Cena/Miz: Double Turn?

[Mantis]

The recent events in this feud have me thinking that this extremely rare occurrence is a possibility. Ever since The Rock showed up, John Cena has seemingly drawn more heat with each successive show. I know that he's always generated his share of boos, but on this past Raw, the "Cena sucks" chants were just as strong as "Let's go Cena". On the other hand, did you guys hear the pop that the Miz received when he came out to do commentary? I think he got one of the most positive receptions of the night (besides Edge).

If this continues, the creative team can't just ignore it and they will have to at least entertain the idea (if they haven't done so already) of pulling off the dreaded double turn. People have been calling for a Cena heel turn for years now. It hasn't happened yet because no one can fill in for him as the face of the WWE. The roster is heel-heavy right now, and Orton just isn't the draw that Cena is. However, like it or not, the Miz seems poised to become The Man. He's one of the hardest workers in the company right now and his successful title defense at Mania shows that the suits have his back. He also has some crossover appeal due to his extensive media appearances. I just question his ability to play as face as well as he does a heel.

If this does happen, people begging for change will finally get their wish and McMahon and the fans will still have a top guy. Besides the diehard Cena fans, everyone's happy right?

 

[Gary87]

I don't think The Miz will ever be able to play a full face role. He just has that weaselly personality that make you want to hurt him. Not to mention, he is JUST starting to get over as a heel champion, why screw that up?

 

[KoC417]

I don't think The Miz will ever be able to play a full face role. He just has that weaselly personality that make you want to hurt him. Not to mention, he is JUST starting to get over as a heel champion, why screw that up?

Not to compare Miz to a certain Legend. But do the terms LIE CHEAT and STEAL ring a bell? They sure do for me! I'd love to see Miz take on an Eddie type figure. I'm so sick of this super Cena garbage it's so stale and so pointless now. Hate to say it but I find myself become more and more of a Mizfit as the days go by. Just because I could actually believe/buy him as a credible face. He looks like he is enjoying himself, he's living his dream. Yes he may be a bit cocky and a bit weaselly but guess what.. that CAN work as a face (Eddie proved that). I'd honestly sit back and roll over laughing if Miz started using old school Eddie tactics to win matches against Cena. I think the crowd would really respond to it too. Get rid of Cena as a face. Yes he sells merchandise but at the expense of making it a stale product.

If you find some of my older posts you'll find me ripping on Miz every chance i had. There's just something about his persona that makes me want to cheer for him now. Can't quite put my finger totally on it.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

what's there to ignore? This is exactly what the WWE wanted. They WANT Cena to be cheered by kids, booed by adults and they WANT Miz to be booed by kid and cheered by adults. What's the purpose of a double turn?

 

[Mantis]

what's there to ignore? This is exactly what the WWE wanted. They WANT Cena to be cheered by kids, booed by adults and they WANT Miz to be booed by kid and cheered by adults. What's the purpose of a double turn?

I don't know if it's just me, but Cena heat and Miz pop seems to be getting stronger overall each week. Do they really want their golden boy to booed by half the crowd and their top heel getting one of the biggest pops of the night?

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

It's not getting stronger. It's maybe stronger than it was, but who cares. It's because the older audience is getting louder. The kids still love cena. If you turn him heel, then the adults will cheer cena, kids won't cheer miz, you can't turn him that fast.

plus, if you turn miz face, then the adults will boo him, and you're in essentially the same position.

Why on earth does everyone here think that someone needs to be 100 percent cheers or boos? It's not as interesting as a split audience, which is what WWE is CLEARLY building to, Miz as the voice of the IWC, Cena as the hero of children. Why ruin that? Because 20% of the audience boos Cena? Because some IWC guys who secretly want to cheer Cena because deep down they respect him but it's not cool to cheer the muscular corny white meat babyface? Those are bad reasons.

Stay the course and build Miz to get the opposite reaction. NEVER turn Cena heel if, for no other reason than to preserve Rock/Cena for what it is. Cena vs Rock, if you turn Cena heel then it's not really Cena/Rock because it's not the iconic Cena character that people will remember. It'll cheapen Rock/Cena.

 

[GameOver]

Disagree, it's Rock that drew the heat in my opinion, as much as i'm no Cena fan, The Rock was portaying a whining jerk/bitch
and is essentially lying to everyone, while at the same time using the catch phrases that got him over

Cena was just doing what he always does.

Miz is not gonna be face any time soon, he's just too anoying
Not like the cocky arrogant Rock that drew the crowds in.

and they've passed the Cena heel turn point for now.
maybe coming upto Mania but not atm.

I agree with TWJC they are split reactions. Miz speaks for the people that don't like Cena while Cena caters to the kids 50/50

 

[Danny84]

I have to agree with gary 87

icant see the miz turning face just wouldnt fit he has one of the faces you just want to slap
But i could still see cena going heel sometime this year not sure when but they will make sure they do it soon so it gets him over as a heel ready for wrestlemania next year

 

[berlinbrawler]

what's there to ignore? This is exactly what the WWE wanted. They WANT Cena to be cheered by kids, booed by adults and they WANT Miz to be booed by kid and cheered by adults. What's the purpose of a double turn?

They don't so much WANT that as much as it is a fact they have made peace with and learned to embrace. When this whole split-crowd thing started with Cena the creative team was in quite a desperate state for a long time before they even allowed Cena to acknowledge it on camera.


I do see the seeds for both turns - Cena is getting more heat every week, despite getting more and more goody two shoe-y all the time - what more motivation does he need to finally say SCREW YOU to the people?

Miz is getting a louder pop every week. True. Eventually they will have to figure out how to turn this guy face, despite his character being the most cowardly and weak jackass imaginable.

A double turn would be quite a challenge. These guy's aren't exactly Stone Cold and Bret Hart. Also, the Miz's heel run is far from over. Cena is more than ripe for a turn, but for the Miz it's way too early. He is not ready to be a hero and would fail miserably. He may get there eventually, just not now.

 

[Dwayne_Jason]

The recent events in this feud have me thinking that this extremely rare occurrence is a possibility. Ever since The Rock showed up, John Cena has seemingly drawn more heat with each successive show. I know that he's always generated his share of boos, but on this past Raw, the "Cena sucks" chants were just as strong as "Let's go Cena". On the other hand, did you guys hear the pop that the Miz received when he came out to do commentary? I think he got one of the most positive receptions of the night (besides Edge).

If this continues, the creative team can't just ignore it and they will have to at least entertain the idea (if they haven't done so already) of pulling off the dreaded double turn. People have been calling for a Cena heel turn for years now. It hasn't happened yet because no one can fill in for him as the face of the WWE. The roster is heel-heavy right now, and Orton just isn't the draw that Cena is. However, like it or not, the Miz seems poised to become The Man. He's one of the hardest workers in the company right now and his successful title defense at Mania shows that the suits have his back. He also has some crossover appeal due to his extensive media appearances. I just question his ability to play as face as well as he does a heel.

If this does happen, people begging for change will finally get their wish and McMahon and the fans will still have a top guy. Besides the diehard Cena fans, everyone's happy right?

You're missing the point, Miz gets cheers from us, and the adults of the wrestling community and not the kids. Cena is still their favorite superhero right now. The demographic is the children, the main reason for Cena's staleness is simple; the kids buy it. Once the kids stop buying it, they'll change it. The Miz is great, no doubt, but he's just getting over. He's just in that state of make it or break it (and I'm sure he'll make it) but Cena needs to be babyface until the kids are sick of him.

 

[Tired0FthePeople]

It's not getting stronger. It's maybe stronger than it was, but who cares. It's because the older audience is getting louder. The kids still love cena. If you turn him heel, then the adults will cheer cena, kids won't cheer miz, you can't turn him that fast.

plus, if you turn miz face, then the adults will boo him, and you're in essentially the same position.

I dont understand. If I dont like John Cena, why would I cheer him if he turns heel? I do not cheer Cena and have never cheered Cena so why would I cheer him if he actually turns heel and heels are supposed to be booed. Do you honestly think as much as I boo Cena now that if he were a heel and won the title Id actually cheer him?? Id boo and hate that shit even more.

And if I cheer Miz right now why would I boo him just because he becomes a face? That also doesnt make sense to me. The only thing that makes sense is that kids wont cheer face Miz because he doesnt appeal the way face Cena does. But there is something to be said because at first Miz had absolutely NO audible cheers. I want to see if this continues in other arenas before I put any stock in it though.
But I dont get why people would change their cheers and boos of someone they dont even like just because they turn heel I mean Im not the typical IWC guy so maybe you are saying this is how stupid or fickle the IWC is but to me this just doesnt make sense.

 

[billm75]

People need to let this go. Cena isn't turning heel anytime soon. He's the poster child for the WWE, the most requested superstar by Make a Wish and is seen as THE Superstar on the roster by most casual fans. IWC not withstanding.

Sorry guys, Cena will be Cena for a long time to come. All they have to do to keep me happy is to keep the title off of him. I hate when he has the title, always have, but without it, it seems he's a little more free to do things that are somewhat entertaining. With the belt, christ, "The Champ is Here!" I will defend this title, blah freakin' blah.

Miz turning face? not anytime soon either. People are finally starting to take to him and accept him. They can tweak his character, start making him a little more physical in the ring and let him go on with being awesome on the mic. He could be the closest thing to a Rowdy Roddy character we're going to see for a long time.

 

[MJS]

I agree with a lot of people here,Miz just couldnt be the top face of the company,at least not for a while yet.

Cena does work as a heel,but yeah,the kids would probably still cheer for him anyway.And the adults may like him more if hes no longer super Cena but they will soon get bored of it.Somebody already said it best,if you do a double turn,you will essentially end up with the same situation as now but in reverse.

I think if things carry on,the Cena heat will die down at least a little.Rock was the catalyst for about 80% of this hard Cena heat right now.Sure he was getting boo's anyway,but not anything like this.But since Rock is a stupid little lying weasel and we might see him what,twice more before the road to Mania 28,people will soon forget I think.

 

[berlinbrawler]

I dont understand. If I dont like John Cena, why would I cheer him if he turns heel? I do not cheer Cena and have never cheered Cena so why would I cheer him if he actually turns heel and heels are supposed to be booed. Do you honestly think as much as I boo Cena now that if he were a heel and won the title Id actually cheer him?? Id boo and hate that shit even more.

The psychology gets weird at that point, I admit. I hate Cena right now, but a heel turn could change that for me. I am beyond siding with good guys or bad guys for many years now. But a heel turn would mean Cena coming up with some fresh material. It would free him from all this shameless pandering to the crowd, the troops, etc. and basically unleash him. He could go from being stale as last week's ale to being exciting must-see TV.

Remember when the Rock got booed a couple of years back? The people were sick and tired of his repetitive shtick. He turned heel and the result was one of his best runs ever. (The Rock Concert and the Rock Appreciation Night come to mind.) It didn't take long and the crowd had a hard time hating him again. Cena's turn could be bigger than the Rock's, though. It would be the biggest since Hulk Hogan's. (I am by no means saying that Cena is bigger than the Rock - just that his heel turn would have a bigger impact than Rock's did.)

 

[DeathClutch]

The Miz is kind of like 1998 Rock, it's cool to cheer for him even thou he's a heel, most heels are loathed but Miz is one them that you seem to get behind when he's on the mic yet they'll boo him loud yet he'll do something and they'll pop.

BUT NO Cena will never turn heel, his character is too far gone to become a heel ie cowardly tactics and his super Cena character just wouldn't fly beating everyone and anyone cleanly, if Cena went pre Mania 20 and battle rapped and used his chain stuff it could work as he was generally fun to watch and listen to but now he's stale, I honestly hope WWE do something in the next year to get him edgy again in time for mania 28.

 

[berlinbrawler]

BUT NO Cena will never turn heel, his character is too far gone to become a heel ie cowardly tactics and his super Cena character just wouldn't fly beating everyone and anyone cleanly

I see your point, but such factors never stopped anyone before. The Rock, Steve Austin, Hulk Hogan - all unbeatable supermen who turned heel anyway. Austin's heel run may have failed, and maybe so would Cena's (doubt it, though), but it never stopped them from trying.

 

[WJDwjdWJDwjd]

It doesn't matter that they are getting a mixed reaction. They are getting pretty much THE MOST reaction. In wrestling, the type of the reaction doesn't matter, it just the fact you're getting a reaction. Cena is getting a huge reaction every week. People love him and people hate him. He gets a huge reaction. If you hate him, want him off TV because you're sick of his character, WWE is doing their job getting him over because you care about him to some extent. A larger portion of the industry is based on psychology. They know the adults can't stand Cena, just like they know some people love Miz. They knew the same thing when The Rock was heel but people still cheered. They keep them this way on purpose. The kids buy the merch to get the pop, the adults bitch about them and some of you come on these boards to complain. You want to see Cena turn heel? Don't give him a reaction. Unfortunately for some of you, this is only about 0.001% of the wrestling fans in here so my suggestion will go unheard.

 

[hellod245]

I totally agree. WWE is also trying to add sympathy factor with the Miz. 2 weeks ago on raw Cena himself said that the miz has earned his respect. Then they showed his concussion videos so that he can gain more sympathy. And another big reason, wwe chose r-truth to be in main event of extreme rules. The same r truth who was not even on the card of wrestlemania. What is the point of it? I think there is only one reason behind it. Miz is going to pin r-truth. Miz will retain his tittle because of r-truth. We may see Cena's heel turn right there. Imagine miz toss cena out of the ring and pins r-truth. After that cena is mad on r-truth coz he got pinned. He beat the living hell out of him like a heel. Miz gets more applaud next week by his peers because he still retained his tittle thus turning face slowly and cena turns heel.

 

[The Brain]

There is already a thread on a Miz face turn, and Lord know there are enough threads about a Cena heel turn. We don't need this one.