 

[TJ Matics]

We saw these same arguments when Seth was being "over protected" by the Authority and company. I eventually grew tired of the interferences as I am now with Charlotte/Ric, but that doesn't leave a bad taste in my mouth on the reign as a whole.

If Rollins' run was as bad as it was perceived to be he wouldn't have had such a reaction last night. Yes you could make a case for distance making the heart grow fonder and Reigns could probably make anyone a face at this point, but I'll also add in that the reign wasn't as awful as it was made out to be at the time. I'm sure the big payoff for the chicken shit booking was coming before his untimely injury stopped things cold. Barring any injuries Charlotte should receive that big comeuppance.

And excuse me for stating the obvious but you're not supposed to like Charlotte and the way she's doing things, you're supposed to want the belt off her and for Ric to fall into a black hole somewhere (I know I do). Whoever can make this happen (Banks) should get a huge reaction for it.

Now just because I understand where that train of thought is coming from doesn't mean I'm completely on board. Like I said before I've grown tired of these shenanigans (thanks Navi) as well, this way of booking basically sells out the champion to build up the challenger; which I didn't think was needed for Charlotte after her heel turn. But it seems that if you're not a monster heel this is the best way creative knows how to sell a story, and with Charlotte being a Flair you just knew they'd milk this story to death.

 

[Azane]

I don't think it's lame, just stale, this is like 10 PPVs in a row where Ric Flair overshadows the ladies. It's making their whole division look like poo with a 70 year old man winning the title repeatedly.

It was fine the first few times, but we're almost to the year mark of Ric Flair being the Womans champion, with Charlotte holding onto it for him.

 

[wwe fan2009]

well they had Dana interfere to pair her with Charlotte due to Emma's injury. I wonder how the ending would have been if Emma did not get hurt.

 

[OYDK]

Came on here expecting to see this guy get roasted, to my surprise... a lot actually agree with him. All I'll say is, the hate for Charlotte strikes me as legitimate heel heat more than anything else. I have yet to see somebody actually give a good and plausible argument for why Charlotte sucks or should be considered the "lamest Women's Champion ever". Acting like a heel, and getting legit heel reactions out of everyone is not enough to convince me.

Is it really this easy to get worked in this day and age?

 

[Sean Valjean]

The mere suggestion that Charlotte is the lamest champion ever simply because she's being a heel when abysmal women like Kelly Kelly have been champion is ridiculous.

Charlotte's cheating tactics are indeed annoying, but they're not wrong. She's a villain. Villains cheat to win. Cheating is what makes them bad. She also happens to be the daughter of one of the biggest cheaters ever. It becomes tiresome, but that's ultimately the idea. When she inevitably loses the belt, it's going to be huge and immensely satisfying.

Charlotte is a very good wrestler. If she won all of her matches clean, we'd all be cheering and respecting her. That's not the response a heel should get. The fact that all of use want to see her and Ric marooned on an island somewhere means they're doing something right. You can call her an annoying chickenshit, but the lamest champion ever? Come on, now.

 

[Psykohurricane55]

No one is taking anything away from Charlotte as a wrestler because she's damm good and getting better. It's just the ending to her matches are all the same, Flair will interfere and either get her disqualified or distract the ref so Charlotte gets the cheap shot in. I think that's what is putting me off, she is good enough to win without Flair there. And yes we all know she's a Flair, even if you where deaf, dumb and blind you would know that.

But at the same time, that's what a heels should be doing especially somebody like charlotte. Yes the match was what it was and the ending was telegraph a mile away but in the end, she's playing a character that needs help to win a keep his championship just like her dad did in the 80's and so many others before her did before the attitude era came and ruin everything.

That's why i actually loved seth rollins run last year because is cowardly heels tactics where you knew somebody would come to help him out to save his championship but at the same time when somebody finally beats the guy for the championship, he's going to be super over because he beat the heel even with all the interference that happen during the match. Same theory goes with Charlotte, when somebody, probably sasha banks beats her for the title, it will mean something and she will be even more over because of this. The art of being a heel is a tricky one but modern fans seems to not be interesting by this anymore and they all want the cool heel that they can cheer for because he'S or she's a great wrestler and it sad because i had more fun back before the attitude era when heels were heels and did everything in their power to make you hate then and babyface were babyface, but that era's is over so if i want to watch this type of wrestling, i might as well go watch some on the wwe network.