Call me a sexist if you want....

[Brushfire]

Get this through your thick head, nitwit, but there is something called "freedom of speech".

That means that this guy gets to say that he doesn't like female commentators without you pulling out the "sexist" cards.

That is NOT what freedom of speech means. That means he can say whatever he wants without it breaking the law. Anyone else is still perfectly entitled to make any judgement they want, and in this case - it's the correct one.

Not liking a female commentator is absolutely fine. Saying that you don't like a commentator solely because they are a woman is sexist and has absolutely no place in modern-day society.

 

[JoeFromTomsRiver]

You're embracing a despicable discriminatory attitude and acting as if it's okay. You need help.

Thanks for the advice. I'll call a psychiatrist and make an appointment. When they ask me what brings me in, I'll tell them "I don't like listening to a woman on commentary during pro wrestling matches". You people are too much.

 

[NegativeFeedback]

Thanks for the advice. I'll call a psychiatrist and make an appointment. When they ask me what brings me in, I'll tell them "I don't like listening to a woman on commentary during pro wrestling matches". You people are too much.

The fact that you're treating it as a joke is part of the problem. You just wrote that thinking it was funny, but I bet a psychologist or psychiatrist would take that statement very seriously.

As a med student, I would actually be very interested in doing psych rotations and getting a patient that knows he is sexist and wants to change.

There is probably some deep-rooted family history causing your despicable prejudices.

 

[d_henderson1810]

That is NOT what freedom of speech means. That means he can say whatever he wants without it breaking the law. Anyone else is still perfectly entitled to make any judgement they want, and in this case - it's the correct one.

Not liking a female commentator is absolutely fine. Saying that you don't like a commentator solely because they are a woman is sexist and has absolutely no place in modern-day society.

But he is allowed to say that he doesn't like a commentator solely because she is female. That is not against the law. It is his opinion.

You also have the right to call him what you want, just like I have the right to say that you throw the "sexist" card because you lack any sense of a real argument. They, too, are opinions, which people are entitled to have.

It is just that you are acting self-righteous, as if women are better than men, (I thought feminism was to bring equality, not domination). You can say that too, but then we have a right to think of you as a fool.

 

[Brushfire]

But he is allowed to say that he doesn't like a commentator solely because she is female. That is not against the law. It is his opinion.

You also have the right to call him what you want, just like I have the right to say that you throw the "sexist" card because you lack any sense of a real argument. They, too, are opinions, which people are entitled to have.

It is just that you are acting self-righteous, as if women are better than men, (I thought feminism was to bring equality, not domination). You can say that too, but then we have a right to think of you as a fool.

I don't remember me saying that anything was against the law, in fact that was the opposite of what I said.

I didn't throw any cards. I didn't make any kind of argument. I simply stated the facts.

I'm sorry that you feel that believing discrimination against others solely because of their gender is misogynous, and I have absolutely no idea where you're getting any ideas of domination from.

 

[therockiswwf]

Thanks for the advice. I'll call a psychiatrist and make an appointment. When they ask me what brings me in, I'll tell them "I don't like listening to a woman on commentary during pro wrestling matches". You people are too much.

Are you honestly saying you see absolutely nothing wrong with not liking a person due to gender?

I'm guessing you would respond like this.
"Oh but it's just wrestling, it's not a big deal or anything."

It is a big deal. No matter what it is over, if you don't like a person solely based on gender, then it is a big deal. There is no such thing as a minor sexist. A sexist is a sexist. You are a sexist.

You really should call a psychiatrist. Stop being so defensive. You are in the wrong here. The first step you need to take is to realize that.

You are not okay. You are obviously not getting the help you need.

 

[therockiswwf]

Sigh.

Oh no, here we go again!

Get this through your thick head, nitwit, but there is something called "freedom of speech".

Which protects you from government prosecution.

That means that this guy gets to say that he doesn't like female commentators without you pulling out the "sexist" cards.

No it doesn't. In fact, what you wrote doesn't makes sense.

He doesn't like female commentators because they are female. That means he is sexist. So I called him sexist.

He did not say he doesn't like Young based on talent. That I would have no problem with. If it was just her voice that got on his nerves. That I would have no problem with. He said that he doesn't like her because she is female. That I have a problem with.

You know, I envy blacks, gays and women for one thing. Whenever anyone makes a criticism towards one of their groups, they now have a slur, a name that they throw, which silences all arguments. Forget about trying to provide a convincing argument why a female commentator is just as good as a male one, this feminist instead throws the chauvinist card EVERY TIME anyone dare suggest that women aren't better than men, every day in every way.

I truly cannot believe someone just wrote that.

Are you saying we should allow and be okay with people hating other people solely due to the color of their skin, their sexual orientation or their gender?

I think women should have the same opportunity to be commentators, and if she is good, she does the commentator, provided she is across the subject and can put two words together. But if the OP doesn't want to listen to that, that is his right, without being called a woman-hater.

Except he doesn't like Young because she is a woman. He said nothing about her talent.

Gee, I hate the PC police. They talk about rights, but then oppose anyone who disagrees with them. People who yell "racist", "sexist", "homophobe" are just acting childish. If people don't like you, that's their problem. Screw them. So get over it, and don't let them define you.

So gay people should not try to fight for the right to marriage? Because to do that, they would have to disagree with those who are against it. So you would want them to do what exactly?

We shouldn't try to point out how wrong having racist, sexist or homophobic views are? We shouldn't try to make people see that their views are horrific and hurtful? Because these types of views lead to inequality. They lead to idiots banning gay marriage. We should disagree with them because they are wrong. Yes, an opinion can be wrong.

 

[JoeFromTomsRiver]

Are you honestly saying you see absolutely nothing wrong with not liking a person due to gender?

I'm guessing you would respond like this.
"Oh but it's just wrestling, it's not a big deal or anything."

It is a big deal. No matter what it is over, if you don't like a person solely based on gender, then it is a big deal. There is no such thing as a minor sexist. A sexist is a sexist. You are a sexist.

You really should call a psychiatrist. Stop being so defensive. You are in the wrong here. The first step you need to take is to realize that.

You are not okay. You are obviously not getting the help you need.

I find it interesting that the one board member who I know is a woman, didn't have a problem with my opinion and certainly didn't tell me I "needed help".

It's you little 19 year old mealy-mouthed drama queens. Trying to save society from people who don't follow along with your utopian world order.

I'm really hoping you guys are just working me. At least then I'd feel less sorry for you.

If you're not, and this is all legit, you have rough lives ahead of you if you think everyone who goes against your definition of acceptable thought "needs help". It will come to pass that YOU will actually need help, because you will go insane trying to make everyone think like you do.

The endgame here is that I'm not getting help, I'll continue on with my productive life, and I will continue to not want to hear a woman calling the action during pro wrestling matches. And you can continue being offended.

 

[Brushfire]

If it's any consolation, I don't think you need help. I just massively disagree with your opinion, which should be absolutely fine. I do hope that at some point a female commentator comes along and ends up changing your mind, though.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Ginger please. I was more sexist at eight years old than this. I have more sexism in my pinky than you have in your whole body. If what you're trying to say is that you prefer to have sex with Michael Cole than Renee Young I say I'm proud of you for being open about it and so sorry ladies of Toms River. Do you think Renee Young may do a better job while on her period? I like Doris Burke, otherwise I don't watch NXT and can't think of any female commentators although I always thought that Pat Summerall would make a fine looking woman. But if you are ruling out a whole gender based on one wrestling commentator and some mysterious unnamed ladies of college football than the more power to you.

If you don't like a woman's voice in wrestling how do you tolerate listening to Dolph Ziggler's whiny trap?

 

[therockiswwf]

I find it interesting that the one board member who I know is a woman, didn't have a problem with my opinion and certainly didn't tell me I "needed help".

It's you little 19 year old mealy-mouthed drama queens. Trying to save society from people who don't follow along with your utopian world order.

I'm really hoping you guys are just working me. At least then I'd feel less sorry for you.

If you're not, and this is all legit, you have rough lives ahead of you if you think everyone who goes against your definition of acceptable thought "needs help". It will come to pass that YOU will actually need help, because you will go insane trying to make everyone think like you do.

The endgame here is that I'm not getting help, I'll continue on with my productive life, and I will continue to not want to hear a woman calling the action during pro wrestling matches. And you can continue being offended.

Well I don't agree with sexist. So if I can't work with one, then I'm fine with that. Also I wouldn't want work with one.

What does my age have to do with anything?

My utopian world order? You mean equality?

Remember when I said stop being defensive? Because all you did in your post was be defensive. You tried to turn it around and attack me. Sorry I don't like the fact that you are sexist. Sorry I don't like the fact you seem to think this is a joke.

I'm going to continue to live my life not giving a shit about you or anyone else who has an opinion like yours. I will continue to live a life in which I know I'm not like you.

 

[HeenanGorilla]

I'm going to continue to live my life not giving a shit about you or anyone else who has an opinion like yours. I will continue to live a life in which I know I'm not like you.

This is how he ends his 12th response on this post. Yeah, you'll "continue" doing that because you've done such a great job of it to this point.

I have to say that after RAW's closing segment last night, I realize how wrong I was about women on the mic. Stephanie and Brie really knocked it out of the park! To think that I didn't get why a contract signing of an uninteresting midcard match was going to close their flagship show... Boy, is my face red! I had no interest in SummerSlam before that BUT NOW I HAVE TO GET IT! In one corner, we have Vince's horribly-aging, wide-gap-chested, false-sense-of-importance-having, sarcastic-yes-chant-overusing, blank-of-a-character daughter squaring off against a Bella twin. It may sound boring as hell BUT HHH trapped that Bella twin behind a desk!!! This left her helpless to save the other twin from...getting hit with a wrestling move...in a wrestling ring. AND IF THAT WASN'T BRILLIANT AND SCARY ENOUGH...the one who is going to be in this can't-miss match WAS ALSO HIT WITH THE SAME....wrestling move.

"Nikki! NIKKI!!!" HAHA! Like she was helplessly trapped while her child was going to be tortured. Nope! Just pedigreed like hundreds of other people have been.

I CAN'T WAIT to see how this turns out! Sexism is wrong! This lady's match will change all of our minds.

Also, did everyone see TheRockisWWF's joke in his signature? It is hilarious! The Rock proposes and then cuts off his girlfriend's response. What creativity! He took a wrestling-related joke and brought it to a real world situation...BRILLIANT!! Ugh, I now hate every member of your race and sexual orientation. Is that wrong?

 

[HBK-aholic]

I feel the same way about women doing commentary during legit sports, there is a woman play-by-play announcer who does college football on ESPN and I turn the game off if I hear it.

Should it "matter" if a woman or a man is doing commentary? Intellectually, no. But realistically, it does. To me. The cutesy high pitched voice coming from a petite blonde woman while two guys are "fighting" is out of place.

You also have the right to call him what you want, just like I have the right to say that you throw the "sexist" card because you lack any sense of a real argument. They, too, are opinions, which people are entitled to have.

It is just that you are acting self-righteous, as if women are better than men, (I thought feminism was to bring equality, not domination). You can say that too, but then we have a right to think of you as a fool.

Oh no, here we go again!

Get this through your thick head, nitwit, but there is something called "freedom of speech".

That means that this guy gets to say that he doesn't like female commentators without you pulling out the "sexist" cards.

You know, I envy blacks, gays and women for one thing. Whenever anyone makes a criticism towards one of their groups, they now have a slur, a name that they throw, which silences all arguments. Forget about trying to provide a convincing argument why a female commentator is just as good as a male one, this feminist instead throws the chauvinist card EVERY TIME anyone dare suggest that women aren't better than men, every day in every way.

I think women should have the same opportunity to be commentators, and if she is good, she does the commentator, provided she is across the subject and can put two words together. But if the OP doesn't want to listen to that, that is his right, without being called a woman-hater.

Gee, I hate the PC police. They talk about rights, but then oppose anyone who disagrees with them. People who yell "racist", "sexist", "homophobe" are just acting childish. If people don't like you, that's their problem. Screw them. So get over it, and don't let them define you.

I dislike Booker T on commentary. Because he's black, and I don't like listening to black people talk.

Oh, that's not ok? Funny how that works. As a viewer, it's your prerogative to dislike Renee Young on commentary, the same way it's your prerogative to dislike Vince McMahon as owner or John Cena as champion. It, however, is not ok, to dislike someone on the SOLE BASIS of their gender. It's also ridiculous to throw around the 'Free Speech' nonsense, which means about as much on this forum as the fact I'm a big purple dinosaur.

You can act as if we're 'throwing around' the term sexism, when in reality your thoughts are the exact definition of sexism. If you'd started this post about how her style of commentary wasn't to your liking, if you didn't think she explained things appropriately, or any other issue relating to her talent, there wouldn't be any rational reason to call you sexist. You don't have to like a female simply because she's a woman, because contrary to what the uneducated would have you believe, the 'feminism' movement is solely about equality, not women being better than men.

And yes, people have these 'opinions'. Calling something an opinion does not make it right, and does not make it not sexist.

Forget about trying to provide a convincing argument why a female commentator is just as good as a male one,

I have to reply to this separately, because it says everything. There should be NO NEED to provide an argument for why a female is just as good. It should not be an issue, and the fact you believe it is shows more about what you're not saying than what you are.

 

[klunderbunker]

I'm not replying to all the nonsense in this thread. Here's a summary.

1. Freedom of Speech absolutely allows people to say what they want. Unfortunately it also allows everyone to point out how stupid people sound.

2. Yes it sounds stupid, for far too long of a list of reasons to explain. If you'd rather listen to Old, King and Cole do their same song and dance routine on commentary, go right ahead. I'd rather listen to a very pretty blonde in her late 20s rocking a form fitting dress and charming the heck out of everyone in the audience.

3. There was a commentator named Mike McGuirk back in the late 1980s. I always dreaded McGuirk, a woman, on commentary for one reason: she SUCKED. She didn't know the names of moves, barely spoke, and clearly had no idea what she was doing. On the other hand, REnee Young adds something fresh to the team and actually sounds smart. It's very nice for a change.

4. Sure you have the right to say anything like this, but it's a case where you would be much better off keeping it to yourself. I'd heavily advise that in the future.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

Here's the thing OP, what you said was rather sexist, with that said I don't think you were trying to be sexist as it sounds like the sound of their voice can sound rather out of place when women are commentating wrestling (or other sports for that matter) which I can understand, a high pitched voice doesn't sound good when doing sports commentary, in a sense it feels unnatural to the situation at hand.

From another point of view, lets say a guy who sounded just like Michael Jackson was doing commentary for a HIAC match, it would just sound weird, it would sound completely out of place and it most likely wouldn't work. As odd as it may sound a persons voice is a big part of commentary, doing interviews, announcing, ect. Not just anyone can do it, you need a certain knowledge level, a certain voice and a certain delivery to be successful at it.

I wouldn't say that I can't stand women in general doing commentary but truth be told I'm having issues thinking of a good woman commentator up to this point (granted I'm having issues thinking of a woman commentator period). I'm not saying woman can't do it well, I'm not even saying Renee can't do it well, what I am saying though is a high pitch voice works against a person when doing commentary for football, basketball, wrestling, UFC, ect. It has nothing to do with women, not at all, but even if Alvin and the Chipmunks were the most knowledgeable commentators ever they would never do it well simply based on their voice.

You could say it's a harsh thing to say, you could say its a sexist thing to say, but at the end of the day its the truth.

 

[HeenanGorilla]

I'd rather listen to a very pretty blonde in her late 20s rocking a form fitting dress and charming the heck out of everyone in the audience.

Referring to posts on this thread as nonsense and suggesting others keep things to themselves...while saying you would like to LISTEN to a pretty blonde wearing a form-fitting dress. Way to put stupidity to bed! Don't you have an old school PPV to poorly review?

Not enjoying someone BECAUSE they belong to a particular race, creed, gender, etc. is wrong. HOWEVER, not enjoying, for example, women announcing sports or wrestling is that person's choice and is fine.

Again, I am willing to listen to anyone call a game. I'm just yet to hear a woman do what I consider to be a good job. That doesn't make me sexist. I have turned the channel because men are doing a poor job commentating. That makes me a...oh, we're only supposed to address the points that back up our arguments, right?

If I have to choose between listening to sub-par announcing or listening to whoever I want and being thought of as a sexist by some moron on a wrestling forum... SEXIST! Right here!

 

[laodaron]

Claiming that someone shouldn't be in a certain career field because of their gender is horrifying to actually see in print in 2014.

 

[JoeFromTomsRiver]

4. Sure you have the right to say anything like this, but it's a case where you would be much better off keeping it to yourself. I'd heavily advise that in the future.

Why would it better off to keep it to myself? So you don't have to hear it? To not upset people on a wrestling message board? I'll continue to say whatever I want (within the WZ guidelines of course), thank you very much.

And you would HEAVILY advise that in the future? Why? Am I at risk of being blackballed from WZ for offending certain people's sensibilities? This is a one and done topic that I started, it's not like I'm going to continue posting "women as commentators" threads like people do with "Cena heel turn" threads.

 

[klunderbunker]

Why would it better off to keep it to myself?

Because it's insulting to the human race.

So you don't have to hear it?

Indeed. It makes us look bad as human beings.

To not upset people on a wrestling message board? I'll continue to say whatever I want (within the WZ guidelines of course), thank you very much.

And as usual, the smart people here will be around to point out how horribly stupid you sound.

And you would HEAVILY advise that in the future?

I believe I said that yes.

Why?

Because I've been eating too much fast food on vacation.

Am I at risk of being blackballed from WZ for offending certain people's sensibilities?

Blacklisted more than likely.

This is a one and done topic that I started, it's not like I'm going to continue posting "women as commentators" threads like people do with "Cena heel turn" threads.

Oh you won't need to. We've pretty easily figured out how dense you are already.

As to avoid a spamming infraction, I would ask what difference this could make other than personal preference. Lawler hasn't offered anything but nostalgia in years, JBL is the standard veteran that wants to kill bunnies and Cole is a walking WWE ad. It's nice to get some new names in there, especially one like Renee who stands out over the other commentators down in NXT who sound like they're doing Michael Cole impressions. I understand that wrestling is a macho sport, but if that's really your only hang up, I'd suggest people with issues with it watch something more down to their level. Like Sesame Street for example. Just be careful though as it has women on it and women are mindless dolts that get on your nerves.

 

[JoeFromTomsRiver]

I'm not sure what this has to do with "intelligence". But okay, I'm dumb. You have no idea what level of education I have or what I do for a living, but I'm mentally challenged because of my opinion about a woman doing wrestling commentary.

Telling me to watch Sesame Street is only a few notches above accusing me of living in my mother's basement when it comes to internet insults. You can do better than that.

Get over your god-complex. The human race will thrive or perish regardless of your internet police officer routine. And you're not the one to take on that role anyhow. Someone in that position needs to have more credentials than being a "Wrestlezone Hall of Famer", which along with having a dollar and change, can get you a double cheeseburger at McDonalds.

 

[klunderbunker]

I'm not sure what this has to do with "intelligence". But okay, I'm dumb.

First step to overcoming your problem is admitting it.

You have no idea what level of education I have or what I do for a living, but I'm mentally challenged because of my opinion about a woman doing wrestling commentary.

Education means very little in life. We've had a President of the United States that went to Yale University and couldn't manage a Burger King but one of the smartest and most well read men I've ever met has a high school diploma and can fix any machine you put in front of him. I wasn't insulting your book knowledge, but rather your lack of sophistication as a human being.

Telling me to watch Sesame Street is only a few notches above accusing me of living in my mother's basement when it comes to internet insults. You can do better than that.

Oh I assure you I can and I have. I just didn't want to befuddle you with more than you could handle.

Get over your god-complex. The human race will thrive or perish regardless of your internet police officer routine.

If I were a police officer, I would have put you in Prison or infracted you. This is pointing out the flaws in your logic and basic ignorance. It's more of an internet lawyer than police officer. I would expect someone of your, ahem, higher intelligence to understand the difference.

And you're not the one to take on that role anyhow. Someone in that position needs to have more credentials than being a "Wrestlezone Hall of Famer", which along with having a dollar and change, can get you a double cheeseburger at McDonalds.

Well let's see. You said I don't know your credentials but apparently you can criticize mine. Interesting how that works.

I'd also advise you to address what we're talking about rather than just insulting me, as your post could be considered spamming.

Anyway, the more I think about this the less sense it makes. I've seen people make the same comments about female commentators, but it still doesn't stick with me. I did once get annoyed at them, and then it became more along the lines of "what difference does it make?" They're doing their job and as long as they sound well read and not annoying, they're really just window dressing more than anything that matters.

 

[jmt225]

I have this problem when it comes to women trying to do comedy... it just doesn't get over with me. When I read yesterday that they were looking to reboot Ghostbusters with an all female cast, I wanted to fucking barf.

However, commentary wise... I love Renee Young on NXT, and I'd actually much prefer her over anyone they currently have on Raw or Smackdown (especially JBL). When it comes to Doris Burke calling NBA games or Beth Mowins/Pam Ward doing college football games, I think they do a fine job. It doesn't distract me at all that I'm hearing a woman's voice while watching a game. Honestly, if I'm watching sports or sports entertainment, I'm going to be much more into the action going on than the talking over it, UNLESS the commentators are being purposely obnoxious, trying to steal the spotlight, which JBL/Cole constantly does.

Renee doesn't make it about herself on NXT and that's why I like her. Any commentator who just calls the action, is well spoken, and puts over the product in the ring will be cool in my book.

That said, is it sexist for you not to like a woman calling a wrestling match because she's a woman? Sure, but it's also sexist of me to not give all female cast comedies a chance ever again after seeing that overrated dog shit that was Bridemaids, so who am I to judge? We all have something "sexist" in our views, but it doesn't make someone a bad person, especially when it's as irrelevant as complaining about a woman doing wrestling commentary or bitching about an all female cast for the fucking Ghostbusters.

 

[JoeFromTomsRiver]

I'd also advise you to address what we're talking about rather than just insulting me, as your post could be considered spamming.

Here you go again with your advice. I'll take it under advisement as the LAST thing I'd want is an infraction. I'm not sure I can handle the indignity. I don't take this place as seriously as you. I won't have trouble sleeping knowing that I have an infraction.

I've already addressed "what we're talking about". My recent replies are in direct response to the personal insults about intelligence and the ludicrous claims by some others that I "need help".

I'll take the high ground from this point forward, and won't continue to reply. You can take that as some kind of victory if you want. I'm sure your hall-of-fame career is filled with instances of getting the last word in.

In closing, let me say again that I would PREFER to not hear a woman doing commentary during a wrestling program. If someone other than Renee Young comes along and changes my mind, I'll make sure to come on here and acknowledge the change of heart.

For the record, when it comes to IMPORTANT things in society, like a woman running for the Presidency, I'm not against it. I would not automatically vote for the man in the race. I was talking about an insignificant piece of life, a television show.

 

[The Butcher]

Commentary in WWE is bad across the board. It's always been the weak link of NXT. There's certainly a good reason or two to dislike just about any broadcaster they have before resorting to sexism.

As for the larger issue of female broadcasters in major sports, I'm simply just not used to them. A quick search returned this 2011 article that points out that, up to that time, only 4 women were calling or had called major national football (NCAA/NFL) games. The number has grown, and I've watched a fair number of football and basketball games called by women over the years. Even still, it's pretty hard to get accustomed to something so rare. As the pool of play-by-play gals increases, so too will the odds that a female Keith Jackson or Marv Alberts emerges.

 

[d_henderson1810]

That is NOT what freedom of speech means. That means he can say whatever he wants without it breaking the law. Anyone else is still perfectly entitled to make any judgement they want, and in this case - it's the correct one.

Not liking a female commentator is absolutely fine. Saying that you don't like a commentator solely because they are a woman is sexist and has absolutely no place in modern-day society.

It can't be correct, because it is an OPINION.

Opinions aren't right or wrong, they are not based on fact, so you can't say that it is, unless you can prove your point of view.

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

However, opinions can't have assholes, but there are plenty of assholes who have opinions (you are a case in point).