BRAND EXTENSION/DRAFT Thread: Keep It All Here

[The Future Rises]

This is a GREAT concept. The "SuperShow" name sounds like something the WWE would have back in the old early 90's WWF back when people like Randy Savage and Ric Flair were around. So it really just sounds great to me. And the concept has been fantastic so far. So now that everyone's a free agent the shows are very unpredictable. You never know who would come out and what great matches we're gonna see. Ziggler vs Orton on Raw was a great match that made Ziggler seem on the same level as Orton. I really hope they don't drop this idea. It's one of the best things the WWE has done in years.

 

[SEXYdex]

Midcarders will now have virtually no tv time because it will be full of maineveters and upper mid-carders. So Riley, Swagger, Kingston Bourne (when they lose titles) and the rest say goodbye and enjoy your last few weeks of tv time and aswell the IWC's dreamboy Zack Ryder won't be getting any time aswell so if these 'Supershows ' go ahead be prepared people or WrestleZone for (even more) whining because Ryder ain't on tv

 

[The Future Rises]

Midcarders will now have virtually no tv time because it will be full of maineveters and upper mid-carders. So Riley, Swagger, Kingston Bourne (when they lose titles) and the rest say goodbye and enjoy your last few weeks of tv time and aswell the IWC's dreamboy Zack Ryder won't be getting any time aswell so if these 'Supershows ' go ahead be prepared people or WrestleZone for (even more) whining because Ryder ain't on tv

Actually the whole angle with Swagger, Ziggler, and Vickie is still going on and getting more interesting. Plus Ziggler faced Orton in a GREAT match. Same thing with Barrett on SuperSmackdown against Cena. And Otunga and McGuilicutty look like they have just started a feud of some sort with Jerry Lawler. Oh yeah and Sin Cara looks like he's just starting a feud with Daniel Bryan which is probably gonna ultimately end up with two Sin Caras one a face(Mistico) and one a heel(Hunico) So I'm not worried about the midcarders one bit.

 

[Skinsley]

Barret v Cena was far from a great match.
More like Wade Jobbing for Cena like you would expect from the match that Barret turned down last week on Smackdown, when the Random Canadian wrestler was stood in the ring waiting for him.

 

[Mr.Fortuna]

Even if they were to ``end`` the brand extension its not like they would do it in one night. Its called transitioning, something alot of ppl on these boards dont really know about.

The whole idea of Smack Down going live is great for Smack Down only if they plan to keep the rosters seperate. If not then theres no point really. Might aswell keep it on Fridays because what is the point of 2 WWE shows with the same exact stars on week after week appearing 24 hours apart?

A LIVE Tuesday edition would benefit the BRAND and finally make Smack Down seem even to RAW.

 

[Why Always Me]

The Brand Extension has more than run it's course, it was needed when it was first introduced but now, do away with with.

Unify the WWE & World Titles, maybe at the December PPV (not sure what it is called). Keep both the IC/US belts and have the US be the new European title and bring back the Cruiserweight title.

NXT needs sacking off and tape 4 to 5 matches for Superstars on Smackdown and 4 to matches matches for another Superstars type program at Raw (like they used to do with Heat & Velocity).

Smackdown should be live, have it Thursday (if possible) or if not have live it Tuesday.

 

[shitsngiggles]

Why are people worried about "low and mid carders" ?

They are in that low/mid category for a reason, they have no draw or a lower draw than the rest of the talent.

And who gives a crap about that woo woo wanker? Someone that idiotic shouldn't be allowed on TV, I don't care if he has a "following" anyone following somebody like that probably has the mental capacity of a walnut.

 

[LODemolition]

John Cena has a huge following, does that make him a good wrestler? Some people still tune in for the WRESTLING.

I like getting rid of the brands, but I think they're doing it now because of guys like Christian who have nowhere else to go after a long feud with Orton that had to come to an end. I'm one of the guys who is all for it as long as it doesn't bury the midcard talent. Drew McIntyre is a guy who deserves to be on the air. When he was on Smackdown, they used him decently and even had a storyline for him with Kelly Kelly. Ever since going to Raw, I think I can count on 1 hand the amount of times I saw him on the show.

I'm also worried guys like Ziggler, Morrison, Rhodes, Gabriel and Kidd are going to get pushed aside so we can see more John Cena. I'm all for it, as long as they use the 4 hours of live tv time effectively and don't go overboard with the same guys every week. I'm a huge CM Punk fan (even before the push in July), but coming out 3 times in one 1 show is overboard. Use the depth of your roster or what's the point of having them signed to contracts?

 

[Bababaloney]

Its always about remembering isnt it? that was a different time dude, things have changed and there is no problems what so ever with having 2 separate brands. Both shows do well in the ratings and ticket sales for both shows are good. There is no reason what so ever for them to end the extension.

But isn't SD still seen as the lesser brand?

If I'm not mistaken, the Smackdown only house shows draw far less than the RAW house shows and it's been that way for some time.

To your point, I think WWE needs the brand extension though. With the size of the roster this gives more guys a chance. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with crossing rosters from time to time as long as the same 6 - 10 guys get all the air time on both shows.

That is my main concern with this crossing of the rosters. Hell, two mid-main eventers like John Morrison and R Truth were featSuperstarserstatrs this week? WTF???

 

[Bababaloney]

Barret v Cena was far from a great match.
More like Wade Jobbing for Cena like you would expect from the match that Barret turned down last week on Smackdown, when the Random Canadian wrestler was stood in the ring waiting for him.

I agree about the Cena / Barret match. It was far from a squash, but did anyone really think Barret was going to win or even have a DQ ending? Nope... Barret was there to simply do the job and it was not very interesting at that.

WB is a good example of a good talent who will be wasted if they merge the brands and just focus on a dozen or so performers.

 

[steven87gill]

Can it be true? Was what Triple H said tonight correct that the WWE was going to back to mixing superstars and this whole mismanaged bullshit thing they've been doing for the past 7 years is finally over?

Can we run and rejoice in the streets that finally the WWE is going to be back to what it used to be? To where it doesn't matter where a challenger comes from. That it doesn't matter that the guy fought the night before?

I am truly loving the idea that they are hopefully merging the brands back together into one single brand.

I think ALOT of this has to do with trying to resurrect the Tag-Team divisions and the Cruiserweight division soon as well.

Which will also beg the question, if the brand extension scheme is finally over, will the WWE and World Heavyweight championship be merged back into one single WWE Title?

Eventually, yes. Rumour has it that the WWE has had a new WWE title ready and waiting for quite a while, my guess is that they're waiting until an eventual reunification of the championships before they bring it out.

 

[Mr.Fortuna]

tell me something guys if we were to revamp the whole idea of a Brand extension how would you guys go around doing it.?

Would you keep 2 world titles, or unify them. Would you make IC Title and the US title the main brands championships? Very interested to hear your ideas.

PS. Does smackdown need to be LIVE if the brand extension were to end?

 

[PunkNation26]

The supershow concept effectively kills the World Heavyweight Championship. I mean if talent appear on both shows how do you decide who gets a WWE Title match and who gets a World Title match.

Same situation with the IC Title and the US Title.

 

[K Bro 30]

The extension needs to end. 8 shows to build a PPV match is better than 2. The brand expansion is useless now. Whether or not you're a Cena fan, Punk fan, Orton fan, whoever....wouldn't you want to see them twice a week? WWE has NXT and Superstars for the younger guys. They need to use all their talent on a regular basis in order to move forward. These 4 show build-ups and 5 match PPV's aren't cutting it. I'd rather see Raw expand to 3 hours and include everyone then the brand extension continue.

Just my opinion, but there needs to be 1 main champion of the company, 2 lower singles title, a divas title, and tag-title. And all of those people should be visible 8-times a month, not 4, 8. It just makes no sense from a quality standpoint.

Sadly with what is pretty much 2 touring promotions, Vince makes more money, so it won't end.

 

[Why Always Me]

The extension needs to end. 8 shows to build a PPV match is better than 2. The brand expansion is useless now. Whether or not you're a Cena fan, Punk fan, Orton fan, whoever....wouldn't you want to see them twice a week? WWE has NXT and Superstars for the younger guys. They need to use all their talent on a regular basis in order to move forward. These 4 show build-ups and 5 match PPV's aren't cutting it. I'd rather see Raw expand to 3 hours and include everyone then the brand extension continue.

Just my opinion, but there needs to be 1 main champion of the company, 2 lower singles title, a divas title, and tag-title. And all of those people should be visible 8-times a month, not 4, 8. It just makes no sense from a quality standpoint.

Sadly with what is pretty much 2 touring promotions, Vince makes more money, so it won't end.

I have always though that they could have a de-facto brand split purely for house shows, just because the Undisputed WWE Champion wouldn't be there doesn't mean that they can't put a show on.

Lets say CM Punk was Undisputed Champion, and there were two house shows for same day, CM Punk goes to one with say Orton appearing and Cena and Miz are at the other. Also perhaps have the IC Champion at the show without the WWE champ to elevate that title a little more.

Thoughts on this people???

 

[Mr.Fortuna]

I have always though that they could have a de-facto brand split purely for house shows, just because the Undisputed WWE Champion wouldn't be there doesn't mean that they can't put a show on.

Lets say CM Punk was Undisputed Champion, and there were two house shows for same day, CM Punk goes to one with say Orton appearing and Cena and Miz are at the other. Also perhaps have the IC Champion at the show without the WWE champ to elevate that title a little more.

Thoughts on this people???

I totally agree with you. Thats how it used to be done pre 2002 and if you go back to the late 80's and early 90's the wwe would put on 3 shows a day, just goes to show you how huge the roster was. They should emphasis the IC title as the second major championship and have it defended as the main event of the night. The IC title should be unified with the WH Championship. Cody Rhodes should be that champion.

We as fans have been spoiled and want to see every wrestler on every show every week. Not every show needs to be a supercard or supershow and not every wrestler has to appear every monday night or friday night. Make people miss you the payoff will be better for the company and the wrestler.

 

[BC1978]

There has never been a BRAND EXTENSION... VKM doesnt understand BRAND EXTENSION he thinks having two TV shows with different stars is brand extension. It's not when the products are the SAME. If VKM wanted true Brand Extension he'd Make Raw the Adult Show & Smackdown would be the kids show. Hell ECW could be brought back and be the XXX Rated show.

 

[BC1978]

tell me something guys if we were to revamp the whole idea of a Brand extension how would you guys go around doing it.?

Would you keep 2 world titles, or unify them. Would you make IC Title and the US title the main brands championships? Very interested to hear your ideas.

PS. Does smackdown need to be LIVE if the brand extension were to end?

I would keep both world titles... He'll I'd probably add titles why not bring back the European & CW titles. Or push Zach's belt as a real championship.

I would make RAW an Adult Program with Blood and TNA and bad language.

Smackdown would be the kids show with the Cruiserweights (Cara & Mistero), Super Cena, and the rest of the cartoon gimicks.

Then I'd bring back ECW get them a deal on pay cable (HBO or Showtime) and they'd be loaded with Blood and TNA.

 

[VABurghman]

With the advent of the Raw and Smackdown Supershows which can have Superstars from either show, is the whole "Branding" idea finally dead?? This is a Golden opportunity for WWE to bring the company back together and create a stronger show.

Title Unification at Wrestlemania. There is NO need for 2 title belts. Never was. Start it off with an announcement and unveiling of the new Unified title belt incorporating both traditional WWE and WCW belt designs into a new belt. Main event of Wrestlemania is World Champ vs WWE Champ (which are basically billed as equals), there can be only 1. Limit the remaining titles to I.C., U.S., and World Tag Team Titles. All belts are defendable on both shows. In the womens division simply have a World Title and a World Tag Title. No need for Diva's title which is too commercial in appeal.

In this process add to the WWE site right on the home page, the list of current Champions. Below each champion a link to #1 contendors. Bring wrestling back to it's golden age. Get rid of the "this guy attacks that guy so let's give him 100 title matches before we start a new storyline" atmosphere and bring in the process of earning title shots again. Seems like the only way to have a title shot in todays show is to have a feud. You can still have storylines and feuds in the middle of it (worked before) but at least you give validity to the titles. Right now, you go to the WWE site and you don't immediately know who the champs are and who their contendors are.

I know I have read a lot and heard a lot of how Wrestling has been removed from the show. Truly, it has been. Best thing WWE could do with their product, is make it look like a sport again.

 

[Kev Laws]

This has been talked about ever since the brand split, I like the idea but I also like that separate shows gives more talent TV time.

 

[TheSammichEater]

I don't like the idea of putting in aspects of both titles, just make a brand new one that hasn't been seen before as long as it can't spin.

there was a thread not too long ago that talked about Power Rankings and I'm pretty sure everyone already shot that idea down. I don't think it would be terrible, as long as it doesn't turn into a BCS ordeal

I think that the complete-separation of brands is over, but they should never completely take it away. It provides a way for the midcarders to have a role on one of the main shows.

As for the Unification of the World Titles, I just thought of an idea. At a PPV, probably Rumble, maybe before, have a Champ vs Champ much. Winner obviously unifies them. Then bring in Cody Rhodes and his IC title. EVERYONE is saying how to bring prestige back to the belt. Well, it's almost simple if they unify those belts. Just have him parade around saying how it is the best title on SD or even just as good as the Unified title. It is automatically the #2 and will definitely bring back prestige to it. Have him take on some ME's and defeat a few before dropping it to one

 

[VABurghman]

This has been talked about ever since the brand split, I like the idea but I also like that separate shows gives more talent TV time.

Never had a problem with talent getting TV time when it was only Saturdays. And that show was BETTER.

 

[Da Big Champ]

I was recently thinking about all the talent that WWE has and that ECW would have been good for them because there is a lot of talent not being used on Smackdown or Raw but are over with the fans and then some that are not over because they never get TV time. I know many people will use ECW as an example why there should not be another show but ECW was a mess. It started by having people expect the original ECW and it went with the Smackdown show for tours and taping. This new brand would have to be original and would have to tour on its own and be treated like a seperate brand. A great way would be to put main eventers on the brand. Also put 2 titles on the brand like Smackdown and Raw. They could be the European title and a world title maybe call it the international championship?

This would help get guys over but it would also help guys like Alex Riley stay over and give some guys the chance to shine.

What are your ideas and if you don't think there should be another brand tell me why and don't use ECW as an example.

 

[Alastor]

You got it backwards. The wrestlers work for WWE, not WWE work for the wrestlers. Talents can still be utilised even without getting tv time on the 2 main shows. There are two shows for the lower -midcard wrestlers to gain tv time or learn to work the tv way, NXT and Superstars.

If anyone says these shows do not provide exposure to the wrestlers because nobody watches them, then ask yourself why would a third brand be any different? What super magical show/theme can gain viewers compared to a 1hr wrestling show with history (superstars) or a revolutionary (lol) rookie fighting for a contract third show(NXT)?

A third brand is redundant, adds costs, adds confusion to the average viewer and dilute the roster of talents even more. No ECW reference in the post.

 

[Da Big Champ]

I watch both NXT and Superstars and there are some good matches but why they need a third brand is because there are so many guys who risk losing momentum. Guys like Alex Riley who many people thought would be the US champion. Guys like Kofi Kingston who should be close to main event level and after his fued with Randy Orton many people thought he would be in Main Event level. There are also guys like curt hawkins and Tyler Reks who if given time on a main show could do well because they have been intresting on NXT. You would also put main eventers on the show to get fans to tune in and to get fans to buy tickets and you wouldnt let it be taped before smackdown or raw you would let it be its own show.