Call me a sexist if you want....

[OYDK]

Shit man, I'll take a woman who does a good job at calling matches, putting wrestlers over, and telling an intriguing story in the booth over men who spend the majority of a 3 hour show arguing like little school girls, any day of the week. I mean, if the one thing that would actually make you turn off WWE programming for good is, having to listen to a woman call a wrestling match, than yup that's a little sexist.

Seriously, Cole and JBL are terrible and at this point I would welcome anybody over those two. At least Renee is passionate about the WWE and knows what her job is. Cole and JBL spend 3 hours talking about themselves, getting into petty arguments, having asinine conversations, and burying the Diva's division. The fact that you would rather listen to those clowns than Renee simply because they have deep voices, doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[Navi]

Jesus Christ I can't believe that in 2014 we're even having this discussion. Okay here goes.

I love Renee Young and think she's made great inroads in a to say the least male dominated profession, and instead of giving her kudo's for it, she get's slammed. To me she's the ultimate wrestling fan, knows her stuff, isn't afraid to ask tough questions and she gets the responses that a man wouldn't. Would rather listen to her talk about a match than half the shit we put up with now. At least she doesn't phone it in like some of the other's, King I'm looking at you, do.

She seems the most genuine out of the lot, with Regal running a close second. Just because she's a woman doesn't mean a damm thing to me, mainly because well, I'm a woman as well, and from the same city as Renee comes from.

So you go girl, show them what you are made of. Nothing wrong with putting a few cracks in that glass ceiling, (can't believe I just typed that) but yea fuck it, we need more like her.

 

[Tastycles]

The one thing I will say is that I enjoy having an actual wrestler as the colour commentator alongside the Play by Play guy, as they often have had experience of being in the ring with the competitors in the ring. At the end of the day its personal preferance. People have their own favourites, and no doubt Renee Young is a favourite of some people. That doesnt make anyone sexist. Just as some people didnt like Booker T's style of commentary....they aren't racist. They just don't like his voice while they are watching wrestling.

And that's fine. Saying you don't like Booker T is fine. Saying you don't like Renee Young is fine. Saying prima facie, I don't like all black or women commentators is obviously bigoted. I'm glad that the majority here see that.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I enjoy Renee Young's commentary. Ultimately, it doesn't really matter to me if a commentator is male or female, as long as they're able to go a good job and convey to the audience that they actually know what they're talking about. Renee Young's able to do that, in my opinion and do it in a way that helps her stand apart from the male commentators in a way that has nothing to do with her gender. For instance, after listening to Jerry Lawler crack jokes for 20+ years, most of which MIGHT have been funny back in the 1950s, it's a welcome change.

In today's world of extreme examples of political correctness, WWE has to be careful over any sort of controversy whether or not there's any genuine truth to it. During the Attitude Era, women in WWE were mostly used as *********ory fodder and, all in all, it's what they've been used for primarily up until the past year or so, albeit to a much more toned down degree compared to the Attitude Era. There'll always be some degree of scrutiny in how WWE treats female employees because they're not treated with the same degree of equality as the male employees. Some call it sexism, I simply call it reality as women's wrestling isn't a draw and never really has been.

This past Monday on Raw, Stephanie & Brie Bella closed out Raw in the main event spot, one of the only times I can recall a women's segment doing so, and I have a feeling it was responsible for the overall audience tanking in the 3rd hour. The 8 & 9 pm hours drew 4.391 and 4.511 million viewers respectively, but I have a feeling a lot of people tuned out for the main event segment as the average audience went from 4.511 in hour 2 to 4.050 for hour 3.

 

[Mustang Sally]

You need to really reevaluate your views on this.

I have no problems with the OP's views. He isn't saying he believes women shouldn't be broadcasting sports...... he's just saying his own personal preference is to not have to listen to them do it.

 

[CyberPunk]

It might be about taste, but it's also about how used to you are to that. for a long time, WWE commentary (or for that matter, sports commentary) has been handled by males. Some have been great, some not so much.

If Renee calling a match for you turns you off, it could be your preference. but then again, may be you haven't given much time to yourself to get used to it. Sometimes it's about habit. I am pretty sure that if she continues for a year as commentator, you'll eventually get used to her voice. I personally enjoy what I've heard from her so far, and it doesn't distract me from the in ring product, so I am fine with it. It could be because I've gotten used to women commentating in sports. My be you'll get used to as well.

 

[Blade]

Yeah, and if I then respond to her post, I'll be getting private messages from guys on here telling me to not "pick on" a woman. It's happened before, and it's pathetic.

Okay, well clearly you're dealing with some other issues on the side...

That scenario doesn't make any sense. A deep-voiced woman is doing commentary, then I find out it was actually a man? Why would I have thought it was a woman from the get-go?

As in, what you assume to be a deep-voiced woman. Like, do I literally have to spell out the entire hypothetical for you, step by step?

I am all for equal rights. But I am less likely to support them when close-minded fools like you are speaking for them. If you want equality for all, good for you. I wish you well. If you want to talk about people's rights, start considering the rights of those you are targeting.

Wait, so after saying you could never enjoy a female commentator, you call another person close-minded? And you don't understand the hypocrisy of that?

Okay, let me spell it out for you. Some people like Renee Young, and that's cool. Some people don't like her, and that's fine too. THAT'S a preference, not sexism. But to claim that you could never enjoy any woman on commentary no matter her talent or the situation is generalising. And generalising is sexism, see?

Equal rights isn't all about giving women the same salaries as men. It's also about giving any woman a chance the same way you'd give a man a chance. In this instance, giving any woman a chance at commentary before deciding if you like her or not, rather than immediately dismissing her because of her gender.

Ugh. Never mind. No matter what I' say, you won't change your mind. I'll write out logical points, and you won't understand. I could use really tiny words and diagrams and you wouldn't understand.

 

[JoeFromTomsRiver]

I have no problems with the OP's views. He isn't saying he believes women shouldn't be broadcasting sports...... he's just saying his own personal preference is to not have to listen to them do it.

Thank you.

Oddly enough, one of the people who took umbrage with my post, Blade, was actually being "sexist" in a way himself by assuming that you would be offended by my post.

 

[HeenanGorilla]

Wait, so after saying you could never enjoy a female commentator, you call another person close-minded? And you don't understand the hypocrisy of that?

Wow, what a great point! And as soon as you show me where I said I could never enjoy a female commentator, I will address it.

You people are so pumped up about defending your positions on this that you forget the basics--like reading and comprehension.

I don't enjoy female commentators. There is nothing close-minded about that. I COULD enjoy one. I just haven't yet.

 

[Gaming24/7]

Its just so easy to act incredibly offended these days and get butt hurt over every little thing its just so easy to take that moral high ground I could say,

" How dare you say a woman shouldn't commentate on wrestling this is 2014 you know not the dark ages, what an incredibly rude and callous opinion to have your a sexist and most probably a racist evil Nazi as well."

However we know that's a load of crap, people will result to political correctness to shut down a viable debate to just dismiss someone saying truths that they don't agree with. I'd imagine a majority of wrestling viewers would want a man commentating because even thought we know its all scripted we still opt to believe in what we are seeing by watching, and watching two men fighting you don't want some high pitch distracting voice, it would be like ryback hosting a cooking show, some things do just not work , those acting all butt hurt taking the moral high ground should just accept the fact that there's a good proportion of people who don't accept this change and considering you obviously liked the product anyway unless you just started watching because of renee then perhaps you should stop trying ruin it for other people and try to claim the moral high ground in the process.

 

[Un-Bo-Lievable Jeff]

I'm going to take a gamble and say i'm 99% sure you have an issue with this because it is uncommon. Female commentators are not so common in football, soccer, basketball and baseball because usually commentators are ex pros who know what they are talking about.

Before you jump down my throat, I know women play these sports, but these are more commonly male sports.

All the golf coverage in the UK is done by men. I'm no sexist, but it would be very strange to hear a women doing this coverage as it is out of the norm.

Alternatively in the UK, it would be random to hear anybody but Sue Barker hosting Wimbledon on a regular basis.

My point being, I can understand the OP's feelings towards her being on the show, but maybe give her a chance rather than cutting her down right away

 

[Blade]

Wow, what a great point! And as soon as you show me where I said I could never enjoy a female commentator, I will address it.

You people are so pumped up about defending your positions on this that you forget the basics--like reading and comprehension.

I don't enjoy female commentators. There is nothing close-minded about that. I COULD enjoy one. I just haven't yet.

Except how could you enjoy a female commentator if you would most likely change the channel upon hearing one, something which you definitely did say? If you can't give one a chance then you could never actually wind up liking one.

If you're assuming something about a group, then yeah, you are close minded. You just said "I don't enjoy female commentators." Claiming that it's just your preference doesn't mean you're not generalising. If someone says "I don't enjoy working with black people." then it's his preference, but it's also generalising the shit out of black people and clearly showing some prejudice in your preferences.

 

[blueskyy]

Alternatively in the UK, it would be random to hear anybody but Sue Barker hosting Wimbledon on a regular basis.

Okay, not trying to go off-topic...

Sue Barker's good. Anyone who watches Tennis should know about her.

 

[HeenanGorilla]

Except how could you enjoy a female commentator if you would most likely change the channel upon hearing one, something which you definitely did say? If you can't give one a chance then you could never actually wind up liking one.

If you're assuming something about a group, then yeah, you are close minded. You just said "I don't enjoy female commentators." Claiming that it's just your preference doesn't mean you're not generalising. If someone says "I don't enjoy working with black people." then it's his preference, but it's also generalising the shit out of black people and clearly showing some prejudice in your preferences.

So, instead of admitting you misquoted me, you glance over it and change the argument? Strong move! Is it prejudice if I guess the rest of your response will be awful? Maybe, but I turned out to be right anyway.

I would give them a chance. Based on the women I have heard thus far, I would be surprised if I kept the game on. Maybe I would, but most likely I would not. Again, your illiteracy hurt you there.

I'll say it again-- I don't enjoy female commentators. If that means I'm generalizing..ok! I'm not scared to generalize. You are so scared to not give every person on the planet a fair shake. My choice of who I listen to effects no one but me. It offends no one but you. The female announcer doesn't know I pressed a button on my remote. You are just someone who wants every person everywhere to be given an equal chance. You know what? There isn't time to try everything in life. You try things, you make decisions, you go on with the knowledge you have. Might I miss out on a wonderful female announcer? Maybe, but I'm ok with that. It's my choice. You choose to fight against non-equality with very little smarts. That's your choice.

As to your nonsensical black person example, you sure got fired up about something that...you said. haha! "generalizing the shit out of black people"?? Who brought that up? You did. I know you were going for an analogy--for some unknown reason--but you swung and missed.

I have listened to male announcers and I have listened to female announcers. There are male announcers I like. There are male announcers I don't like. There are female announcers I don't like. I have yet to hear one I do like. To take that as me being anything other than someone who has not yet enjoyed a female announcer is nonsense.

Enjoy giving everything under the sun the same chance as everything else. You won't have wasted your time at all.

 

[Blade]

So, instead of admitting you misquoted me, you glance over it and change the argument? Strong move! Is it prejudice if I guess the rest of your response will be awful? Maybe, but I turned out to be right anyway.

I didn't misquote you, because I didn't quote you. I just repeated what you said with the subtext included. Y'know, as subtle and well chosen as your words were, it wasn't exactly hard to see the subtext.

I would give them a chance. Based on the women I have heard thus far, I would be surprised if I kept the game on. Maybe I would, but most likely I would not. Again, your illiteracy hurt you there.

Right, I'm illiterate. Just like how anyone who writes "I'm not racist, but..." must not be racist. I mean, duh, they just said they're weren't racist, right? There can't be any racist subtext in what they're about to say.

I have black friends, gay friends, white friends, female friends, Asian friends...and not wanting to hear them on TV doesn't make me a "phobe" for their respective cultures.

Ah. The "I can't be racist, I have black friends" defence. A classic.

Of course, you'll say I'm misquoting you again to try feel less sexist. But you don't want to hear women commentating sports and you wouldn't have said the above words to defend yourself if it wasn't true.

I'll say it again-- I don't enjoy female commentators. If that means I'm generalizing..ok! I'm not scared to generalize.

So you admit that you're okay with generalising.

Well then, thanks for proving my point for me. 'ppreciate it.

You are so scared to not give every person on the planet a fair shake. My choice of who I listen to effects no one but me. It offends no one but you. The female announcer doesn't know I pressed a button on my remote.

You're joking right? You must be trolling.

If more people had your attitude, then ratings plummet, and the hypothetical female commentator loses their job because sexists ***** can't deal with a woman talking about sport, regardless of how talented or competent she is. BECAUSE RAWR MANLINESS.

But of course, she deserved to get fired, right? Because she caused the bad ratings?

You are just someone who wants every person everywhere to be given an equal chance. You know what? There isn't time to try everything in life. You try things, you make decisions, you go on with the knowledge you have. Might I miss out on a wonderful female announcer? Maybe, but I'm ok with that. It's my choice.

Again, the "it doesn't harm anyone else" attitude doesn't really work as a defense when it comes to prejudice. Because if enough other people share your sexist attitude, then the combined ignorance does actually harm people.

As to your nonsensical black person example, you sure got fired up about something that...you said. haha! "generalizing the shit out of black people"?? Who brought that up? You did. I know you were going for an analogy--for some unknown reason--but you swung and missed.

I'm sorry, was it too complicated a comparison for you? Okay, I'll try speak slower and with smaller words this time. Try to keep up.

Black people assumptions bad. Women assumptions also bad.

Did you get it that time, buddy?

I have listened to male announcers and I have listened to female announcers. There are male announcers I like. There are male announcers I don't like. There are female announcers I don't like. I have yet to hear one I do like. To take that as me being anything other than someone who has not yet enjoyed a female announcer is nonsense.

Enjoy giving everything under the sun the same chance as everything else. You won't have wasted your time at all.

If you're wondering what that whooshing noise was, it was the point flying over your head.

 

[TheHellmouth]

Is this seriously a topic? Why would someone make a thread about this when they know it's just gonna result in a giant flame war. What discussion could you even get other than
"Yes, I'm still stuck in the 20th Century too, I agree"
or
"What the fuck man? What would your daughters think. YOUR A SEXIST PIG"

For the record I think this is an idiotic "preference" to have, but it's not like the OP said Renee Young shouldn't be allowed the opportunity or anything. I just don't see the purpose of this being made a thread at all.

 

[HeenanGorilla]

I didn't misquote you, because I didn't quote you. I just repeated what you said with the subtext included. Y'know, as subtle and well chosen as your words were, it wasn't exactly hard to see the subtext.



Right, I'm illiterate. Just like how anyone who writes "I'm not racist, but..." must not be racist. I mean, duh, they just said they're weren't racist, right? There can't be any racist subtext in what they're about to say.



Ah. The "I can't be racist, I have black friends" defence. A classic.

Of course, you'll say I'm misquoting you again to try feel less sexist. But you don't want to hear women commentating sports and you wouldn't have said the above words to defend yourself if it wasn't true.



So you admit that you're okay with generalising.

Well then, thanks for proving my point for me. 'ppreciate it.



You're joking right? You must be trolling.

If more people had your attitude, then ratings plummet, and the hypothetical female commentator loses their job because sexists ***** can't deal with a woman talking about sport, regardless of how talented or competent she is. BECAUSE RAWR MANLINESS.

But of course, she deserved to get fired, right? Because she caused the bad ratings?



Again, the "it doesn't harm anyone else" attitude doesn't really work as a defense when it comes to prejudice. Because if enough other people share your sexist attitude, then the combined ignorance does actually harm people.



I'm sorry, was it too complicated a comparison for you? Okay, I'll try speak slower and with smaller words this time. Try to keep up.

Black people assumptions bad. Women assumptions also bad.

Did you get it that time, buddy?



If you're wondering what that whooshing noise was, it was the point flying over your head.

Haha! Yeah the point went over my head--THAT'S why you don't make sense. Why do you keep bringing black people into this sexism topic? I think you're an asshole--does that make me racist? No. I just happen to think you are an asshole.

I'm going to stop my argument now because my thoughts were clear and made sense and your issues with being black are apparent. I'll go on not listening to female announcers and not matching wits with unarmed morons--at least I don't feel prejudice now. You supplied plenty of proof that you are a fool with no clue. Good luck with your self-loathing and mission to rid the world of intelligent people. Keep up the good sense and smarts!

 

[JoeFromTomsRiver]

Is this seriously a topic? Why would someone make a thread about this when they know it's just gonna result in a giant flame war. What discussion could you even get other than
"Yes, I'm still stuck in the 20th Century too, I agree"
or
"What the fuck man? What would your daughters think. YOUR A SEXIST PIG"

For the record I think this is an idiotic "preference" to have, but it's not like the OP said Renee Young shouldn't be allowed the opportunity or anything. I just don't see the purpose of this being made a thread at all.

Don't give me that. This is a valid topic. There has never been a female commentator on a wrestling program and I started a thread about my opinion on it. If it turns into a "flame war", so be it, it comes with the territory on message boards.

And I've seen people get more vicious with each other on topics about "CM Punk" chants at live events for god's sake.

 

[theblasterkid]

I think for the most part that we are used to listening to guys do commentary. I admit that everything I hear her talk I can't but help to say she's hot. She is better than Cole and JBL though. Regal and her make a good commentary duo.

 

[Spidey Revivey]

As much as I understand having a female commentator coming in would be a jarring change that would personally impact our experience as viewers, anything at this point would be better than the dull fucks left to call the matches right now. Pretty much all I have to say on the subject.

 

[Uncle Sam]

You're sexist. You also shouldn't use ellipsis in thread titles but that's the lesser offense.

The wider problem is the industry that has fostered this attitude. The wider, wider problem is the society that has fostered this attitude. Women have been excluded from roles for which they are perfectly qualified - e.g. from commentary - for so long, and so vehemently, that when they finally do occupy these roles for which they are perfectly qualified, it's something to be remarked upon. Worse yet, people see it as something to be stamped out.

 

[Headman]

I naturally assume female commentators don't know what they're talking about because quite frankly they don't. There are no women working in broadcasting who have left me with the feeling that they have legit knowledge of pro or college football and the same is true in wrestling. I listen to them and I'm immediately reminded of a little girl quoting facts she read on the internet to try and relate to her daddy during a ball game. Maybe Trish or Lita would have more credibility but mic work isn't either of their strong suits.

 

[NegativeFeedback]

I personally hate her commentary, probably because he lacks any ounce of chemistry with Alex Riley and they keep pairing her up. She's much better when she's announcing solo with Regal, because he gets to lead the conversations.

My opinion isn't sexist. It has nothing to do with the fact that she's a woman. Some people might erroneously label me a sexist because I'm criticizing the only female announcer in WWE. But I'm just calling it how I see it. She needs a lot of work, and it's good she's only on NXT and Superstars while others call the main shows. It should be acceptable to criticize anyone, despite their race, gender or sexual orientation.

That being said, you are definitely sexist. You're not criticizing her commentary, you're criticizing the fact that she's a woman doing commentary. That's some Mad Men-level sexism you have going on in that brain of yours.

I don't get why you have a problem with her being a woman. Maybe you're confused, and you just have the same criticisms I have, but you're mis-attributing it to her gender. Or maybe you're just a dick. Who knows? All I know is that what you wrote is despicable and deserving of all the bullshit people have been throwing your way.

If you don't want to be labeled a sexist, don't say something sexist, invite people to call you sexist, and then try defending yourself.

What you said is no different than saying Byron Saxton is a great announcer, but you just don't want to see a black guy talk about white people wrestling. Or Jim Ross was a great announcer, but you're glad he's gone because you don't want to see a fatty talk about real men fighting.

You're embracing a despicable discriminatory attitude and acting as if it's okay. You need help.

 

[d_henderson1810]

Wow. So just because she has nothing dangling between her legs, she can't talk about sports? Does it also bother you that she isn't in a kitchen all day?

You need to really reevaluate your views on this. This is absolutely not acceptable. Don't look at Young as a "cutsy" blonde. Look at her as a human being.

If you were truly sorry, you wouldn't have this reprehensible view.

This is no different than the people who have racist or homophobic views. In the end, it's all discrimination and you are adding to it.

Oh no, here we go again!

Get this through your thick head, nitwit, but there is something called "freedom of speech".

That means that this guy gets to say that he doesn't like female commentators without you pulling out the "sexist" cards.

You know, I envy blacks, gays and women for one thing. Whenever anyone makes a criticism towards one of their groups, they now have a slur, a name that they throw, which silences all arguments. Forget about trying to provide a convincing argument why a female commentator is just as good as a male one, this feminist instead throws the chauvinist card EVERY TIME anyone dare suggest that women aren't better than men, every day in every way.

I think women should have the same opportunity to be commentators, and if she is good, she does the commentator, provided she is across the subject and can put two words together. But if the OP doesn't want to listen to that, that is his right, without being called a woman-hater.

Gee, I hate the PC police. They talk about rights, but then oppose anyone who disagrees with them. People who yell "racist", "sexist", "homophobe" are just acting childish. If people don't like you, that's their problem. Screw them. So get over it, and don't let them define you.

 

[King_of_Swing1520]

its sexist but its also human nature. sports broadcasting, at least play by play and during the game and stuff, is a male dominated field. humans are edverce to change. if women had been the only ones on commentary and then men started to do it you would probly have the same view just in reverse. honestly the only good woman sports broadcaster ive heard is doris burke on espn. that woman knows basketball