At least Cena didn't bleed, piss or puke

[Bernkastel]

You ask what the point is? You really don't understand the point that Lesnar ended the streak and now Lesnar decimated Cena? Lesnar is their biggest draw and this will likely end in a huge match between Reigns and Lesnar at some point.

Lesnar is WWE's biggest draw? Are you on PCP? The man only works 3 matches a year, how could he possibly "draw?" I guarantee the WWE won't be making any more money with Lesnar present or gone.

I feel Sally's pain. Lesnar will probably hold the title until Mania where he will probably defend said title maybe twice along the way, showing up on RAW once every blue moon, with Heyman having to remind us every week that he still exists.

And in the end Lesnar will drop the title to either Reigns or Bryan who will then become bigger than Jesus [if they manage to stay healthy for a month after winning.] Lesnar is ultimately a transitional champion. He isn't the face of the company. WWE obviously has no desire to make him into their poster boy.

Years down the road this title reign will likely be irrelevant. Just like most of Lesnar's stuff from a decade ago.

 

[Sedated]

Lesnar is WWE's biggest draw? Are you on PCP? The man only works 3 matches a year, how could he possibly "draw?" I guarantee the WWE won't be making any more money with Lesnar present or gone.

I feel Sally's pain. Lesnar will probably hold the title until Mania where he will probably defend said title maybe twice along the way, showing up on RAW once every blue moon, with Heyman having to remind us every week that he still exists.

And in the end Lesnar will drop the title to either Reigns or Bryan who will then become bigger than Jesus [if they manage to stay healthy for a month after winning.] Lesnar is ultimately a transitional champion. He isn't the face of the company. WWE obviously has no desire to make him into their poster boy.

Years down the road this title reign will likely be irrelevant. Just like most of Lesnar's stuff from a decade ago.

It doesn't matter how many times a year Lesnar wrestles. When he wrestles he's the biggest draw they have. If you think other wise you're out of your fucking mind.

Lesnars current title reign will always be remembered, just like The Rock's recent transitional title reign will always be remembered.

Lastly, most of Lesnar's stuff from a decade ago is irrelevant? Okay, now your bias is really showing.

Is Lesnar going to be the face of the company? No. He's still the biggest draw they have. WWE -wish- Lesnar could be their poster boy, except Lesnar doesn't give enough fucks to want to do it.

Why do you think they're giving him the belt? Why do you think they let him beat a streak that took 20 years to make? Because the guy draws. How dense can some people be?

 

[Hard Hit Prince]

I enjoyed the main event, not for the stupid ass reason of hating John Cena or loving Brock Lesnar. More so of really enjoying storytelling in wrestling and that match was unique in a way that we've never seen it. John Cena being squashed is a big deal and a smart decision as far as booking goes, because it gives us something different to expect in the future - in this case an humiliated former world champion, and not any kind of champion, but the undisputed babyface and representative of the company. On the other hand, you have a massive heel who is in fact "the real deal" and not a fluke champion or whatever. Whomever beats him, will create a great moment for the 2014 year or the 2015, and it doesn't matter who does it, if it's Cena in his look for Payback or if it's Roman Reigns or freaking The Rock... It's a great arc - "The Conqueror dominates WWE".

 

[RobertTheBruce]

I believe this is to set up Ambrose or Rollins as the number one guy. Don't forget, Eddie Guerrero won his first title off Lesnar.

But...

How salivating is the thought of a Wyatt/Lesnar NoC fued?

 

[hollowpoint]

Brock Lesnar is everything that is wrong with the current version of the WWE. It's speaks volumes to the fact that the WWE is lacking star power and upper echelon talent. Lesnar is a part time wrestler at best and he's a HUGE draw from the company, so they give him the title and now what? I don't know the direction they are trying to go, nor do I care because I will watch either way. I just hope they don't bury the WWE Championship like it seems like they are willing to do for the sake of making money for the company.

 

[Mustang Sally]

I feel Sally's pain. Lesnar will probably hold the title until Mania where he will probably defend said title maybe twice along the way, showing up on RAW once every blue moon, with Heyman having to remind us every week that he still exists.

That's the point. I have no problem with Cena losing; it especially flies in the face of people on this forum who say he never loses cleanly to anyone.

Whether I have a problem with Brock winning depends on what they're going to do with him now. It's going to take a masterpiece of innovation by Creative to make it work.

Is Brock going to be around as seldom as before? It didn't bother me previously, but now he's the world champion. Are they going to have Paul Heyman running around, trying to convince us Brock is standing in the back, just waiting to come out and clean someone's clock? Is Brock going to do more filmed sequences in which we see him on the arena screen, telling us he doesn't give a shit what we think?

Maybe the whole "Brock as champion" thing is going to be great. Honestly, I'd love to see the writers find a way to bring it off.

As it is, though, I wasn't disappointed in the result of last night's main event.....it was the match itself I didn't enjoy......although I'm willing to be carried off by what follows, if they can find a way to do it.

 

[dob111283]

It doesn't matter how many times a year Lesnar wrestles. When he wrestles he's the biggest draw they have. If you think other wise you're out of your fucking mind.

No offense but you have to be dumb as all hell to claim Lesnar is WWE's biggest draw. Even if I ask you to prove it by finding the numbers, you won't be able to because they don't exist. Lesnar's current psuedo popularity has less to do with him and more to do with a lack of talent in the upper cards. Lesnar himself has been a shell of himself since going to the UFC. You want to talk popularity, that's when he was at his peak. Nobody cares about seeing a bloated he-man work 5 shows a year and if you think they do, you obviously haven't been paying attention.

Cena's character does need an overhaul but like it or not, he's still the face of the WWE.

 

[THTRobtaylor]

Of course Cena isn't going to be "the face of the company"... they pretty much screamed that you by him giving Flair the belt and saying "Keep It..." he meant the record folks..

Cena knows his time as "the champ" is done and he is entering the downward phase of his career, he is taking more movies and will no doubt take some time off to sell the beating he got tonight, lest it makes it worthless.

This is also about more than just Brock and the Streak... this is the payoff for Brock for those jobs he did at the start which were to "test his loyalty/resolve". The negotiations were probably..."You come in, you do some jobs to show you're serious...when the time is right we go back to the "old" Brock, the moster, once we know we can trust you". He did all his contractual obligations, no trouble so now WWE give him his reward, a run with the title where he will be teflon/undefeatable... sure he'll lose to someone, likely Reigns but he'll make more money from his sponsors in this short period of time than he has during his whole 2nd WWE career.

The match itself was about right... it was a lot of "showboating" but Brock was THAT dominant he could, just as he could take out Taker the way he did... It's finally some logical booking and Super Cena has hopefully now met his Doomsday, let's just hope he stays dead...

 

[dob111283]

So you're totally cool with a guy who has dedicated 99.99% of his time to WWE, stepping down. But you want a guy who works 3 shows a year and draws questionable ratings, to be the face of the WWE? Seems to be you don't understand how businesses operate. You'd have a point if instead of Brock you said "Rock" or "Stone Cold", guys who have proven to shoot ratings through the roof? Brock comes in, does no more than he needs to, then leaves. Heyman is the only reason Brock has a 2nd chance in the WWE.

 

[hollowpoint]

No offense but you have to be dumb as all hell to claim Lesnar is WWE's biggest draw. Even if I ask you to prove it by finding the numbers, you won't be able to because they don't exist. Lesnar's current psuedo popularity has less to do with him and more to do with a lack of talent in the upper cards. Lesnar himself has been a shell of himself since going to the UFC. You want to talk popularity, that's when he was at his peak. Nobody cares about seeing a bloated he-man work 5 shows a year and if you think they do, you obviously haven't been paying attention.

Cena's character does need an overhaul but like it or not, he's still the face of the WWE.

I disagree with you slightly. Brock Lesnar is a HUGE draw for the company, but it IS because of the lack of upper card or main event stars (which is why I only slightly disagree). it's the same reason that the Rock's return was so Big and why he was able to come in and not only put himself in a championship match, but actually win the title. Lesnar is gonna fizzle out like he is known to do, but he's like a shooting star; while he's around, everyone is tuned in wondering what will happen next. Sad but true.

 

[A11oftheLights]

No offense but you have to be dumb as all hell to claim Lesnar is WWE's biggest draw. Even if I ask you to prove it by finding the numbers, you won't be able to because they don't exist. Lesnar's current psuedo popularity has less to do with him and more to do with a lack of talent in the upper cards. Lesnar himself has been a shell of himself since going to the UFC. You want to talk popularity, that's when he was at his peak. Nobody cares about seeing a bloated he-man work 5 shows a year and if you think they do, you obviously haven't been paying attention.

Cena's character does need an overhaul but like it or not, he's still the face of the WWE.

I disagree that the character needs an overhaul

BUT...

Spoiler

and its be said a million times before and i dont really wanna beat a dead horse

If Cena was to finally turn heel, its gotta be now its so easy to write and they're pushing reigns. If it was for cena's charity work it would definitely be happening now

 

[dob111283]

I disagree with you slightly. Brock Lesnar is a HUGE draw for the company, but it IS because of the lack of upper card or main event stars (which is why I only slightly disagree). it's the same reason that the Rock's return was so Big and why he was able to come in and not only put himself in a championship match, but actually win the title. Lesnar is gonna fizzle out like he is known to do, but he's like a shooting star; while he's around, everyone is tuned in wondering what will happen next. Sad but true.

I would like for someone here to post ratings numbers and draw ANY kind of correlation/causation between spike in numbers and Lesnar's appearances. If you're going to tell me that Lesnar causes a small spike just because of his scarcity at WWE, then I'd be inclined to agree with you. But that's as far as it gets.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Didn't watch last night but I am surprised to read all the feedback about Brock's dominance. Well, more that Cena was dominated. I don't know what it all means but it makes me a little bit more interested in Raw. Brock is rumored to be billed for Night of Champions. The Network is trying to get folks to re up for The Network and not wait until WM to sign up again. Is Cena's rematch the draw they want? Seems hard to believe of they had him get beaten down so bad last night. But then again there is always the redemption angle and title record. Maybe that is the storyline they will want to use to bring back their original subscribers and new UK audience. Or maybe Cena goes away, but how? Does someone interfere and start a new feud for him? Does WWE expect us to forget he gets a rematch like they have with Orton? There is no way they give it to him on cable TV and waste a scarce Lesnar match. Isn't it? Or does Cena take a break and make movies? That would surprise me to hear that he is taking a break now that Nikki is getting some real screen time but I don't know their relationship. So if Cena is out does that mean Reigns gets the spot? If not him, who?

My guess would be that Brock shows up twice before NOC and Cena gets the NOC rematch. They run a full redemption angle like Cena/Rock II with Cena doubting himself one week then believing in himself another. Maybe he gets Flair to mentor him in a whole elaborate brilliant storyline. Just kidding about the last part, whatever happens will just be one big lazy story with a stupid MiTB cash in that leads to nothing more than one big wasted moment. Which you can live for $9.99.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

To some degree, I agree with and understand what's Sally's saying. As I mentioned in the Lesnar as champ thread, it did get a little dull watching Lesnar suplex Cena into oblivion. You could hear a small handful of fans trying to start a boring chant late in the match last night, but the rest of the crowd simply didn't get into it.

While not the main event that was jam packed with action like we were expecting, the match was still highly effective in my opinion. Fans were cheering throughout the match, the vast majority it seemed anyhow, and it had a much different atmosphere than Taker vs. Lesnar. Nobody expected Lesnar to beat Taker which, coupled with Taker's obvious poor physical conditioning, made the match pretty dull and the crowd was sitting on its hands. Last night, I got the impression that most people were excited partially due to the likelihood of Lesnar beating Cena but they were kept in anticipation as to when Cena would ultimately just "turn it on", kick it into high gear and really give Lesnar a rough time.

When you factor all that in with the unexpected shock and unprecedented novelty of Lesnar getting such a decisive and dominant victory over Cena, you have a very memorable match just as with Lesnar ending the streak.

 

[Diet Soda]

I found the match to be quite a spectacle.

An F-5 less than a minute in. Brock's 16 German suplexes. Cena getting only two wrestling moves and a few strikes in the whole match. Even when Cena was a cut-and-paste jobber 12 years he didn't get his ass handed to him that badly.

And even if Brock only appears to defend the title infrequently, the moment when that belt is taken from him, by whomever it may be, will be all the more sweet. That's how you put legitimacy and prestige in your top championship prize; make it a mountain climb to achieve it.

 

[Kidpolean]

Who the hell cares about how much Brock draws? Why does this matter to fans? Brock is a bigger force and more interesting than damn near the entire roster and that is why he has the belts. Its not Brocks fault that the roster is terrible. Heyman-Brock combo is the best thing going in WWE right now. Cena has nobody left to wrestle, Reigns isnt even close to ready, Rollins will never be at the top, DB is hurt, Punk is gone, Ambrose hahaha, Cesaro same as Ambrose, and everybody else worth a damn are heels. WWE really only has Cena, Brock, and maybe Orton to work with.

The roster is terrible because of US, the fans. At some point, we made it not only ok but great if a wrestler was completely one dimensional. ROH, IWC, and hardcore fans are ruining Pro wrestling by promoting and backing wrestlers that can't talk or carry feuds. So WWE either has to try to build a wrestler from scratch or sign an internet darling that knows 9000 wrestling moves but can't do anything else and has no personality. We need to start booing these bland, no personality, can't talk on the mic guys instead of cheering for them or the roster will continue to go downhill.

 

[Jonyboyuk2]

I think this was a very VERY impressive main event for SummerSlam. 12 years after Lesnar destroyed the Rock; Cena put Lesnar over properly.

The main event scene needed something like this to happen for over 10 years now.

What WWE should do next is build the Intercontinental title and the Tag Team division. The WWE title will be kept off the screen for a while with Lesnar being the unstoppable monster he is.

When Lesnar is toppled; whoever it is that topples him will be the next big star. As for Cena; brilliant performance from him; no Super-Cena here and with this loss he has added a vulnerability to his aura. What Cena needs to do now is step back himself for a a while and maybe even cut a promo saying something like "10 long years here in the WWE; I have faced them all; I have taken every single last one of the top stars on; HHH, HBK, Ric Flair, The Rock, Randy Orton, Kane, Edge, CM Punk, Chris Jericho, Batista.. none of them could handle me... but now.. after all those battles; serious injuries to my neck, arm, eye... I'm beat up. I take nothing from Lesnar; he whooped me... but I need to go and rest up." and leave for a while (the absence would do his character good too).

It would give more space to up and comers like the Shield and Wyatts. Maybe come back at the Royal Rumble.

It will definately add something to his character (like the Holy one) said. This could be the foundation maybe for a heel turn in a year or two.

 

[Bernkastel]

It doesn't matter how many times a year Lesnar wrestles. When he wrestles he's the biggest draw they have. If you think other wise you're out of your fucking mind.

No, he's really not. Obviously you have no fucking clue what it meas to "draw."

Lesnars current title reign will always be remembered, just like The Rock's recent transitional title reign will always be remembered.

Funny, I don't remember Rock's reign at all. He held it for a month then dropped it. I remember his match with Cena, but not the "reign" itself. And it will be the same with Lesnar. People will remember how he won the title and how he lost the title, but not the actual reign... unless of course he becomes a full time worker, defenses the title at each PPV, and appears on TV regularly even if he doesn't wrestle... but we both know that isn't going to happen. He's a transitional champion.

Lastly, most of Lesnar's stuff from a decade ago is irrelevant? Okay, now your bias is really showing.

Aside from his matches with Kurt Angle, Rock, Hogan, Big Show, and Goldberg name me another feud of his that sticks out? Name me one of his title reigns that was "significant."

Fun fact: did you know that Lesnar in 2003 wasn't that big of a draw either?

Is Lesnar going to be the face of the company? No.

Right

He's still the biggest draw they have.

Wrong. WWE will make no more or less money with Lesnar present or gone. He won't work enough to draw any decent number of gates, and WWE itself draws on their name value.

WWE -wish- Lesnar could be their poster boy, except Lesnar doesn't give enough fucks to want to do it.

Exactly. He's a part time worker with no love for the business. That's why he's going to be a transitional champ who's only job will be to but over the next guy.

Why do you think they're giving him the belt?

See above.

Why do you think they let him beat a streak that took 20 years to make?

So he could be seen as a credible threat against the biggest star in company who he lost to in 2012

Because the guy draws.

Look up what it means to be a draw in pro wrestling. Brock isn't one. He was a draw in UFC, but not WWE.

Here are some examples...

Hogan = draw
Austin = draw
Rock = draw
Cena = draw
WWE = drawing brand
Brock = not draw because WWE is a drawing brand

How dense can some people be?

Speak for yourself

 

[MrMojoRisin]

But it was still a disappointing main event. I figured the company was dying to give Brock the world title but hoped that Cena would defend it with a noble effort. Brock was so dominating that I was thinking Cena might turn the tables in the end....because, what's the sense of John Cena being controlled like that? WWE Creative had better have something great in mind, in view of this development.

Still, all the down time in the match left me cold; Brock spent so much time standing and gloating when he could have been applying more punishment that the whole thing became tedious after about 10 minutes.

Okay, so it's now all about the game plan with Brock as champion. Is he actually going to be around more than before......or is Paul Heyman going to have to do triple duty to keep Brock in our minds and make us forget that he's still just a 3-appearance/year mercenary?

At any rate, I wouldn't be looking forward to a world title defense at next month's PPV.

Disappointed in this one.

I haven't seen it yet, and while I've never been the biggest Cena fan, I've gotta give him mad respect for what I heard happened last night.

The guy allowed himself to be completely JOBBED out for the WHC in the main event of the second biggest show of the year. How many guys at Cena's level would allow themselves to be dominated so thoroughly?

Gotta give respect for that, and it makes a guy like me... a former hardcore viewer turned casual observer, want to see what they're going to do next.

 

[mazoocrew25]

Cena had been posting quotes from the Dark Knight before Summerslam and what you saw was a take on the Dark Knight Rises. Bane (Lesnar) breaks The Bat (Cena). Just like in the movie the monster shows up and dominates the hero. Wouldn't shock me in the least if Cena rises up and takes out Lesnar down the line to end Brock's run in WWE.

 

[Pedigree1]

As a Cena Fan,i just got done watching summerslam this morning having worked last night..As a Cena Fan,it was very disturbing to see him absolutely dominated the way he was..

He almost looked like he was deathly terrified of Lesnar and I have never seen Cena look like that.. The ME was not what i expected not disappointing but not the way i thought it would turn out.. The amount of German Suplexe's Cena received,(I quit counting after 8 or so) definitely took him out of the game all together.

This might be the necessary tweak of character for Cena not saying he will go heel,but in order for him to take back his WWE WHC,he has to become the monster even more so than Lesnar... Lesnar is an interesting case.

Does he not appear on TV for a bit? He is at least going to make it to NOC but does he hold the title until WM31? The champ appearing once in awhile was a big deal back in the day.. I agree that some folks say,the title shouldn't be defended on every single PPV make it a special occasion.

Cena though needs a character tweak not a complete turn but tweak it a bit.. I think tonight we begin to see it IMO

 

[Mudlup50]

Was the match that bad? Remember the promos Cena cut before SummerSlam "I'm gonna get my ass kicked" I specifically remember him predicting this. He got his ass kicked, Lesnar needed to look dominant. Granted...a squash for a main event isn't a great idea but it did what it needed to. Lesnar killed a dead man and now killed a super hero. Who can stop him? That's what we needed! Who cares if he's a draw or not?! He doesn't need to draw, WWE is booking him like a supervillain and we need this right now. A dominant Lesnar, a Cena out of the title hunt for a year/maybe more? I doubt a heel turn is being planned, I think this was strictly about making Lesnar look as dominant as possible. I doubt Cena can take the title back at NoC now too. Before I debated if they'd do it, but now it seems obvious that they're booking Lesnar strongly.

 

[Redemption-2012]

Well I am a Cena mark but I like Lesnar being Champion. The match was stupid but it is what it is I suppose.

 

[BuriedByCena]

Why are half of you claiming Brock is NOT a draw for WWE? You are WRONG!

He is the ONLY reason I watched SummerSlam last night. I skip every WWE PPV unless they have a match worth watching which sadly has only been at Wrestlemania the last 10 years pretty much.

I will be skipping every PPV unless a great match is booked with someone like Rock, Brock, Batista, Undertaker calibur etc. Sorry, but 95% of the current roster is terrible.

Sure I like Ziggler, but I am not going to pay $50 a PPV or $9.99 per month to see him.

 

[Bythedockofthebay]

No, he's really not. Obviously you have no fucking clue what it meas to "draw."

Brock is arguably the biggest draw in UFC history. It's hard to say he isn't a draw at all, numbers do improve, people want to see him. Now whether he's a huge draw is debatable but he's a draw none the less. He's covered by Espn, and TMZ. Brock's fame doesn't depend on the WWE, no matter what he's done his name has been news since he was in college. Not something easy to do. So Yeah I'd say he's a draw.

Funny, I don't remember Rock's reign at all. He held it for a month then dropped it. I remember his match with Cena, but not the "reign" itself. And it will be the same with Lesnar. People will remember how he won the title and how he lost the title, but not the actual reign... unless of course he becomes a full time worker, defenses the title at each PPV, and appears on TV regularly even if he doesn't wrestle... but we both know that isn't going to happen. He's a transitional champion.

Yeah and that's a good thing, I don't know how that's supposed to be bad.

Aside from his matches with Kurt Angle, Rock, Hogan, Big Show, and Goldberg name me another feud of his that sticks out? Name me one of his title reigns that was "significant."

LMFAO, that's the dumbest thing I've ever read in my life. You just put up his biggest rivals into one section, and said besides these guys who he spent most of the four years he was in WWE feuding with, name me another feud that sticks out. And you even though you mentioned the people he feuded with most it's still easy to answer. Okay, Taker vs Lesnar, Gowen vs Lesnar, Lesnar vs Cena. The set of matches with Taker, including Hell in Cell, nobody remembers any of that. Him tossing Gowen off the ring post, throwing him down the stairs, beating the holy hell out of him, and Cena first championship matches and such. Yep all just easily forgettable.

Wrong. WWE will make no more or less money with Lesnar present or gone. He won't work enough to draw any decent number of gates, and WWE itself draws on their name value.



Exactly. He's a part time worker with no love for the business. That's why he's going to be a transitional champ who's only job will be to but over the next guy.

I wouldn't say Brock doesn't love the business. Honestly, I never thought that. Brock hates being away from his family, and doesn't like the travel. I don't think it's about the business itself, I think it's the LA to ny, to overseas bullshit that bugs Brock. He clearly enjoyed alot of his run the first time he was in WWE.

So he could be seen as a credible threat against the biggest star in company who he lost to in 2012

That's the dumbest reason to end the streak like ever. Brock was already a credible threat, he beat cena half to death in their first match. Beating Taker didn't make Brock credible, it made him unbeatable atm.

Look up what it means to be a draw in pro wrestling. Brock isn't one. He was a draw in UFC, but not WWE.

Here are some examples...

Hogan = draw
Austin = draw
Rock = draw
Cena = draw
WWE = drawing brand
Brock = not draw because WWE is a drawing brand

I don't know if I agree with that. Does Brock move the needle as much as those guys? No but he does move the needle now. I think summerslam will show that. I think WM 31 will show that.