Bray Wyatt NEEDS To Leave WWE

[Da Prophet]

You say how WWE wrestlers should look is all important (bulked ones on top, fatties in the middle etc).

Okay, so you are happy that wrestlers use dangerous steroids to inject themselves, so that they have "the look"?

I saw a Youtube video, where it listed 80 past wrestlers, who have died before the age of 40. 96% died because of either drug overdose, or past drug use, which then stuffed their body, and killed them years later. Drugs, and especially steroids is a scourge on professional wrestling, and it is the biggest thing I hold against professional wrestling. But then, they are only catering to shallow, superficial attitudes like yours, where looks are everything.

Maybe Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit wouldn't have needed to "bulk up" considerably to finally get World and WWE Titles, when they should have got them for their hard work, dedication and years of entertaining matches, and both may still be alive today. Maybe then I wouldn't have to shake my head in sadness when I watch the end of Wrestlemania XX, and seeing two great performers on top of the world celebrate in the ring, only to be dead some time later, and I believe in some cases, past or current steroid abuse was involved, somewhere along the line.

If Bray Wyatt entertains fans, works hard, puts on good matches, and builds muscle the old fashioned way (weights work, workouts) and when wrestlers get belts on merit, and not only after they "look the part", then we won't have many of our past favourites leaving this world early because they used things to get people like you to rate as "good enough".

You don't need steroids to lose weight or look in shape.

People all over the world don't use steroids and magically are in shape. They look fit and healthy. Athletes in various sports are in great shape and they get tested for steroids. So, your claim that they had to take steroids to look fit is dumb.

All I'm saying is that Bray Wyatt is fat. He is fat. He wants to be World Champion at the highest level... not while he's fat. If you want Bray to be the man than tell him to stop being fat. He needs to lose some weight. I'm telling you, he looked out of place on the poster with Orton, Cena, Lesnar and Goldberg. It looked silly to see four guys who were in shape and one fat dude.

Hard work is well and good but you have to be able to sell your product. If you go in for a job interview you dress nicely because you want to present a certain message to the employer. Bray Wyatt is overweight, he is absolutely fat, and when he stands next to Orton it sends out a message that this guy isn't a legit athlete. He looks silly and it hurts the company as this is supposed to be a real competition but one guy is built like a God and the other looks like he has been eating too many chicken McNuggets.

Bray and others don't need steroids. They need to stop eating all those chicken McNuggets and get the diet coke instead of that full strength with all that sugar.

You people talk about working hard. This is a job. He has one person to impress. It's Vince McMahon. Bray is an employee and his employer has made it clear what he wants. He wants guys who aren't fat! When my boss says they want me to dress a certain way I do it. I don't complain and say but I work hard so I should be able to dress how I want. That's not how a business works. Bray is fat, he doesn't fit what the boss wants and it's his own fault that he hasn't reached the success he wants.

 

[Navi]

You people talk about working hard. This is a job. He has one person to impress. It's Vince McMahon. Bray is an employee and his employer has made it clear what he wants. He wants guys who aren't fat! When my boss says they want me to dress a certain way I do it. I don't complain and say but I work hard so I should be able to dress how I want. That's not how a business works. Bray is fat, he doesn't fit what the boss wants and it's his own fault that he hasn't reached the success he wants.

Wrestling is one of those jobs that the way you look and what you wear doesn't seem to matter at all. Just look at the stained outfits Rowan and Harper wear. Look at the fact Ambrose, Reigns, Rollins, Corbin and Neville to name a few, seem to never wash their hair. It's always hanging in rat tails in their faces. A lot of the wrestler's have different body types, and if Vince McMahon didn't like it then they wouldn't have jobs on the roster at all.

Wyatt has been hovering around the main event scene for a long time now. He always struck me as the kind of guy who didn't want to hold a title even when he won it. Unlike Owens who wants all the titles at once, it seemed strange when Wyatt was holding it for some reason.

Wyatt also has the same body type as most of the guys you see sitting in the crowd so they can identify with the guy. His biggest problem is how do you book a cult leader character in a PG world. The two don't belong in the same sentence and that's why his booking is all over the place. It's not because of the way he looks, it's the character he's been given.

 

[ShinChan]

If Bray Wyatt hasn't impressed yet, then he won't be getting feuds with John Cena, The Undertaker, Daniel Bryan, Randy Orton, Roman Reigns etc. He won't be pinning John Cena twice in three days. No way.

He's more of a jobber to the stars.

Again, saying that he's fat is just another example of hating on him. Like there was someone here who used to say that Sasha Banks is a midget. Next day, he might say the same for Daniel Bryan.

It's just that he hasn't won his feuds. He hasn't gotten Superman booking like Cena or Reigns.

Don't blame his lack of credibility on him if you can't have him go over.

 

[Da Prophet]

Again, saying that he's fat is just another example of hating on him. Like there was someone here who used to say that Sasha Banks is a midget. Next day, he might say the same for Daniel Bryan.

You're wrong. I'll prove it.

Daniel Bryan is not a midget.

Sasha Banks is not a midget.

Bray Wyatt is, absolutely, without a doubt, fat. His boss has made it clear that if you want to get a big push than you have to look a certain way. It's entirely his fault that he is fat. Stop eating the chicken McNuggets and workout, than he'd be not fat. It's really not that hard. Bray Wyatt is in this position because he has failed to impress his employer to the level of others around like. To say that the look, and Bray being fat, has nothing to do with his role in the company is foolish.

It's just that he hasn't won his feuds. He hasn't gotten Superman booking like Cena or Reigns.

Cena and Reigns who are both not fat. In fact, they look like superheroes which is what Vince wants and happen to get two of the loudest reactions in the company. They look like athletes which is what WWE superstars are supposed to look like since the company is supposed to be a sporting competition.

With that in mind it makes zero sense to have a fat guy beat them or get Superman booking. A fat guy shouldn't beat Randy Orton. It makes no sense in the world of realism. Hurts the credibility of the company if the fat guy beats someone who looks like Orton.

Don't blame his lack of credibility on him if you can't have him go over.

It's absolutley Bray's fault.

He is fat. Nobody forced him to eat all those chicken McNuggets. His boss wants a certain thing and Bray has failed to give it to him. You get what you deserve and other employees, Reigns for example, have been able to meet those expectations better than Bray. It's Bray's fault he isn't in the top spot just like it was all the former TNA guys fault they didn't get a spot. Look at AJ Styles, former TNA star, and yet he has been given top spots for months. It's the employee who is at fault. Bray hasn't impressed his employer just like all those TNA guys never impressed Vince.

If Bray wants more credibility he should look into transforming himself into what his boss expects from a top star. It's been made very clear and for Bray to still be fat shows that he just doesn't care. Same with Owens. They can complain about their spot all they want but it's a simple fix and the road to being a top guy has been visible for decades. Don't be fat. Get in shape.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

You're wrong. I'll prove it.

Daniel Bryan is not a midget.

Sasha Banks is not a midget.

Bray Wyatt is, absolutely, without a doubt, fat. His boss has made it clear that if you want to get a big push than you have to look a certain way. It's entirely his fault that he is fat. Stop eating the chicken McNuggets and workout, than he'd be not fat. It's really not that hard. Bray Wyatt is in this position because he has failed to impress his employer to the level of others around like. To say that the look, and Bray being fat, has nothing to do with his role in the company is foolish.



Cena and Reigns who are both not fat. In fact, they look like superheroes which is what Vince wants and happen to get two of the loudest reactions in the company. They look like athletes which is what WWE superstars are supposed to look like since the company is supposed to be a sporting competition.

With that in mind it makes zero sense to have a fat guy beat them or get Superman booking. A fat guy shouldn't beat Randy Orton. It makes no sense in the world of realism. Hurts the credibility of the company if the fat guy beats someone who looks like Orton.



It's absolutley Bray's fault.

He is fat. Nobody forced him to eat all those chicken McNuggets. His boss wants a certain thing and Bray has failed to give it to him. You get what you deserve and other employees, Reigns for example, have been able to meet those expectations better than Bray. It's Bray's fault he isn't in the top spot just like it was all the former TNA guys fault they didn't get a spot. Look at AJ Styles, former TNA star, and yet he has been given top spots for months. It's the employee who is at fault. Bray hasn't impressed his employer just like all those TNA guys never impressed Vince.

If Bray wants more credibility he should look into transforming himself into what his boss expects from a top star. It's been made very clear and for Bray to still be fat shows that he just doesn't care. Same with Owens. They can complain about their spot all they want but it's a simple fix and the road to being a top guy has been visible for decades. Don't be fat. Get in shape.

If looks are the end all and be all, then why is Baron Corbin supposedly so high on Vince's list? Corbin isn't exactly a dreamboat with his lank, greasy, wire thin hair and his physique exactly the stuff that dreams are made of. Corbin has a weir body that puts me somewhat in mind of Kassius Ohno, AKA Chris Hero, before he gained about 60 lbs. and started looking like Fat Jesus, in that Corbin is all lanky, skinny and fat while simultaneously having little or no muscle tone to speak of. Why do you suppose he started wearing shirts during his matches?

If the reports turn out to be true, Baron Corbin looks to be the next WWE Champion and it certainly won't be because he's a good looking guy.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I got KEEEEEEEEEEEDS maaaaaaaaaan!

And I hate that word smark. You are dumbing down your point even further by playing that card.

It has to be dumbed down because you're not getting it. And hate the word all you like, but it doesn't change anything. If wrestlers based what they did on the ever changing, ever varied opinions of SMARKS, they'd all be schizos.

[This my friend, is conjecture. Now you have quite idiotically repeated how it is wrong for him fiscally but this is from a creative standpoint. And it isn't as if his skills won't get him ontop in other entertainment fields. Which I'm sure he would want to taste one day.

People have LEFT the WWE, helped their characters ten fold and come back. Again they have ruined it too.There's a multitude of things he could do and make good buck and restore his aura or even add to it. His strength won't be going to UFC like Brock, but maybe Japan like the Gallows. Maybe TV or short movies like Jericho or when The Rock first left. Being on weekly TV comes with its pros and cons for sure, he needs to recognize that and do what's best for his brand. His brand is something that goes beyond WWE.

He is NOT the next Undertaker ok? He is Bray Wyatt, and he has his own path to take.

It's a total crapshoot. Professional wrestling is pretty much all Wyatt knows, it's literally his family's business and Wyatt doesn't strike me as someone who'll head out for Hollywood. Aside from the Rock, nobody in wrestling has really attained any sort of legit crossover success. Hulk Hogan made some talk show appearances and starred in some extremely bad, low budget, straight to video movies, Chris Jericho has been on a few TV shows, he was on Dancing with the Stars, he also has Fozzy but Fozzy isn't a major band and is more of a hobby for him than anything else. The Rock is a guy who had all the tools at the right time: a tall, dark handsome stud loaded with personality and charisma absolutely second to none. Bray Wyatt's a stocky, chubby Florida boy who's grandfather, father, uncles and brother are all wrestlers. I suppose Wyatt could make himself over but that's not his interest. Wyatt does exercise, he does hit the gym, does weights, does cardio, etc. but he's said repeatedly that he doesn't diet the way other wrestlers do because he personally finds it ridiculous. He's said in a few interviews that he's seen people starve and deny themselves to the point of misery at times; his outlook is that you only go around once, so you might as well enjoy it. When you look at crossover appeal, Bray Wyatt is pretty low on the ladder.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

It has to be dumbed down because you're not getting it. And hate the word all you like, but it doesn't change anything. If wrestlers based what they did on the ever changing, ever varied opinions of SMARKS, they'd all be schizos.

Jeez so a thread discussing how Bray could benefit from a sabbatical from the WWE and ply his trade elsewhere is crazy? On a wrestling forum? We having a conversation about how a universally panned run, admitted by the man himself could not birth the idea of Bray prolly thinking of taking up other fiscally beneficial aspects of entertainment.

Congrats, you're a smark!

It's a total crapshoot. Professional wrestling is pretty much all Wyatt knows, it's literally his family's business and Wyatt doesn't strike me as someone who'll head out for Hollywood. Aside from the Rock, nobody in wrestling has really attained any sort of legit crossover success. Hulk Hogan made some talk show appearances and starred in some extremely bad, low budget, straight to video movies, Chris Jericho has been on a few TV shows, he was on Dancing with the Stars, he also has Fozzy but Fozzy isn't a major band and is more of a hobby for him than anything else. The Rock is a guy who had all the tools at the right time: a tall, dark handsome stud loaded with personality and charisma absolutely second to none. Bray Wyatt's a stocky, chubby Florida boy who's grandfather, father, uncles and brother are all wrestlers. I suppose Wyatt could make himself over but that's not his interest. Wyatt does exercise, he does hit the gym, does weights, does cardio, etc. but he's said repeatedly that he doesn't diet the way other wrestlers do because he personally finds it ridiculous. He's said in a few interviews that he's seen people starve and deny themselves to the point of misery at times; his outlook is that you only go around once, so you might as well enjoy it. When you look at crossover appeal, Bray Wyatt is pretty low on the ladder.

On the contrary, Bray is somebody who could do well crossing over. And just because he is a wrestler doesn't mean he will only know how to wrestle. On the contrary, realizing the aspect of how all entertainment is a suspension of disbelief at a young age only makes his more adept.

The Rock found his niche and was smart enough to pursue it the way he did. He can find his niche and take his career elsewhere. As I said originally, even to Japan to see how it is received, gain some edge back.

 

[blueskyy]

No, Bray doesn't need to leave. Where else could he go? On a side note, how's Sandow doing? If Sandow is doing well, then maybe, Bray should follow suit. Otherwise, it's really not a good idea. He is already in the best pro wrestling company there is in the whole wide world, why should he quit and go somewhere else?

Sometimes, fans can be so blind. They blame every other things but the said wrestler. Bray is exactly at where he should be at now. If for your sake, WWE continues with their push following this Monday's RAW (and I hope they do, just so that people can see it for what it is), and continues with that kind of bookings against other opponents, I would bet you that RAW ratings would drop, even with Kurt Angle around as the general manager.

You have to look the part to play the part, and that includes being good in the ring, and being able to work well with your opponents. That's my very very humble opinion on this matter.

On a totally unrelated note, trimming down is easy. The real question is, is there's a need to do so.

 

[Messiah]

Who gives a shit about anything you just said.. Working in WWE is about 1 thing, making money and you know he's making good money working with all these top names.. It's a job, wrestling fans don't realize that.

 

[sikkbones]

Why are we fat shaming bray Wyatt, when fatty hardy was massively over with a similar gimmick????

In fact barring bringing in uncle Waylon to give some much needed advice.

I think the next fued is with the Hardy's.

And I'm not convinced bray doesn't end up broken bray Wyatt.

 

[rokuma]

I think a lot of this is subjective. Personally, Bray's gimmick comes off ridiculous and cheesy to me. I'm annoyed by him. And frankly, I don't think he backs it up in the ring either.

He's just not a believable main event wrestler for me. He will never be the face of WWE. He doesn't have the look, the ability, or the lure to draw in the casual fan. Guys like John Cena, Brock Lesnar, The Rock...they all had those things and they became mega stars. Bray Wyatt does not. Does he have a purpose in WWE? Sure. But I think he's fulfilling that purpose. I actually think he'd be a great manager more than a wrestler. He is good on the mic.

 

[Snugglebites]

I've never found Bray to be anything special. He's pretty much the same every week - Attacks some random person, talk a bit of nonsense and then loses. Most of the fans don't seem to care for him either. Apart from turning on their phone torch, he gets barely any reactions from fans. Nobody really believes he's a threat to anything. That's all he is now, a decent entrance. Some guy who rabbles on and people shine a light at.

 

[LoudClearVoice]

I like the gimmick in general but I find Bray Wyatt himself to be no big deal. Part of the problem is not really his fault. They've never explained anything to us about the Wyatt family. I know they want to keep that "mystique" going but honestly just having random crazy people led by a random crazy guy (who I do not find scary in the least) isn't going to cut it. Even with the Undertaker they slowly gave us details of the character's background thus making an already amazing character more real.

If the actual Wyatt story is a slow burn, this is the slowest burn I've ever seen in WWE.

 

[ShinChan]

You're wrong. I'll prove it.

Sure.

Daniel Bryan is not a midget.

True.

Sasha Banks is not a midget.

True.

Now when did I say that they're midgets?

Bray Wyatt is, absolutely, without a doubt, fat.

And talented. I referred to the example of Daniel Bryan. He doesn't look a Superman but he main-evented Wrestlemania 30.

His boss has made it clear that if you want to get a big push than you have to look a certain way.

I would like to hear it from Vince himself.

It's entirely his fault that he is fat.

Of course. You can't be fat due to any sort of problem, right?

Stop eating the chicken McNuggets and workout, than he'd be not fat.

How can you say that he eats Chicken McNuggets?

It's really not that hard. Bray Wyatt is in this position because he has failed to impress his employer to the level of others around like.

Yeah, he hasn't impressed Vince even a bit and yet given matches against John Cena, Randy Orton, Daniel Bryan, CM Punk, and most importantly The Undertaker at Wrestlemania. Even John Cena didn't get Undertaker at Wrestlemania.

To say that the look, and Bray being fat, has nothing to do with his role in the company is foolish.

It ain't foolish. If looks would've mattered, you wouldn't even see Bray Wyatt in WWE.

Cena and Reigns who are both not fat. In fact, they look like superheroes which is what Vince wants

He won't even keep Wyatt in his company if he just wants superhero looking guys.

and happen to get two of the loudest reactions in the company.

Bray Wyatt also gets loud reactions regardless of his physique.

They look like athletes which is what WWE superstars are supposed to look like since the company is supposed to be a sporting competition.

Then why are the Vaders, Foleys, Yokozunas of wrestling hired?

With that in mind it makes zero sense to have a fat guy beat them or get Superman booking.

I don't even want Superman booking for him.

A fat guy shouldn't beat Randy Orton. It makes no sense in the world of realism.

Yeah, as if it's a legitimate competition. If you're talking realism then Sincara beats Sheamus.

Hurts the credibility of the company if the fat guy beats someone who looks like Orton.

Just like every Foley, Umaga etc victory hurted the company?

It's absolutley Bray's fault.

Of course.

He is fat.

Irrelevant if he's talented.

Nobody forced him to eat all those chicken McNuggets.

Again how do you know?

His boss wants a certain thing and Bray has failed to give it to him.

He wouldn't be getting in a feud with Randy Orton and even his own special gimmick match if Vince found him a failure.

You get what you deserve and other employees, Reigns for example, have been able to meet those expectations better than Bray.

Deserve? Roman Reigns met those expectations? Suffering succotash?

It's Bray's fault he isn't in the top spot just like it was all the former TNA guys fault they didn't get a spot.

Yeah, He ain't allowed to win but it's his fault.

Look at AJ Styles, former TNA star, and yet he has been given top spots for months.

He was already a freaking star. In almost every promotion he joined.

It's the employee who is at fault.

Bosses are innocent always.

Bray hasn't impressed his employer just like all those TNA guys never impressed Vince.

Again he is there feuding with stars because he has impressed Vince.

If Bray wants more credibility he should look into transforming himself into what his boss expects from a top star.

He needs wins for credibility.

It's been made very clear and for Bray to still be fat shows that he just doesn't care. Same with Owens.

Yeah I would like to know where it's made clear?

They can complain about their spot all they want but it's a simple fix and the road to being a top guy has been visible for decades. Don't be fat. Get in shape.

Again talent matters more. WWE won't have brought Kassius Ohno back whom they let off because of Fatness. Heck, Bray Wyatt won't be World Champion heading into Wrestlemania if he hasn't impressed Vince or is considered fat by him.

BUT HE'S FATTTTTT...

 

[Dmbfantomas]

You say how WWE wrestlers should look is all important (bulked ones on top, fatties in the middle etc).

Okay, so you are happy that wrestlers use dangerous steroids to inject themselves, so that they have "the look"?

I saw a Youtube video, where it listed 80 past wrestlers, who have died before the age of 40. 96% died because of either drug overdose, or past drug use, which then stuffed their body, and killed them years later. Drugs, and especially steroids is a scourge on professional wrestling, and it is the biggest thing I hold against professional wrestling. But then, they are only catering to shallow, superficial attitudes like yours, where looks are everything.

Maybe Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit wouldn't have needed to "bulk up" considerably to finally get World and WWE Titles, when they should have got them for their hard work, dedication and years of entertaining matches, and both may still be alive today. Maybe then I wouldn't have to shake my head in sadness when I watch the end of Wrestlemania XX, and seeing two great performers on top of the world celebrate in the ring, only to be dead some time later, and I believe in some cases, past or current steroid abuse was involved, somewhere along the line.

If Bray Wyatt entertains fans, works hard, puts on good matches, and builds muscle the old fashioned way (weights work, workouts) and when wrestlers get belts on merit, and not only after they "look the part", then we won't have many of our past favourites leaving this world early because they used things to get people like you to rate as "good enough".

Since when do you need roids to look awesome? I mean, I'm all for anyone taking steroids, but you don't need them to get yolked.

Oh, and Bray shouldn't go anywhere. He's a dogshit wrestler that never really delivers once the bell rings. He should be content doing wacky shit for great pay until he retires.

 

[Wildcat66]

You're wrong. I'll prove it.

Daniel Bryan is not a midget.

Sasha Banks is not a midget.

Bray Wyatt is, absolutely, without a doubt, fat. His boss has made it clear that if you want to get a big push than you have to look a certain way. It's entirely his fault that he is fat. Stop eating the chicken McNuggets and workout, than he'd be not fat. It's really not that hard. Bray Wyatt is in this position because he has failed to impress his employer to the level of others around like. To say that the look, and Bray being fat, has nothing to do with his role in the company is foolish.



Cena and Reigns who are both not fat. In fact, they look like superheroes which is what Vince wants and happen to get two of the loudest reactions in the company. They look like athletes which is what WWE superstars are supposed to look like since the company is supposed to be a sporting competition.

With that in mind it makes zero sense to have a fat guy beat them or get Superman booking. A fat guy shouldn't beat Randy Orton. It makes no sense in the world of realism. Hurts the credibility of the company if the fat guy beats someone who looks like Orton.



It's absolutley Bray's fault.

He is fat. Nobody forced him to eat all those chicken McNuggets. His boss wants a certain thing and Bray has failed to give it to him. You get what you deserve and other employees, Reigns for example, have been able to meet those expectations better than Bray. It's Bray's fault he isn't in the top spot just like it was all the former TNA guys fault they didn't get a spot. Look at AJ Styles, former TNA star, and yet he has been given top spots for months. It's the employee who is at fault. Bray hasn't impressed his employer just like all those TNA guys never impressed Vince.

If Bray wants more credibility he should look into transforming himself into what his boss expects from a top star. It's been made very clear and for Bray to still be fat shows that he just doesn't care. Same with Owens. They can complain about their spot all they want but it's a simple fix and the road to being a top guy has been visible for decades. Don't be fat. Get in shape.

I can disprove your point with one person.

Yokozuna.

Say what you want about his wrestling ability, (which wasn't the best) he became one of the greatest monster heels in wrestling and even had a long term run as world champion. And get this, he was 'fat'. That thing that apparently holds people back from being a main event talent.

Now if Bray was out of shape, then maybe i'd see your point; but being fat should be no problem for getting over in WWE.

 

[BestSportsEntertainer]

According to one website, Wyatt makes over $250,000 a year. That's hard to walk away from.

Also where could he go? TNA? New Japan? Maybe they would use him better, but he wouldn't get the exposure or money.

I'll agree WWE doesn't use him as well as they could. Wyatt is good in the ring and on the mic. He also has a great character, but his image has been butchered by losing so many feuds. He needs something (a few wins) to make fans take him more seriously.

So yes Wyatt has been misused, but he isn't going anywhere. And honestly he shouldn't.

One more thing...

DaProphet, really? Like really? You don't want to push him because he's FAT? That is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

 

[d_henderson1810]

I can disprove your point with one person.

Yokozuna.

Say what you want about his wrestling ability, (which wasn't the best) he became one of the greatest monster heels in wrestling and even had a long term run as world champion. And get this, he was 'fat'. That thing that apparently holds people back from being a main event talent.

Now if Bray was out of shape, then maybe i'd see your point; but being fat should be no problem for getting over in WWE.

The Big Show has won the WWE or World Title a few times, and he is not the body beautiful either.

If looking good body-wise was a pre-requisite, then how come Rick Rude never won a WWE Title?

 

[therockiswwf]

The Big Show has won the WWE or World Title a few times, and he is not the body beautiful either.

If looking good body-wise was a pre-requisite, then how come Rick Rude never won a WWE Title?

Big Show is a damn giant. Casual fans will be impressed by that. Casual fans will not be impressed by someone with the body of Kevin Owens.

I have no idea why everyone thinks that people are completely rational. Of course looks matter. They are a freaking TV show. I know a few casual fans who hate Kevin Owens because they are not able to believe a fatass like him could beat people who are in better shape. Being fat or small is a detriment. It does not mean they cannot overcome it but it takes a lot of talent and time to do so.

Mankind was able to overcome this. Daniel Bryan was able to overcome it.

Bray's look works for a heel. Bad looking. Big beard. It would not work for say the top face of the company.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

According to one website, Wyatt makes over $250,000 a year. That's hard to walk away from.

Also where could he go? TNA? New Japan? Maybe they would use him better, but he wouldn't get the exposure or money.

I'll agree WWE doesn't use him as well as they could. Wyatt is good in the ring and on the mic. He also has a great character, but his image has been butchered by losing so many feuds. He needs something (a few wins) to make fans take him more seriously.

So yes Wyatt has been misused, but he isn't going anywhere. And honestly he shouldn't.

How much money was The Rock making when he walked away from the WWE? Or Y2J?

This is what Steve Austin keeps bitching about all the time, wrestlers who are just happy being on TV, and that's it. I don't want Wyatt to never come back, read the OP.

He needs to go and do smtg to get his edge back. NJPW, ROH, TV, Movie something to increase his stock value and aura. A Returning Wyatt smitten with the glitz & glamour and fighting with his Eater self would actually give us something interesting since he fucking debuted!

Wyatt is smart enough to know what channel to follow, post WWE.

 

[ShinChan]

Saying that casual fans won't be impressed by Kevin Owens is wrong. What will they do when Kevin Owens executes a moonsault of all moves? How about Frog splash? How about a powerbomb on the apron? Or how about the teases for Package Piledriver? He has teased it since long time. Just think what if he actually executes it? He won't do so but he has already impressed the casual fans in my opinion. Kevin Owens is more of a badass than a fatass.

 

[sikkbones]

Bray Wyatt doesn't need titles or wins...

Not right now...

He's a master of psychology and fear... Just like Jake the snake.,,

Quick name the titles Jake won in the 80s in WWF.

 

[therockiswwf]

Bray Wyatt doesn't need titles or wins...

Not right now...

He's a master of psychology and fear... Just like Jake the snake.,,

Quick name the titles Jake won in the 80s in WWF.

Wyatt loses constantly with monthly PPVs. I don't know Jake Roberts win/loss record off the top of my head but he certainly didn't lose on PPV every month.

Bray has his character nailed down. He has his promos nailed down. His in-ring is good enough. He doesn't need to leave, he just needs to win a feud every once in a blue moon.

Saying that casual fans won't be impressed by Kevin Owens is wrong. What will they do when Kevin Owens executes a moonsault of all moves? How about Frog splash? How about a powerbomb on the apron? Or how about the teases for Package Piledriver? He has teased it since long time. Just think what if he actually executes it? He won't do so but he has already impressed the casual fans in my opinion. Kevin Owens is more of a badass than a fatass.

You're not a casual fan. You're not thinking like one. A casual isn't going to think of all the stuff KO can do. They are going to see his physique and think he's fat.

Again, talent can eventually overcome something like this. However, it takes a lot of time and a lot of talent.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Wyatt loses constantly with monthly PPVs. I don't know Jake Roberts win/loss record off the top of my head but he certainly didn't lose on PPV every month.

During Jake's time in WWE, at least his peak years, there were only 2 to 4 ppvs a year, he did lose quite a bit of the time. Wyatt's WWE Championship reign, albeit a brief one, is still more than Jake ever did. Jake spent about 6 years in the WWE, the first time around, and the closest he ever got to the main event spot was his feud with Savage. Just about any high profile feud Jake had, though much of the time he feuded with other lower card guys like Hercules, whether it was Savage, Taker or Rude.

You're not a casual fan. You're not thinking like one. A casual isn't going to think of all the stuff KO can do. They are going to see his physique and think he's fat.

Again, talent can eventually overcome something like this. However, it takes a lot of time and a lot of talent.

You're saying this as though Owens hasn't already been on the main roster for 2 year, with May 18 as the actual date. In those 2 years, he's been a 2 time Intercontinental Champion, began his 2nd US Championship run on last night's SmackDown Live, held the Universal Championship for almost 6.5 months, he consistently gets a strong response from fans, his merchandise sells, etc. He's obviously a success that's making money for WWE and money's ultimately what it's about. Besides, if Vince genuinely had any real problems with Owens' physique, do you honestly think he wouldn't let him know in no uncertain terms? And if Vince did have issues, told him about them and Owens didn't do anything to improve his physique, do you honestly think he'd have spent the last 2 years as one of the most successful heels on the roster?

Besides, breaking away from the mold is something WWE has been doing for several years now, the diagram, if you will, of what a wrestler for WWE should look like has been evolving thanks in no small part to Triple H. If fans aren't into you, if a wrestler can't make them care about them or be interested in what they're doing, then it doesn't matter if they look like they're chiseled out of granite. Fans are interested in and invested in Kevin Owens, so he's one of the top guys in the company, chubby or not.

 

[ShinChan]

You're not a casual fan. You're not thinking like one. A casual isn't going to think of all the stuff KO can do. They are going to see his physique and think he's fat.

Again, talent can eventually overcome something like this. However, it takes a lot of time and a lot of talent.

I know that I'm no more a casual fan. But I was a casual fan not so long ago. And seeing stuff from a so-called fat wrestler would've had me intrigued.

So don't think that casual fans will just see that Owens is fat and stop caring about him. Owens is over enough at the main roster to negate this thinking. I think that casual fans want to be entertained. Be it via wrestling or promos. Kevin Owens is good enough on both ends to entertain the casual fans.