Bad Checks and Flabby Wrestlers

[Rayne]

From separate items on the main page:

It has been over 6 weeks since i wrestles for tna and i still havent been paid and the check that they sent me 2 weeks ago bounced WTF!!!!!

In an article that's far too long to quote in the name of readable posts, Shane Douglas refers to TNA/IW as a failure: Link Here


Thoughts and comments? For those of you who like to dance and jump whenever you hear negative news about TNA/IW, get your hardons ready. Those of you on the other side of the fence, start assassinating their characters.

My personal thoughts? Shane Douglas, I never put much stock into what he has to say. He speaks his mind, but too often his mind is only concerned with his next paycheck. I'm much more concerned about James Yun's check bouncing- major companies don't do that. (For those of you who might say, "but why doesn't he take it to the Labor Board?", I hope you never have to go through that process yourself. They don't rush out to get you your money, they file a report and say "thanks for telling us.") There is simply no good reason that any healthy company has for having its checks bounce. It comes down to either Yun is lying (and in the process, committing an easily provable libel- all a lawyer would have to do is check to see if the check was deposited), or TNA/IW doesn't have their accounting together.

Shane Douglas is a loudmouth who can be counted to go off every few months or so- this James Yun check situation is potentially much more serious than a lot of people here will realize.

 

[Nate DaMac]

Shane Douglas is a sad, old twat who hasn't been relevant since the late 90's. Nothing he says matters in the least.

Wang's check bouncing is rather odd though. How would TNA have a 250 dollar check bounce? Something tells me that there are other circumstances surrounding this because there's no way they don't have the money for his check. If it's legit though...

 

[The Crock]

The Shane Douglas situation is just stupid. I don't put any stock into what Douglas says because he's a moron and he's full of himself, always has been. He's been a failure for too long to be able to say this, so I don't see why it even counts as "newsworthy." That's not why it's so asinine though, how can TNA be considered a failure? They're (apparently) making a profit, they have a stable fan base, they're no WWE, but they're a success. People have really screwed up views on what is considered a failure and a success, they let their allegiance to a certain product (WWE, TNA, ROH) get in the way and don't look at it objectively.

Now onto the Jimmy Wang Yang thing. I'm not sure if Yang's just trying to stir some stuff up, if TNA made a mistake, or if they've been deceiving us and they're not making money, but it's an embarrassing situation for both sides really. Embarrassing for Yang that he has to go out on Twitter to handle this, embarrassing for TNA that they can't handle their business. Still though, this isn't a big deal either. I'm sure people will blow it out of proportion and it will fuel "TNA going bankrupt" rumors, but it was going to happen anyway.

 

[MB1025]

Sounds like Wang wanted a job, didn't get it, and now is lashing out. For anyone to believe he didn't get paid or his checked bounced is ridiculous.

 

[Rayne]

Sounds like Wang wanted a job, didn't get it, and now is lashing out. For anyone to believe he didn't get paid or his checked bounced is ridiculous.

And why exactly is that ridiculous? I figured you'd be among the reflexive character assassination crowd, but do you care to expound upon that opinion?

 

[conrad405]

just sounds like yang is lashing out cos he doesnt have a job and as for SD who gives a shit what he says haha

 

[AntiChristDeicide]

Oh for satan's sake, Shane Douglas as not been relevent to the wrestling buisness since WCW died, so i wouldn't take him seriously. As for Jimmy Wang Yang, check bouncing yeah right. Look we don't know the finances of TNA, but for satan's sake if TNA was in so bad of shape TNA would have the mass exodus that ECW had when Paul Heyman was running it. Where is the mass exodus? Oh yeah thats right, there is none.

 

[chenandlerbong]

Shane Douglas is just a bitter person, trying to hold on to the last piece of relevance he has in the wrestling world. The Jimmy Wang situation is more than likely just a clerical error, but the fact its taken 6 weeks and still hasnt been sorted is a bit of a joke.

 

[MB1025]

And why exactly is that ridiculous? I figured you'd be among the reflexive character assassination crowd, but do you care to expound upon that opinion?

Let's just use common sense. Yang most likely got paid so little someone backstage could have taken it out of their pocket for him. We are supposed to believe TNA didn't have 200 - 1000 dollars ( estimate ) in the bank? No one else is publicly lashing out or going to the dirt sheets about not being paid. He didn't get a job and he is pissed.

 

[tears_of_rage]

I Do think tna is a failure, not by their wrestlers of course,but by the same clowns that ran the 2000 era wcw into the ground, having bischoff talking on a cell phone in some office on tna television isn't doing much. unless he's calling lawyers trying to get him out of his contract or jack kevorkian to end it all, i don't see a point of him being there. of course kevorkian is dead so i guess that's not an option.as for wang, buddy you need to get your food stamp application in soon!

 

[X]

Oh for satan's sake, Shane Douglas as not been relevent to the wrestling buisness since WCW died, so i wouldn't take him seriously. As for Jimmy Wang Yang, check bouncing yeah right. Look we don't know the finances of TNA, but for satan's sake if TNA was in so bad of shape TNA would have the mass exodus that ECW had when Paul Heyman was running it. Where is the mass exodus? Oh yeah thats right, there is none.

What? There was no "mass exodus" in ECW because of Heyman. People just kept leaving because WCW actually offered them good-paying contracts, as opposed to the peanuts they were making in ECW and the money that Heyman wound up owing to a ton of the boys. People didn't jump ship from ECW because they didn't like the direction of the company though, they almost always jumped ship purely for more money and most wound up coming back once WCW had misused and mistreated them for several years.

Anyways, on this topic itself, on the Douglas matter, don't care. Shane Douglas is a loudmouth jackass and always has been, so you have to take anything he says with a heaping pile of salt obviously. Him saying TNA is a failure and is dead means about as much to me as the random newb saying the same thing in the TNA sections here on the board.

On the Yang thing....that's fucked up, and straight up bush league. What possible reason could Yang have to lie about something like this? What could he possibly have to gain here? Nothing, he'd just be setting himself up for an easy libel suit like Rayne mentioned. Considering how poorly TNA has paid employees in the past and some of the shady treatment they've reportedly given to them though, this doesn't surprise be at all. This is just like when you hear about with their champions having to work at Sunglasses Hut or apply for food stamps to get by. Shit is really sad.

Let's just use common sense. Yang most likely got paid so little someone backstage could have taken it out of their pocket for him. We are supposed to believe TNA didn't have 200 - 1000 dollars ( estimate ) in the bank? No one else is publicly lashing out or going to the dirt sheets about not being paid. He didn't get a job and he is pissed.

No, common sense here would tell us that obviously there was just some error committed by TNA's accounting and payroll division. "Common sense" isn't to start accusing people of lying based off of nothing but your disdain for them for saying something negative about your favorite wrestling promotion.

This really isn't that big of a deal, TNA just needs to remedy it fast because while it's understandable that accounting mistakes can happen, it becomes less understandable when many weeks go by and you still haven't been paid yet. This isn't a sign that TNA is in trouble financially or dying or anything like that, it just seems like a simple clerical error probably. TNA needs to fix it ASAP though, because Yang already shouldn't have had to wait this long to get paid.

 

[MB1025]

What? There was no "mass exodus" in ECW because of Heyman. People just kept leaving because WCW actually offered them good-paying contracts, as opposed to the peanuts they were making in ECW and the money that Heyman wound up owing to a ton of the boys. People didn't jump ship from ECW because they didn't like the direction of the company though, they almost always jumped ship purely for more money and most wound up coming back once WCW had misused and mistreated them for several years.

Anyways, on this topic itself, on the Douglas matter, don't care. Shane Douglas is a loudmouth jackass and always has been, so you have to take anything he says with a heaping pile of salt obviously. Him saying TNA is a failure and is dead means about as much to me as the random newb saying the same thing in the TNA sections here on the board.

On the Yang thing....that's fucked up, and straight up bush league. What possible reason could Yang have to lie about something like this? What could he possibly have to gain here? Nothing, he'd just be setting himself up for an easy libel suit like Rayne mentioned. Considering how poorly TNA has paid employees in the past and some of the shady treatment they've reportedly given to them though, this doesn't surprise be at all. This is just like when you hear about with their champions having to work at Sunglasses Hut or apply for food stamps to get by. Shit is really sad.



No, common sense here would tell us that obviously there was just some error committed by TNA's accounting and payroll division. "Common sense" isn't to start accusing people of lying based off of nothing but your disdain for them for saying something negative about your favorite wrestling promotion.

This really isn't that big of a deal, TNA just needs to remedy it fast because while it's understandable that accounting mistakes can happen, it becomes less understandable when many weeks go by and you still haven't been paid yet. This isn't a sign that TNA is in trouble financially or dying or anything like that, it just seems like a simple clerical error probably. TNA needs to fix it ASAP though, because Yang already shouldn't have had to wait this long to get paid.

But it is Ok to have the opinion he is telling the truth.

BTW. The original post contained several different scenarios of what could have happened. One of which was him lying. I just happen to take that stance because anyone who goes public over not getting one pay check right after the night all the new X Division wrestlers debuted seems like they have a different agenda IMO.

 

[three count bout]

Well...I have had a check bounce under fishy circumstances that was merely an accident (or so they said!). I would assume some type of accounting error occurred, which is more of a reflection on the financial department and who is employed in those positions. I'd say its more embarrassing than explosive that such a silly blunder can happen, because it will undoubtedly be magnified and perhaps rightly so.

I can't say its bitterness for yang because I would probably be a little peeved if a national company flopped a small amount of money I earned as well. I don't know If I would've gone to twitter solely because he may want to work for IW again and his twitter statements could burn any future olive branches.

In terms of the Franchise Shane Douglas, making outrageous statements is par for the course. His opinion is IW is a failure, its not an original idea and its shared by more people than him justifiable or not. I'm not particularly interested in his comments, although his thoughts on Joe aren't entirely off base. Whatever...

 

[czar76]

As far as the bounced check it was more then likely a mistake like many others on here said. I am willing to believe that TNA may not be making a lot of money but they just hired a hand full of x-division guys so I doubt they can't pay anyone. Granted they may not be paying these guys much but I think even Dixie knows u can't hire new people when u can't pay the old ones. At least I hope she does.

Douglas is full of shit most of the time. He twists the truth around what ever will make him standout. He has always been bitter since his first run in WCW in the late '80's. Hell a good portion of hs character in ECW was based around his "hatred" for Flair. The guy acts like he is a wrestling icon and the fact is he was good enough to carry a small up and comming company but was never at the level to do it in the big time.

When one of the top people in TNA says they haven't been paid or that the company is on the rocks I will believe it until then all we have is guys who don't work there or who did a few years ago. When a current star says it then it's worth thinking about.

 

[Rayne]

Let's just use common sense. Yang most likely got paid so little someone backstage could have taken it out of their pocket for him. We are supposed to believe TNA didn't have 200 - 1000 dollars ( estimate ) in the bank? No one else is publicly lashing out or going to the dirt sheets about not being paid. He didn't get a job and he is pissed.

'Common sense' is usually another way of saying "my opinion is right, and if you don't agree you must be crazy." TNA/IW doesn't have "a bank account". They have several. (How do I know this? I've worked for companies that hired more than a dozen people before.) They likely have separate bank accounts for salaried workers, per-appearance workers, a petty cash fund, a corporate account, and so on and so forth. It is completely feasible that whichever account James Yun was being paid out of went temporarily dry. 'Common sense' doesn't mean "I don't like what he said so it must be a lie." 'Common sense' would say Yun would keep his mouth shut for fear of not being employed again. 'Common sense' would say Yun wouldn't publicly print a lie about not being paid when the company in question can hire far more powerful lawyers than he can for a very easily provable libel case.

So spare us all the 'common sense' bullshit, please, the phrase isn't supposed to be used to say "I must be right, duh."

Oh for satan's sake, Shane Douglas as not been relevent to the wrestling buisness since WCW died, so i wouldn't take him seriously. As for Jimmy Wang Yang, check bouncing yeah right. Look we don't know the finances of TNA, but for satan's sake if TNA was in so bad of shape TNA would have the mass exodus that ECW had when Paul Heyman was running it. Where is the mass exodus? Oh yeah thats right, there is none.

And they would go.... where, exactly? The WWE is being selective these days, even ROH is able to pick and choose right now. The situation as it stands for anyone who wants to be a professional wrestler these days is to take what you're offered and be thankful for that. The logic of "if a check bounced, there would be a rush for the exits" doesn't hold when the exit leads straight out of the business.


I have had this happen to me before, personally. A couple years back, I worked for a company for a few weeks called Preferrable Staffing (I'm more than happy to name them, I still have the paperwork from the rejected checks.) They were a day labor/restaurant staffing outfit, where you'd work a job and get paid the next day. The first checks I got, every single one bounced. The receptionist there, a woman who was in on the scam these folks were running, insisted that the checks were good, it was just that banks weren't taking them because the account numbers have changed. (Yeah, puzzle that one out. A check you can't bring to a bank isn't a good check.) I ended up getting my money from their petty cash account by threatening to go to the BBB, Labor Board, and every single entity they contracted with and discussing with those people how business was being run at Preferrable Staffing, and once I had my cash, went out and did that anyways. (Which is why I bitched about the Labor Board in my first post, those folks are fucking useless.) They ended up going out of business a couple of months later, and none of their stockholders knew what was happening until it already had.

This isn't intended as a direct allegory- no one come out raging that I said because one company couldn't pay their bills and lied about it, that means that must be the case with TNA/IW. This is one case where I don't have enough information to venture a reasonable guess either way. But I have seen companies pull this stunt before.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

As far as the check business goes, it's an embarassment if it's true. I don't think TNA could look more like a second rate company than that.

When it comes to Shane Douglas, I just kinda wish he'd go away altogether. Douglas might very well be the single most overrated never-was to come out of ECW. That's impressive when you consider that probably 90% of the roster was an overrated never-was. Douglas is an extremely bitter man and is a perfect example of a lot of wrestlers going on the internet and trashing companies because he didn't make it and attempting to convince people that he was much better than he actually was.

 

[ocekit]

I don't know anything about Shane Douglas as a wrestler or as a person, so I can't bring myself to comment on anything he said.

However, I do feel bad for both Jimmy Wang Yang and TNA. I'm not sure talking about it on Twitter was the best way for him to address the issue, as it's unprofessional and may cost him future bookings with the company. At the same time, his case is finally public and forces the issue.

If what he says is true and he didn't actually get paid for his appearance at a TNA event, then he has every right to be miffed about it, especially if he's contacted them about the mistake on more than one occasion. He did a job (no matter how short and insignificant it might be) and he should have been paid for it promptly. It's hard enough for wrestlers to make money unless they're out of the independent scene and in these hard economic times, every paycheck counts.

If he lied about it, the cost of a libel suit would probably be more than the alleged paycheck, even if he won the case.

That being said, it's highly likely that it was a simple error that has evolved into a significant mistake because it hasn't been dealt with efficiently. Someone screwed up big time on the low end and the higher-ups didn't catch wind of it. It's not a sign that TNA's in the red or that all of their outside performers are screwed out of their paychecks. It says nothing about their financial status, and more about how people in that segment of their staff handle problems.

But it IS a problem that TNA must deal with quickly. It draws negative press and possible distrust toward TNA, and that's not something any company needs, especially when it comes to an important issue like worker payment. The worst check you can bounce is a paycheck.

 

[AntiChristDeicide]

I don't know anything about Shane Douglas as a wrestler or as a person, so I can't bring myself to comment on anything he said.

However, I do feel bad for both Jimmy Wang Yang and TNA. I'm not sure talking about it on Twitter was the best way for him to address the issue, as it's unprofessional and may cost him future bookings with the company. At the same time, his case is finally public and forces the issue.

If what he says is true and he didn't actually get paid for his appearance at a TNA event, then he has every right to be miffed about it, especially if he's contacted them about the mistake on more than one occasion. He did a job (no matter how short and insignificant it might be) and he should have been paid for it promptly. It's hard enough for wrestlers to make money unless they're out of the independent scene and in these hard economic times, every paycheck counts.

If he lied about it, the cost of a libel suit would probably be more than the alleged paycheck, even if he won the case.

That being said, it's highly likely that it was a simple error that has evolved into a significant mistake because it hasn't been dealt with efficiently. Someone screwed up big time on the low end and the higher-ups didn't catch wind of it. It's not a sign that TNA's in the red or that all of their outside performers are screwed out of their paychecks. It says nothing about their financial status, and more about how people in that segment of their staff handle problems.

But it IS a problem that TNA must deal with quickly. It draws negative press and possible distrust toward TNA, and that's not something any company needs, especially when it comes to an important issue like worker payment. The worst check you can bounce is a paycheck.

What, you said is true, but the thing is that how come Jack Evans didn't complain? Jack Evans had a couple of matches with TNA for the Destination X PPV, how come he isn't complaining? Thats why Jimmy Wang Yang comes off as someone with an agenda. Now maybe i'm wrong ( i can admit it when i'm wrong) and it only happened with Yang, but its strange that of all the guys in the X-division tourny for the contract that he was the only one who's check bounced.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Shane Douglas thinks he's Shawn Michaels but he's not even Headbanger Mosh. Dude has like 10 fans in Philly who thinks he's the god he thinks he is but other than that no one has or ever will give a shit about him.

As for the Wang thang, it happens sometimes. Iunno, maybe they took it from the wrong account or the routing number was wrong or some shit. Probably a technical problem.

 

[Brian in Austin]

I would put this in the category of he said, they said. What I mean is since it's impossible for any of us to confirm this story, it would have to be chalked up to an uproven allegation. As a fan I would like to believe this didn't happen and since it's unconfirmed, I can't say that it did. I can only say that the wrestler in question has alleged something he hasn't proven to be true.

 

[AntiChristDeicide]

I would put this in the category of he said, they said. What I mean is since it's impossible for any of us to confirm this story, it would have to be chalked up to an uproven allegation. As a fan I would like to believe this didn't happen and since it's unconfirmed, I can't say that it did. I can only say that the wrestler in question has alleged something he hasn't proven to be true.

Agreed, but WWE fans look at this and see it as another example of TNA being doomed ( wich by the way it isn't). Me when i saw the story, i said to myself " well thats strange Yang not being paid when TNA signed new wrestlers". My take on the situation is that maybe just maybe it was an honest mistake. The accountants in TNA are human after all.

 

[ABMorales787]

I find it funny that Shane Douglas calls TNA a failure and then produces JCW's absolute blunder of a supercard. Scam or massive backfire? Probably both. But if people held low opinions of Shane word before, it should pretty much be buried by now.

As for Jimmy Yang, it's a one time only check, so processing does get a little troublesome when it's the first time. That's still weird though.