Cena + HBK = Gold

[Slyfox696]

It's happened three separate times now. You put HBK and Cena together in the ring, and they put on a great show. First it was WM 23, then it was Raw in London, and finally last night's match. Three extraordinary matches from these two.

Personally, I think it's because of Cena's incredible versatility that makes the matches so good. Cena is very versatile in the fact that he can sell an ass kicking extremely well, and is very believable when he is giving the ass kicking. HBK is not a strong offensive wrestler, and so having someone who is good at selling his offense improves that part of the match, and HBK's great ability to sell really makes Cena offense look great. In addition, unlike HBK, Cena doesn't seem to have a big ego, which means you can have results like last night, where HBK goes over the champion clean...again.

Why do you think they have such good matches? And would you like to see a feud between them, one that lasts longer than just one match? How would you book that feud?

 

[48.7 is Approximately 49 Times Better Than You]

I thought the match was terrible, actually.

 

[klunderbunker]

I wouldn't put them in a feud actually. I think a big aspect of what makes these matches work is you don't see them that often. As great as they are together and they are indeed great, eventually they're going to have a bad match together. This seems more likely to happen if they go at it with less time in between. The matches look even better because when you haven't seen them in awhile, you forget how truly great they work with each other. I like the well spaced out time between the encounters as the two are allowed to put on long matches taht just flow.

As for why are they good, some people just have chemistry with each other while others don't. Austin and Taker have some of the worst chemistry that two main eventers can have, while a pairing like Austin and HHH or Rock just gel together so well. Not sure if there's a reason specifically as to why or why not, but typically it's either there or not. These two have it and have a lot of it.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

I think a major reason for the great matches is the existance of mutual respect. Both men know what the other is capable of. Michaels sees Cena as the future of the business, and Cena sees Michaels as a guy who's done it all. So, they respect each other enough to trust that the other wants this match to be as great as it can be without either man "going into business for himself."

I am not sold on a feud between these two men, though. The matches they have are the rare face vs face gems. Cena is too valuable right now to go in as a heel (sells merch and is the face of the product) and Michaels at this point really can't be a heel. They tried that with Hogan, and fans ended up booing Hogan. I am content with them crossing paths occassionally and putting on a tremendous show, but they don't have to hate each other to pique my interest.

In short, a Michaels vs Cena match will draw me regardless of the existance of a rivalry, feud, face / heel dynamic, etc.

 

[Slyfox696]

I thought the match was terrible, actually.

How so?

 

[Uncle Sam]

Eh.

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

I'd go with KB personally. It's probably down to the chemistry between the two plus their individual determination to always put on a good show. HBK's motto has always been to put on the greatest spectacle just because he can, and Cena is an advocate of the people and is driven to please them, whatever it takes.

The clash of styles works very well for a decent match imo. If you take a pairing like Taker and Austin, you're not likely to get a great match because they're both primarily brawlers, which is why Taker and Foley didn't have great wrestling matches, and Austin and Foley didn't have great wrestling matches, because they each had a move list of about 5 moves and once they were done that was it.

They could punch and kick and fight in the crowd a lot, but you were never going to get a chain wrestling classic out of them, but any of those combinations could pull off great gimmick matches.

Put one of those guys in a match with someone with a totally different style, and you'll more than likely get an enjoyable match. Austin v Rock, awesome matches made better by the charisma of the two. Taker v Foley each would bloody the other senseless. Taker v Angle were great matches, Taker v HHH is a good pairing as well etc etc.

Anyway, personally with guys like HBK and Cena, every match is essentially the same. They'll start with the headlock, bounce off the ropes, shoulder block combo, then do a few moves like a hip toss or an arm drag, go into the announce table maybe, get thrown into the ring steps perhaps, Cena might do his top rope fame-asser or the throwback, HBK might lock in his inverted Figure-4, then we'll have a reverse chinlock, HBK will do his kip up, atomic drop, scoop slam, elbow routine, Cena will do his spinning back drop, You Can't See ME, FU/STFU combo and there will be a counter here and there in between and then maybe a weird finish (but probably just a second finisher) and that's it.

When you have a first time meeting between guys it's more suspenseful. Like Cena v Batista, i watched just to see who'd get booked to win. With Cena v HBK which we've had 3 times now, i wouldn't honestly care, unless to see if HBK would actually beat the guy for once. Like Batista v Kane. Kane's NEVER beaten Batista, so i'd watch another match to see if Kane is ever going to beat the guy.

With Cena and HBK, because i personally am not a fan of either guy, i wouldn't want to see them have a 4th match, unless it was a gimmick match, or if they'd had a string of matches where there was no solid finish each time, like those 2 had after WM22, or like Taker/Batista's fued where Taker barely won the first time, and then they kept having draws, and then Batista won a match and then there was a screwjob finish in HIAC, and then Taker beat Batista in EC, so therefore Taker is the better guy and we don't need another Taker/Batista match.

Anyway, a gimmick match would be good, otherwise the aG3Nt isn't fussed about Cena/HBK 4

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

I marked out of my pants last night. It was the best match I've seen on Raw in years. I fully expect this to happen again at Mania.

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

I marked out of my pants last night. It was the best match I've seen on Raw in years. I fully expect this to happen again at Mania.

No way, either Jericho or Orton will be facing Cena, HBK wants to be facing Taker if they have any sense.

 

[HBK-aholic]

 

[Shocky]

Why have a good match when you can simply just put a shit wrestler like JBL on pay per view.

 

[Uncle Sam]

That's the TNA motto right there.

 

[Shocky]

it was a good match, good. If i have to hear one more time about the decade old shawn michaels surgically repaired back, I'm going to reach threw my tv, and rip out Michael coles throat. Seriously, I'm pretty sure that that back that had surgery on it ten years ago is probably feeling okay by now, just a hunch.

 

[jmt225]

I LOVED their 'Mania match against one another. Their one hour match was good, but overrated at the same time. And I missed Raw last night... so I can't comment on that, but I'm sure it was at least decent.

 

[CENAtion]

I loved all 3 mathces these two have put on. I still believe the match on RAW in London was the best one of them all. JBL had no reason to even be there during the match his presence alone brings it down.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I marked out of my pants last night. It was the best match I've seen on Raw in years. I fully expect this to happen again at Mania.

you expect everything to happen at Mania...

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

you expect everything to happen at Mania...

It makes far more sense than any of the other plans being dished out there by the fanboyz.

 

[justinsayne]

It makes far more sense than any of the other plans being dished out there by the fanboyz.

Yeah I know, that Cena/Orton match everyone is expecting doesn't make anysense what so ever, I mean why the fuck would WWE want to have their top face taking one their top heel at the biggest show in the company's history

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

Yeah I know, that Cena/Orton match everyone is expecting doesn't make anysense what so ever, I mean why the fuck would WWE want to have their top face taking one their top heel at the biggest show in the company's history

The biggest star in the company fighting "Mr. Wrestlemania" at the 25th Wrestlemania, IN TEXAS, who has the road paved for him to be the last man to enter the Rumble and is in the biggest storyline going at the moment....or Randy Orton, a guy who is currently forming a touch football team with a bunch of mid-carders?


Cena/HBK would draw more money than Cena/Orton would.


FACT.

 

[Rusty]

No way, either Jericho or Orton will be facing Cena, HBK wants to be facing Taker if they have any sense.

Jericho and Orton rulz coz they are heelz.

 

[Rusty]

Anyway, personally with guys like HBK and Cena, every match is essentially the same. They'll start with the headlock, bounce off the ropes, shoulder block combo, then do a few moves like a hip toss or an arm drag, go into the announce table maybe, get thrown into the ring steps perhaps, Cena might do his top rope fame-asser or the throwback, HBK might lock in his inverted Figure-4, then we'll have a reverse chinlock, HBK will do his kip up, atomic drop, scoop slam, elbow routine, Cena will do his spinning back drop, You Can't See ME, FU/STFU combo and there will be a counter here and there in between and then maybe a weird finish (but probably just a second finisher) and that's it.

Yes, Cena only used 5 moves in that match

I suppose you're one of those smarks that think the Undertaker vs Edge match was the greatest thing to ever hit this earth.

 

[Khalifa]

I must disagree and say Cena and HBK match at mania wasn't that good. Why? Well because halfway through the match Cena "couldn't walk" with a sore knee, BANG he hits the FU and just starts running around like it was fine. That is what annoyed me.

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

Jericho and Orton rulz coz they are heelz.

Wow.... just, just...... wow.

Yes, Cena only used 5 moves in that match

I suppose you're one of those smarks that think the Undertaker vs Edge match was the greatest thing to ever hit this earth.

I didn't actually watch the match they had on Monday, but based on how both of their matches usually pan out, in conjunction with how both of their previous matches together went down, is where i came to this conclusion. I'll watch the match tonight, but i'm 99% sure i'll be on here 2moro stating that my opinion is unchanged.

I'll also voice my total lack of surprise about you immediately jumping on what i said, because it didn't agree with what the thread suggests about something involving John Cena.

Which Edge/Taker match, there were at least 4. Care to specify?

WM was ok i guess. I found it hard to believe that Edge could take it that hard to Taker considering how he'd spent 2 months running away, and doing run ins, but then if you consider that Edge is smarter than Batista, and Batista couldn't beat 'Taker with all guns blazing, then it makes more sense. Didn't think the match itself was that spectacular.

Backlash was near enough exactly the same.

Judgement Day had a terrible ending.

ONS was probably the best of their matches imo

SSlam HIAC wasn't anything special. Unfortunately, since its inception, HIAC has always been about someone flying off the top of it, or through it. I don't think anyone's even set foot on top of the cell since HHH v Y2J, so it's never going to be a memorable match, unless they do something like the 'sending to hell' bit, which imo, was stupid.

So no, despite being a die hard Taker mark, i don't think his matches with Edge were the best thing ever. I much preferred his fued with Batista the year before, and again, you suppose wrong.

 

[Rusty]

Wow.... just, just...... wow.

I hope you know that I was being sarcastic.

I didn't actually watch the match they had on Monday, but based on how both of their matches usually pan out, in conjunction with how both of their previous matches together went down, is where i came to this conclusion. I'll watch the match tonight, but i'm 99% sure i'll be on here 2moro stating that my opinion is unchanged.

Well, many thought it was a great match. They've only had two matches before this one, one was at Wrestlemania 23 and the other one was on Raw and lasted 1 whole hour. Totally different matches.

I'll also voice my total lack of surprise about you immediately jumping on what i said, because it didn't agree with what the thread suggests about something involving John Cena.

This is fun.

Which Edge/Taker match, there were at least 4. Care to specify?

I was talking about their match from Wrestlemania 24.

WM was ok i guess. I found it hard to believe that Edge could take it that hard to Taker considering how he'd spent 2 months running away, and doing run ins, but then if you consider that Edge is smarter than Batista, and Batista couldn't beat 'Taker with all guns blazing, then it makes more sense. Didn't think the match itself was that spectacular.

For once, I totally agree.

Backlash was near enough exactly the same.

Agreed once again.

Judgement Day had a terrible ending.

It was a terrible match by any means.

ONS was probably the best of their matches imo

Agreed.

SSlam HIAC wasn't anything special. Unfortunately, since its inception, HIAC has always been about someone flying off the top of it, or through it. I don't think anyone's even set foot on top of the cell since HHH v Y2J, so it's never going to be a memorable match, unless they do something like the 'sending to hell' bit, which imo, was stupid.

Agreed. Something isn't right here, I totally agree with this too.

So no, despite being a die hard Taker mark, i don't think his matches with Edge were the best thing ever. I much preferred his fued with Batista the year before, and again, you suppose wrong.

Agreed. See, I do agree with your posts sometimes, just not when it's about John Cena

 

[jmt225]

I must disagree and say Cena and HBK match at mania wasn't that good. Why? Well because halfway through the match Cena "couldn't walk" with a sore knee, BANG he hits the FU and just starts running around like it was fine. That is what annoyed me.

If you pay close attention, Cena actually does sell the knee right before he goes for the five knuckle shuffle.

Plus, you have to realize that 'adrenaline rush' for a guy like Cena allows that character to not have to fully sell during a comeback (ala Hogan). Whereas someone like Michaels or CM Punk... they sell all the time because their characters are that of overcoming the odds and gaining tons of sympathy during a comeback. Cena, on the other hand, is the unstoppable superhero whenever he gets fired up. Babyface HHH is the same way. It's all about look and character.