What Bubba said is misguided. I appreciate the concerns that Americans have, but in all honesty the money is a drop in the ocean to one country, and not to the other. I'm not attacking NSL here by any stretch of the imagination, but he has basically set out the problems that people have quite eloquently, and it makes more sense to address them directly.
I've always taken the guy to be a douchebag, but this actually made some sense. I agree with him. Why should we worry about a country that was already in turmoil, when we have enough problems on our home soil?
Because the problems on your home soil aren't going to disappear overnight, but the money could help Haiti save lives overnight. That is the difference. You would accrue as much debt in interest and three times as much in Iraq over a day, it really doesn't make a difference.
Haiti was still in shreds from all the hurricanes that tore through last year, and it wasn't about to be picked up before this year's hurricane season hit. In short, the country was, is, and always will be...FUCKED. So why take resources away from here, where we need them?
Because they need them more. Haiti is 500 miles from Miami. If you cut them off, you are going to have to deal with a much, much bigger problem with ilegal immigration for there. If their country is hospitable, they are more likely to stay.
They're spread thin as it is, and it's an unneeded risk for many of the people going there to help.
So just leave them to die, even though we have the resources to save them? Where's your sense of humanity?
If I lived in Haiti, of course I'd be begging for help. But, I don't, so I'm not...For Haiti. I am begging for help here though.
100,00 dead sucks, but the country has known nothing but death and sadness. Look at the number of homeless we have here, or the number dying from starvation, and the number without health insurance, who most likely will die, because they can't afford to see a doctor.
And your government is doing something about that with the healthcare reform act. It isn't a case of one thing but not the other. Governments have disaster budgets, which this would have come from. This $100 million would have been not spent at all if it didn't go to Haiti, it isn't being diverted away from anything.
Haiti has it's problems, and we have ours. Until we even start to fix what's going on at home, FUCK HAITI.
Haiti's problems are a matter of life and death. If you ignore it now, not only will you end up with a much worse humanitarian crisis in the future, you will end up with a massive immigration problem too. There is no way that the money that has gone to Haiti would make the slightest bit of difference to America's problems.
How many countries sent aid to help find bodies at Ground Zero? Where was all the help when New Orleans was under water? Where was the statement by
anyone when Ft. Hood was attacked from within?
I sincerely hope this is a joke. Do you know how much international aid was given to the US for Katrina? Billions. Qatar alone gave $100 million. Most developed countries sent hundreds of search and rescue workers. The Fort Hood incident was widely condemened by everyone. Seriously, just because your media is too fucking proud to tell you that your taking millions of dollars off India because your own government is leaving New Orleans to the dogs, don't assume aid isn't there.
A car bomb goes off in Sudan, and within minutes, there's a press conference from the President, saying our thoughts are with them, and blah blah blah...The same thing happens here, and you barely hear a peep out of someone.
Yeah, it's not as if 41 countries went to war because of a terrorist attack that happened to your country is it? There are almost as many Europeans in Afghanistan as there are Americans. There is a higher proportion of the British population in Afghanistan than there is of the American population, all because someone attacked you not us.
Don't you dare accuse the world of forgetting America when there are 18 year old boys from the UK, Canada, France, Germany etc. coming back in coffins because they are there reacting to a terrorist attack on your country.
Until people wake up and realize we're that friend that's being used for our resources, there is no need for us to continuously help countries that sit idly by as we fall apart.
Haiti do nothing because they can't. There are 41 countries with men in Afghanistan, and 5 waiting to send some there all to help you to avenge something that happened to you. There were 63 countries that offered aid after Katrina, including some of the poorest countries in the world in Equatorial Guinea and Bangladesh.
Exactly.
I can find a video of the planes crashing in to the towers, if you really need it. Or a video of a family getting swept away by the water in New Orleans. It's all on YouTube.
Ignoring the fact that the guy was clearly talking about the fact that the USA is rich enough to deal with its problems, we have still clearly established that this lack of support is a figment of your imagination. If Djibouti and Gabon can find money for you, then I think you can find support for equally poor countries.
Right, and this $100 million is going to leave the first five figures unchanged, assuming that it would otherwise be used to pay off the debt, which it wasn't.
There was no internal help. Look at what happened with Katrina. That was a disaster from before the hurricane even hit.
Blame Bush for that. The rest of the world was happy to help. There was a lot of aid turned away, in addition to the aid given that I have already talked about.
There was internal help for Ground Zero, but tell me you weren't expecting anyone to send some help. Even 100 volunteers. Something. There was nothing.
Was the 50,000 sent to Afghanistan not enough for you? Where were the American aid workers sent for the Madrid bombings? Where were they when the bombs went off on the tube? Where were they for the 30 years of IRA bombing? Not there, because it's not the same thing.
The response to a terrorist attack is not the same as the response to a natural disaster. A terrorist attack is one building, and by the time that the search and rescue workers get to a terrorist attack, local ones would have done most of what could be done. The scope of a natural disaster is much bigger, and a much bigger problem. There were foreign teams helping with the clear up of 9/11, but by then it wasn't really that much any more.
You, and you alone.
We can
claim to be anything we want. That doesn't make it a fact. Our dollar is almost worthless, we have no idea of when our economy will turn itself around, or if it will, and the country is falling apart from within. We have record numbers of unemployed, so we send our jobs to other countries.
So the last thing you can afford is a million Haitian refugees turning up in Florida then, right? Because that is the alternative.
We also have this nasty habit of meddling in other people's shit. Remember where it got us in Somalia? Did we learn our lesson? No. In fact, we made the same mistake. Twice. Afghanistan and Iraq.
I'll admit they were problems that needed to be handled, but not the way we did it.
It really isn't the same as going to war though is it. The amount paid to Haiti is spent in 4 hours in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Let me know when this makes sense. Let's take it small scale. You have a friend that constantly asks for money, food, a place to sleep. You provide it, being a good friend. Then what happens the day you're on the highway with a flat tire? Or the day you lose your job and need some food?
Where's that friend then?
That friend is still poor and can't afford to help you. Your rich friend Europe helps you all the time. Your poor friend Bangladesh, who deals with catastrophic flooding every single year gives you money. You entire argument is based on a complete fallacy that America never gets any help when it is in need, when in fact it does. You say your in debt, but where do you think that money comes from? That's right, other countries. Seriously think about it, please.
Fuck France, too. They decided they weren't going to help us a long time ago.
No, they decided there was no justification for going into Iraq. I'm sure the families of the French soldiers killed in Afghanistan wouldn't appreciate that. When your government let the people of New Orleans to drown, it was French tents that they sought shelter in. But whatever, they didn't believe that Iraq had WMDs, so they're the route of all evil.
