Castration! The Cure for Sexual Deviation

[Tastycles]

In some american states the penalty for child sex offenses is chemical catration. This doesn't actually remove the testes, but it involves taking a drug that stops sexual impulses being a part of their psyche. Obviously, this has sideffects, e.g. weight gain and fatigue.

The rates of recidivism following chemical castration are extremely low, and as it is a chemical castration, there is no pain, and your testicles are still there so there is no physical difference, just a mental one.

Do you think this should be the punishment for sexual deviants? Personally, I have quite a left wing attitude when it comes to criminal punishment- I oppose the death penalty, for example. But here I can definitely see the benefit. Paedophiles are not paedophiles because they choose to be, there is some hormonal, mental or other imbalance that causes them to be so.

I am not saying that I don't think they should go to gaol, because they should, but they could have this done, and then be released. It is also reversable, so if someone satisfies mental health experts that they no longer are attracted to children, then the treatment could stop and they could return to a normal life.

What do you think?

 

[klunderbunker]

I would be against chemical castration and for physical castration. At the end of the day, there is no justification for sex acts with a child. When I say child, I mean someone that can't determine right or wrong, not someone who is practially an adult as there's a major difference between the two and there should be a difference between the crime and their penalties, but that's a different story. However, the chemical castration could be an idea worth exploring. There are two issues that I have with it though.

1-there's no way you can guarantee it'll stay. I don't care how accurate or how much of a guarantee the procedure says it is. You're messing with the most complex creatures on the face of the earth: humans. There's almost no guarantee of anything when you're dealing with something like this.

2-the false reaction element. Take for example a person that has had a foot amputation. Almost always you will hear them say that they believe their foot is itching, yet there's nothing there to itch. A person may be convinced the feelings are there but in reality there may be nothing. That's not a chance I'd be willing to take. As evil as it sounds, a full castration would be best, even severing the organ completely. That would be the only guarantee. Or just lock them up for life. Either one.

 

[My$terio_Fan]

Even though I think pedophiles deserve to rot in hell for the rest of their life, I don't think it is right to castrate them. Although chemical castration could possibly be useful and a good punishment, without going overboard(like actually cutting off their junk)I just don't think we should have the right to do that. What about the studies that show that people can really change? After someone spends their time in jail they will pretty much be sexless, do they deserve it? Probably, but I don't think it's up to us. I just don't see this as humane and although they are disgusting pigs who deserve worse, they deserve rights and the possibility of changing.

 

[Ms. TM Canada]

I'm really on the fence here.
On one hand, I totally agree with what mysterio_fan is saying on how we don't have the right to do mess with somebody else's body, regardless of what they did to someone else.
On the other hand, child sex offenses are a different beast from virtually any other offense. There are plenty of people who have a sexual attraction towards children who will never harm or touch a child, and there is nothing illegal about fantasizing. The ones who act on their attraction are the ones who deserve jail time. For example, you can think about killing someone all you want. If you actually kill that person, you go to jail because you have harmed someone and committed a crime.
It has proven very hard to rehabilitate pedophiles, largely because they do not choose to be attracted to children, it's something they just have to deal with (often alone and in secret, because pedophilia is such a taboo).
The current most used method of prevention (or treatment) in pedophiles (whether they have harmed a child or not) is to get the individual to understand just how much harm they will do to a child if they act on their desires.
Obviously, this method only works (and only marginally, even then) if the offender is remorseful and wants to get his desire for small children under control.
Child sex offenses have one of the highest levels of recidivism, which means what we're doing to rehabilitate offenders is not working. I think removing all sexual impulses through chemical castration should be an option in cases where there has been more than one offense and counselling of the offender has proven unsuccessful. Some problems with this method:
-You must be assured that whatever medication prevents sperm production is actually being administered, and correctly.
-The method must be reversible (which chemical castration is).
-The OP mentioned that if mental health experts decided the offender was no longer attracted to children, the chemicals could stop being administered. The problem here is that even the offender may not know if he is still attracted to children; if the treatment is working he won't have sexual impulses at all. The only way to know is to stop giving him the treatment. It certainly doesn't seem fair to keep someone full of chemicals just because we can't be sure whether or not they still have "deviant" sexual urges.

Also, what would the stipulations be? At what age is a child who gets raped considered the victim of a child sex predator? 18 can't be right, because anyone over the age of 13 is no longer physically a child. Pedophilia is generally characterized as the attraction to people under the age of 10, so maybe that would be the age.
Chemically castrating child sex offenses may be acceptable, but it's a very slippery slope that could lead to castration for less serious sex offenses. In some states, oral sex/anal sex are still illegal. Do you want to be castrated for getting/giving a blowjob? That's an extreme example (because nobody ever gets a charge for oral sex slapped on them unless it was with a minor anyways), but there are a lot of things that are considered sexually deviant, and some of them are still illegal.
Should rape of adults be punished with castration? I don't necessarily think so, because adult rape is not usually about sexual attraction, but about power. Obviously child rape is to a degree as well, but often it stems from an attraction to children (pedophilia) that the offender does a terrible job at dealing with. Whatever the cause, people who rape adults are more easily rehabilitated than are child predators. (Although recidivism remains very high here, as well)
In general, I think chemical castration should be used mainly for child sex offenses (exceptions being serial rapists of adults, etc), and that it should be reserved only for offenders who have undergone all other treatments unsuccessfully.

 

[HBK-aholic]

Hell yes. They need to start this in England now, it would be the best thing ever. I think I've spoke about this before actually. Castration is definitely the way to deal with this. Anyone over the age of 18 forcing someone under 13 into sexual acts - it gets chopped off. Same with rape of adults. The only way to stop them is to make sure they can't do it.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

Hell yes. They need to start this in England now, it would be the best thing ever. I think I've spoke about this before actually. Castration is definitely the way to deal with this. Anyone over the age of 18 forcing someone under 13 into sexual acts - it gets chopped off. Same with rape of adults. The only way to stop them is to make sure they can't do it.

So a person, I'll call him Codename: Slyfox is out with his buddies having a drink (bettroot juice, non-alcoholic). A girl comes up to him and says ''I wanna lick your love pump''. He declines, school in the moring you see. At school, whilst teaching a subject that'll get them into college but won't educate them a police man arrives. Arrested he's taken to a prison cell. Because of this lack of confidence he is broken by the police. He admits to noting, but he's got guilty eyes. He goes to jail, and has a slight operation. Only it turns out the girl was lying, he did nothing.

What then Rebecca? What about the innocent people? It does happen you know.

Edit: I'm not against it, mostly because I don't rape.

 

[HBK-aholic]

There's no evidence, he wouldn't be convicted of it. It's as simple as that. Sex crimes like rape are so hard to prove, less than 5% ended in a successful conviction. I sincerely doubt anyone would be imprisoned falsely because of it. But if that somehow happened to be the case, as has been said, it's a reversible process. Guy would probably get a nice bit of compensation for it too.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

There's no evidence, he wouldn't be convicted of it.

She followed him to the toilet and and got some of his piss. The beetroot juice when straight to his head and he hit the seat. DNA. He's freaky and he likes to piss on his victims.

Or, he went home with her, and had sex with her. But it wasn't rape. She was well up for it.

Sex crimes like rape are so hard to prove, less than 5% ended in a successful conviction. I sincerely doubt anyone would be imprisoned falsely because of it.

Hard to prove either way, given the circumstances.

If you has consensual sex with somebody and they then claim rape, it seems perfectly reasonable that a mistake can be made.

Bruising? Tearing? A woman who claims rape is probably going to violently fuck herself with something. Bottle maybe, hopefully a plastic one.

But if that somehow happened to be the case, as has been said, it's a reversible process.

Reversible testicle trauma?

Guy would probably get a nice bit of compensation for it too.

That'll make everything better.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

First how is this proven to work? So it sends a signal to their brain and decreases their want/need to try having sex with somone. If this is for cases in child-rape situations, who's to say those individuals even wanted to have sex with the child to begin with.. and it wasn't some other type of mental issue that they had..

So you castrate his wang, then release him back into general public and he's now still got the same messed up mental state about him.. with the lack of a sex drive. That doesn't mean he wouldn't try to go right back after little kids, it just means he wouldn't be going after them for sex.

Sometimes I think the Government just thinks random shit up to attempt putting a cover-up over something that they clearly need to step up and say "Look, some of you are just flat-out fucked beyond all help in the head, and we seriously don't know how to help."

Now, if this is in cases of regular rape.. then fuck all, NO. Jake said it best.. what if it was a case of some female lying. (which happens more than some of you want to believe) So you completely ruin some guy's sex life, all because some stupid bitch didn't get exactly what she wanted from him?

Becca even said herself, sex crimes (like rape) are so hard to prove. But sometimes, if the guy "looks" like the type, and the female does come up with some type of injury (self-inflicted or otherwise) then bam.. that guy, innocent or not, is S.O.L.

I'm going to simply say this is a bad idea. Just fucking lock them up. If it's a case that you CAN prove was real, then DO NOT release them. And if it's a situation that wasn't conclusive.. yet they're released and it happens with them again, this time with an unrelated victim to the first one.. THEN DO NOT release them, either. How fucking hard is that?!

 

[Mr. TM]

Well first off, Rape is very often a crime where it is convicted with little evidence. Juries are easily pursuaded to convict in rape crimes. And Rape is easy to fake. gathering specimen is also quite easy, as had been said, if you are in someones house then there is a plethera of DNA proof. Tissues beside the Jerkins lotion, urine samples, and hair that can be used in cases. If you wanted to set someone up for rape, it is as easy as that.

Now what about the girl who has sex with a man, and then decides, hey, I think I'll charge him with rape. There are countless reasons why she would decide this (hopes of a payout, attention (a big one), or spite). It would be quite easy to prove that she had had sex, but was it rape?

Now onto the next question. Why only men? What is the penalty for women? Would women rapists get sterilized? That seems only fair does it not?

Castration as a whole will not fix the problem. Men most of the time rape to feel in control. Most of the time it is not a crime of simply wanting to get off. Castration would end nothing.

In the end, I think it is a horrible idea. Especially if it is irreversible. In the end, there is always a better method, give the rapists help, help them understand and learn the problem behind this. The may have a chemical imbalance that can be fixed with medication. Anything slight of hanging them is better.

 

[HBK-aholic]

Well first off, Rape is very often a crime where it is convicted with little evidence.

LOL, are you kidding me? Rape is the hardest crime to prove. Less than 7% of rapes end in a successful conviction. And that number keeps falling. Why? Because it's so hard to prove.

Juries are easily pursuaded to convict in rape crimes.

Again, in actual fact, it's completely the opposite. Rape is so hard to prove because, on the simplest terms, it's sex. When there is little evidence, they are so much more likely to go with not guilty, because they'd rather let a guilty man go than an innocent man go to jail.

And Rape is easy to fake.

The only part of rape that's 'easy' to fake is the having sex part. Are you really saying it's easy to cry your heart out over something women say has ruined their life, yet you have no expereince of? To keep a blatant lie under wraps when being questioned constantly by police?

gathering specimen is also quite easy, as had been said, if you are in someones house then there is a plethera of DNA proof. Tissues beside the Jerkins lotion, urine samples, and hair that can be used in cases. If you wanted to set someone up for rape, it is as easy as that.

It isn't easy! It's so far from easy it's almost impossible. It's so hard some women are put off from going to court because of how hard it is.

In the end, I think it is a horrible idea. Especially if it is irreversible. In the end, there is always a better method, give the rapists help, help them understand and learn the problem behind this. The may have a chemical imbalance that can be fixed with medication. Anything slight of hanging them is better.

Completely disagree they should get help. What they should get is either death, or a tiny cell with no TV, hardly any food, cold, and the key to be thrown away.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

LOL, are you kidding me? Rape is the hardest crime to prove. Less than 7% of rapes end in a successful conviction. And that number keeps falling. Why? Because it's so hard to prove.

welp, this right here pretty much ends the thread. How can you levy a punshment that will effect someone's life (VERY VERY negatively depending on the method used) FOREVER with something that can only be totally without a shadow of a doubt proven 7% of the time?? Thats fucking absurd. There is such an immense HEAP of false rape cases brought against innocent men every year, there is absolutely no way you can have a blanket punishment as harsh as this, when as said, its virtually impossible to prove, besides word of mouth. You think girls use the threat of claiming rape as an unfair advantage NOW, just fucking IMAGINE the amount of blackmail that could be done if THIS was the punishment??

"you like having a dick and balls?? well then you had better do what I say"

seriously. you have to be totally blind and biased to even begin to consider this as a good idea. There is WAY too much grey area for rape to do something like this.

As for Pedo's no longer having use of their jibbly parts wont stop them from attacking children, as its a mental thing. Very few sexual assault situations involving children involve actual intercourse anyhow, it mostly a lot of "nasty touching". Its mental disease, not much else. So that wont help either. How about we try and put away the hellfire and brimstone, torches and pitchforks, and use a little intelligence with this...

 

[HBK-aholic]

welp, this right here pretty much ends the thread. How can you levy a punshment that will effect someone's life (VERY VERY negatively depending on the method used) FOREVER with something that can only be totally without a shadow of a doubt proven 7% of the time?? Thats fucking absurd. There is such an immense HEAP of false rape cases brought against innocent men every year, there is absolutely no way you can have a blanket punishment as harsh as this, when as said, its virtually impossible to prove, besides word of mouth.

Or you could look at it the other way. Ther last official figure I saw was a 7% conviction rate, which was back in 1999. Looking at the rates they were dropping, back in the 1970's the rate was over 30%. The latest figure is 5.7%, although I'm unsure of the accuracy with that one. However, my point is, does that mean 95% of the time women are lying? Of course not. But it does show how hard it is to prove, meaning it would be very very unlikely for an innocent man to be convicted, when guilty men hardly ever are.

Juries seem very against giving a guilty verdict for rape unless it's proven "without a shadow of a doubt", using your words there. So if it is proven that much, why shouldn't they be castrated?

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Its just far too inhumane of a punishment to be allowed with something with so very much grey area. Like I said. All the DNA evidence on the planet earth still cant prove without a shadow of a doubt between consenual and non consenual. Ive torn many a girls Vagina. Thank fuck your not running things, if one of them had gotten pissy at me not liking them, they couldve taken their torn vagina to the cops and id be castrated.

Far too much grey area, and far too much of an inhumane thing to do. Rapists GET raped in prison anyway. Pretty much everyday. Or at least beaten down. So its unecessary.

 

[HBK-aholic]

Its just far too inhumane of a punishment to be allowed with something with so very much grey area.

I'm sorry, but I can't comprehend not doing something to a rapist because it's 'inhumane' when I think about what they did to some woman. I wouldn't treat them as human, they'd be so much less. Hell, if I had my way there would be no need for castration because they'd have the death penalty.

Like I said. All the DNA evidence on the planet earth still cant prove without a shadow of a doubt between consenual and non consenual. Ive torn many a girls Vagina. Thank fuck your not running things, if one of them had gotten pissy at me not liking them, they couldve taken their torn vagina to the cops and id be castrated.

Thanks for the mental image there LOL. And I see your point, there ARE cases of people lying about it. But I honestly don't think any sort of conviction would come about for a 'fake' rape, if they can't even prosecute the real ones.

Far too much grey area, and far too much of an inhumane thing to do. Rapists GET raped in prison anyway. Pretty much everyday. Or at least beaten down. So its unecessary.

Eugh that just makes more rapists, such a stupid cycle.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I'm sorry, but I can't comprehend not doing something to a rapist because it's 'inhumane' when I think about what they did to some woman. I wouldn't treat them as human, they'd be so much less. Hell, if I had my way there would be no need for castration because they'd have the death penalty.



Thanks for the mental image there LOL. And I see your point, there ARE cases of people lying about it. But I honestly don't think any sort of conviction would come about for a 'fake' rape, if they can't even prosecute the real ones.



Eugh that just makes more rapists, such a stupid cycle.

I know Becca, as you resort with your usual hellfire and brimstone, pitch fork and fire punishements. I still maintain you are lowering yourself to the same monster level of those who comitted the crime. If your just as inhumane, your just as bad. Are you incapable of being the better person??

you dont think "any sort" of false rapes get people in trouble?? I cant even fucking COUNT the amount of stories that come out about athletes, students, and all sorta being convicted, or at the very least having their names and charatcer soiled by girls claiming rape. there are heaps of these every year. Dont be so naive. I just explained how the hell It could happen. I have rough sex with a girl who likes me, I rip her vagina with my abnormally large penis, I end up not liking her, she gets mad, and says I raped her. She has bruises, a ripped vagina, and my DNA on her. Everyone knows I was with her that night. How the fuck do I get out of that?? Bye bye to NorCal's reproductive Organs. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT BECCA?!?!?!

Er, it doesnt "make" anything LOL. these are fucked up people. And besides, numerous daily beatings and anal rapings is a rather terrible, inhmane punishment. Sounds right up your alley of doing things.

 

[HBK-aholic]

I know Becca, as you resort with your usual hellfire and brimstone, pitch fork and fire punishements. I still maintain you are lowering yourself to the same monster level of those who comitted the crime. If your just as inhumane, your just as bad. Are you incapable of being the better person??

Yes, because clearly, I'm going out and raping people. Trying to make sure these people don't rape again, and raping someone is the same thing, and clearly makes me on the same level as a rapist. Have you finished with that yet?

you dont think "any sort" of false rapes get people in trouble?? I cant even fucking COUNT the amount of stories that come out about athletes, students, and all sorta being convicted, or at the very least having their names and charatcer soiled by girls claiming rape. there are heaps of these every year. Dont be so naive.

People reporting rape falsely are awful people, and deserve to be locked up. And not once did I say it didn't cause any trouble, I'm sure it causes a lot, and I hate the people who lie about it. But this thread isn't about stopping people who lie about rape, it's about what to do with those who are convicted fo it. "Sorta being convicted" is actually very, very different from actually being convicted, and they wouldn't be in this position of being castrated.

Er, it doesnt "make" anything LOL. these are fucked up people. And besides, numerous daily beatings and anal rapings is a rather terrible, inhmane punishment. Sounds right up your alley of doing things.

How the hell are you getting that?

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I miss typed that. It wa ssupposed to say "all sorts of convictions". How the fuck can someone be "sorta convicted" ??

and your the same level as in doing something inhmane to another human being. and Last I checked, it was tough to rape women while locked within a jail.

I am fully aware of what the thread is on. and the massive amount of people who lie about rape, which you yourself have confessed many do, and you, yourself have confessed that rape is virtually impossible to prove, are the reasons this terrible blanket punishment cant be used. Also, I am unsure of were I said anything about stopping people from lying about rape. you cant stop that. Which is why you cant institute this kind of punishment. Im not sure how you can misunderstand that. The scenario I presented to you in my response (which came later after I edited it) is EXACTLY why you cant have this as a punishment. Far too much grey area for a punishment that has none. Someone can be allowed out of jail if the claims are later disproven. You cant exactly give someone their jibbly parts back, now can you??

and what if these women are proved to be lying Becca?? Shall we do things your way, and rip their lips and tongues off?? pour molten silver into their mouths??

 

[HBK-aholic]

I wondered what you meant .

But people never get life imprisonment, that's the problem. 'Tis why I favour the death penalty over this punishment, and any other. If life actually meant life, then maybe it'd be different.

I don't misunderstand it, I look at it differently. Your view is that something that can rarely be proven fully can't be given a punishment like this, mine is that because it is so rarely proven, when it is you can be sure it's the truth. We just have 2 very different ways of looking at this. And while not ideal in any sense, if somehow he was wrongly convicted, the process is reversible. Probably easier than the 10 years you'd have in jail to get back.

If they were found to be lying I'd probably kill them if I met them haha. But honestly, it's a huge pet peeve of mine, and I think the law goes too easy on them. I mean, if she hadn'd been found to be lying, and somehow convinced police and a jury of it being truthful, a guy could have gone to prison for maybe over 10 years. Yet she'd get a couple of months? It's completely unfair.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

riiiiight. so the DEATH PENALTY?? well, we all knnow THATS reversable if proof comes later the girl was lying

and I guess it depends if your talking about some sort of chemical thing, or the hacking or body parts. Although I am unaware of reversible chemical castration. I would scoff at this notion. if it did exist, then why would people who get vesectomies just get reversible chemical ones?? I am calling bullshit on that. Pretty sure it doesnt exist.

and the reason I bring up how hard it is to prove, is becuas esomething that is so hard to prove, probably isnt right ALL the time when it IS "proven". the scenario I gave you involving myself would be pretty open and shut "proven" case wouldnt it?? But it would be pretty fucked up yea??

 

[HBK-aholic]

You rape someone, you get death. I think it could work as quite a good way to stop rape actually. But in all seriousness, yes I know that's why we (in the UK) currently don't have it, and there would be A LOT to work out regarding it. So we should just make life = life and everyone would be happy?

I've read it somewhere, and I think it was mentioned in this thread. But I can't say 100% if it's real or not, because I can't be bothered looking.

While it sure as hell would be suspicious, I don't think there's a such thing as an "open and shut" case.