Brock Lesnar VS Bill Goldberg: Underrated

[BOSS Productions]

Brock Lesnar VS Bill Goldberg was the last match of these two incredible athletes in WWE. I know this match could have been better but just seeing these two in the ring was good enough for me but after watching this match again and again I realized that even if these guys put up a better match it would still seem shitty due to the fact that the crowd never gave them a chance, from the moment these guys stepped in the ring there were YOU SOLD OUT and HEY HEY HEY GOOD BYE CHANTS everywhere. When Goldberg did that military press into a spear it got a decent pop but then the boos started once again well I love fans such as the ones at WM 20 but don't you think that these guys would have been booed no matter what they did. The point of the thread is to answer this question:
This match was not good but if these guys did put on a 5 star performance wouldn't it still look like crap due to the fact that the fans booed them non stop? So do you think that if this match was better the fans would have cheered or would the same boos scatter around the ring ?

 

[The Brain]

The fans were going to boo them no matter what. I think if the fact that Lesnar was leaving hadn't become public knowledge the fans would have cheered him wildly during that match despite being the heel. A lot of "smart fans" do not respect Goldberg. New York is the "smart fan" capital of the wrestling world. It's obvious Goldberg did not really care about the business and was just there to make a buck. His one year contract was up and he couldn't wait to get out of there. Even though he already fulfilled all his contract dates you would think he would at least show up for raw leading up to mania to hype the match. But no, he already worked his dates so he wasn't going to give any more. Not a good way to endear yourself to the fans. I'm sure MSG couldn't wait to boo him out of the building. Then news hit that Lesnar was leaving too. I'm not saying Lesnar should be booed for wanting to leave, but the way he was leaving left a bad taste in everyone's mouth. He was built as the next big thing from day one and went over several top stars in WWE. Then out of nowhere he decides he's done with no notice and without putting anyone over in return.

I actually enjoyed the match because of the crowd reaction. It sure was unique. I'm just disappointed that Goldberg got the win. I would have liked to see Austin just give them both a stunner and declare the match a no contest. Normally that would be a horrible ending, but in this case it would have been appropriate. These two were going to be booed no matter what, and they both deserved it as far as I'm concerned.

 

[KBeef]

Underrated??!!!! youre kidding right , Im speaking as a native New Yorker that yes we sometimes may be harsh on the talent and all, but this was a huge match being built up for Wrestlemania! not some raw or anything.
Count the moves in this match theres probably less than 15 moves done the whole match.
Austin said it himself it was one of the worst situations he was involved in during a match
the first 10 mintues was staredowns and video game grapples it was ridiculous
those two half assed a Wrestlemania match and thats why the crowd gave them hell, yeah they chanted but a good match will shut people up it has before and will again.
this is right up there with the blindfold match from wrestlemania 7 with Jake the Snake and Rick martel and they COULDNT SEE and those two at least cared.
Worst Wrestlemania match Ive Seen, Underrated? You have got to be kidding!.

 

[TheChampionOfTheWorld]

I think these two could have pulled off a way better match, but the fans knew these two were both these guys were done after the match. And just didn't really want any part of it.

My question is why don't the fans do this type of stuff whenever they know a superstar is done with the company. Bret Hart didn't get this treatment and he was leaving to go to the competition. I don't recall Jeff Hardy getting this same reception when everyone knew he was done. I am sure there are other they just aren't coming to mind right now.

 

[amar1212]

that match was one of the worst matches ever..when i saw that match i just wished that i was stone cold steve austin and just whoop the shit out of both men especially lesnar because he was main eventing and was leaving for a crappy team....

it took forever to get going and the match it self was terrible except the part where austin stunners both of them...

and goldberg...he was definitely one of the most overrated wrestler ever....ppl make fun of john cena for his 5 move set..gold berg barely had 2 moves...

 

[attitude_hero]

Dude, that main event was being built since november of 03, and it was promoted during a pay per view, you had such a big main event that you had a promo in a PPV, you had the biggest superstar in wwe (stone cold) as the referee to help them promote the match, and as it was said before, it was on wrestlemania...You don't do what they did in such a big stage. The fans were mad that the top face of raw and the top heel on smackdown were leaving and thats why they reacted that way. Im tired of hearing people say "oh, the fans ruined it." "they were going to have a good match but the fans ruined it". The fact of the matter is that neither of them were in wwe long enough to understand the meaning of wrestlemania and what an honor it is to perform in it. Underrated ..My ....

 

[Beards17]

yes i agree that match was awful. could have been awesome but it was not

 

[BOSS Productions]

Underrated??!!!! youre kidding right , Im speaking as a native New Yorker that yes we sometimes may be harsh on the talent and all, but this was a huge match being built up for Wrestlemania! not some raw or anything.
Count the moves in this match theres probably less than 15 moves done the whole match.
Austin said it himself it was one of the worst situations he was involved in during a match
the first 10 mintues was staredowns and video game grapples it was ridiculous
those two half assed a Wrestlemania match and thats why the crowd gave them hell, yeah they chanted but a good match will shut people up it has before and will again.
this is right up there with the blindfold match from wrestlemania 7 with Jake the Snake and Rick martel and they COULDNT SEE and those two at least cared.
Worst Wrestlemania match Ive Seen, Underrated? You have got to be kidding!.

This MATCH IS UNDERRATED its seems more crappier than it actually is due to the fans watch the match again and you will see that this match was underrated and there was nothing Brock or Bill could do about it because whatever they did they would have gotten booed. Yes this match was a disappointment but if the fan reception was better the match would have seemed better much like Cena VS JBL at WM 21 which was also crap but seemed better because of the fans.

 

[BOSS Productions]

Dude, that main event was being built since november of 03, and it was promoted during a pay per view, you had such a big main event that you had a promo in a PPV, you had the biggest superstar in wwe (stone cold) as the referee to help them promote the match, and as it was said before, it was on wrestlemania...You don't do what they did in such a big stage. The fans were mad that the top face of raw and the top heel on smackdown were leaving and thats why they reacted that way. Im tired of hearing people say "oh, the fans ruined it." "they were going to have a good match but the fans ruined it". The fact of the matter is that neither of them were in wwe long enough to understand the meaning of wrestlemania and what an honor it is to perform in it. Underrated ..My ....

Really I didn't know that well let me check my history book wasn't it Brock who main evented the previous Wrestlemania and continued the match even after that botched STAR PRESS he definitely knew what the meaning of Wrestlemania was. Proof? Watch the interview where Kurt specifically said Brock was the most nervous on this night and yes the fans did have an impact on the match so don't act like they didn't because they did John Cena VS JBL was shit as well but no one brings that up because the fans were behind it. Also I did not blame the fans I was saying that whatever these guys did they would have gotten booed so read before you type some bogus crap.

 

[SinCityBlitz]

I think these two could have pulled off a way better match, but the fans knew these two were both these guys were done after the match. And just didn't really want any part of it.

My question is why don't the fans do this type of stuff whenever they know a superstar is done with the company. Bret Hart didn't get this treatment and he was leaving to go to the competition. I don't recall Jeff Hardy getting this same reception when everyone knew he was done. I am sure there are other they just aren't coming to mind right now.

Both Hardy and Hart earned the fans respect. Goldberg didn't care about anyone but himself and Lesnar at the time was bitching about wrestling to anyone who would listen. If you have those type of attitudes in MSG of all places it will get ugly.

I remember the match being horrible but to be honest the last time I watched it was when the shitfest was happening live. At the time I didn't like it but I would like to see it again to see how I react to it this time.

 

[KBeef]

This MATCH IS UNDERRATED its seems more crappier than it actually is due to the fans watch the match again and you will see that this match was underrated and there was nothing Brock or Bill could do about it because whatever they did they would have gotten booed. Yes this match was a disappointment but if the fan reception was better the match would have seemed better much like Cena VS JBL at WM 21 which was also crap but seemed better because of the fans.

I can respect your opinion but i have watched the match a few times especially since i have this on DVD, Nothing they couldnt do if the match had started like normal the fans wouldve gotten behind it but since NOTHING happened for the first 10-15 mins of the match the fans gave up on it. This was Wrestlemania 20 In The Garden of all places people would kill to perform there and you disgrace it with that performance im surprised nothing got thrown in the ring.
Cena vs JBL was a better match simply because you can tell both men CARED.

 

[avi01]

Originally Posted by Areoplex
This MATCH IS UNDERRATED its seems more crappier than it actually is due to the fans

Fans reaction is something but they worsen their case by standing there for dunno how much time staring at each other...I was actually amused looking at Stone Cold`s face.
So blaming it on the audience is way way too easy.......if they gave their best, the fans would have no doubt got into it. There was huge expectations but it came out as a huge disappointment mainly because the two failed at putting a good contest.

And to start with, by crappier, you do mean it was crap anyway right?
I think it got the proper reaction. Boring match saved by the fans actually.
Was delighted to see both of them stone cold stunned out of a WWE ring.

 

[Doctor Awesome]

this is a good thread. everyone has their own opinion on this match, and it's a good one to air out. i believe this match was way overrated, and in some ways i agree that it stood little chance to succeed. but it did have a chance, and it was all up to those two to make it happen. once the match happened, it was clear that neither of them gave a rat's ass how the match went. they were both gone, and didn't care what the ramifications were because neither had any intention of coming back. the best part of the match for me was that we had the benifit of an MSG crown in really, WWE's biggest PPV of all time. it was a majority of smart, loyal, old school fans that held them accountable for shitting on the business that made both of them financially privledged and known mainstream figures. it was the fan taking the power back (a la RVD v. Cena ONS 2006), but, i believe that if they would have turned in a performance where the fans believed they put it all out there, they would have recieved some level of kudos. without question, i am so glad this match happened with the underlying circumstances of their respective lack of contract situations and they were granted the opportunity to get together (themselves and with road agents) to put together a good match that worked for both of them. finish, with a bang or do what they did. on the WWE's most triumphant ppv since wm1, thesde guys took the money, ran, and told all of us "thanks for nothing, and kiss my ass!" goldberg was shite, brock was phenomenal, but good riddance. if you don't want to be there it will show in your work. and they both got to be where they wanted, so it worked out for everyone. nobody could explain to me how they liked that match and expect me to EVER take them seriously AGAAAIIIINNN!

 

[Trouble in Paradise]

I remember when this match happened I was 9 and my mum bought WM 20 for me for this match I was so hyped up about it you had two big guys who were when I was 9 unstoppable and then I saw the match underrated this match made me cringe at 9 years old and I remember saying to my friend I could do better than that and I think I could I'm training to be a wrestler and my trainer said in your matches always engage the crowd make them excited this match had the best hype but it was easily in the top 3 worst ever WM matches.

 

[666_The_Game_666]

Bad match Goldberg and Lesnar were the two beasts in the WWE at the time and they could of put the surprise hit of WM20 but it was a major disapointment i think getting Austin in was a way to make a dull match win over with the fans. And even Austin had to drink beer and give stunners to make it more stale than it already was

 

[beefthelegend]

I can bring in a unique perspective to this thread, because I was one of those fans at MSG. The event itself as awesome- save for two things: One: Having some drunk jerk spill his beer all over my jacket during the Undertaker's return entrance. That was the big one. Two was this match.

It was HORRIFIC. The first ten minutes (not kidding-youtube it) was just prancing and what-not, no actual moves in the first ten minutes. Every time one of these two hit a move, we hated it. Partially because Brock Lesnar was the chosen one, he was the next big thing-and he stabbed us all in the back. Partially because gOLDberg was never over with the WWE crowd. Partially because we knew both of these guys were leaving, and thought it was ridiculous that WWE was plugging this as a main event because these two were bailing.

My favorite chants during this match were: We want Bret! and Hogan. There was actually a guy in the crowd dressed up as the Hulkster. It was pretty great.

Biggest pop of the match was the Double Stunner ending. Austin knew how to please the fans- whether that was the scheduled ending or not, he fed off the live crowd and gave us what we wanted.

Also, we crapped all over Ultimo Dragon tripping on his cape. I really didn't appreciate how awesome that Cruiser weight Scramble-thing was.

But yeah, rest of the event, Awesome. Seeing the Rock tag with Mick Foley against Flair, Batista, and Orton, awesome. Seeing Christian vs. Jericho,with a Trish heel turn, freakin great. Seeing Eddy and Benoit share the ring as champions, priceless. Being forced to watch Lesnar vs. Goldberg- awful.

The Crowd reactions were the best part of the match.

 

[Tripleb2k1]

I dont guage my opinion of matches based on crowd reaction. I base it on the action between the competitors. I honestly thought the match was below average, especially for being one of the multi-main events for WrestleMania XX

 

[HHHDiedForOurSins]

The match was awful, I was looking forward to this more than any other match on the card, but it was one of the biggest letdowns of all time, they literally did nothing for 90% of the match, there was one spot where Goldberg did his military press into a spinebuster which looked awesome and the crowd exploded and finally got into it but then it went back to sucking.

Funny thing about this match is I hadn't been on the internet to hear any of the Lesnar stories, so when there was a "you sold out" chant at the start I thought it was directed at Goldberg, since there had been talk all along that he was leaving after WM, when JR made mention of Lesnar considering leaving for the NFL I was like WTF?

In the end the booking killed the match, the Goldberg chants at the beginning showed that they were willing to get behind him (the MSG crowd loved him when he made his debut there the year before, the reaction was insane) and would have loved to see him put Lesnar in his place, but they just stalled for too long and the crowd ended up turning on them both, this should have been a fast paced match with both guys hitting high impact moves from the start, if they did this and showed their usual intensity, the crowd would have responded in a positive way, but they both half-assed it, especially Lesnar, and we got that horrible match.

 

[travoltage]

yeah this match is one of my all time single biggest disappointments ever...these guys showed that they didn't give two shits about the fans or the fact that they had a properly built up feud leading in to a dream match at Wrestle-friggin'-Mania...they circled the ring like a couple of lazy pricks...did their finishers and bolted...if they had started doing some wrestling, the crowd would've got into it...despite the fact that it was known that they were leaving, PEOPLE WANTED TO SEE THIS MATCH!!...so piss on them for "phoning it in" and cheers to Steve Austin for the double stunners...he was the only redeeming thing about that fight

 

[Dre Guevara]

I said "No Comment" because words cannot begin 2 describe how disappointed I was in this match since I was already saying that Goldberg should come 2 the WWE & face Brock Lesnar in the ring, on paper, the match, IMO, could've been a certified classic, however, 2 things were the deciding factor in what caused this match put me 2 sleep while watching WM 20, 1) they took 4ever B4 they finally locked horns. 2) the fans not being in2 the match, but U can charge that 2 the fact that both competitors were leaving the WWE, Brock left 2 pursue an NFL carrer & STILL got cut. Stone Cold probably stunned them both 4 having a snorefest of a match on "The Biggest Stage of Them All"

 

[King Patrick Star]

Goldberg vs. Lesnar - WrestleMania XX. This should have been a dream match. I think the WWE should have booked this as an Inter-promotional, loser leaves the WWE match. As The Brain said, Austin could have stunned them both, declared a double disqualification and say they both lost, so they both leave. As easy as it is to get insider information, why didn’t the WWE just leak a story where they both signed new 3 month contracts just to make it seem believable?? Better yet, they should have just done a story line where at their Mania match contract signing, the winner would win a contract extension. Bill and Brock should have done the best they could instead of giving into the fans’ boos. The idea is underrated, but the match itself was a disappointment to say the least.

 

[jayteeERA]

I think this match was good. Not excellent but good. Lets face the truth ppl was waiting to see this match since 02. I remember back in that year ppl would sometimes chant goldberg when lesner was a match. Goldberg i got respect for cuz he said the real reason he came to the wwe was for the fans. Lesner. I just dont know what he was thinking he had it good but threw it all away. But this match could of been better if wasn't for the fans worrying too much about them leaving the company and that long ass stare down in the beginning of the match. I mean superstars leave all the time. PPL are not appreciate that these guys "rather right or wrong reasons" gave you a good but last performance.

 

[jayteeERA]

I think this match was good. Not excellent but good. Lets face the truth ppl was waiting to see this match since 02. I remember back in that year ppl would sometimes chant goldberg when lesner was a match. Goldberg i got respect for cuz he said the real reason he came to the wwe was for the fans. Lesner. I just dont know what he was thinking he had it good but threw it all away. But this match could of been better if wasn't for the fans worrying too much about them leaving the company and that long ass stare down in the beginning of the match. I mean superstars leave all the time. PPL are not appreciate that these guys "rather right or wrong reasons" gave you a good but last performance. So for me underrated.

 

[The Rob]

Recently I stated that this was "the worst match in professional wrestling history". So (in my personal opinion), is this match under-rated? No. It shouldn't even be rated at all!

It was built-up to be this incredible clash of two animals. Goldberg, a "ticking time bomb" as McMahon stated on RAW the night the match was made official. McMahon went as far to saying that the "82nd Airbourne could not maintain order in this kind of match". This match should of been an all-out brawl, a war! Instead, all we got was probably the slowest starting match in history, which turned out to be a very basic, boring, unimaginitive contest. I actually couldn't give a shit who won (despite being a huge Lesnar mark), and the only highlight was Stone Cold giving both Lesnar and Goldberg a "stunner" at the end.

If it was done right, a Lesnar/Goldberg match with Stone Cold as the guest referee could of actually main-evented the entire show. It was probably the most highlight antisipated match of the night. It turned out to be the worst match of the night by an absolute mile! Un-excuseable.

 

[Black Snow]

I'm still trying to get over the fact that the original post called Goldberg an "incredible athlete."

As a recall, the match started with about five minutes of stalling. You really got the feel that not only were the fans going to crap on the match no matter which since both guys were leaving but also both guys were going to halfass it in retaliation. The whole match (which wasn't long to begin with) was stalling and a few big moves. Coincidentally, that's the same thing that happens in most overrated Cena vs. HHH or Cena vs. HBK matches although those are faster but that's neither here nor there. >_>

Underrated? No. Goldberg vs. Lesnar was just plain odd on every level. It's one of those matches that you get a strange, curious joy out of watching because every aspect of it was just plain out of whack.