Bring surprising moments into the main event scene.

[BRAT]

As we have witnessed there are a few surprising wins-moments for the WWE title,right?
I know, you'll say that otherwise it will lose its prestige etc. and I agree to some extent but I think this has become stale,boring.
Wrestlemania 29. John Cena wins the title
Summerslam 2013. Daniel Bryan wins the title
..some Randy Orton reign
Wrestlemania 30. Daniel Bryan takes the title only to forfeit it three months later due to an injury. Cena takes the belt.
Summerslam 2014. Brock Lesnar takes the gold.
Wrestlemania 31. Seth wins the title...
...and we've heard he will remain champ till summerslam. This is what's boring. We know the results before we acknowledge what the match will be. Only in the big shows we see big wins.

The same comes now. Fatal four way and I've heard some nice options like an Ambrose turn but still we know that even in this way we will have Seth as a champion until the beast comes back.
And even if there is the prestige problem,now with a fatal four match anyone can win without really deserving it,yet there is no chance in hell Dean or Roman or Randy win the championship. For example, Dean wins the championship because of a cheat or something and he loses it the next night or in the next ppv because isn't ready for such a win.

We know alot about pro wrestling and we cant enjoy it that much. This can only change if the WWE brings reality into their product. By this,I mean some unpredictability like the attitude era. Anything could happen,dark horses winning the title or big names losing the title a week or a month later. We were watching good fights and storylines and for this reason it was difficult to know who the winner will be and simultaneously,no prestige had been lost.

Now we have Cena who doesn't lose. We have Seth who will have the title for at least 5 months. We have Wyatt who's getting a monster push and it's certain he wins feud like versus Ryback.

 

[Navi]

I would say we just had the surprise of the year with Rollins cashing in at Mania. If that didn't surprise you, then not too much I can say.

If the title changes hands too often then it's seen as being devalued, and the title holder being shit by most of the IWC. That's the reason I think Rollins cashed in at Mania instead of Reigns winning it.

Look at it realistically. Rollins has been holding the MITB suitcase since last June. Lesnar sat at home most of the year and did nothing much to defend it. If Reigns had won then he would only have held it for a month or so, before Rollins cashed in on him. So they gave the title to Rollins over Reigns, but I don't see him holding it till Summerslam.

No one can predict the future and I won't pretend to be able to do it either. Rollins will hold the belt for another PPV or so, and then most likely drop it to someone else. Since Lesnar did nothing much with the title, don't see him winning it back at Summerslam, hopefully they'll decide to do something else with him.

As for Wyatt, he's been having kind of a monster push forever now, it's just that not much is happening with it. This feud with Ryback probably won't go anywhere either, and Wyatt will be left swinging in the wind again.

 

[Prince Vee]

Didn't we have surprise? Did anyone of us would've thought Brock Lesnar would beat the holy hell out of John "Superman" Cena at Summerslam last year? It was so much surprising for anyone. We're getting the surprises but most of us aren't agreeing to think them as surprises.

Aren't we gonna wait every week after Payback (Possibly if Cena retains the title) to see someone surprisingly wins the title from Cena during a random US open challenge match? Wait, What would happen if someone wins the title? IWC (includes me, you and everyone) will be like "eh, it isn't surprising! It was meant to happen when Cena starts the US open challenge way back after Wrestlemania"

We aren't ready to get surprised for the title scene. There are so many threads quoting "Dean Ambrose is just added to get pinned" What if he doesn't get pinned? Our opinion would change into "We wanted to see Dean take a heel turn"

I'm getting enough surprises with the title scenes. I'm happy with the product. I'm not being complacent but the truth is just that Reality Era is better than the PG Era!

Cheers!!

 

[The Mattitude Era]

I agree with the OP. Yes, there have been some surprises, like Rollins' win at Mania. However, I don't know when the last time was where I wasn't expecting a title change to happen and it did. At Mania, we knew something would happen. I think most of us figured Lesnar would win at Summerslam. The only reason we saw a title "change" at MITB was because Bryan had to vacate. Before that, Bryan won title at Mania.

The point being, we all knew Rollins would retain at ER. We all figured Lesnar was carrying the title into Mania, so despite a great match at RR, did anyone actually think Rollins or Cena was going to win that match. Just like we all "know" that Rollins is going to hold the title until Summerslam for a Lesnar rematch. Yes, I would agree that that's a good and sensical direction to take the story, but I'd rather have a surprise or two. They can always think of something else.

 

[ASKane]

I think the issue is that title changes dont occur at minor events. If titles changes only happen at Summerslam and Mania why watch Main Events of any other PPV. What WWE needs to do is find a way of making a title change at a card like Payback seem like a big deal but because they have made all but their top 2 PPV's seem pointless they cant do it.

Has there surprising moments at PPV's? Yes
Has there been surprising moments at minor PPV's? No
Has there been more BS finishes than surprising moments at PPV's? Yes

WWE needs to address this. They need to make every PPV Main Event seem like a huge deal and stop using BS finishes like ER and do some genuinely surprising ones like Mania. The title shouldn't change every months but if the only time the title changes is SS and Mania then it devalues every other PPV. More title changes at minor events are needed and hopefully it starts with Reigns at MITB when the 4 at Payback rematch in a ladder match.

 

[Mustang Sally]

We know alot about pro wrestling and we cant enjoy it that much.

I can and I do. With all the hours of original programming each week, we can't expect blockbusters every time we turn on the TV. Further, if they do try to shock & amaze us in every program, even that is going to seem tame and overdone after a time. Yes, we're the audience and we want to be entertained, yet the more WWE one watches, the more it's going to seem boring to a viewer. Personally, I enjoy it all, partially because I marvel at how hard it is to do all of it, from WWE management to performers to the guys who set up the ring.

The answer is to have less pro wrestling on TV. When RAW first started broadcasting, we had one hour of original programming a week with a couple re-cap shows filling in the rest of the week......and when it was done this way, I don't recall feeling shortchanged. After all, it's easier to fill one hour of content than five or six.

As the OP says, we already know a lot about wrestling. Due to all the stuff on TV plus the Internet coverage, it's constantly around us. I suppose it's hard to look forward to something that's always there.

Now we have Cena who doesn't lose.

Except that he can.....and does.

 

[Mudlup50]

I could not disagree more, you are on the IWC and thus you are looking for the spoilers, the fans discussing every single outcome imaginable so of course there's less surprises now. I had been thinking about Rollins cashing in at Mania months before it happened and I was still surprised when it actually happened.

Here let me prove my point using the John Cena/Rusev 4 match. How can the match end? Well I've already seen people on here saying Lana will throw in the flag so Rusev doesn't give up so they can split them off. I've seen people suggesting a taped "I quit" so Cena loses the belt. I've seen people suggest Cena surrenders ushering in a new more beatable Cena. I've heard people suggesting Rusev will quit in the match and I've seen people suggest that Lana is going to force Cena to quit. So what option is left? Now if any of those options happen, it's not a surprise.

Let me also continue by pointing out that the IWC is a very vocal point of the WWE audience, and whether we realize it or not, we do have some control over what happens. It wasn't the casual fans booing Reigns out of the building at the Rumble, it was the smarter/older crowd who did that. And the WWE reacted accordingly. I'm not saying Vince is sitting at home reading our site, I'm just saying it's hard to be surprised when we as a community hate surprises. We suggest every single outcome for every single match, so there's no surprise. The community demands prestige on their titles so we can't have rapid title swaps(which is something I fully agree with) yet now that they are giving people decent length title reigns, we're complaining that there aren't rapid title swaps.

Let me make this clear, I'm not badmouthing the community, because I love coming on here and hearing people discuss thousands of scenarios, but if you're not being "surprised" anymore, maybe you should step away from the computer for a little bit so you can enjoy the surprises more.

 

[ComeOnVince]

As a spoiler-and-dirt-sheet junkie, it's easy for me to know too much. I wish that WWE could keep a tighter lid on their goings-on, but the reality is that they either can't or just choose not to. There are times when I agree with the heart of the OP, and times I agree with Mustang Sally - it's hard to find the middle ground between TOO predictable and a RUSSO SWERVEFEST.

After the Royal Rumble, I quit watching until Wrestlemania. I didn't visit any sites or read any dirt sheets. I kept up with who was going to be on the card through conversation with buddies, but largely I was detached from it.

And then I watched Wrestlemania. And you know what? I enjoyed it! Granted, some great things happened. But I enjoyed it a little more BECAUSE I didn't know what was going on for the most part. And I have enjoyed RAW since Mania for that reason too. Has RAW been epic? No. But I have enjoyed it more because there is less for me to nitpick, especially in advance.

For me personally, it's about knowing too much. But I understand the OP's concern. For me, the real allure of the Attitude Era was the "anything can happen" mentality. The WWE Championship could change hands anywhere from Wrestlemania to Smackdown, or at least that's what we all thought. Because that's how it was presented to us. Now, It does seem a little formulaic. And everybody senses it. Crowds don't stand anymore. They crap on whatever they don't like, and if they are anything like me, it's the missing illusion of the unpredictability factor that they don't like.

 

[rbv13]

Surprise title changes for the sake of surprise? Vince Russo is that you? Sometimes entirely too much focus is put on W's, L's & Championships. The journey can present endless surprises that fans can find joy in.

Looking at the Special Event WWE WHC matches in 2015.

Royal Rumble: No surprise but what an amazing match. All three worked their asses off to put on an unforgettable triple threat.

Fast Lane: No title match. We did however get to witness Bryan vs. Reigns in the main event. This was a solid match that gave hope Reigns could work a decent match at WM.

WM: It was all speculation headed in. We ended up with a damn good brawl and arguably the greatest cash in ever.

Extreme Rules: This match sucked. Not b/c we knew who would win but the story was all about Kane. They completely put everything else on the side burners.

3 out of 4 isn't to shabby.