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According to the WWE Network's wikipedia page, they are planning on introducing two new in-ring show when the network comes out, maybe these two will be the chance for the unseen wrestlers to be seen.
 
The brand system is working very nicely right now. I like that Raw gives you the big stars and the flash, while Smackdown is for long, classic matches and features in-ring specialists. The "Supershow" concept is great also because "hot" wrestlers like Ziggler and Ryder get more TV time which is what the fans want. Superstars is a great Saturday morning recap show, not sure why it isn't aired in syndication to hype the brand to kids on the weekends.

The NXT situation is what stands out to me. NXT is a weird hybrid show that is in a bit of a rut, but features some less successful veterans and up-and-comers. They wanted it to be a game show that introduced new stars... Isn't that what Tough Enough is? I think NXT should be the 3rd brand. I think it should introduce some heavy duty fan interaction to the show, through the live crowd and the internet. Let fans at the shows get in the ring and judge the rookies. Air video clips of fans ranting about the talent on NXT. Have fans vote online for their favorite. Use legends as pros more often. Lastly, give the show one championship. It can be a cup, or a medal, or even a belt but it should have a "face" of the brand. Anything's an improvement over what it is now: Odd and confusing.


I couldn't agree with you anymore.

About NXT, I really don't understand what is going on. People in the crowd come to watch NXT because they come to watch Smackdown which is right after. If NXT was taped alone, nobody would come to watch it.

In my opinion a third brand would work a lot better than NXT. Simply because, having a new championship to contend for would be great. We can see more of the WWE roster. An incentive, like , the winner of this championship gets a guaranteed WWE/WHC match at the next PPV or Wrestlemania. Just saying
 
3 brands would be an amazing idea , if done correctly . They need to change raw and smackdown and raw a bit first, like moving Randy back to raw and swapping some mid card talent but after they got there main brands right they could easy put on a third lesser brand. Some guys that have huge amounts of talent are just being wasted... Without really a chance to show what they have got to offer ..... Plus It would be awesome for there struggling divisions
 
3 brands would be an amazing idea , if done correctly . They need to change raw and smackdown and raw a bit first, like moving Randy back to raw and swapping some mid card talent but after they got there main brands right they could easy put on a third lesser brand. Some guys that have huge amounts of talent are just being wasted... Without really a chance to show what they have got to offer ..... Plus It would be awesome for there struggling divisions

The thing is, they have Superstars for that. Repackage it, stick it back on TV and give it (a) title(s), and the problem still remains that no one would watch it because it's lower card talent that doesn't draw.

Oh and just get rid of NXT, or change it back to what it was like in Season 1. That was interesting, but now it is unbelievably boring. This season is on about 50 episodes now. What's the point? Just scrap it, please.
 
The extension has to stay but fixed......the way the rosters are now is stupid. They need to have make good rosters the can work with for a year then have a draft. But the draft should only have 10 changes tops not like 30 they had last time..... But the extension should stay if anything a third lesser brand should be added
 
Brand Extension needs to go..It needs to be how it use to be before 2002.

That was perfect, I understand why they needed to implement the brand extension in 2002. But after Rock, Austin left...You had Batista, Brock Lesnar, Goldberg, Undertaker, Kurt Angle, Triple H, HBK, Randy Orton, Eddie Guerrero, John Cena, and the list goes on, they NEEDED a brand extension when they had so much talent..

Who do we have now? FULL TIME?
Randy Orton, CM Punk, John Cena....No Dolph, Cody, Wade, aren't main eventers yet.


If it were to hand, Alberto Del Rio would have been a MUCH more credible WWE Champion, because he would BE THE MAN in the E...You would have, Orton, Punk, Henry, Etc all fighting for one championship which would have made the WWE championship much more credible again, and making the US and IC credible automatically.

And LOL @ the guy saying how Brand exclusive PPvs need to come back, they can hardly sell a PPV with both of the brands....
 
I argee that they should get rid of nxt ...... And to fix the people watching it part make the show interesting, have a title have story lines(that make sense) really show off the the talent . Put the old nexus guys on there , nxt wasn't that bad when they had the original guys on....
 
u gotta look at this the same say an overcrowded school district makes a new school to relieve preassure. They create a new school consisting of mutiple grades and take away some of upper grades in a middle school and combine those with 9th grade or they might create an intermediate school to house the lower grade from a middle school and the upper grade of an elementary school.

Basically WWE needs either a third brand or a revived federation. The OP cant have a third brand with start up tallent. Thats a fundementally flawed concept. You have to take the main even and partition that by 3. You have to take the upper midcard and introduce them to the main event to compensate for the main event being spread thin. some of the up and comers have to be upgraded to the midcard. a good way to do that is to let them keep their old names, personas, and histories so they can kinda have legs to stand on. If they are non WWE natives WWE has to get over that.

There are 3 issues though. The failure of ECW brand, WWE stars jumping to frequently between brands, and the lineage of the World title. It has to be made clear that it shares lineage with the undisupted title. It came about kinda through the same means that the WWWF and AWA titles came to be in 1963 and 1959 respectively. The two titles have to be equal and they have to be viewed as splinter titles to the orginal WWWF/WWF title to remain legitimate.

If there is to be a brand, there has to be complete seperation. there is such a thinline between brands and shows so when a guy goes to SD he should expect to be there maybe his whole career or atleast half of it. Unless they get so big they have to put them against other stars onother brands 85% of the roster should not brand jump and should mold themselves to their brands as if it were an actual seperate company.


WWECW was a good idea because they had access to the ECW World, TV, and tag teram titles. Those titles arent created out of thin air, the company was from 1992-2001 a sovereign entity with credibility. If WWE had promoted ECW as a revived orginization as opposed to a brand it would had survived. If they had kept ECW original they could have allowed it to tour different cities without having to piggy back on SD's back or whoever. WWE should had TAKEN THE SAME APPROACH THE NFL TOOK TO THE AMERICAN FOOTBALL LEAGUE AFTER THE "MERGER"/TAKEOVER. mCmAHON was too concerned trying to hurt ECW over grudges his ******ed ass held from 1996 or somethin.


If the brand is perceived as a start up for newcomers I will not watch it at all.. Most people won't, even if there is no other wrestling to watch on tv.. If FCW is put on TV i won't watch it because its just a dumb indy under the tutelage of WWE.. its title is not an accolade.
 
If they want to keep the brand extension alive...they need to differentiate the two brands. I know SmackDown is more wrestling oriented, but I dont think that is enough of a difference. Besides Orton they dont really have any star power on SD. So make it a little more aggressive and controversial like it used to be. Change up how they do backstage segments. Just make the format of the show look different from Raw. Thats how I think you can compensate for the lack of stars on that brand. Really turn it into a different product from Raw.
 
WWE has already unified the tag belts and the womens belts. Many people say they shouldnt unify the titles because of these two examples of how bad it would turn out. Well these two examples are bad examples because there is literally no one to compete against in the tag division and in the womens divison the only people they promote are Beth, Kelly, Eve, Natalya, and Alicia. And frankly i am tired of seeing the same people wrestle every week in the womens division. Its always Beth/Natalya vs. Eve/Kelly and an occasional Alicia. They dont establish either one of these divisions properly and that is why they are bad examples.

In the mid card there are only like a few guys. Theres Swagger, Rhodes, Ryder and Ziggler.No other competition. But if the U.S. and I.C. titles unified then that would open doors for the undercarders like Hunico, Primo you know the guys in the dark matches and on Superstars. Seeing as how it would be a feud that could be on both brands thats twice the time meaning twice the amount of time before that those guys didnt have enough of.

This will also allow for more nontitle feuds which is also needed. Thats 3 matches for the titles at PPV's, 4 if you add in the tag team, and 2 for non title feuds which could boost a wrestlers momentum. This will also make one Money in the Bank briefcase which is also needed. When WWE made gives someone a briefcase they are making another screw up. Take Jack Swagger and Miz for examples, they both were given the titles way too early as Miz had not fully established himself as a main eventer and Swagger didnt establish himself at all and eventually lost the titles and went back down to a mid card level. But when there are 2 briefcases that just makes 2 problems in one night.

People always talk about how John Cena has had to carry the WWE on his shoulders for years because in the Attitude era there were many guys to hold up the company. If the unified the WWE and WHC titles that will allow more people to be in that spotlight, and also those very people will be on both RAW and Smackdown carrying out their feuds so thats twice the build up time as before which WWE desperately needs.

WWE if you want to get out of that hole you've been in since you've created 2 different sets of titles that just keeps getting deeper? Apply this equation.

Title + Title = Better Product
 
Then how will they ensure that each superstar gets their 10+ world title reigns? In all seriousness though I think that the world titles should be combined. I think that the us and ic should remain separate though. My reasoning is their needs to be one top title to signify the best of the WWE. You can't be the best when there is another equally important belt. For U.S. and IC it would be fine to keep because there is plenty of room for 2 mid card belts since we no longer have the European, Hardcore, Television or Lightheavy/Cruiserweight titles.
 
The influx of wrestlers from the WCW/ECW buyouts is exactly why they started doing two belts. If they unify all the singles titles, there'd be less time for everybody. It just wouldn't make sense to unify any more titles.
 
ideally, they should...one company, one champion. It would add more prestige to the title (and it is so badly needed)..the hunt itself would be much more interesting, and it kinda ensures regularly high profile matches.
But in practice, it is probably not possible. unifying the belts would probably mean ending brand extension which again ideally would be great. But the WWE roster is way too big for that and many will never get their chance. It has been the problem since 2001 and why we`ve got the brand extension and eventually 2 belts which diminishes the meaning of being the champion imo.
 
The influx of wrestlers from the WCW/ECW buyouts is exactly why they started doing two belts. If they unify all the singles titles, there'd be less time for everybody. It just wouldn't make sense to unify any more titles.

no, they did have them, then remember Y2J unified them in 2001 at Vengence. In June 2001 they started the Invasion angle. Then in September 2002, they were split again. I think they should leave the titles the way they are now, as if you do, we may not see the "Young guns" as CM Punk posted as champions.
 
Why? No one buys the World Title as supposed equals to the WWE. having 2 "world titles" doesn't diminish being champion. It's pretty clear to anyone with a brain that the WWE title is THE title. Being WWE champion is like being world series champion, being World Champion is like being American League Champion. That's pretty much how everyone sees it. It's obvious and I'm surprised that the supposed "smart marks" don't get it.

Who cares about who has more title reigns. Hogan held the belt for 3 years, you didn't see multiple title reigns in a year back then and you don't see 3 year title reigns today. Times change, Rock held like 7 titles in about 4 years, get over it.

The titles make matches more marketable. Raw and Smackdown both need a top and a midcard title to make matches more marketable. The women's not so much. That's a small part of the show. Don't need two tag titles, because it's not economical to have 20 guys representing 10 "products". The system they have now is pretty streamlined and it fits what they're going for.
 
If the unified the WWE and WHC titles that will allow more people to be in that spotlight, and also those very people will be on both RAW and Smackdown carrying out their feuds so thats twice the build up time as before which WWE desperately needs.

How do you work that one out? You give one title instead of two, and suddenly more people can be in that spotlight? That doesn't make sense. If you combine the two titles, LESS people can be in the spotlight because there is only one title instead of two. Simple maths really. And as Raw is a Supershow as it is, they have the WHC build up on Raw and SmackDown already. Admittedly, you rarely see the WWEC being built up on SD!, but unifying them wouldn't double the build up for the WHC, because it is already promoted on Raw.

I also don't agree with the unifying of the US and IC. You make the same statement again about unifying them so it opens the doors for someone like Hunico. How? If there are LESS titles, then there are LESS people that can get involved and in the spotlight for the titles. Say, for example, that they combined the US and IC titles with the current title holders. There would be a Ryder/Rhodes feud. But this pushes out Ziggler and Booker T. Only half the people that were lined up to face Ryder or Rhodes would get a rivalry, as there could only be one at a time. So people in the lower mid-card won't get a look in.
 
for businees reasons NO....if they can run two simultaniously house shows with a world championship match on both cards, why wouldnt they...it just good business
 
The problem with the main event titles are that there are too many on the roster to have one belt and not enough to keep the title picture fresh. Yes, the WWE title is the #1 belt and the WHC is #2, but having a second place belt so high creates a glass ceiling for wrestlers to move to the better title. Maybe that's the problem that everyone see's the one strap as more prominent, but no matter how wwe pushes it, at the end of the day Raw has the more important belt. Assuming they were equal though, there would still be a shortage of competition. The summer of Punk started with so much promise and ends the year dry. Where did all the steam go? Well Punk Vs. Del Rio for the 10th time wasn't going to help anything. There aren't enough high carders to keep the fight for the belt interesting. If Orton, henry, show, christian, and whoever else tried for the WWE title then suddenly that belt means more and is more important to the company. This Opens up more non-title matches but on the other hand gives less of an opportunity for guys like Daniel Bryan to reach high levels. It's give and take. In the end though, if between 1999 and 2000 there were 2 brands and 2 main belts, would the company have ever been as entertaining as it was?
 
The problem with the main event titles are that there are too many on the roster to have one belt and not enough to keep the title picture fresh. Yes, the WWE title is the #1 belt and the WHC is #2, but having a second place belt so high creates a glass ceiling for wrestlers to move to the better title. Maybe that's the problem that everyone see's the one strap as more prominent, but no matter how wwe pushes it, at the end of the day Raw has the more important belt. Assuming they were equal though, there would still be a shortage of competition. The summer of Punk started with so much promise and ends the year dry. Where did all the steam go? Well Punk Vs. Del Rio for the 10th time wasn't going to help anything. There aren't enough high carders to keep the fight for the belt interesting. If Orton, henry, show, christian, and whoever else tried for the WWE title then suddenly that belt means more and is more important to the company. This Opens up more non-title matches but on the other hand gives less of an opportunity for guys like Daniel Bryan to reach high levels. It's give and take. In the end though, if between 1999 and 2000 there were 2 brands and 2 main belts, would the company have ever been as entertaining as it was?
Creates a glass ceiling? No, you just lose the belt, then get drafted to Raw if you're good enough. It's not a problem that people see one strap as more prominent, it makes the top guy truly the top guy. If you have the WWE title, you are seen as the top guy. If you are WHC, you are seen as raelly damn good.

I don't think the WWE title scene (well, Punk) has dried up, but I do think ADR should be out. He's clearly not drawing much. I do think that things will pick up and I believe ADR was just a holding place for whoever is going to go against Punk on the road to wrestlemania.

the WHC is kind of a tester for the WWE too. Shit, smackdown in general is like that. It's okay too because if you screw up, not as many people remember.

A lot of people don't seem to look at wrestling as a business. It is, these guys are products that they're pushing. Smackdown is like a test market.
 
Yup - definately.

The roster split seems to be slowly being phased out and it would make sense to unify the WWE and World Titles.

CM Punk v Daniel Bryan would be an awesome match to unify the belts!

I have said in multiple posts in the past that the titles need to be unififed, one company should have one WWE World Champion, end of.

It would also help the IC title as well as that becomes the second biggest title (Cody Rhodes is doing a great job with the belt though).

As for the IC and US titles, i'm on the fence. Two mid-card titles are needed but the IC and US titles are on the same level, it needs to be maybe the IC and TV title, the TV title is on the level of the European title back in the day.
 
How do you work that one out? You give one title instead of two, and suddenly more people can be in that spotlight? That doesn't make sense. If you combine the two titles, LESS people can be in the spotlight because there is only one title instead of two. Simple maths really. And as Raw is a Supershow as it is, they have the WHC build up on Raw and SmackDown already. Admittedly, you rarely see the WWEC being built up on SD!, but unifying them wouldn't double the build up for the WHC, because it is already promoted on Raw.

I also don't agree with the unifying of the US and IC. You make the same statement again about unifying them so it opens the doors for someone like Hunico. How? If there are LESS titles, then there are LESS people that can get involved and in the spotlight for the titles. Say, for example, that they combined the US and IC titles with the current title holders. There would be a Ryder/Rhodes feud. But this pushes out Ziggler and Booker T. Only half the people that were lined up to face Ryder or Rhodes would get a rivalry, as there could only be one at a time. So people in the lower mid-card won't get a look in.

Booker T? Hes an announcer he doesnt even need to be there at all. And how many people can you name that could compete for the I.C. belt?...............How many can you name to compete for the U.S. belt I mean theres Ziggler and Swagger but thats it. You can have guys like Heath Slater for example or Yoshi Tatsu compete, then fail or compete and start a feud or compete and start a nontitle feud. Anyway you go it could work because if he failed that opens the door for a new competitor, if he won that sparks a feud, if he lost and went on to a nontitle feud then that that not only puts someone else in the spotlight for the Midcard belt but it also boost both the careers of the people in the nontitle feud.
 
Needs to fucking end already.

Wouldn't it be awesome if...

Cm Punk, Kane, John Cena, Randy Orton, Christian, The Miz, etc etc.

All fought for ONE Main-Event title?

Fuck, there was a legit reason to have the brand extension from 2002-2006 but after that, it went fucking downhill.

They don't have the star power that they once use to have, don't know why the fuck their still stuck to the fucking brand extension.

If it were to end, I'm sure Daniel Fucking Bryan would not be the WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION, he'd be fighting for the US or Inter. title like he should be...

Fuck, this is one of the reasons WWF was loved because it was just one whole roster, not split into two. I can understand why they had to put the extension in 2002-2006. Back then they had stars like, Lesnar, Goldberg, Undertaker, Kurt Angle, HHH, HBK, Benoit, Guerrero, Edge, Mysterio, and etc. Fuck me, even the Jobbers, Midcarders were household names, names like Rikishi, Rhyno, Scotty 2 Hotty, Godfather.

Who the fuck do they have right now? Punk, Orton, And Cena. Thats it. I don't give a fuck about Barret, Rhodes, Del Rio. Hell if there was ONE MAINEVENT CHAMPIONSHIP, don't you think Del Rio would have been a much credible champion then the shitfest we had to go through? Hes already a 2 time champion, What the fuck.

And don't give me the shit about how Lower Carders, Mid Carders won't get time. Who the fuck watches the Lower Carders anyways? And if anything the Mid Card would get stronger as well.

Imagine if there was a extension in the late 90's. Rock, Jericho, Kane, HHH on one show, Austin, Taker, Mankind, Big Show on the other. Wouldn't it have fucking sucked?

The extension needs to end!
 
One reason I think the brand spilt does not work is because the WWE does not want too many main eventers. If each show had 7 big names on it it would be hard to fit everyone on the big four ppvs. So I think that hurt the idea.

I always had this idea but what if Smackdown and Raw were treated like two different companies? Like the only show they would be together on would be a draft show. They would have their own titles, ppvs, arenas, and magazin. I think it would be cool then for shows to battle each other to see who could put on the best show. It would be ccol to see who gets drafted because there would always be new fueds coming out of it.

I know people are going to say that some of this has been done before but I don't think they did it all the way like this.
 
When Smackdown finally came onto the air, they did quite a lot to advertise the fact that Raw and Smackdown were two different "teams" for the WWE. And as such, want to give the fans a better reason to watch their show instead of the others. The brand split worked very well for main-event guys that needed to get out of the shadow and into their own Main-event like Randy Orton and Mark Henry, but it didn't really work for guys the lower card guys who didn't really have much to do. Now that the brand split is pretty much over, both shows have been overall better. Every superstar has a chance to shine on Raw or Smackdown. And the fact that feuds can start on RAW and boil over to Smackdown helps improve the overall awareness of the shows and the Superstars involved.
 
When Smackdown finally came onto the air, they did quite a lot to advertise the fact that Raw and Smackdown were two different "teams" for the WWE. And as such, want to give the fans a better reason to watch their show instead of the others. The brand split worked very well for main-event guys that needed to get out of the shadow and into their own Main-event like Randy Orton and Mark Henry, but it didn't really work for guys the lower card guys who didn't really have much to do. Now that the brand split is pretty much over, both shows have been overall better. Every superstar has a chance to shine on Raw or Smackdown. And the fact that feuds can start on RAW and boil over to Smackdown helps improve the overall awareness of the shows and the Superstars involved.

The Brand extension was suppose to also free up time and give the mid-carders a chance to appear on the shows. Not having Cena, Orton and Triple H on Smackdown was suppose to give more time to the mid-carders.
I don't watch Smackdown, only RAW. Sadly, it didn't work as well with RAW. Cena or the main eventers took up at least 1/3 of the show. The rest was just filler or throw away storylines (Bryan hooking up with Gail Kim, Swagger and Ziggler rivalry even though they are on the same team, etc). Ending the brand extension allowed guys like Sheamus (upper mid-card at the moment) too appear on both shows and gain a lot more momentum instead of being on 1 show.
 

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