I disagree with the Kane mentions, because his type of character can get totally over with the fans without needing the belt, so I don't consider him to be misused at all. Some guys need the belt, some don't. Kane doesn't. I do think that Jimmy Wang Yang is the most spectacular wrestler nobody ever sees wrestle, and I miss the days when Victoria was badass. She is being wasted right now...but she isn't even the most misused diva ever. That would be Ivory. However, I think the biggest misuse of talent ever conducted by the WWF/WWE has to be the Ultimate Warrior. I think elevating that loser to the WWF title is a complete misuse of his non-talent. The original poster never said that the misuse had to be a talented wrestler being held down...in this case, I think the Warrior's talent was completely misused by being overpushed.
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Biggest Missuse of Talent ever commited by Vince Mcmahon
- Thread starter rockofhysteria
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Prince Punk
Pre-Show Stalwart
four names first up Carlito more than likely for pissing someone off Great mic skills great wrestler gets stuck doing road runner skits with little horny.....Y2J just for the fact that the man is one of the best out there and WWE refuses to really use him in any good way (a feud with JBL counts for nothing) Rey Mysterio now this one pisses me off Rey is a great wrestler who they either job or have him win by weird ass DQ's I mean talk about tearing a guy down. But those are just the runner ups Shelton Benjamin takes the cake This poor soul Great wrestler very athletic but because his mic skills were not where they wanted them they made him into a jobbing tool I mean that blonde hair really needs to go!
A lot of Carlito and Shelton Benjamin's problems stem from the fact that they are lazy and don't try to improve, not because they are being held back...I mean, they are being held back, but its because of their own lack of efforts. Triple H didn't become the 11 time champion because it was given to him, Flair didn't get to be the 16 time champion because someone gave it to him either...both men worked extremely hard to get where they were, strived to be the best...Carlito and Benjamin seem content to be midcarders, so they don't have to step up their game. Shelton Benjamin is a natural athlete, don't get me wrong. Watching him wrestle, its obvious that it comes easy for him. However, that means he perhaps doesn't have the discipline others have. He is like a basketball player that can shoot 85% from the free throw line without practicing. He is happy with that 85%, so he doesn't try to get better. If he practiced more, he could become a 90% shooter, but, he doesn't want to become a 90% free throw shooter enough to put in the time. Flair and HHH meanwhile, worked their asses off to get where they got. Until Carlito and Benjamin are willing to step up their game, to strive to become the absolute best, they will never rise above midcard status. They are B+ wrestlers, unfortunately to be a champion, you need to be an A or A+. There is no reason, other than their own attitudes, that prevent either from becoming huge.
FlairFan2003
Mid-Card Championship Winner
[QUOTE=rockofhysteria;353146]I so agree with all the pics so far in my thread especially the cruiserweights
so here are my pics and there are a lot first here is my list of people that no longer wrestle for wwe or are retired all together that could or should have been pushed better or a champ but didnt cause of Vince. Tazz, Raven, Al Snow, Rick Martel, Owen Hart, Davey Boy Smith, RVD, Dustin Rhodes, Dusty Rhodes, Mike Rotunda(I R S) Ted Dibiase, Brutus Beefcake, Christian, Vader, SID, Jake Roberts, Ken Shamrock, Tatanka, Shane Douglas, Razor Ramon Dean Malenko and Finally Mr, Perfect all of these men in my opinion were misshandled in some way or another by vince most of the men on this part of the list should have been wwe champion but couldnt come close mainly cause of Vince Mcmahon and because of Hulk Hogan the others on the list I dont know why they werent pushed better but they should have been...
I don't consider it a waste of talent when the performer brings back stage trouble with him, be it arrests, drugs, poor work habits, doesn't get along with road agents/fellow wrestlers, etc. Guys like that will always have trouble getting a sustained push because they are not trustworthy. You hear a lot about Shelton Benjamin lacking work ethic and Carlito lacking dedication and preparation. Until one of them steps up and shows consistently that they can deliver I doubt either one will ever make it out of the mid card.
As for the names mentioned above, Rick Martel had a great gimmick with his "Model" personna and he was great ring performer but he couldn't talk and the gimmick will only get you so far if you can't deliver the promos.
Brutus Beefcake was a minimally talented weight lifter who was poor in the ring and nothing special on the mic. He never had a great match or a memorable interview even though his "barber" gimmick was interesting. His ability to even get a job relates to his friendship with Hogan. He wasn't mis-used, he was lucky to be employed as long as he was.
Tazz's career was cut short due to injury so we will never know what might have happened for him. Same with Dean Malenko although he was nothing special on the mic so he might not have advanced much farther than he did.
Shane Douglas' potential was missed by both WWE and WCW. Vince gave him multiple persona's and opportunities and he never clicked. The upstart ECW had nothing to lose so he got a good chance and finally showed some ability. This happens all the time in sports and entertainment. The Patriots spent a first round draft pick on QB Jim Plunkett and he never produced, they left him on the bench behind Steve Grogan. When he joined the Raiders he became a Super Bowl MVP. During the first season of American Idol judge Simon Cowell remarked that Justin Guirinni had "star quality" and predicted a huge career for him but remarked that eventual winner Kelly Clarkson was "nothing special". We see how that turned out.
Vader had a bad reputation for not getting along with co-workers although he recieved a huge push when he was in WWE (just not a lengthy title run).. Sid Viscous/Justice was in the midst of a championship push when he was fired over drugs. In WCW he was fired for attacking another wrestler with scissors in a hotel brawl. He also had a reputation as a lousy in ring performer and lazy worker. He was lucky he got as far as he did.
Razor Ramoan was good but he was in WWE at the height of his career during the time that Shawn Michaels, Brett Hart, and Kevin Nash were in their prime. He couldn't deliver in the ring as good as Hart or Michaels and was not as good on the mic as Nash. He had a very good run in both WWE and WCW but based on his talent and the talent around him he went as far as he should. Lets not forget he chose to leave WWE in the middle of a really good run there and his drinking and drug problems derailed an even better run in WCW.
Dusty Rhodes was mis-used. He was at the end of his career but McMahon let his personal feelings for the guy that helped Jim Crockett fight him tooth and nail for a decade get in the way of smart promotion. Dustin Rhodes never had his father's interview skills or in ring ability - in charisma he was a near zero. Vince's creation of the Gold-Dust gimmick probably saved his career although a character like that is not world champion material. Still, Dustin had an opportunity to make a lot of money he otherwise would not have had if not for Vince. He simply was too average on his own to be champion.
Curt Henning had an exceptional run from 1988-1990, one of the best in the company for someone who didn't win the world title (Rick Rude comes to mind). He was near main event status virtually from the time he arrived from the AWA (where he had shared the tag team titles with Scott Hall aka Razor Ramoan). Would he have eventually become champion ? We will never know since back injuries derailed his career and left him a part time performer but that is not Vince's fault. If Brett Hart was the one who got injured in that SummerSlam match instead of Henning maybe Mr Perfect ends up beating Ric Flair for the WWE title two years later instead of being a manager and a TV commentator.
Tatanka was another one who was all gimmick - although he was better in the ring than Beefcake or Sid. Still, looking at his ability and mic skills it is hard to imagine him as world champion over Hart, Michaels, & Nash, the top draws at the time.
so here are my pics and there are a lot first here is my list of people that no longer wrestle for wwe or are retired all together that could or should have been pushed better or a champ but didnt cause of Vince. Tazz, Raven, Al Snow, Rick Martel, Owen Hart, Davey Boy Smith, RVD, Dustin Rhodes, Dusty Rhodes, Mike Rotunda(I R S) Ted Dibiase, Brutus Beefcake, Christian, Vader, SID, Jake Roberts, Ken Shamrock, Tatanka, Shane Douglas, Razor Ramon Dean Malenko and Finally Mr, Perfect all of these men in my opinion were misshandled in some way or another by vince most of the men on this part of the list should have been wwe champion but couldnt come close mainly cause of Vince Mcmahon and because of Hulk Hogan the others on the list I dont know why they werent pushed better but they should have been...
I don't consider it a waste of talent when the performer brings back stage trouble with him, be it arrests, drugs, poor work habits, doesn't get along with road agents/fellow wrestlers, etc. Guys like that will always have trouble getting a sustained push because they are not trustworthy. You hear a lot about Shelton Benjamin lacking work ethic and Carlito lacking dedication and preparation. Until one of them steps up and shows consistently that they can deliver I doubt either one will ever make it out of the mid card.
As for the names mentioned above, Rick Martel had a great gimmick with his "Model" personna and he was great ring performer but he couldn't talk and the gimmick will only get you so far if you can't deliver the promos.
Brutus Beefcake was a minimally talented weight lifter who was poor in the ring and nothing special on the mic. He never had a great match or a memorable interview even though his "barber" gimmick was interesting. His ability to even get a job relates to his friendship with Hogan. He wasn't mis-used, he was lucky to be employed as long as he was.
Tazz's career was cut short due to injury so we will never know what might have happened for him. Same with Dean Malenko although he was nothing special on the mic so he might not have advanced much farther than he did.
Shane Douglas' potential was missed by both WWE and WCW. Vince gave him multiple persona's and opportunities and he never clicked. The upstart ECW had nothing to lose so he got a good chance and finally showed some ability. This happens all the time in sports and entertainment. The Patriots spent a first round draft pick on QB Jim Plunkett and he never produced, they left him on the bench behind Steve Grogan. When he joined the Raiders he became a Super Bowl MVP. During the first season of American Idol judge Simon Cowell remarked that Justin Guirinni had "star quality" and predicted a huge career for him but remarked that eventual winner Kelly Clarkson was "nothing special". We see how that turned out.
Vader had a bad reputation for not getting along with co-workers although he recieved a huge push when he was in WWE (just not a lengthy title run).. Sid Viscous/Justice was in the midst of a championship push when he was fired over drugs. In WCW he was fired for attacking another wrestler with scissors in a hotel brawl. He also had a reputation as a lousy in ring performer and lazy worker. He was lucky he got as far as he did.
Razor Ramoan was good but he was in WWE at the height of his career during the time that Shawn Michaels, Brett Hart, and Kevin Nash were in their prime. He couldn't deliver in the ring as good as Hart or Michaels and was not as good on the mic as Nash. He had a very good run in both WWE and WCW but based on his talent and the talent around him he went as far as he should. Lets not forget he chose to leave WWE in the middle of a really good run there and his drinking and drug problems derailed an even better run in WCW.
Dusty Rhodes was mis-used. He was at the end of his career but McMahon let his personal feelings for the guy that helped Jim Crockett fight him tooth and nail for a decade get in the way of smart promotion. Dustin Rhodes never had his father's interview skills or in ring ability - in charisma he was a near zero. Vince's creation of the Gold-Dust gimmick probably saved his career although a character like that is not world champion material. Still, Dustin had an opportunity to make a lot of money he otherwise would not have had if not for Vince. He simply was too average on his own to be champion.
Curt Henning had an exceptional run from 1988-1990, one of the best in the company for someone who didn't win the world title (Rick Rude comes to mind). He was near main event status virtually from the time he arrived from the AWA (where he had shared the tag team titles with Scott Hall aka Razor Ramoan). Would he have eventually become champion ? We will never know since back injuries derailed his career and left him a part time performer but that is not Vince's fault. If Brett Hart was the one who got injured in that SummerSlam match instead of Henning maybe Mr Perfect ends up beating Ric Flair for the WWE title two years later instead of being a manager and a TV commentator.
Tatanka was another one who was all gimmick - although he was better in the ring than Beefcake or Sid. Still, looking at his ability and mic skills it is hard to imagine him as world champion over Hart, Michaels, & Nash, the top draws at the time.
FlairFan2003
Mid-Card Championship Winner
I think that Vince had some talent that made good PPV's and paydays, but there are a couple of matches that could have drawn large amounts of money. When Ric Flair came to the WWF the first time, they should have immediately put him in the main event against Hulk Hogan for the WWF title. Ric Flair came in with the WCW belt and he claimed to be "The Real World's Heavyweight Champion." They could have played off of that along with the fact that Hogan was the top dog in the WWF and Flair was the top dog in the NWA/WCW for so long. Another match that could have taken place was in 1993. At Summerslam we could have seen Bret Hart vs Hulk Hogan for the WWF Title. I know this match was supposed to happen, but I feel that Vince McMahon didn't do enough to make this match happen. I know as a fan I would have paid to see that dream match.
That was a huge mistake. Vince should have saved the Flair/Hogan match for the Royal Rumble with the huge build up of Flair's arrival and lengthy winning streak plus his status as a champion rivaling Hulk. Add in the Bobby Heenan angle and have Flair be a constant thorn in Hogan's side from fall thru christmas and the match would have been out of sight. Vince should have had Flair go over mostly clean at the rumble and win the title causing Hogan to leave in disgrace having let his "Hulkamaniacs" down. Flair would have been portrayed as the man who finally ended Hulkamania and gone on a mega heel run as champ, sneak attacks, post match beat downs, blatant interference in his matches. This should have continued for a month, maybe six weeks, all the while no Hogan in sight as Flair mowes down the roster. Then Hogan could have made his dramatic return, thwarting a beat down on a beleagured fan favorite like Hart, Piper, or Savage. Hogan would have told the fans he left out of disappointment but he came back because hulkamaniacs don't quit and he is not a quitter. He could have challenged Flair to a re-match for the belt at wrestlemania, the one event where Hogan always shined brightest with the idea that if Flair could beat him again, especially at WM, his superiority would be unquestioned and Hogan would leave for good. Then at WM VIII Hogan could have beaten Flair outright in the biggest show of the year. The matches would have been huge and Hogan would look good without destroying Flair's character (usually guys like Savage got destroyed in the end with Hogan but here Flair would have his rumble victory even if Hogan triumphed in the end) Now THAT would have been a great use of talent
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pacmenace
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Ima go with MR. Kennedy.
They were about to give this guy two monster pushes, one with the MITB match and the other with the Vince's Son thing. Yet injury/steriods happened. Now the WWE seems to lack the interest in pushing him. The man is an aamazing talent and the main reason i watch Raw. If their as any justice Ken would win the MITB match at mania and then crush Cena for teh title later in the night.
They were about to give this guy two monster pushes, one with the MITB match and the other with the Vince's Son thing. Yet injury/steriods happened. Now the WWE seems to lack the interest in pushing him. The man is an aamazing talent and the main reason i watch Raw. If their as any justice Ken would win the MITB match at mania and then crush Cena for teh title later in the night.
Undercurrent
Occasional Pre-Show
I've heard a lot of great responses and I agree with the majority of them. I'll have to go with a list as there are too many to throw out there.
Victoria - She is perhaps one of the greatest female wrestlers of all time and for some bizarre reason they throw her over to Smackdown where the competition is stale. Currently she's putting over Kelly Kelly (who is still Green but improving) but what's next? It's painful to see the likes of Ashley on Raw while Victoria is stuck on Smackdown working away. I truly feel for her.
Christian - His merchandise sold very well, he was over with the fans whether he was a face or heel, could put on great matches and adjust to any style, was arguably one of the most talented that they've ever had on the stick...need I go on? Christian could've easily gotten to the same position where Edge is currently. The biggest example of Christian being misused was at a Smackdown taping in Canada where he had the Peep Show segment. He was a tweener at the time and came out to a massive pop. The Mexicools came down and beat him up. The WWE cut out the segment of Christian's reaction only to jump to Christian's show while he got beat down in a matter of minutes. I'm honestly very glad he moved on and though TNA is struggling creative Christian Cage will never let you down.
Jake Roberts - He's one of my all time favourite wrestlers and arguably one of the greatest workers ever but you may be thinking to yourself "Hey, wasn't Jake a main eventer who won a few straps? Well the answer is no. They never allowed Jake into the main event let alone give him a title belt which he outright earned. Jake was soooo over with the audience and was such a great worker that it's a shame to know he hardly got a damn thing. One could make the claim that it was his own fault for leaving within 8 years but within those 8 years there were few wrestlers more over than him.
Ultimo Dragon - Here's a wrestler who is respected all over the world and has held more titles than I can ever imagine based on his ability in the ring and the WWE completely and utterly wasted him. Aside from some matches on Smackdown and Velocity I hardly remember him from anything else aside from tripping on his cape. He feuded with the likes of Shannon Moore...*claps*...thanks for wasting such a great talent WWE.
Stevie Richards - Many moons ago Stevie was considered to be the next Shawn Michaels over in ECW. He suffered a vicious neck injury and has never been the same since but never deserved to job the way in which he has over in the E. He's been very solid on the stick, a solid in ring competitor and a name in which many know but for whatever reason became the resident jobber. Stevie is back in ECW and looked fantastic this past Tuesday. He came off his 9th surgery to his neck/throat and is still just as hungry as he was 12 years ago. I'm hoping he gets the push he deserves as this man is very underrated.
Shelton Benjamin - Enough said. He's been busting his ass for years and has always been over with the crowd and phased by his peers for his athleticism yet he's never had direction. He'll always be a diamond in the rough though let's see if time is on his side.
Other notables include:
Tazz
Raven
Owen Hart
Carlito
Kane (destroyed his crediblity after letting him speak and removing his mask)
Gail Kim
and many others
Victoria - She is perhaps one of the greatest female wrestlers of all time and for some bizarre reason they throw her over to Smackdown where the competition is stale. Currently she's putting over Kelly Kelly (who is still Green but improving) but what's next? It's painful to see the likes of Ashley on Raw while Victoria is stuck on Smackdown working away. I truly feel for her.
Christian - His merchandise sold very well, he was over with the fans whether he was a face or heel, could put on great matches and adjust to any style, was arguably one of the most talented that they've ever had on the stick...need I go on? Christian could've easily gotten to the same position where Edge is currently. The biggest example of Christian being misused was at a Smackdown taping in Canada where he had the Peep Show segment. He was a tweener at the time and came out to a massive pop. The Mexicools came down and beat him up. The WWE cut out the segment of Christian's reaction only to jump to Christian's show while he got beat down in a matter of minutes. I'm honestly very glad he moved on and though TNA is struggling creative Christian Cage will never let you down.
Jake Roberts - He's one of my all time favourite wrestlers and arguably one of the greatest workers ever but you may be thinking to yourself "Hey, wasn't Jake a main eventer who won a few straps? Well the answer is no. They never allowed Jake into the main event let alone give him a title belt which he outright earned. Jake was soooo over with the audience and was such a great worker that it's a shame to know he hardly got a damn thing. One could make the claim that it was his own fault for leaving within 8 years but within those 8 years there were few wrestlers more over than him.
Ultimo Dragon - Here's a wrestler who is respected all over the world and has held more titles than I can ever imagine based on his ability in the ring and the WWE completely and utterly wasted him. Aside from some matches on Smackdown and Velocity I hardly remember him from anything else aside from tripping on his cape. He feuded with the likes of Shannon Moore...*claps*...thanks for wasting such a great talent WWE.
Stevie Richards - Many moons ago Stevie was considered to be the next Shawn Michaels over in ECW. He suffered a vicious neck injury and has never been the same since but never deserved to job the way in which he has over in the E. He's been very solid on the stick, a solid in ring competitor and a name in which many know but for whatever reason became the resident jobber. Stevie is back in ECW and looked fantastic this past Tuesday. He came off his 9th surgery to his neck/throat and is still just as hungry as he was 12 years ago. I'm hoping he gets the push he deserves as this man is very underrated.
Shelton Benjamin - Enough said. He's been busting his ass for years and has always been over with the crowd and phased by his peers for his athleticism yet he's never had direction. He'll always be a diamond in the rough though let's see if time is on his side.
Other notables include:
Tazz
Raven
Owen Hart
Carlito
Kane (destroyed his crediblity after letting him speak and removing his mask)
Gail Kim
and many others
greenbeast95
Occasional Pre-Show
A few comments. It seems like everyone thinks that someone is misused if they never were a heavyweight champion. If everyone got to be the man, being champion would mean jack squat. Granted some may have been deserving, but others are not. And just because they never won a major title does not make them "misused". How do you define misused? In terms of fan enjoyment, or money earned for the company?
Also, unless you are a certified veteran from another promotion like Ric Flair or Dusty Rhodes, you cannot consider any wrestler who's been in WWE for less than 3-5 years to be misused. There is such a thing as character development. Do you folks that think Carlito, CM Punk, or Kennedy are misused, should they be the heavyweight champion over Cena, Edge, or Taker??? You're dreamin! They are already too many titles in WWE to begin with, should they make more. A title means that you are a top representative of the company, not everyone can be the best.
RVD was also not misused, he blew it himself. He had immediate impact winning tag titles and IC titles. He actually won the WWE title from CENA!! Who knows how long he would have kept it, but he screwed himself by getting arrested. The heavyweight champion cannot be a convict!
Shelton Benjamin is a great wrestler, but he is a horrible talker! I understand that this is unfair, but in today's wrestling world, everyone knows you have to do both to be the best. Once he quits stuttering and can cut a promo, and they still keep him undercard, then he will be misused.
Also, unless you are a certified veteran from another promotion like Ric Flair or Dusty Rhodes, you cannot consider any wrestler who's been in WWE for less than 3-5 years to be misused. There is such a thing as character development. Do you folks that think Carlito, CM Punk, or Kennedy are misused, should they be the heavyweight champion over Cena, Edge, or Taker??? You're dreamin! They are already too many titles in WWE to begin with, should they make more. A title means that you are a top representative of the company, not everyone can be the best.
RVD was also not misused, he blew it himself. He had immediate impact winning tag titles and IC titles. He actually won the WWE title from CENA!! Who knows how long he would have kept it, but he screwed himself by getting arrested. The heavyweight champion cannot be a convict!
Shelton Benjamin is a great wrestler, but he is a horrible talker! I understand that this is unfair, but in today's wrestling world, everyone knows you have to do both to be the best. Once he quits stuttering and can cut a promo, and they still keep him undercard, then he will be misused.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
While there are so many that this "honor" could go to, i have to say Raven. He was a god in ecw and was then treated as a joke in wwe. He accomplished nothing other than 20-something reigns as hardcore champion. He could've done anything vince imagined for him, as he proved by going from scotty flamingo to johnny polo to raven. He could've had some great feuds in wwe as a high mid card/main eventer. Imagine a Raven vs taker mini-feud. He seems like hed've fit in fairly well with the ministry, then again maybe not.
I already answered earlier in this thread, but I think I have to add a new one to the list, mainly because he hasn't been mentioned yet. I would have to add supercrazy. He can do some really amazing things in the ring. True, he may not have the mic skills or charisma, but he is a great technical wrestler and highflier. But first they stuck him with the "mexicools". Then they moved him over to Raw, and now has gotten lost in the shuffle. He only shows up once in a while anymore, and it's mainly to lose.
I think one of the biggest missuses ever by Vince was Raven. Raven was the biggest guy from ECW and he had a very solid run in WCW. When he came back to ECW he was so over and he could have pulled so many alternative/grunge/gen x fans into WWE but they so missused him.
I think Vince even publicly said that he didn't understand Raven's character
I think Vince even publicly said that he didn't understand Raven's character
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crazy mofo
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There's also a rumor that Vince didn't like Raven dating back to his first run in WWE as Johnny Polo. The story goes that Raven was friends with Shane, but Vince thought he was a bad influence or something like that. I don't know if it's true, but I figured I'd mention it anyway.
i disagree with scotty, i think jeff hardy is more of an intercontinental champ guy i dont see him with the wwe title for some reason, hes a helluva entertainer im a fan of him my self i just dont see him carrying the buisness or the strap...kane on the other hand i do agree with he should be a 3-4 time champion by now, hes been around forever always loyal, the brothers of distruction angle was the biggest fame he got and it shoulda been more, he seems like a guy who should be on RAW and he'd be a nice addition the the title picture over there
SpecialReferee
Dark Match Winner
Tazz in 2000. Might have been because of his size, but come on, the guy played the vicious "I'm going to kill you" type of character very well, and he was coming right off his ECW run, and everyone was hot for his debut at Rumble, only to never get past borderline mid-card.
Also, Mr. Perfect 1993, he was ridiculously over in 1993 only to get jobbed out in almost every key match, other than the Flair match on the 1-25-1993 RAW, after that, he won squashes cleanly and other matches by count-out or DQ.. Perfect could have been a bigger star in 1993. IMO
Also, Mr. Perfect 1993, he was ridiculously over in 1993 only to get jobbed out in almost every key match, other than the Flair match on the 1-25-1993 RAW, after that, he won squashes cleanly and other matches by count-out or DQ.. Perfect could have been a bigger star in 1993. IMO
thebeastkodiak
Dark Match Jobber
if you are gonna say RVD you gotta say Steve Blackman....cause they are the exact same guy. They kick stuff....thats about it. Yeah, RVD was over but only cause he did the stoner gimmick in the old ECW. He jumped acrossed the ring and kicked a chair one time, that made me say 'woah'. Short of that, his matches usually bored the crap out of me. So here's mine
JERRY LYNN. Jerry Lynn is one of the best wrestlers on the planet. He came into wwe, won the cruiserweight title his first match, and I dont remember seeing him after that. He was one of the few people in ECW that a RVD match entertaining to me. He didnt use chairs or tables as much, but when he did, you knew something cool was about to happen.
JERRY LYNN. Jerry Lynn is one of the best wrestlers on the planet. He came into wwe, won the cruiserweight title his first match, and I dont remember seeing him after that. He was one of the few people in ECW that a RVD match entertaining to me. He didnt use chairs or tables as much, but when he did, you knew something cool was about to happen.
SpecialReferee
Dark Match Winner
if you are gonna say RVD you gotta say Steve Blackman....cause they are the exact same guy. They kick stuff....thats about it. Yeah, RVD was over but only cause he did the stoner gimmick in the old ECW. He jumped acrossed the ring and kicked a chair one time, that made me say 'woah'. Short of that, his matches usually bored the crap out of me. So here's mine
JERRY LYNN. Jerry Lynn is one of the best wrestlers on the planet. He came into wwe, won the cruiserweight title his first match, and I dont remember seeing him after that. He was one of the few people in ECW that a RVD match entertaining to me. He didnt use chairs or tables as much, but when he did, you knew something cool was about to happen.
Completely agree with Jerry Lynn, though he did win the ECW Title.. but was only for a short while.. WWF/E mis-used him greatly, IMO.
RVD is fairly entertaining.. but if your not into his "kicks" then maybe not.. but he does more than that.. i mean.. he points his thumbs to his shoulders and says his name.. just to remind us..
I thinks its ridiculous to say guys like Sabu and Balls are misused. I have as much respect for his matches as anyone. But lets be honest the Sabu that was in the new ECW was no where near the worker that old ECW Sabu was and Balls has never impressed me. A chair and the fans chanting his name when he punches. He just stole Hack Myers gimmick. I believe the guys that were misused were ECW guys that came over when they could still work like Taz and Raven and never got half of the push they deserved. I will never forget Taz coming in like a fireball and choking out Kurt Angle just to be relegated to midcard duty a year later. What's the point? The only person who could fight through Vince's misuse of ECW talent was RVD because he is just the Whole F'N show period.
The point of Mr. Perfect is a great one also. Ever since he was Macho's partner at the Series he was one of the most over wrestlers ever, and he was still backing it up in the ring ten years later. Vince never used Curt properly, he was even over when he screwed over the face Lex Luger, the people just loved Mr. Perfect and there was good reason too. I can see where his place was in the straight Hogan days and he fit well in the IC title picture, but when he was around Wrestlemania IX time he should have been pushed straight to the top. Whoever compared RVD and Blackman should also be mugged.
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Hey Folks I am new to the WZ forums but I got few people i'd like to mention:
Vader: Here was a guy who in WCW, was a freakin' MONSTER Heel! Straight up the most dominant man in WCW for a few years. That is until Hogan came in and destroyed everything that Vader was by 'No-Sell' Vader's patented Power bomb!! Shortly after, he goes to the WWF/E. His first night there, he destroys Gorilla Monsoon and then challenges HBK for the title.....a lot of hope for Vader to regain all of that momentum he lost in WCW...then suddenly....*POOF* it is gone. Destined to feud with or not feud with worthless characters for the rest of his tenure.
Matt HArdy: NOw, I have always been a closet Hardy Boyz fan but I never really was a Matt fan until they turned that bastard heel and brought the "Sensei of Mattitude" character out of him, that was probably his best, overall push to date. Now, the one angle the WWE drop the ball on was the Matt/Edge/Lita triangle angle. It was a great mix of Story/Reality that shortly after it started....it fizzled. I mean, totally lost steam after the 2nd match. That had the makings of a fantastically long feud but again, The WWE figured that, US, the fans, were to short minded to care. That was the feud that could have elevated Matt to Main event stardom! I mean, look what it did for Edge, our current smackdown champion. Don't get me wrong, the feud he has with MVP, while entertaining....gets a bit repetitive, hopefully the two can rekindle the magic when Matt returns (Hopefully this week.......)
and finally........
Techno Team 2000
Anyone else remember them?
Erik Watts & Chad Fortune.....
"travis" & "troy"
'nuff said.
Vader: Here was a guy who in WCW, was a freakin' MONSTER Heel! Straight up the most dominant man in WCW for a few years. That is until Hogan came in and destroyed everything that Vader was by 'No-Sell' Vader's patented Power bomb!! Shortly after, he goes to the WWF/E. His first night there, he destroys Gorilla Monsoon and then challenges HBK for the title.....a lot of hope for Vader to regain all of that momentum he lost in WCW...then suddenly....*POOF* it is gone. Destined to feud with or not feud with worthless characters for the rest of his tenure.
Matt HArdy: NOw, I have always been a closet Hardy Boyz fan but I never really was a Matt fan until they turned that bastard heel and brought the "Sensei of Mattitude" character out of him, that was probably his best, overall push to date. Now, the one angle the WWE drop the ball on was the Matt/Edge/Lita triangle angle. It was a great mix of Story/Reality that shortly after it started....it fizzled. I mean, totally lost steam after the 2nd match. That had the makings of a fantastically long feud but again, The WWE figured that, US, the fans, were to short minded to care. That was the feud that could have elevated Matt to Main event stardom! I mean, look what it did for Edge, our current smackdown champion. Don't get me wrong, the feud he has with MVP, while entertaining....gets a bit repetitive, hopefully the two can rekindle the magic when Matt returns (Hopefully this week.......)
and finally........
Techno Team 2000
Anyone else remember them?
Erik Watts & Chad Fortune.....
"travis" & "troy"
'nuff said.
JJYanks121
The Mouth of the South Shore
I think everyone has misinterpreted the question for this thread. It is about misusing WWE superstars. Just because guys don't get a push does not mean they are getting misused. Likewise, there are only a few belts, and way too many these days if you ask me, and even still, not everyone can hold them.
The #1 misused wrestler today is John Cena. That's right, I said it. He's been a babyface way too long. In my eyes, that's a misuse as he could and should go heel and thus give pushes to new faces. When a character is not getting the crowd reaction desired, his character should be changed. This is something the WWE does not get and constantly makes mistakes on.
I think the whole WWE title picture is not being done well at all. Think back to the glory days of a great title buildup. Let's use WM 15 as an example. Rock and Austin feuding up to the big day with Rock looking dominant with the corporation's help but Austin heating up. Today we have barely a rivalry with all 3 guys and a lame buildup.
I don't know where everyone is getting the theory that great wrestlers deserve pushes for titles. While I agree their matches are fun to watch, look at title histories. Hulk Hogan is a terrible wrestler but terribly entertaining and carried the company. Kevin Nash wasn't great but held the title for a year. It's about selling a gimmick and some guys simply dont' have the gimmick to be champion. I would love to see people actually care about the title and be proud to win it. All champions now feel like the title should be theirs because of entitlement. Even when Austin was at the top of the company, every time he won he held the title high and was proud, not just that he felt like "duh of course i should hold this, i'm great".
But worst misuse of all time, and it's not even close. The undertaker as the biker character. This is the deadman, the greatest character ever in my opinion, the guy who reminds you that wrestling has stories and isn't reality tv, and all of a sudden he's a normal guy on a bike. It killed his character and luckily he died and came back as the deadman. That era was killed by that character as I think the company always needs guys like that.
Case and point, the WWE needs to get back to storylines, feuds, alliances, stables, and away from reality type tv and everyone having similar characters and using real names. It got old quickly and there's no difference in characters these days. Hopefully future posters to this thread will realize that misuse doesn't just mean not pushed and new ideas can be read by all.
The #1 misused wrestler today is John Cena. That's right, I said it. He's been a babyface way too long. In my eyes, that's a misuse as he could and should go heel and thus give pushes to new faces. When a character is not getting the crowd reaction desired, his character should be changed. This is something the WWE does not get and constantly makes mistakes on.
I think the whole WWE title picture is not being done well at all. Think back to the glory days of a great title buildup. Let's use WM 15 as an example. Rock and Austin feuding up to the big day with Rock looking dominant with the corporation's help but Austin heating up. Today we have barely a rivalry with all 3 guys and a lame buildup.
I don't know where everyone is getting the theory that great wrestlers deserve pushes for titles. While I agree their matches are fun to watch, look at title histories. Hulk Hogan is a terrible wrestler but terribly entertaining and carried the company. Kevin Nash wasn't great but held the title for a year. It's about selling a gimmick and some guys simply dont' have the gimmick to be champion. I would love to see people actually care about the title and be proud to win it. All champions now feel like the title should be theirs because of entitlement. Even when Austin was at the top of the company, every time he won he held the title high and was proud, not just that he felt like "duh of course i should hold this, i'm great".
But worst misuse of all time, and it's not even close. The undertaker as the biker character. This is the deadman, the greatest character ever in my opinion, the guy who reminds you that wrestling has stories and isn't reality tv, and all of a sudden he's a normal guy on a bike. It killed his character and luckily he died and came back as the deadman. That era was killed by that character as I think the company always needs guys like that.
Case and point, the WWE needs to get back to storylines, feuds, alliances, stables, and away from reality type tv and everyone having similar characters and using real names. It got old quickly and there's no difference in characters these days. Hopefully future posters to this thread will realize that misuse doesn't just mean not pushed and new ideas can be read by all.
Val Venis in my opinion hasn't been used the same since the attitude era - sure he has won the tag titles since then. But in 1999-2000 Venis was a high midcarder with tons of potentail. Now he isn't even turning up on Heat. And when he appears on RAW he's squashed by Umaga (Umanga). He is stuck as a good guy when 8 years ago he was one of the biggest heels in the company (a bit of an exaggeration) Val was best as the bad guy with charisma oozing out of his brain. He can still go with the best of them.
Let Val Wrestle!!
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coach_bob1
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I would have to go with Mike Rotunda on this one. He was a very sound technical wrestler, great in the heel role, decent mic skills, and what does he end up doing? Playing second fiddle to the Million Dollar Man, using a horrible gimmick of a tax collector, and never getting a push as a singles wrestler. He probably had the skills to be a decent IC champ, but he never got the chance.
Kane would be another choice. The y spend years building him up to be a scary, indestructable freak-of-a-human being, only to give him one World Championship run. At least this role was better than when he was Isaac Yankem, DDS but at least let him have the strap for a while and fued with someone.
Kane would be another choice. The y spend years building him up to be a scary, indestructable freak-of-a-human being, only to give him one World Championship run. At least this role was better than when he was Isaac Yankem, DDS but at least let him have the strap for a while and fued with someone.
I can think of some guys that were misused. I think Bam Bam Bigelow was misused in both of his runs in the WWF/E, and then in WCW. I think Sabu was misused, but not in the WWE, but in WCW in 1995.
I keep seeing Kane on here, and I can't disagree more. Championship runs don't dictate the success of a wrestler. Guys like Jake Roberts and Ted Dibiase never held singles titles, but their characters were very well used. The fact that Kane has been around for 10 years proves he's been used well.
I keep seeing Kane on here, and I can't disagree more. Championship runs don't dictate the success of a wrestler. Guys like Jake Roberts and Ted Dibiase never held singles titles, but their characters were very well used. The fact that Kane has been around for 10 years proves he's been used well.
Father:_Polley
Fun's my Chinese neighbour's name
at the risk of coming off as a kiss-ass to IC25...Vader. the guy was good. not as successful as he could have been but damn sure good enough to deserve a title run. vince seemed reluctant to use him
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