Backlash surrounding the Fabulous Moolah Battle Royal

[MrMojoRisin]

I would really not mind The Trish Stratus Memorial Battle Royal.

There hasn't been a bigger global name than her (apart from Chyna) when it comes to Women's Wrestling.

I'd have a bit of a problem with it, considering she'd have to pass away first for it to be a memorial, and she's cool. I'd like to keep her around for quite a while still.

I'm glad they took Moolah's name off of this thing. Annoyed that it was only because of a sponsor complaining and the prior fan complaints meant nothing (apparently they turned off the comments on the Youtube announcement because they were so negative). But that's the WWE for you.

If you have to name this event after someone though, then honestly Chyna makes more sense than anyone in their history.

First think about why they named the men's battle royal after Andre? The event itself was obviously because they wanted something to get more of the roster onto the card, and they wanted it to be an annual event, so they needed a hook so that it could be. Andre was the perfect hook, because he was synonymous with the battle royal. One of his biggest claims to fame was that he was the undisputed king of the battle royal. He didn't lose them, and the odd time that he would? It would only be because everyone else in the thing teamed up to beat him. There was literally no one else they could have used that would have made as much sense.

I legitimately don't know that Moolah ever competed in a battle royal in her life. And if she did, it wasn't her thing. But you know who did? Chyna. She was the first woman to compete in the Royal Rumble. She was the first woman to not just compete for, but win men's championships. In any woman's battle royal, just like with Andre, the only way the rest of the field could win is if they teamed together to take her out.

Obviously the reason for the event is a way to put more of the women on the card, and to once again make that an annual thing. So a good hook makes sense to help make this a tradition.

She was the one, and it would have been a great, sincere gesture towards the women's movement if they had chosen to honor her.

But they dropped the ball, as they usually do when these opportunities come up.

 

[Psykohurricane55]

I'd have a bit of a problem with it, considering she'd have to pass away first for it to be a memorial, and she's cool. I'd like to keep her around for quite a while still.

I'm glad they took Moolah's name off of this thing. Annoyed that it was only because of a sponsor complaining and the prior fan complaints meant nothing (apparently they turned off the comments on the Youtube announcement because they were so negative). But that's the WWE for you.

If you have to name this event after someone though, then honestly Chyna makes more sense than anyone in their history.

First think about why they named the men's battle royal after Andre? The event itself was obviously because they wanted something to get more of the roster onto the card, and they wanted it to be an annual event, so they needed a hook so that it could be. Andre was the perfect hook, because he was synonymous with the battle royal. One of his biggest claims to fame was that he was the undisputed king of the battle royal. He didn't lose them, and the odd time that he would? It would only be because everyone else in the thing teamed up to beat him. There was literally no one else they could have used that would have made as much sense.

I legitimately don't know that Moolah ever competed in a battle royal in her life. And if she did, it wasn't her thing. But you know who did? Chyna. She was the first woman to compete in the Royal Rumble. She was the first woman to not just compete for, but win men's championships. In any woman's battle royal, just like with Andre, the only way the rest of the field could win is if they teamed together to take her out.

Obviously the reason for the event is a way to put more of the women on the card, and to once again make that an annual thing. So a good hook makes sense to help make this a tradition.

She was the one, and it would have been a great, sincere gesture towards the women's movement if they had chosen to honor her.

But they dropped the ball, as they usually do when these opportunities come up.

Personally, while i thought it was a nice gesture on their part to honor the career of Moolah with this battle royal, Mostly because i wasn't aware of all the allegations against her, i understood why they pulled her off the match, but at the same time if this was just a sponsor thing, do you really believe that the sponsors would be o.k. with Chyna being honored in that way. Somebody that was just a trainwreck and a horrible person in general. Yes what she did doesn't compared to what Moolah supposedly did, but still it's not really the image you want you're battle royal to have either.

I also feel that those that praise Chyna but are outrage about Moolah are just plain hypocrites in my opinion. Again not comparing what Chyna did to what moolah did because it's 2 completely different thing but let's face it, both we're horrible peoples and both deserves to be outcast from the wrestling business if were rating them by what they did in their personal lives.

If i was them, my choice would have been either Sherri or just honor Mae Young again. At this point both are pretty much save choice even through i'm sure with some digging, fans could find something horrible to put on them but at less you wouldn't get the outrage they got with Moolah.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Personally, while i thought it was a nice gesture on their part to honor the career of Moolah with this battle royal, Mostly because i wasn't aware of all the allegations against her, i understood why they pulled her off the match, but at the same time if this was just a sponsor thing, do you really believe that the sponsors would be o.k. with Chyna being honored in that way. Somebody that was just a trainwreck and a horrible person in general. Yes what she did doesn't compared to what Moolah supposedly did, but still it's not really the image you want you're battle royal to have either.

I also feel that those that praise Chyna but are outrage about Moolah are just plain hypocrites in my opinion. Again not comparing what Chyna did to what moolah did because it's 2 completely different thing but let's face it, both we're horrible peoples and both deserves to be outcast from the wrestling business if were rating them by what they did in their personal lives.

If i was them, my choice would have been either Sherri or just honor Mae Young again. At this point both are pretty much save choice even through i'm sure with some digging, fans could find something horrible to put on them but at less you wouldn't get the outrage they got with Moolah.

What did Chyna do that was so horrible?

I'm not aware of much more than some bad personal decisions and mean comments that some would justify at best as truthful and at worst drug and mental illness induced.

 

[stingray11214]

Let us be real about a couple of things: 1) The only reason why VKM named it the Fabulous Moolah Battle Royale is because he OWNS the name and likeness of Fabulous Moolah in perpetuity. 2) It was known amongst promoters, the dirt sheets, and fans that she was a snake. You could say that she was the Hulk Hogan of Women's wrestling...and not in a good way. 3) She was an EMPLOYEE of VKM in the 80's and 90's, and was single handedly responsible for destroying a budding Women's Tag Team division. And, made fewer want to join the WWF. It was not until more Mildred Burke and Japanese influenced wrestlers came into the WWF (Madusa, Nakano, Monster Ripper aka Bertha Faye) that Moolah's power dropped dramatically.

Why VKM did not go out of his way to honor Mildred Burke, who did more for Women's wrestling in five minutes than Moolah did in her lifetime? Burke opened up Japan. It was HER belt that was the big prize in Women's wrestling until the turn of the Century. Moolah only wrestled in Japan. Burke left her influence. Even today, can you HONESTLY say that Moolah influences ANYONE today if VKM did not say she did?

 

[HeenanGorilla]

I think the way to go is Beth Phoenix. "Memorial" is unnecessary, you can just name it after her. She is a Hall of Famer who also competed in the men's Rumble, was groundbreaking in her own right and is still recent enough to have a positive effect. Andre is a true legend, to say the least, so his name has enough power to work even now, so long after he passed away. But Beth is from the past, a HOFer, still recent enough to connect with today's fans--plus married to Edge, who is also recent enough to connect with today's fans--and bring some nostalgia all at the same time.

Honestly, I don't know the "real life" stories of any of these women because I am not interested. So, if there is a black eye on Beth's resume, feel free to let me know about it. But, from what I know, she seems like a solid choice.

 

[stingray11214]

Personally, while i thought it was a nice gesture on their part to honor the career of Moolah with this battle royal, Mostly because i wasn't aware of all the allegations against her, i understood why they pulled her off the match, but at the same time if this was just a sponsor thing, do you really believe that the sponsors would be o.k. with Chyna being honored in that way. Somebody that was just a trainwreck and a horrible person in general. Yes what she did doesn't compared to what Moolah supposedly did, but still it's not really the image you want you're battle royal to have either.

I also feel that those that praise Chyna but are outrage about Moolah are just plain hypocrites in my opinion. Again not comparing what Chyna did to what moolah did because it's 2 completely different thing but let's face it, both we're horrible peoples and both deserves to be outcast from the wrestling business if were rating them by what they did in their personal lives.

If i was them, my choice would have been either Sherri or just honor Mae Young again. At this point both are pretty much save choice even through i'm sure with some digging, fans could find something horrible to put on them but at less you wouldn't get the outrage they got with Moolah.

What did Chyna do that was so horrible?

I'm not aware of much more than some bad personal decisions and mean comments that some would justify at best as truthful and at worst drug and mental illness induced.

Let me say, for the umpteenth time on this Forum, why Chyna will not be in the HoF in the IMMEDIATE future. If it was about Vince alone, she probably would have been in already. If it was about Vince AND Stephanie alone, she might have been in THIS YEAR'S class (via the Women's Revolution). However, with the rise of bullying in our schools, VKM is NOT ABOUT to put crosshairs on his Granddaughters backs. And, the minute it is announced that Chyna is going into the HoF, those girls are going to hear it. And, if you do not think that is the case, you are saying that you were never a kid. Kids know how to look for Wikipedia, and they will use it as ammunition. The schoolyard has not changed in all those years. The last thing Stephanie wants to see after coming home from a meeting with sponsors is her youngest daughter running to her in tears saying that the kids in School said Chyna was her Mommy and her Daddy dirty movies with Chyna.

Though Chyna's transgressions are basically a nothing burger as compared to Moolah's, it is the effect that is may have on the immediate McMahon family universe that causes the most concern. Never mind that Chyna was basically a side show and not much more.

 

[Psykohurricane55]

i just thought since this video came up today about one of Moolah's student defending here that i would post it here since i feel this won't make the main site.

I know it probably won't change anybody's mind about Moolah but i just find it refreshing to see somebody coming to here defense

here the link to the video: https://youtu.be/dmtMEFZF9Ow

 

[LibSuperstar]

i just thought since this video came up today about one of Moolah's student defending here that i would post it here since i feel this won't make the main site.

I know it probably won't change anybody's mind about Moolah but i just find it refreshing to see somebody coming to here defense

here the link to the video: https://youtu.be/dmtMEFZF9Ow

Her last line doesn’t sound like a ringing endorsement. Leilani Kai also did an interview on Madusa’s podcast so we’ll see what she has to say.

 

[MrMojoRisin]

Personally, while i thought it was a nice gesture on their part to honor the career of Moolah with this battle royal, Mostly because i wasn't aware of all the allegations against her, i understood why they pulled her off the match, but at the same time if this was just a sponsor thing, do you really believe that the sponsors would be o.k. with Chyna being honored in that way. Somebody that was just a trainwreck and a horrible person in general. Yes what she did doesn't compared to what Moolah supposedly did, but still it's not really the image you want you're battle royal to have either.

I also feel that those that praise Chyna but are outrage about Moolah are just plain hypocrites in my opinion. Again not comparing what Chyna did to what moolah did because it's 2 completely different thing but let's face it, both we're horrible peoples and both deserves to be outcast from the wrestling business if were rating them by what they did in their personal lives.

If i was them, my choice would have been either Sherri or just honor Mae Young again. At this point both are pretty much save choice even through i'm sure with some digging, fans could find something horrible to put on them but at less you wouldn't get the outrage they got with Moolah.

LOL whatever there pal.

Chyna was a horrible person? How exactly?

- was she horrible when her boyfriend cheated on her with her bosses daughter? A boss she'd completely transformed her body for?
- was she horrible when that boss pushed her into doing Playboy?
- was she horrible when she got fired by that boss because his daughter felt uncomfortable having her new boyfriends ex working for them?
- was she horrible when all that time on the road for that wonderful boss exposed her to the drugs and addiction that she would ultimately spend the remainder of her life struggling with?
- was she horrible when the WWE refused to let her use the name she was famous for to earn a living?
- was she horrible later in her life when she moved to Japan to teach English to children?

or is it because she did porn? Was she horrible because she chose to earn a living for a time at something completely legal and potentially highly lucrative?

Moolah was a pimp. She trafficked young women for sex. She held those same women down professionally. She stole their money. She knowingly and willingly sent them off to be raped.

How do you possibly compare the two?

One was a victim, and led a tragic life because of it. The other victimized a lot of women, and did it for decades. She was celebrated her entire life for it.

Knowing the difference between the two isn't hypocrisy. Doing mental gymnastics to make the two equal is though.

 

[Psykohurricane55]

LOL whatever there pal.

Chyna was a horrible person? How exactly?

- was she horrible when her boyfriend cheated on her with her bosses daughter? A boss she'd completely transformed her body for?
- was she horrible when that boss pushed her into doing Playboy?
- was she horrible when she got fired by that boss because his daughter felt uncomfortable having her new boyfriends ex working for them?
- was she horrible when all that time on the road for that wonderful boss exposed her to the drugs and addiction that she would ultimately spend the remainder of her life struggling with?
- was she horrible when the WWE refused to let her use the name she was famous for to earn a living?
- was she horrible later in her life when she moved to Japan to teach English to children?

or is it because she did porn? Was she horrible because she chose to earn a living for a time at something completely legal and potentially highly lucrative?

Moolah was a pimp. She trafficked young women for sex. She held those same women down professionally. She stole their money. She knowingly and willingly sent them off to be raped.

How do you possibly compare the two?

One was a victim, and led a tragic life because of it. The other victimized a lot of women, and did it for decades. She was celebrated her entire life for it.

Knowing the difference between the two isn't hypocrisy. Doing mental gymnastics to make the two equal is though.

First of all in what kind of fantasy land do you live in? None of what you wrote about what happened to chyna is true, in fact for most of what you wrote it was the other way around.

She wanted to do playboy,

she wasn't fired her contract expires and they didn't renew her contract because she was asking for more money then she was worth

She transformed her body not for Hunter but for her own career advancement

She blamed everybody for her drug problems instead of looking in the mirror and realising that she was the problems not everybody, in fact, wwe tried to help her out on different occasion and she refuse it every time. The fact is she never was a good person, she use everybody to get advance her own career and when she didn't get her way, she started to blame everybody for her downfall. She even blame her trainer killer kowalski and the wrestling fans for her misfortuned. Porn is just another crappy way she found to blame vince and HHH for her misfortunes.

The thing is, I can compare both moolah and chyna because moolah story is based on rumors and allegations that former students who couldn't cut it in wrestling started against her and fans bought it just like you bought everything that came out of chyna' s mouth. People do lie when they hold a grudge against somebody, you just need to realise that not everything That's reported in the newsletters and shoot interview is 100% true.