Calgary Region, Third Round: Last Man Standing: (1) Steve Austin vs. (9) CM Punk

[Teddy Irving]

My point about him taking out evan bourne was that he came onto a show and put somebody on the shelf just because he could. It is irrelevant who it was it was the fact that he done it just because he could.

You going to go interupt a young kids birthday party and terrify them? No you're not and why because that is just not something that somebody does to a child you have to be a heartless prick to be doing something like that.

Oh im sorry CM Punk didn't drop somebody in a car tens of feet to the ground in the PG era. Is it Punks fault he is part of an era where a chair shot is seeing as absolutely devistating? Austin was part of an era where chair shots were nothing big they just kind of happened and that was the end of that. The fact that Punk is part of an era where a man was fired for choking somebody with a tie shows you that he can't pull off the things austin did in the attitude era.

As for the pedigree winning a LMS match i thought he beat Jericho had Fully loaded with it but that was my bad it was with a backdrop through the announcers table. But at the same time the Pedigree puts people down for about an 8/9 count in LMS matchs so put it on the top rope and you can easily get a 10 count. Want to see the pedigree but somebody resiliant down for the 9 count look up HHH v HBK last man standing match.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

If Punk can't pull off the things Austin has done, how's he magically going to do them now? Let's have Austin's daughter come out in the middle of the match and Punk sing her a song.

 

[The Crock]

Did he really just bring up how Punk hit a woman ONCE?! ONCE?! And it was Beth Phoenix too! Come on! Austin gave the stunner to many women, most notably Stephanie and Linda McMahon. If that doesn't show how little Austin cares then I don't know what does. Whatever you say about Punk, Austin has done better. 2 MITB wins don't make any difference either. Punk probably spent a good 5 minutes just laying around at multiple stretches through that match. In a Last Man Standing Match, you will be relentlessly attacked, and you can't stay down for more than 9 seconds. That doesn't give Punk any time to rest up nice and good and then swoop in once all the dirty work is done to get a win.

 

[CH David]

I love Punk but he isn't going to win this. Austin is the probably the toughest son of a bitch in wrestling. He has no problem taking a whack at someone with a chair, just ask the Rock. Punk would throw everything he has at Austin, and Austin would be up at 8 or 9. The only way Punk wins this is to get Austin so freakin' drunk that he passes out for the 10. I don't see that happening.

 

[Teddy Irving]

Bring Austin into todays WWE and see if austin is capable of doing all those things that he did back in the attitude era? Will he do them? No he wont because he wouldn't be on the show if he did. The fact that Punk isn't allowed to do these things doesn't mean he wouldn't. Punk is extremely manipulative and always as a game plan going into a match. He has what it takes to put austin down for the 10 count.

Did he really just bring up how Punk hit a woman ONCE?! ONCE?! And it was Beth Phoenix too! Come on! Austin gave the stunner to many women, most notably Stephanie and Linda McMahon. If that doesn't show how little Austin cares then I don't know what does. Whatever you say about Punk, Austin has done better. 2 MITB wins don't make any difference either. Punk probably spent a good 5 minutes just laying around at multiple stretches through that match. In a Last Man Standing Match, you will be relentlessly attacked, and you can't stay down for more than 9 seconds. That doesn't give Punk any time to rest up nice and good and then swoop in once all the dirty work is done to get a win.

I brought up the fact that Punk hit Beth Pheonix because i was asked would punk hit a women which i believe shows he is willing to do so. Austin hit women alot in a time where it wasn't as shocking to see it happen. Since PG era has hit in fully effect i think we have seen 2 women hit intentionally. The people to do it? Orton and Punk. Anyone that was in the money in the bank was down for big amounts of time because that is how the match is scripted. I have seen people stay down for 10 seconds from many finishers when its not a last man standing but that is not the same thing is it? No its not because when in a lms they will get up. Swoop in after all the dirty work was done? Punk did alot of damage in those mitb matchs aswell its not as if he just sat around doing nothing then snook in for the win.

 

[INDYjon22]

This would be a good match, but Austin would win. His whole career was built on being the toughest son of a bitch out there and that meant never giving up and never staying down. I do think this match would be brutal but not a lot of guys have ever gone toe to toe with Austin in a match like this, where weapons will be used, and come out victorious. Punk would have to literally break Austin's neck to keep him down and we've seen him get up from that as well. Austin wins.

 

[hatehabsforever]

Gotta love CM Punk, especially in his current heel version, but come on now, this is Stone Cold Steve Austin we are talking about. And in a Last Man Standing match no less. Punk is a great wrestler with an excellent character, and really good mic skills. But Stone Cold is the second greatest of all time. And there is simply no way he is going to be defeated by CM Punk in a match of this format.

I see a reasonably good showing by Punk in this one, but in the end, a comfortable victory for Austin.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

C.M. Punk would not win in a straight up wrestling match against Steve Austin. Hell, it's almost hard to think Punk could ever defeat Steve Austin in any style of match - except for one that allows for the rules to be thrown out. *gasp* Wait a tick, that would be this style of match, wouldn't it?

My vote is going to C.M. Punk because people are assuming too much that Austin would roll over Punk due to multiple things from the different career paths they took, to the fact that Austin's bigger and meaner, to even the dumbest of things like the impact both have made in the sport. But what people need to take into consideration is that Punk doesn't have to win this match - alone.

Now, before I get shit on and jumped from using the interference angle, how many people can tell me how often Austin lost? (Don't worry, it's rhetorical) The broad answer would be "not often". However, when he has, 9 out of 10 times it's been due to the numbers game and the rules being a non-factor.

Punk has lead, and been apart of many factions over the course of his career. Steve Austin heading into this match, would likely be the Austin that was always fighting off the numbers. This favors Punk, because it's a tournament setting and with exception of the KotR that Austin won - tournaments have never favored Steve Austin, namely due to the numbers game.

Think back to the 1998 Survivor Series. Steve Austin lost because of the Corp. and the numbers game. Think back to the Unification Heavyweight Tournament. Steve Austin lost, due to the numbers game. Punk has more of a chance to win this match because of the odds favoring him against a guy who loses the most through these situations than anyone else.

Vote C.M. Punk.

 

[Nate DaMac]

C.M. Punk would not win in a straight up wrestling match against Steve Austin. Hell, it's almost hard to think Punk could ever defeat Steve Austin in any style of match - except for one that allows for the rules to be thrown out. *gasp* Wait a tick, that would be this style of match, wouldn't it?

My vote is going to C.M. Punk because people are assuming too much that Austin would roll over Punk due to multiple things from the different career paths they took, to the fact that Austin's bigger and meaner, to even the dumbest of things like the impact both have made in the sport. But what people need to take into consideration is that Punk doesn't have to win this match - alone.

Now, before I get shit on and jumped from using the interference angle, how many people can tell me how often Austin lost? (Don't worry, it's rhetorical) The broad answer would be "not often". However, when he has, 9 out of 10 times it's been due to the numbers game and the rules being a non-factor.

Punk has lead, and been apart of many factions over the course of his career. Steve Austin heading into this match, would likely be the Austin that was always fighting off the numbers. This favors Punk, because it's a tournament setting and with exception of the KotR that Austin won - tournaments have never favored Steve Austin, namely due to the numbers game.

Think back to the 1998 Survivor Series. Steve Austin lost because of the Corp. and the numbers game. Think back to the Unification Heavyweight Tournament. Steve Austin lost, due to the numbers game. Punk has more of a chance to win this match because of the odds favoring him against a guy who loses the most through these situations than anyone else.

Vote C.M. Punk.

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Let's compare here.

Farooq, Kama, D'Lo, and Henry>SES or New Nexus. Not debatable.

Rock>Punk. Also, not debatable.

Going into this match I had already assumed that Punk would have one of his less than effective factions alongside him as the match began, but Austin has already proven that factions of curtain jerkers with one credible leader do not phase him. This isn't the corporation, this is the New Nexus and SES.

Vote Austin.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Let's compare here.

Alright, I'll bite.

Farooq, Kama, D'Lo, and Henry>SES or New Nexus.

Hmm, the pacman sign indicates to me that you believe a group of midcard undervachievers, that were once lead by a former (first-evah) black Heavyweight Champion, are not as talented as a group of rookies who've single handedly (well, single as in 7 on 1 odds) taken over shows, destroyed top named opponents, and constantly found ways to help their leader win against the Main Event guys on whatever show they're on.

Not debatable.

Oh, but I already typed all that out. Alright, I suppose, forget it happened then.

Rock>Punk.

I can see how you probably wouldn't believe Punk could pull off being a fairy, or a high dollar football player with a bastard daugher. It's his straight edge lifestyle that really prevents him from making you believe his morals could be lowered to those levels.

Also, not debatable.

Wait, now come on! Seriously, are we going to debate ANYTHING?! Or did you just specifically put "not debatable" behind everything that was debatable, because you wanted to hope people just.. uh.. wouldn't?

Austin has already proven that factions of curtain jerkers with one credible leader do not phase him.

I can completely understand how you'd come to believe that Steve Austin wouldn't be beaten by a group of curtain jerkers, and midcarders who've never really accomplished anything in their careers. Not at ALL like Test, Bossman, or Shamrock, during their time in the Corp.

Surely that whole thing (that lasted roughly under a year or so) was just a fluke that Austin kept getting screwed and losing vitally important matches because of those guys.

This isn't the corporation, this is the New Nexus and SES.

And this tournament isn't being ran strictly by the WWE, yet people want to assume that Austin would win solely on the fact that the guy was mainly unbeatable in the WWE.. except, when he faced factions in tournaments.

Dammit, me at that silly fact. Just keeps coming back up. Strange.

You're right, this isn't a faction of guys that were huge disappointments in life. It's a group of guys that help their leader win the important matches.

Last time I checked, recently, Punk has beaten Cena - thanks to his Nexus group. Now, considering a lot of the times when Punk has won due to his friends - he's had to have them help without the official knowing they did. This isn't even the case at all.

Nexus, SES, whoever - they can all help, and all remain solidly involved from the opening bell to the ending one. Austin has to out-last them, AND keep Punk down and out for a count of 10. I'm sure if this were the WWE, it'd be possible - but it isn't, and the numbers game out lasts a drunk.

Vote Austin.

No.

 

[Muffin Top Merkley]

The story leading up to this match would be simply fantastic.

Austin is a brawler and a tough one at that. He's competed in plenty of hard hitting matches; the Three Tiers of Hell match against HHH instantly springs to mind (I apologize is Punk has some incredible, brutal match in ROH that I haven't seen that could compare to that match.)

Austin’s style is as simple as shoot first, ask questions later. He’s not flashy or technical, he’s basic and hard-hitting which is exactly what the winner of this match needs to be.

CM Punk is much more methodical and technical, which while will allow him to gain some offense, Austin will always be one stunner away from resetting any of Punk’s momentum.

I see this match ending with Austin hitting Punk with a Stunner, then grabbing a chair, and continuously beating Punk in the same manner as he did to The Rock at the end of their match at WrestleMania X7.

 

[Nate DaMac]

Alright, I'll bite.

Please do.

Hmm, the pacman sign indicates to me that you believe a group of midcard undervachievers, that were once lead by a former (first-evah) black Heavyweight Champion, are not as talented as a group of rookies who've single handedly (well, single as in 7 on 1 odds) taken over shows, destroyed top named opponents, and constantly found ways to help their leader win against the Main Event guys on whatever show they're on.

Pssst.. Hey Will. CM Punk never led a faction of seven men before. I think you're thinking of the original faction, the one that Punk had nothing to do with. Those guys made an impact, but the only remaining member to stay in Punk's Nexus is Otunga. The guys he's leading (McGillicutty, Otunga, Ryan, and Husky) have done nothing of note.

Oh, but I already typed all that out. Alright, I suppose, forget it happened then.

Best for everyone if you do.

I can see how you probably wouldn't believe Punk could pull off being a fairy, or a high dollar football player with a bastard daugher. It's his straight edge lifestyle that really prevents him from making you believe his morals could be lowered to those levels.

No idea what you're talking about.

Wait, now come on! Seriously, are we going to debate ANYTHING?! Or did you just specifically put "not debatable" behind everything that was debatable, because you wanted to hope people just.. uh.. wouldn't?

Well honestly, I already proved you wrong with the first part and you didn't even truly combat the second part, so I'd say I was right in saying they're not debatable.

I can completely understand how you'd come to believe that Steve Austin wouldn't be beaten by a group of curtain jerkers, and midcarders who've never really accomplished anything in their careers. Not at ALL like Test, Bossman, or Shamrock, during their time in the Corp.

Surely that whole thing (that lasted roughly under a year or so) was just a fluke that Austin kept getting screwed and losing vitally important matches because of those guys.

Yeah.... really Will? You're comparing the Corporation to the New Nexus? Do I really have to explain why that is so asinine?

And this tournament isn't being ran strictly by the WWE, yet people want to assume that Austin would win solely on the fact that the guy was mainly unbeatable in the WWE.. except, when he faced factions in tournaments.

Dammit, me at that silly fact. Just keeps coming back up. Strange.

You're right, this isn't a faction of guys that were huge disappointments in life. It's a group of guys that help their leader win the important matches.

Last time I checked, recently, Punk has beaten Cena - thanks to his Nexus group. Now, considering a lot of the times when Punk has won due to his friends - he's had to have them help without the official knowing they did. This isn't even the case at all.

Nexus, SES, whoever - they can all help, and all remain solidly involved from the opening bell to the ending one. Austin has to out-last them, AND keep Punk down and out for a count of 10. I'm sure if this were the WWE, it'd be possible - but it isn't, and the numbers game out lasts a drunk.



No.

The SES couldn't even get Punk over Rey Mysterio, so their out of the conversation now.

The main thing that you seem to be missing is that Punk has never led the feared and dominate version of the Nexus. Sure, he's gotten a few wins over Cena because of them, but after all was said and done, Cena came out on top in that one.

The Corporation had Austin's number, but if you really compare the Corporation to the New Nexus, are the even really on the same level? You have Ken Shamrock(former IC and Tag Champion plus a main event run,) Bossman(Tag Champ, Hardcore Champ, involved in the 3 biggest eras in wrestling,) Test(IC Champ, Tag Champ, and at times a formidable main event guy,) all going against Otunga, McGillicutty, Husky, and Ryan, who have a one day Tag Title run between them.

Now the video I posted in my original rebuttal showed Austin destroying the entire Nation and beating The Rock. The reasoning behind that was to show that Austin has dominated an entire faction that have also proven to be way more formidable than the Nexus ever was. Now I'm not going to list off every reason why the Nation crushes Nexus as it should be common knowledge, but as one point to drive it home, the Nation helped Rock become IC Champion when it actually meant something. Nexus leaders have yet to gain a championship while leading the Nexus.

Are we done here?

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I'm a big fan of CM Punk. I think that he's one of the best overall young wrestlers in the world today and I hope very much to see him as a consistent main event fixture someday because he deserves to be there. He goes into this match, however, at a substantial disadvantage.

Punk is someone that hasn't really been tested in a hardcore type of setting, especially against someone ast tough as Stone Cold Steve Austin. Austin can be downright evil when he wants to be in this sort of setting. As has been mentioned, look what he did to The Rock at WM 17. He went absolutely medieval on Rock with that steel chair. I love Punk, but he's yet to have that moment in his career in which you look at him and say "that's one tough mother". I think he'd give Austin a competitive match and would have nothing to be ashamed of when it's over, but Austin goes over here.

 

[LSN80]

Both men were run-away winners during their matches in Round 2, and I don't anticipate this one being close either.

If I recall correctly, neither man has competed in a LMS standing match before, so there's noting to reference in essence. One thing that is notable during Austin's career is that he was extremely difficult to keep down, even for a 3 count. He won most of his feuds and his brawling style favors him in this style of atmosphere. As for Punk, he's lost most of his feud in his WWE career overall, including those to Chavo Guerrero, clean. No matter how vicious can be at times, his style just isn't as suited to this type of match that Austin's is. Forget Punk's backup, as they would have minimal effect on Austin. It would be a stunner for each of them, which would just fuel Austin's anger, which he would take out on Punk.

Punk may introduce a steel chair, which would be a big mistake. Thesz press from Austin, then a chair to Punk's gut, followed by a Stunner. Once Punk stumbled to his feet around the 5 second count, Austin would follow wth a second stunner. Punk may come to at 8, but a third steel chair shot followed by that 3rd Stunner would be lights out for Punk, and for longer then 10 seconds this time. Austin advances around the 18 minute mark, and thats being generous to Punk, really.