Beating that dead horse! Cena turn....

[Hakushi]

Does WWE take advantage of Lesnars disappearance from WWE TV and the Triple threat match to "Test" the waters?
A vision I can see as a (albeit slight) possibilty would be something along the lines of:
Cena pins Lesnar for the WWE WHC at RR. Rollins attempts the cash in, but as he goes for the pin, Paul Heyman interferes on Cenas behalf (Cena and Heyman low and behold, have some unholy alliance simply to thwart The Authority. Cena isn't a "Heel", Heyman isn't a "Face" but they allign).
This could solve several issues in the short term.

1. Interesting way to keep Heyman on TV with a reputable "Client" after Brock is gone.

2. Test run the Cena "Heel" reaction to a degree.

3. Doesn't rush Rollins into a WHC, but it's not the same old SuperCena win.

4. Puts almost Every opponent back on the table for Mania.

I do believe this is unlikely, but with the recent Push of Ziggler and Reigns and the return of DB, the Face roster is "deeper" than it has been in quite some time, making this as good of a time as any to try this out. Cena wouldn't necassarily have to resort to heel tactics, but the goal would be to "abolish" The Authority.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

I don't see Cena and Heyman taking on The Authority, that would undeniably make them faces but if HHH and Stephanie were to take a significant leave I could see Cena and Heyman replacing The Authority as the biggest heels on the roster. I spent sometimes as much as 45 to 50 seconds at a time fantasizing about this idea after SummerSlam. But alas I had to go cold turkey on the idea when it became clear that WWE was just yanking my crank.

Now you pass me a crack pipe with your thread. I just have to keep telling myself that a Cena heel turn is nothing but make believe like blow jobs after marriage or platypuses.

 

[bioshock]

Never going to happen in this WWE. Logic sounds perfect, and far better than anything WWE would come up with, but it wont happen.

 

[Navi]

John Cena will never turn heel, and I don't understand why people don't get it. He's been around for 10 years, and if it hasn't happened by now, it's not going to happen.

I've said this on another thread. John Cena's fanbase is kids and their moms. Go to a live show and look around when Cena is there. You'll see thousands of mini John Cena's running around. Parents spend millions of dollars a year on Cena merchandise just to shut their young ones up.

There is no way in hell that McMahon is going to give up that gravy train. And Cena too in a way as he gets a cut of the profits. The guy is raking it in. Once the kids get old enough to move onto other wrestlers, another kid will take their place. He has an never ending supply of fans just waiting out there.

Another thing that people rarely mention is that if Cena does turn heel, whether with Heyman or not, he'll automatically have 50 percent of the audience against him. You know the 50% that yells "Let's go Cena", they'll hate him, but the 50% that yell's "Cena suck's" will love him.

So no matter which way you cut it, he'll always have at least half the crowd on his side. There is no reason to turn him heel really then is there. He would get the same reaction, and lose all that money in t-shirt sales.

John Cena really is the perfect tweener.

 

[stingray11214]

Before one asks the question "Should Cena turn heel?", one must also ask, "What will the shareholders think if Cena turns heel?" If you think they do not know of John's impact on the bottom line, you are sadly mistaken. They are given a breakdown of how much gets pulled in each quarter. WWE has to do this by law as they are a publicly traded company. If Vince even silently thought about turning Cena heel, he will get a phone call from one of those hedge funds screaming, "Are you on $^&*#^$ drugs?!?" Turn Cena?!? WTF is the matter with you?!?" ANd, if he even pulled it off, the stock price will collapse because WWE will take a projected hit on their merch sales. Think VKM lost money this past year? Last year will look like VKM broke the bank. It is not happening. It will never happen.

 

[BuriedByCena]

John Cena is already a Heel. He is the best heel since HHH in 2004. He does everything to make me hate him.

Now he owns it when he says stuff like the locker room has to "go through him first if they want to succeed". He also says: "Go face to face with the man who runs the place". Those are the most heelish comments you can say. He is a jerk and I hate him for it.

They need to turn John Cena face, bring back the funny raps which made us love him as it showed personality and then have him actually wrestle. Who cares if the kids won't buy Cena shirts? The adults(THE PEOPLE WITH THE ACTUAL MONEY) will buy Cena's merch.

I bought a Cena shirt in 2003 because he was super cool/hilarious. Loved him. Then he turned all kiddy and I have not bought a Cena shirt since then. The only guy who had a cool shirt since was CM Punk which I bought several and plan on buying more.

As long as they make the merch cool/not kiddy, people like me will buy it. I only buy the cool stuff like stone cold, The Rock etc.

 

[Navi]

They need to turn John Cena face, bring back the funny raps which made us love him as it showed personality and then have him actually wrestle. Who cares if the kids won't buy Cena shirts? The adults(THE PEOPLE WITH THE ACTUAL MONEY) will buy Cena's merch.

Who do you think is buying the kids their t-shirts, hats, sweatbands, towels and pretty anything else you can think of? That's right, it's the adults, you know the PEOPLE WITH THE ACTUAL MONEY.

Parents will spend a fortune on this stuff for their kids, before they will buy it for themselves. Very few adults I know want to clone themselves after John Cena. Yea they might buy a t-shirt, but the kids want everything they see. The WWE knows this and they give them what they want.

I have literally seen people spending $100's of dollars at one show on their kids. The woman I sat beside at the last show I was at had already spent over $300.00 on each of her three kids, and she wasn't finished yet. I bought a shirt for myself and my son got one, he's 23 and didn't want to be head to foot WWE.

So I spent a grand total of $60.00 on two shirts, which was in my mind ridiculous. The woman beside me was up over $1,000.00 by the time she left. Who do you think the WWE is going to market John Cena too, not me. They know who they're target market is, and they go for it, and that target market spends like a son of a bitch.

Until that market stops buying the shirts and everything else they put out there, Cena will stay as he is.

 

[Mustang Sally]

Interesting way to keep Heyman on TV with a reputable "Client" after Brock is gone.

Not only keep him on TV, but make him an "impossible to figure" entity whom fans could spend time trying to guess what his true agenda might be. If anyone could bring it off, Heyman's the guy.

Honestly, I enjoyed his part on Smackdown last night; the manner in which he stood up to Seth Rollins. Yes, he was backed up against the corner ropes, but "heel" Heyman dealt with "heel" Rollins and managed to come out of the encounter undamaged physically and giving us pause to wonder what he might be doing after Brock departs.....and also before he departs.

Paul Heyman as a good guy? Don't know if it's even possible, but his speaking ability and sense of timing make any-damn-thing possible.

I don't know whether John Cena will ever turn heel, although I've long believed it would be a good thing, especially with so many folks saying he's been "given" too much already. (That's a whole different argument in itself, obviously)

But, if a heel change were to occur, having Paul Heyman involved in it could be a real kicker, because while I always presumed Cena as a heel would ally himself with the ever-evil Heyman, this topic has me wondering if he might wind up opposing Heyman.....with their traditional roles reversed .....even as we realize that Heyman could never be a true face; how could he be?

Possibilities abound.

 

[ECW Sandman]

All of us want Cena to turn heel but here's the problem as long as Vince is in charge we will never see a John Cena heel turn, John Cena is stale and his matches are predictable, but in all honesty the product is geared towards kids .

 

[shooter_mcgavin]

John Cena will never turn heel, and I don't understand why people don't get it. He's been around for 10 years, and if it hasn't happened by now, it's not going to happen.

I've said this on another thread. John Cena's fanbase is kids and their moms. Go to a live show and look around when Cena is there. You'll see thousands of mini John Cena's running around. Parents spend millions of dollars a year on Cena merchandise just to shut their young ones up.

Yeah around 2005 his face push was turning into a disaster but WWE then changed their direction around that time to a more kid friendly product so Cena was able to thrive and allowed to prolong his face run. Otherwise if WWE was still in the Attitude Era the fans would have eaten Cena alive years ago.

 

[rmp0012002]

Since Brock is gone after Mania Heyman needs a new guy and for Cena to be that guy is perfect. Problem is that Cena is the main face of the company while being the promotion's top good guy. The issue lies at how can the WWE retain his sales and the company's share value by turning him heel. The WWE is heavily marketed to kids and what Cena does with Make A Wish so how do you make him the evil one without crushing the kids. When wrestling was an "adult" sport someone doing a turn didn't have that effect.

When shares drop and USA is not happy because sponsors are not happy Vince is the one that is going to get an earful from a lot of people.

 

[maximf83]

Cena wont turn heel, they learned their lesson from Austin 14 years ago, so much money will be lost that it will just not be worth it. At the end of the day, just like Triple H says, it's all about business, whether we like it or not

maybe in the end of his career, but certainly not now

 

[Headman]

Cena wont turn heel, they learned their lesson from Austin 14 years ago, so much money will be lost that it will just not be worth it. At the end of the day, just like Triple H says, it's all about business, whether we like it or not

maybe in the end of his career, but certainly not now

This. Not to mention, why do people want Cena to turn heel anyway? Other than the fact that they don't like him, but seriously would he be a good heel? Other than the shocking moment of the actual heel turn, what would be the point? If they think it would stop Cena from beating everybody they'd be sorely mistaken. As a heel the WWE would look to pile on as much heat as possible so Cena would plow through all the internet favorites, only this time it would be to intentionally piss you guys off. He'd have the same or more amount of screen time and would probably still be the same character only now he would openly insult the WWE Universe? WOW that's a change worthy of losing your poster boy for. I just don't get it. Some people are expecting Hollywood Hogan, but I don't think that's what we'd see at all.

 

[QBall111]

Never gonna happen, never gonna happen, never gonna happen...

But.....

I agree, Cena needs to be a heel but he does not need Heyman to get him there. Cena already is a mouthpiece for himself. I'm glad this post was on here because I was actually thinking of what I wanted to see all the way up to Wrestlemania and this would be something I'd like to see but something I probably won't see (Course I said I wanted to see Sting {as I have been a Sting fan since WCW--hated his TNA run though} at a show I attend one time, said it probably would never happen and I attended Raw this past Monday so this 31 year old screamed like a little girl would at a 1D concert). I think Cena should be set up to be a heel but how to book it would be different. It needs to begin at RR. This would be how I'd book it though:

1) Lesnar needs to win one of the cleanest matches he's been in. Not saying Brock cheats cause he don't but don't allow Heyman to have much say during the match, no referee distractions, no high pitched talking. It just needs to be a good clean fight. Lesnar needs to pin Cena while Rollins is out of the ring.

2) Heyman needs to turn on Lesnar to help Rollins cash in. Somehow the MITB briefcase needs to be in the ring by the end of the match when Lesnar's hand is raised. Rollin's needs to try to use it as a weapon in the the triple threat match with no luck. Allow Heyman to pick it up and strike Lesnar from behind, curb stomp from Rollins to Lesnar. Cashes in. Became a transitional champion until February's PPV. This demotes WWE's biggest superheel and replaces him with Seth Rollins as a new Paul Heyman guy. We don't see Lesnar fight until WM

3) Rollin's should leave the authority being a Heyman guy but still play the role as a heel. It leaves the Authority from having a top star (sure they have Big Show and Kane but really...). Allow the Authority to start crumbling from RR to WM.

4) Reigns or DB either need to win the RR. No one else. It must be a huge fan favorite.

5) Keep Cena out of the title picture and minimal going after the Authority (after all, it won't matter too much to go after the Authority if Rollins can become that Heyman guy). Also this would end a Rollins/Cena feud.

6) Randy Orton needs to come back after Rollins but don't make it RR. This is why I do not want Rollins to be part of the Authority after RR and become a Heyman guy; and why I want Cena to back off from Authority after Sunday. It makes it too busy having Sting, Cena and Orton all going after Authority at once. A face Orton should be the guy to go after Rollins at Fast Lane. Let Orton win the title and be the one facing the RR winner.

7) Allow tweener Brock Lesnar return for his rematch clause against champion Orton and RR winner Reigns/Bryan at WM. Rollins as well invoke his rematch clause. Make it a Fatal 4-Way at WM.

8) At Wrestlemania, turn Cena heel and unfortunately the only way to do it right is during the Sting vs. HHH match. I want Sting to win. I think his first match in WWE should be won and against Triple H it can be done. It would've never happened with Taker. However, if Cena were to turn this is the way to do it and another reason he backed away from the Authority after RR. He was beaten again by Lesnar and if we put Orton up against Rollins, he'd have nothing to go after anymore. Make it look like Cena was coming to help Sting only to turn on Sting. It could easily help lead Sting to another match down the road against the Authority where Sting could get his win (Summerslam?).

9) After Wrestlemania, make Cena silent. This is whats going to get the fanbase to hate him the most. (Most, honestly I still think a heel Cena will be loved by the adult fans more). Cena needs to the top guy of the Authority but does not need to be out during promos with HHH/Steph, but they do need to be his mouthpiece for awhile until Cena finally speaks.

Like I said, it probably wont happen. Needs to happen but even my booking of it there are a lot of factors to turn him I hate.