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Who would have thought after all these years I would not mark for or be excited to see Flair on my TV?
He is forced to be tame.... and whenever he is on the TV there really seems no point of his appearance (the segment would be the same with or without him). I mean other than when he addressed the crowd and said (paraphrasing) cheer Cena b/c I am God.... other than that line he looked like he had been shot with a tranquilizer before going out there.
Now I am not asking for him to come out of retirement b/c that is unnecessary... but is it time for WWE to stop calling him and using him in stupid pointless situations?
I say yes....
 
I am a younger fan but I have never been excited for Flair, from Evolution through TNA to his constant returns now I am just never interested, he is an old man clinging onto the past and fan nostalgia keeps giving him work but it has been over 10 Years since I have been interested in seeing him.

Thats my personal opinion but I am also a hater of seeing Hogan, Kliq and all these legends who are no longer physically capable returning and doing the same things they did before but clearly looking far worse physically. However I am ok with legend or older guys returning if they can go for example Goldust, Rhyno and the Dudley's
 
I have no idea why people hate on Ric Flair. I'm a huge fan of his and wish he would come back more often.

Other legends randomly come back for no reason. The Rock, Stone Cold, Hulk Hogan, Mick Foley, etc. They're legends, and they can come back when they want. That includes Flair.

It also made perfect sense for Flair to be on Raw last night. Stewart cost Cena the title to protect Flair's record. How simpler can it get?
 
I don't mind seeing Flair on TV, but I can understand why some fans dislike him being there. It does sometimes seem like WWE use him for the sake of it.

However, the man is a legend and has done more for the business than almost any other wrestler in history, so I think he deserves the right to show up in a small role whenever. As long as he doesn't get in the ring again, and simply pops up in a backstage segment, or appears on the Raw pre-show etc, I'm totally fine with that.

Personally, I'd like to see him as an on-screen manager for Charlotte or in a JJ Dillon role of a new Four Horsemen faction, but I doubt we'll see either of those scenarios occuring.
 
I mean other than when he addressed the crowd and said (paraphrasing) cheer Cena b/c I am God....

That's essentially true; the main reason he shows up is to be honored, in one form or another.....and that was so last night. Whether he was there or not made no difference in the actions of Stewart and Cena.....and once the deed was done, Flair simply left the ring.

Still, perhaps because I'm older than most of you (36), I get a charge out of seeing Flair, perhaps because I remember some of his best days in the ring. Really, WWE doesn't bring him out too often, which is good if he has no true function except to stir up us old-timers.

Besides, has anyone noticed he has many of Charlotte Flair's moves? :)
 
That's essentially true; the main reason he shows up is to be honored, in one form or another.....and that was so last night. Whether he was there or not made no difference in the actions of Stewart and Cena.....and once the deed was done, Flair simply left the ring.

Still, perhaps because I'm older than most of you (36), I get a charge out of seeing Flair, perhaps because I remember some of his best days in the ring. Really, WWE doesn't bring him out too often, which is good if he has no true function except to stir up us old-timers.

Besides, has anyone noticed he has many of Charlotte Flair's moves? :)

I'm 34 so I understand and love Flair too..... it just seems maybe they have toned him down a bit... wasn't he involved in a situation with Jim Ross a few years ago. Maybe they tell him keep your mouth shut and keep getting a check so since he needs that money he does that.
 
Personally I am not sick of seeing these occasional Ric Flair appearances at this stage of the game as they are fairly infrequent, typically reasonably short, and I guess a superstar of his magnitude has earned the occasional stroking of his colossal ego. No, I'm not bored with the appearances, but they elicit very little reacts from me whatsoever. I marked out a little from the surprising Dudley appearance as for me it was totally unexpected (and I'm still waiting for the arrival of their female valet/manager). I enjoyed the debut of the new Wyatt family member. And I was entertained by the presence of Sting in that last segment (although I'm not sold on him getting a title shot). But for Ric Flair, it elicited very little reaction from me, positively or negatively. It was OK, I didn't mind it, but I was never a huge Flair guy even back in the day, and "the day" was decades ago.

My only concern with these Flair appearances is I'm a little concerned that there's going to be more of them, in terms of frequency and length, pertaining to his daughter. Initially, Charlotte seemed to be doing her thing independently of her famous dad. Sure, there was the theme music similarity, but other than that, she was doing her own thing, earning her own spot. Now all of a sudden, she's wooing all of the place, talking about her father frequently, referencing the horsemen, etc., I've been a fan of Charlotte in NXT, and so far in WWE, but I don't want to see them force feeding her to us, employing her father to assist in doing so. In fairness, they aren't guilty of this yet, however if they begin to head down this road, they are going to turn me off from Charlotte Flair. At which point, I'm quite certain I will be bored to tears with Ric Flair.

I also hope they don't go too far into the whole "John Cena tying the record number of title reigns as Ric Flair" schtick. It already ruined the Cena /Rollins storyline for me at Summerslam. I don't want to be listening to that for months and months until the inevitable happens either.
 
Flair's appearances are in frequent, usually to stir up trouble storyline wise or advance a storyline for current stars then quickly exit, leaving the spotlight to the active stars.

The same way many other "old timers" did back in the day. He is still a great promo guy and gets huge pops from live crowds, and his DVD sets are among the best selling all time. Obviously there is an audience for him.

Admittedly, he is at this stage best suited to these occasional "guest spots" because he cant go in the ring anymore. In that he is as useful as Steve Austin, another "old timer" or "has been" who has no chance of actively WRESTLING a match but can fire up the crowd and at least draw some older fans into to watch a few segments.

Flair has the character and promo ability to be a good on screen manager but WWE hasn't seen clear to use him full time in that capacity. The only downside is much like Austin Flair is a larger than life persona that could possibly over shine the talent he is associated with. Still, that can work to get guys over (look at Bobby Heenan).

As it is if Austin, Flair, Nash, HBK can advance a storyline or pop a crowd I have no problem with it. As long as WWE doesn't embarrass them - Nash is almost crippled ( I can hear the quad jokes people reading this are making right now), HBK is a back surgeons dream, Austin is worse, Stone Cold couldn't take a bump if his life depended on it, Flair is closer to 70 than 60. As a non wrestling manager or occasional guest star it's good for the show and I have no issue with it.

Honestly, Im more interested in most of these "guest spots" than I am anything Dolph Ziggler/Lanna do (boring), along with Rusev (waste of a good push, he's doing nothing of note now), or Kane (who has had so many character changes and lost so many important matches they've ruined any interest in him).
 
Flair is a legend. With him not being on TV every week it makes his appearances more special. I would love to see him manage a younger talent like Ziggler or Cesaro, if anybody can get those guys to the next level it's him.
 
Yep, totally disappointed by Flair calling himself God last night. And Honestly, Bo Dallas' surprise calling out of Lesnar made me happier than did the surprise of Flair coming out to the ring. I'm most always in support of legend wrestlers coming out just to cut a quick promo or give a rub, and am a long time Flair fan, but come on man, don't come out and call yourself God. Take a lesson from someone who was better that you, Mick Foley, when there started calling him God, he made them add another O and say Foley is good.
 
Yep, totally disappointed by Flair calling himself God last night. And Honestly, Bo Dallas' surprise calling out of Lesnar made me happier than did the surprise of Flair coming out to the ring. I'm most always in support of legend wrestlers coming out just to cut a quick promo or give a rub, and am a long time Flair fan, but come on man, don't come out and call yourself God. Take a lesson from someone who was better that you, Mick Foley, when there started calling him God, he made them add another O and say Foley is good.

Sorry I said the God line was the BEST part of the promo....
Otherwise he has been toned down and he doesn't really say or do anything to put anyone over or further any storylines imo
 
Sorry I said the God line was the BEST part of the promo....
Otherwise he has been toned down and he doesn't really say or do anything to put anyone over or further any storylines imo

Well, I guess it was because here we are talking about it. Even if people disagree with what he said, he did a good job of creating controversy, and that's what its all about.
 
Yep, totally disappointed by Flair calling himself God last night. And Honestly, Bo Dallas' surprise calling out of Lesnar made me happier than did the surprise of Flair coming out to the ring. I'm most always in support of legend wrestlers coming out just to cut a quick promo or give a rub, and am a long time Flair fan, but come on man, don't come out and call yourself God. Take a lesson from someone who was better that you, Mick Foley, when there started calling him God, he made them add another O and say Foley is good.

Mick Foley better than Ric Flair, seriously? That is preposterous and inaccurate. Mick Foley was a stuntman, that couldn't "wrestle" to save his life. Ric Flair was a wrestler that didn't rely on jumping off cages or falling into thumbtacks to get over. He came to the ring and worked. To honestly say that Foley is better than Flair is a slap in the face. There is simply no comparison between the two. Flair is the reason the majority of people want to be wrestlers, and is revered and respected as one of, if not the greatest of all time.
 
Mick Foley better than Ric Flair, seriously? That is preposterous and inaccurate. Mick Foley was a stuntman, that couldn't "wrestle" to save his life. Ric Flair was a wrestler that didn't rely on jumping off cages or falling into thumbtacks to get over. He came to the ring and worked. To honestly say that Foley is better than Flair is a slap in the face. There is simply no comparison between the two. Flair is the reason the majority of people want to be wrestlers, and is revered and respected as one of, if not the greatest of all time.


I think he just meant Foley was better than Flair morally when it came to each of them being called God (by redirecting the phrasing to 'Good' instead), which I don't necessarily agree with either, but I don't think he was actually saying Foley had a better pro wrestling career.

That said, I do still appreciate seeing Flair whenever he comes out. I actually keep my eyes on Flair even if he isn't talking just because of his facial expressions and mannerisms in reaction to the other wrestlers.
 
Mick Foley better than Ric Flair, seriously? That is preposterous and inaccurate. Mick Foley was a stuntman, that couldn't "wrestle" to save his life. Ric Flair was a wrestler that didn't rely on jumping off cages or falling into thumbtacks to get over. He came to the ring and worked. To honestly say that Foley is better than Flair is a slap in the face. There is simply no comparison between the two. Flair is the reason the majority of people want to be wrestlers, and is revered and respected as one of, if not the greatest of all time.

This is one that can be argued until the cows come home, but in my opinion Foley is better. We can start by saying that Mick Foley was the main feature in the highest rated raw segment of all time. Now it is true that Flair technically had more accomplishments than Did Foley, but remember what you accomplish in wrestling has at least 50% to do with how you look. And Foley wasn't born with half the looks Flair was. You could judge it on originality, and Flair had none of that. He stole his nickname and finishing move, and his catch phrase was woo, must have been a lot of sleepless nights coming up with that one. We could talk about memorability. We could all name at least 3 classic Foley moments but I doubt we could do that for Flair. Flair was carried the latter half of his career, first by Sting, then By HBK, then by HHH. Foley changed the WWF by basically creating the hardcore era all by himself. Flair is good at riling up the crowd with his woo-ing and strutting, but Foley could do it with his performance.

No significant disrespect for Flair here, but Foley was an innovator Flair was a guy that took what others did and added a little here and there. Flair was always part of factions, and rarely stood on his own two feet.
 
This is one that can be argued until the cows come home, but in my opinion Foley is better. We can start by saying that Mick Foley was the main feature in the highest rated raw segment of all time. Now it is true that Flair technically had more accomplishments than Did Foley, but remember what you accomplish in wrestling has at least 50% to do with how you look. And Foley wasn't born with half the looks Flair was. You could judge it on originality, and Flair had none of that. He stole his nickname and finishing move, and his catch phrase was woo, must have been a lot of sleepless nights coming up with that one. We could talk about memorability. We could all name at least 3 classic Foley moments but I doubt we could do that for Flair. Flair was carried the latter half of his career, first by Sting, then By HBK, then by HHH. Foley changed the WWF by basically creating the hardcore era all by himself. Flair is good at riling up the crowd with his woo-ing and strutting, but Foley could do it with his performance.

No significant disrespect for Flair here, but Foley was an innovator Flair was a guy that took what others did and added a little here and there. Flair was always part of factions, and rarely stood on his own two feet.

Foley didn't create the hardcore era, ECW and Paul Heyman created the hardcore era, which both WWE and WCW borrowed. And yes, Foley was in the highest rated Raw segment, but think about what that segment was. It was a vehicle to get Rock over, Foley had nothing to do with that segment being popular. And 3 classic moments involving Foley, any big moment I think of with Foley involved him falling off or into something, which is nothing special. Moments involving Flair, let's see, winning his first World Title from Harley Race, surviving and coming back from a horrific plane crash that left several dead and him with a broken back, the dominance of the Horsemen, the classic time limit draw with Sting, the tremendous series with Ricky Steamboat, the emotional reunion of the Horsemen on Nitro in 1999, not to mention every single time he did an interview which were classic on their own. I could keep going on and on with classic Flair moments, as I haven't even scratched the surface yet. Then you talk about originality, well what was original about falling off a cage? Catchphrases, what's special about Foley's catchphrase, "Have a nice day", boy that's original isn't it? Something that is said everyday by millions of people, hardly anything special. And also lets not forget, that if it hadn't been for JR, Foley would have never gotten over at all. Jim Ross made Foley a star.

But hey, you like Foley, that's your opinion, and that's fine. Like who you want, but when all is said and done, and the list is made of top stars, Flair will always be at the top, way ahead of Foley.
 
Foley didn't create the hardcore era, ECW and Paul Heyman created the hardcore era, which both WWE and WCW borrowed. And yes, Foley was in the highest rated Raw segment, but think about what that segment was. It was a vehicle to get Rock over, Foley had nothing to do with that segment being popular. And 3 classic moments involving Foley, any big moment I think of with Foley involved him falling off or into something, which is nothing special. Moments involving Flair, let's see, winning his first World Title from Harley Race, surviving and coming back from a horrific plane crash that left several dead and him with a broken back, the dominance of the Horsemen, the classic time limit draw with Sting, the tremendous series with Ricky Steamboat, the emotional reunion of the Horsemen on Nitro in 1999, not to mention every single time he did an interview which were classic on their own. I could keep going on and on with classic Flair moments, as I haven't even scratched the surface yet. Then you talk about originality, well what was original about falling off a cage? Catchphrases, what's special about Foley's catchphrase, "Have a nice day", boy that's original isn't it? Something that is said everyday by millions of people, hardly anything special. And also lets not forget, that if it hadn't been for JR, Foley would have never gotten over at all. Jim Ross made Foley a star.

But hey, you like Foley, that's your opinion, and that's fine. Like who you want, but when all is said and done, and the list is made of top stars, Flair will always be at the top, way ahead of Foley.


Foley and Funk were soaked in blood in Japan while Heyman was hitting people with big cell phones in WCW. The Rock had no need of getting over at that point, he already was. That segment was seen by more people than any other because it was funny and entertaining. People had plenty of chances to turn the channel and watch Flair, and whatever faction he was in at the time get beat up by Hogan, Hall, and Nash, but they were tired of it.

Flair is great at appearing to be star. He's got the robe (another unoriginal) he's got the announcers telling everyone how great he is, and he's got the cult following.

And there always will be a lot more people who like Flair. Just like fans in the 80's were practically programmed to like Hogan, they are given the same treatment with Flair, If you've watch wrestling almost anytime in the last 30 years you've been told how great these two were. In my opinion there may be two dozen wrestlers who were better than these two, but they were guys who the boss didn't want pushed. So many were so much better at in ring work, story telling, cutting promos, and other skills, but don't get the recognition. Flair was selected to be this great legend of wrestling, not by fans but by promoters, the people who knew fit the image they wanted portrayed.

In all those scenarios listed above, if you insert an alternate for Flair, you have basically the same result, a good match. If you remove Flair from wrestling history all you really lose is a few good matches. Someone else could've replaced Flair in all his factions and championship matches. Someone else could've said WOO and slapped men in their chest. His performances and accomplishments are nothing special, just promoted well. His 16 title record is hard to argue with, but many of the did come from a 'B' promotion though. WCW sucked for like ten years, so him, Sting and whatever former WWF wrestler WCW had at the time could keep trading their title back and forth and begin to rack up those 16 titles.

If you remove Foley from wrestling history, the attitude era suffers greatly. There is no work horse there to make Austin, Rock, Taker and HBK look like super bad asses. If Foley doesnt popularize barbwire and over all hardcore, then we may never have ECW, which helped WWE put pressure on WCW. And the fall of the cage was possibly the most dangerous stunt ever attempted at that time. Foley was the golden goose of the Attitude era, He was always there to put over the guys that fit the image the promoter wanted. People credit Austin, Rock, DX, McMahon with the Attitude era, but Foley presented the shock value that didn't come from language or body exposure. When you watched him you knew he'd get his ass whipped, but you had no idea how. You didn't know if it would be a clean 123, or trip off a HIAC, or a dozen or more chair shots. When you watched Flair you knew exactly what was coming a strut, a woo, a chop, a leg lock.

Yes, Flair will be honored more than Foley, but he's not a better wrestler.
 
Not sure how someone can be bored with Flair. He's retired and only shows up a few times a year for a few minutes at a time. It's not like he's hogging the spotlight and taking spots from the younger guys.

And Flair is God.

Deal with it.

Wooooooooo!
 
The usual desperate for someone to retire and disapear thread, WWE probably tries to cater to all demographics and probably likes to please their older fans by bringing out an occasional legend for an appearance, WWE isn't there just to appease 10 year old kids so get over it, If you don't like seeing legends don't watch or is that too simple? Personally I love seeing legends back for occasional appearances and would love to see Flair back more often preferebly in some kind of managerial role.
 
I like Foley, but what feud did he ever win? The only memorable WINS he ever had were 2 that I can think of, against the Rock both times. One he won the title and the other one in the empty arena brawl during a Super Bowl halftime.

I know losing the majority of your feuds doesn't mean you are a bad wrestler, but being great is a combination of talent, charisma, and the ability to get yourself over. Flair succeeded in that. Foley was over, but the bookers never really wanted him to win anything. Why is that? His world title reign was more of a thank you than anything else.
 
I am a younger fan but I have never been excited for Flair, from Evolution through TNA to his constant returns now I am just never interested, he is an old man clinging onto the past and fan nostalgia keeps giving him work but it has been over 10 Years since I have been interested in seeing him.

Ric Flair has been an old man clinging onto his past since the early 90s.
 

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