Batista's Heel Turn And What His Message To Fans' "Heroes" *MIGHT* Mean

[Jack-Hammer]

On the opening segment of SmackDown! tonight, Batista essentially turned heel and stated that he would destroy all of the fans "heroes" on his way to WrestleMania. I've little doubt he'll come out on top of his match with Dolph Ziggler that's on the show, but I think what this means in the long run is that Batista MAY have revealed how Daniel Bryan gets into the title match.

While Bryan wasn't mentioned by name in his promo, it's obvious that's who he was talking about. If WWE ultimately has Batista having matches as a means of proving a point that he's "better" than the fans' "heroes", there's a strong probability that he'll wind up facing Bryan sooner or later. If so, Bryan could be added to the title match if he beats Batista. Personally, if this is the route they're going, I don't believe they should make Bryan's inclusion in the match should he beat Batista an actual stipulation. From a storyline perspective, there's a big logic hole as to why Batista would agree to it since it decreases his chances of winning the title at WrestleMania. I know they did something similar with Cena vs. Punk last February and it wound up being one of the best matches of the year. Ultimately, however, if WWE goes this route and Bryan is added to the match, people will ultimately get what they want and they'll overlook the logic gap.

As they were showing the aftermath of Batista's match with Del Rio this past Monday, it reminded me of another reason to add Bryan to the match. Batista is in some pretty shit ass rotten cardiovascular shape and was seriously gassed by the time his match with Del Rio was over. When Orton was standing in the ring, Batista was on one knee leaning up against the ropes gasping for breath. Adding Bryan will make things much easier for Batista as his presence will give Batista time to rest.

This idea of Batista taking out the "heroes" of the fans and ultimately meeting Bryan is probably the best way to keep Batista interesting. IF this is where WWE is going, then the idea of him ultimately getting into it with Bryan intrigues me.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

In the grand scheme of things, it's loaded with problems, but Batista's heel turn is a necessary move. The fans aren't buying into him as a face, or this big time returning mega star, who deserves the red carpet treatment, and the fans will tear Batista apart this Monday on Raw.

The match with Triple H isn't 100% official yet, so there's still a shred of hope to cling to for Bryan squeezing into the WWE WHC match at Wrestlemania. With Batista vowing to destroy all the heroes in WWE, you have to believe in the possibility of a match with Bryan, because he's at the top of the list for heroes in WWE with John Cena.

Although, there's a good chance Batista's vow is just a way of WWE pushing the heel turn without a Bryan match. Instead, we'll see Batista destroy (I'm using that word loosely with Batista's poor ring shape) Kofi, Darren Young, Cody Rhodes, and others on the road to Mania, and Bryan will continue his quest in a match with Triple H.

A triple threat with Bryan saves the Mania match, but Orton is the elephant in the room. IF Bryan joins the WWE WHC match, Bryan's journey to grab the brass ring and the story for Batista's heel turn will take center stage for the build into Wrestlemania, so where does that leave Orton? He can't turn face now, and Batista is a heel, so you're running the risk of the champion being an afterthought in a world title match.

 

[wrestler36]

This turn is obviously the right move. Batista is at his best as a heel. Some of his best moments were the few months before he left. Tonight, he was the most comfortable speaking than he's been since he returned. This also shows that fans don't 'hijack' shows, but show their pleasure/displeasure to the shown product. People were happy to see Batista back, but didn't want him to win the rumble nor be in the championship match, so fans voiced their displeasure. Distraction or not, fans want to see CM Punk. And it's obvious, fans want to see Daniel Bryan as champion.

Regardless, it's great to see Batista as a heel. That's what he should have been when he returned. It's what people want to see. Now, he's gonna be a beast.

 

[lbastone6]

If Raw ends with Punk giving a GTS to batista I will mark out and the fans in Chicago will lose their minds. One could only dream...

 

[GameOver]

It's not that "we are buying into him being a face or not" it's that he sucks in this return, he looks really out of ring shape and he's not the same Cool kick ass guy he was years ago and he's here taking a spot from the regular so it would not matter who it was unless it was someone who's returning to put other talent over not to get the spotlight and try to bump the ratings for a month or 2 then dissapear again.

Not to mention he's already repeated almost word for word what the Rock said, i live and love this business and i'm back and not going anywhere, the only saving grace is he has atleast already wrestled more matches so he's atleast not on cable somewhere doing a pre-taped segment.

If it was Jericho that had returned and won and was going onto the main event heel or not everyone would be a completely different mindset.

Now about what he said, IMO he's completely correct tho it was WWE that created that scenario and kept backtracking soon as the fanbase latched onto someone but if thats what the people want to cheer for thats what they should get, there's nothing wrong with a mix of different sizes/styles the problem is making it believable like Rey Mysterio being dominant and surviving against people 3 times his size is complete bullshit and un-believable, it was fun briefly but totally a croc of shit and above all act like a man not a kids show character that play wrestles on the trampoline out the back.

 

[ASKane]

As much as Bryan should be in the title match WWE made it clear on Raw that his direction for Mania is HHH and only HHH. His about 8 month long feud with HHH will culminate in a match at Mania with Bryan hopefully going over clean and allowing him to win the title at Extreme Rules and hopefully hold it for atleast 6 months to truly test if he can be the number 1 guy.

As for Batista I think he will wrestle Kofi, Ryder, Rhodes, Goldust, etc you should get the point all the midcard babyfaces who will try and do everything in their power to make him look like a wrestler who should be main eventing Mania but they will fail because Batista at this point doesn't even deserve a place on the card and if we didn't know he was returning in January I highly doubt he would have been in anyones top 10 to return for a match at Mania.

 

[Pedigree1]

Batista this is the most logical choice they can go.. The fans are boo'in the shit out of him,and while its not necessarily his fault,still he is getting a shitload of heat.. A match between Batista and Bryan,is necessary and needs to happen ASAP. I think Bryan needs to be added to the match at WM,logic gap be damned..

Batista vowing to destroy all our heroe's (He better worry first about getting into shape his cardio is utter shit and is worse than the Rock's last year at WM).. Mitch did bring up a great point in saying,Bryan is the obvious face and Boretista is the heel.. The champion becomes an afterthought.. Bryan saves this WM match from being a disaster we all know its coming without Bryan in the ME..

As to how add DB into the match,maybe two weeks before WM,have Bryan put Batista in the Yes Lock,then have Orton come in and beat them both down.. A stipulation i dont see happening but maybe something along this rout could go down.. I normally don't put what if scenario's out here,but this might work

 

[Raptor93]

I think after batistas heel turn its almost guaranteed Bryan will be added, with cena facing bray, punk leaving, no rock, taker tied up with lesnar, Bryan is the only face left. You cant have a wm mainevent between 2 heels thats just idiotic. Bryan will find his way in he could still loose, I wouldn't be terribly annoyed if he won the title at SS for good making it a one year journey though something would have to change. I love bryan and the underdog story but you can only go on one thread for so long.

 

[That One Guy]

Unfortunately, I feel like we're stuck with Batista v Orton for the title. I don't know why on earth they thought bringing Batista back and throwing him right into the title picture at Wrestlemania was a good idea. He's a decent heel, he has a good look, but I've never seen him as being a top star. There's a reason the WWE went with Cena over him to be the face of the company; Batista just isn't that good. He's had a handful of good matches in his career, but nothing that could match the quality of the average Bryan match. Frankly, I just don't think Batista is that big a deal.

I do like the idea of Orton vs Batista for the title to bring the Evolution story full circle, but that should have been done six or seven years ago. It's too late now. That ship sailed when Batista left the company. Since his return, the quality of his matches has just dropped.

Alberto Del Rio carried him in the matches they've had recently. Batista barely did anything in those matches. It takes something really special to get an arena to cheer for Del Rio, but Batista did it because of the sheer level of X-Pac Heat he's been generating since his return.

As much as I want Bryan in the title picture at Wrestlemania, I just don't see it happening. I feel like we'll get Orton V Batista and Bryan V HHH. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

 

[James]

It will be a fatal 4 way match.

CM Punk is gonna be one of those "heroes"

Watch and learn.

 

[TheVolFan52]

I'm so glad they officially finally turned Batista heel. He really is hard to watch as a baby face and the best work of his career was when he was a heel. I really hope and pray that they actually let Bryan run the gauntlet at mania and I wasn't so sure that it was actually going to happen but now that batista is "officially heel" it defiantly hints that there is a third guy being added and there's only two guys that could and that's punk or bryan. I'd prefer Bryan but I still would love it if they added punk. Batista's promo tonight actually gave me a little bit of hope that they might actually give the fans what they want. Which is best for business

 

[RedRegan1005]

I don't know if that's what there doing but I sure as hell hope you're right! I have triple h refuse to face Bryan by saying that he's a legend and Bryan nots in his league. On Raw either next week or the following week have Batista destroy one of our "Heroes", Kofi or Rey possibly, then when Batista continues to kick the heck out of him after the match Bryan can make the save to lead to his match with Batista. A Bryan win would get him into the main event and it would set up a nice mix of characters for the proposed triple threat. Orton, the Authorities chosen face of the company VS Bryan, the man chosen by the fans as there hero VS Batista, the returning star who wants to destroy the Hero that has taken over sense he left. Adding Bryan to the match would have to be a little rushed with only roughly a month to Mania but it could still work. The HHH vs Bryan match would also have to be put on hold but could happen later and still work. With four PPVs between mania and Summerslam Bryan. Could successfully defend the title against Orton, Batista, and a couple other guys that Triple H can hand pick to take out Bryan. Then Triple H can say that since all the men he's picked to beat Bryan have failed he'll have to take Bryan out himself. That would lead to a match between HHH and Bryan at Summerslam that would be an end to the Daniel Bryan/ Authority angle.

 

[BenChillin]

It's clear as day.

It means he'll win the belt, and then Daniel Bryan is the "hero."

Bryan wins the belt at Extreme Rules because it's his hometown and he earned the title shot beating HHH.

 

[ADLegend21]

I've seen stuff on the new section about the plans for Mania have the main event as "Batista vs Orton vs ?" I could very well see them double book Bryan where if he beats Triple H he gets his shot that night in the main event.

He pulls out the W but Hunter knows he's in his twilight years and take a sledgehammer to Bryan so he's banged up and has to fight off the medics to compete and then against every single odd he pulls out the win on Orton as he always does and has a much louder Extreme Rules 2011 celebration with Triple H playing Michael Cole from that night.

 

[Sheamus' Suntan]

Personally, if this is the route they're going, I don't believe they should make Bryan's inclusion in the match should he beat Batista an actual stipulation. From a storyline perspective, there's a big logic hole as to why Batista would agree to it since it decreases his chances of winning the title at WrestleMania. I know they did something similar with Cena vs. Punk last February and it wound up being one of the best matches of the year. Ultimately, however, if WWE goes this route and Bryan is added to the match, people will ultimately get what they want and they'll overlook the logic gap.

This is an easy logic gap to cover. Batista does need to agree to anything. The ultimate, best way to handle this is to have Vince start the show off in Chicago. In turn, the crowd can wear themselves out burying Vince over letting punk go. Vince can then save himself the heel tyraid of boos by claiming that Batista promised to destroy all of the crowds heroes. Therefore Batista can face Bryan on raw, with the caveat of if Bryan wins, Bryan joins the main event, and if Batista refuses, he is out of the main event.

Just make it so batista can't say no.

 

[Mongoose McQueen]

Nothing will change. I love Batista as a heel but the title match will still be the same result, ultimately Batista will walk out of WrestleMania as the WWE World title. I believe that WWE planted the seeds for a Batista vs Bryan feud for post WrestleMania maybe at Extreme Rules or something.

 

[solidsnake]

Can anybody else see the timing of batista mentioning the wird heroes with raw being 2 days away in the hometown of cm punk i can see punk probably returning and going berzerk on batista.

If it happens which i hope it does it will definitely wwes best kept secret and a storyline that is going to turn the most heads in a very very long time.

 

[Dragonslayer]

WOW, I was really surprised by the reaction Batista got on Smackdown. Up until now, reactions have been pretty mixed with the crowds pretty much turning on him mid-match... but on Smackdown, he was outright booed out of the building, in a fashion I haven't seen for any heel in a long time.

It's amazing how organic this transition was, but there was no other choice - the people turned Batista heel, but mostly because of him "being in the wrong place at the wrong time". Being heel works for Batista anyway because he's a more natural heel; he looks like a mean sumb*tch badass, and for him to be that, it's logical.

However, that leaves us with Orton, a heel who is moderately over right now as a heel versus Batista, who is a monster heel right now thanks to people perceiving him "getting into the way" of Daniel Bryan. If that's your main event for WM30, that match is going to be torn apart by the crowd; regardless of the fact that Batista is still a bit rusty and probably will have a hard time getting to a full-length main event match at the biggest show of the year with Randy Orton all by himself.

In my opinion, a Triple Threat is now the only logical choice with Batista "officially" heel, and what's most surprising is that the audience is actually serving the WWE their WM30 main event on a silver platter... and STILL it looks like WWE doesn't wanna take it, as the signs still point to Bryan vs Triple H instead.

Thus, the question remains: IF WWE really does not put Daniel Bryan into that match, as unreasonable as that decision might be at this point - who do they put in?

The first obvious choice would be Cena, but he seems entangled with Bray Wyatt. Shaemus is busy with Christian.
And then the air for top-tier faces grows a bit thin:

- Rey Mysteria isn't really ME material at this point, and also possibly looking to wrap up his career in WWE pretty soon
- Big Show isn't exactly ME status at this point either
- CM Punk, who could've been an option, is currently out of the picture altogether, but that might be the wildcard WWE can use
- Guys like Cody Rhodes, Dolph Ziggler, Mark Henry and others are kind of over, but both are not really at the level to realistically challenge for the WWEWHC at this point and more upper midcard guys right now

So I'd say, WWE's options are really limited here - it's either Bryan or Bust.

So I would personally postpone the Triple H vs Bryan showdown a little longer, actually. It's a great setup - Triple H now "refusing" to confront Bryan one-on-one, so he tosses everything he has into his path, even going so far as to give him "the chance" at WM30 in the main event, never believing for a second he might come out on top against Orton AND Batista.

Of course Bryan goes over, Triple H is livid and continues making Bryan's life a living hell... but Bryan manages to hold on to the belt for a few months this time, until he eventually loses it in early summer, leading to the final showdown between Bryan and Trips at Summerslam.

That way, Bryan would get his decent run as WWEWHC that fans are clamoring for, without WWE risking keeping the belt on Bryan too long, in case his momentum wears off after the "chase" is over.

So my hope/prediction for the WM30 main event still remains: Orton vs Batista vs Bryan, and Bryan HAS to go over. Oftentimes, WZ writers say there's nothing wrong with predictability, if it's the logical route. To me, that is the ONLY logical route at this point with the crowd basically instantly turning on EVERYBODY who's WWEWHC if that person is not Daniel Bryan... and even if they entered Cena into the mix, who is getting mixed reactions already as it is, that might turn even more people against Cena as a face, as long as the Bryan-momentum is still in full swing.

 

[Mustang Sally]

This idea of Batista taking out the "heroes" of the fans and ultimately meeting Bryan is probably the best way to keep Batista interesting. IF this is where WWE is going, then the idea of him ultimately getting into it with Bryan intrigues me.

And not only Bryan; if they're able to cast Batista properly, he can take on just about anyone.....face or heel....and the audience will boo him out of the building. I think Creative is figuring that if the fans are intent on hating him, they'll go with it and turn him into a guy who would get booed if he were facing Jeffrey Dahmer in the ring.

Creative is saying: "Okay, you want to hate him? Fine, we'll make him the most detestable monster in the WWE universe.....then, you'll have a reason to hate him. Ya!"

This could be a good example of WWE rolling with the punches and turning an unexpected negative into what might become a resounding positive. If they can accomplish it, good for them, good for us.....and especially good for Batista who, despite what he may say....is likely disappointed in how he's been received. ("Gosh, folks. I just wanted you to like me.")

 

[kumarjtk]

First time wwe hear the fans voice. They turn batista as heel by the fans reaction. Sorry dave you are not John Cena. Its defenitely affects his acting carrier.

According to his promo he face zack ryder, kofi kingston, santino marella, khali, usos for handicapped match ect. He destroyes everything and win the championship at wm30.

If they choose triple threat for wm30 then bryan is best choice. Batista attack bryan and include in the title match.

Right now they make HHH vs Bryan bcoz of punk absence. The perfect storyline is bryan beat HHH at wm30 and earn the rights to face the champion at extreme rules.

 

[MCMG]

I thought his promo on Smackdown was fantastic. I have been very sceptical thus far and every time he has spoken something has been of. Raw was just awful and making him speak after a match didn't make him look good.

If they commit to turning Batista turning heel then I'm fine by that. However, I really don't want to see Orton make the switch. He has been fantastic in recent months and hopefully they don't tamper with that.

I suppose they could add Bryan or, depending on the situation, Punk. It would solve some problems but ultimately I think they want Batista as World Champ. I'm fine with heel v heel and while it might be a bit odd it could work. Of course, there was that report they want to blur the lines between heel and face so it could be plausible. The fans in attendance will boo the main-event regardless so may as well make them both bad-guys.

 

[CrucifiedRaven]

I mean the easiest way for them to go is to stay the course, have a 10-15min main event as heel vs heel where Batista goes over. But i would keep it short, closer to 10min, because it will get booed out of the building, especially once Batista wins. Then, post-match Bryan's music hits, crowd goes wild and Bryan challenges Batista to a match either the next night on RAW or at Extreme Rules. Bryan could even hit the knee on Batista if they want. Show ends with Bryan doing the Yes!, crowd is happy But with Batista as champion and the next feud already setup.

 

[fizzdaboi]

I'm not a Batista mark or anything but he's so much better as a heel and looked better against Ziggler on SD untill he gassed out and messed up what looked like was gonna be a Zig Zag and the commentators played it off as a sleeper. This seems to be shaping up better a little bit now because the booing Batista no longer matters. Also I wanna see DB in the WWE/WHC match and win at WM so all his hardcore fans can shut the fuck up finally, then hold it till SummerSlam and have him main event that against CM Punk so they can calm the fuck down with that too and whoever wins, wins. (I don't hate DB, he's an amazing wrestler (or sports entertainer if that floats your boat...) and he deserves great success, I just wish fans weren't so annoying with it sometimes.

 

[steven87gill]

On the opening segment of SmackDown! tonight, Batista essentially turned heel and stated that he would destroy all of the fans "heroes" on his way to WrestleMania. I've little doubt he'll come out on top of his match with Dolph Ziggler that's on the show, but I think what this means in the long run is that Batista MAY have revealed how Daniel Bryan gets into the title match.

While Bryan wasn't mentioned by name in his promo, it's obvious that's who he was talking about. If WWE ultimately has Batista having matches as a means of proving a point that he's "better" than the fans' "heroes", there's a strong probability that he'll wind up facing Bryan sooner or later. If so, Bryan could be added to the title match if he beats Batista. Personally, if this is the route they're going, I don't believe they should make Bryan's inclusion in the match should he beat Batista an actual stipulation. From a storyline perspective, there's a big logic hole as to why Batista would agree to it since it decreases his chances of winning the title at WrestleMania. I know they did something similar with Cena vs. Punk last February and it wound up being one of the best matches of the year. Ultimately, however, if WWE goes this route and Bryan is added to the match, people will ultimately get what they want and they'll overlook the logic gap.

As they were showing the aftermath of Batista's match with Del Rio this past Monday, it reminded me of another reason to add Bryan to the match. Batista is in some pretty shit ass rotten cardiovascular shape and was seriously gassed by the time his match with Del Rio was over. When Orton was standing in the ring, Batista was on one knee leaning up against the ropes gasping for breath. Adding Bryan will make things much easier for Batista as his presence will give Batista time to rest.

This idea of Batista taking out the "heroes" of the fans and ultimately meeting Bryan is probably the best way to keep Batista interesting. IF this is where WWE is going, then the idea of him ultimately getting into it with Bryan intrigues me.

I actually think they missed a trick by not having Bryan win the chamber and go 1 on 1 with Batista at WM. It would be the ultimate 'underdog peoples champion' vs 'handpicked Hollywood star'. The near falls would be unbearable as people seem to be convinced that Batista has some sort of contractual guarantee to a title win.

Also, you'd naturally assume that they gave Bryan the belt at EC to placate the angry fans & will simply drop it to Batista at WM.

Or maybe add Randy in there with his rematch clause & it would make you think that he's there to take the pin-fall so Bryan doesn't look weak. Meaning if Bryan actually made Batista tap out, it would be a helluva shocking moment. More shocking than when HHH tapped to Cena at WM22. But this time shocking in a good way!

 

[BringThePain834]

I honestly think a lot of people would have been fine with Batista's return if 1: he had returned heel, and 2: he had come back in October when the contract was signed.

Now from what I can gather from the past few weeks we've seen him...

Wrester wise

1) He's not worth the contract he will be on for few matches, no house shows etc.

2) He thinks he's half his age with his 12 year old sister's skinny jeans and his nose stud.

3) He's clearly just back for the big payday. Would he have rejoined for day after Mania and have to wait a year like Brock? Don't think so.

4) His promos have never been that good.

5) He hasn't had a single good match performance. HE'S GASSED OUT AFTER ONE MOVE!!!

6) He doesn't come across ever as fan friendly. Very much seeing the business we love as a business instead of as a passion that pays well.

7) He's not all that successful outside of wrestling. His MMA fight sucked and he's only gotten one major movie role, in a movie that doesn't look very good

Now person wise.

He cheated on his wife that had cancer with Melina and Kelly Kelly. And what makes it worse is he spoke about it in his autobiography like his wife was the one in the wrong - go figure?!
LIKE COME ON NOW!!!

He has a great tendency to whine. WWE has gone to his head a little and made him arrogant and he simply whines because he can.
He has nothing to whine about, many wrestlers would kill for his spot and the money hes making. And you wonder why Booker kicked his ass backstage!!!!!

Now if they chose someone else to win the Rumble, it would have still pissed people off. They probably would have given the title back to Cena and then they most likely would have begged Rock to come back and win the Rumble.