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Ask Shocky
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Well you know I mark the hell out for Benoit, so how could I not mark out for Billington. My only problem is, I've only seen a limited number of his japanese matches, because watching matches on Youtube loses my interest. No denying the man's work rate and in ring ability. More Dynamite impersonators are fine by me. Look at all the guys that man has influenced. Hell, the whole Stampede Wrestling Crew that invaded the WWF did nothing but praise the hell out of this guy.
Now, as far as ever though, I'm starting to gain an appreciation for the old shooter wrestling pre-WW2 and such. Sure, the matches would probably be a bore to sit through, but I like the concept of realism in it, especially old School NWA Champions. They were the champions of a fake sport, but they had the ability to shoot on someone if they tried to pull any shit in the ring. Lou Thesz pops to mine on that one.
Billington best of the modern era, agreed good sir.
Now, as far as ever though, I'm starting to gain an appreciation for the old shooter wrestling pre-WW2 and such. Sure, the matches would probably be a bore to sit through, but I like the concept of realism in it, especially old School NWA Champions. They were the champions of a fake sport, but they had the ability to shoot on someone if they tried to pull any shit in the ring. Lou Thesz pops to mine on that one.
Billington best of the modern era, agreed good sir.
You bet. People can't appreciate how great this guy is, because it's not cool by IWC standards. The guy is so bad it's good. The Best Khali moment for me, dominating everyone in the Royal Rumble. Everyone is lying on the mat, Khali kind of stands there. Shawn Michaels, who is lying "unconscious" can clearly be heard yelling, "Pose for the Camera," Khali lifts hands with back to the camera, "Turn Around". Oh, so priceless.
Besides, if anyone honestly expects a 7 foot plus, 400 pound plus man to be an incredible athlete in a ring, you're dumb. He is a monster, there to fill a role, quit your bitching, you watch a fake sport.
Besides, if anyone honestly expects a 7 foot plus, 400 pound plus man to be an incredible athlete in a ring, you're dumb. He is a monster, there to fill a role, quit your bitching, you watch a fake sport.
I honestly don't get the whole hatred for Cena. He's a WWE main event wrestler. Outside of 2002-2004, that means you are a "five-move" wrestler. Sure there have been guys with a shit load of talent, but the WWE dumb downs and simplifies there moveset. The WWE Fans aren't wrestling fans, they are entertainment fans. They don't care about 50,000 variations of an arm bar, 40 types of suplexes, and 3000 types of submission holds. I enjoy that, but the casual viewer just wants to see two guys beat the crap out of each other, Cena fills that role.
Bret Hart is a prime example of what I am trying to say. You've seen one Bret Hart match, you've probably seen them all, but does anyone deny Bret Hart's in ring ability, hell no. With Bret, you knew you were going to get the middle rope forearm drop, sharpshooter, etc., but this was his moveset.
John Cena has a moveset, but it's much more basic. Punch, Kick, Firemans Carry, five knuckle shuffle, the basics, but again, this is the WWE we are talking about. If you want to watch technical, athletic wrestling, find ROH. If you want to watch sport's entertainment, watch the WWE. Any long time fan should know this by now.
On a side note, this injury sucks for Cena. I really thought the last few weeks he was becoming very enjoyable to watch. He was headed to that "tweener" status, which he has needed for a long time. His last promo, I thought I was watching a Rock promo. The guy is getting better I feel.
John Cena is an ideal champion. The guy bust his ass, keeps his nose clean, and has a ton of respect for the business. It's the booking of John Cena that is the problem, no one likes a dynasty in sports, and no one wants year long title reigns. Since when did the WWE title need a year long title reign? I didn't realize that belt had lost that much credibility that it needed a year long plus title reign. Outside of JBL, that belt has been held by worthy title holders for a long time now. If you want to restore credibility to a World title by having long title reigns, how about a year long Edge WHC or CM Punk/ECW title reign, the WWE title didn't need it.
And one final thing, the people that bitch about Cena, but are crying for an Orton title reign, will be the same people bitching in 6 months about Orton needing to drop the title.
Bret Hart is a prime example of what I am trying to say. You've seen one Bret Hart match, you've probably seen them all, but does anyone deny Bret Hart's in ring ability, hell no. With Bret, you knew you were going to get the middle rope forearm drop, sharpshooter, etc., but this was his moveset.
John Cena has a moveset, but it's much more basic. Punch, Kick, Firemans Carry, five knuckle shuffle, the basics, but again, this is the WWE we are talking about. If you want to watch technical, athletic wrestling, find ROH. If you want to watch sport's entertainment, watch the WWE. Any long time fan should know this by now.
On a side note, this injury sucks for Cena. I really thought the last few weeks he was becoming very enjoyable to watch. He was headed to that "tweener" status, which he has needed for a long time. His last promo, I thought I was watching a Rock promo. The guy is getting better I feel.
John Cena is an ideal champion. The guy bust his ass, keeps his nose clean, and has a ton of respect for the business. It's the booking of John Cena that is the problem, no one likes a dynasty in sports, and no one wants year long title reigns. Since when did the WWE title need a year long title reign? I didn't realize that belt had lost that much credibility that it needed a year long plus title reign. Outside of JBL, that belt has been held by worthy title holders for a long time now. If you want to restore credibility to a World title by having long title reigns, how about a year long Edge WHC or CM Punk/ECW title reign, the WWE title didn't need it.
And one final thing, the people that bitch about Cena, but are crying for an Orton title reign, will be the same people bitching in 6 months about Orton needing to drop the title.
And one final thing, the people that bitch about Cena, but are crying for an Orton title reign, will be the same people bitching in 6 months about Orton needing to drop the title.
First of all, Orton will probably not even get the title, That will be the oh so wonderful Triple H. Even if he was to actually win the title, There's no way in hell he would get 6 month reign with Trips around, So people bitching and moaning about Ortons run is out the window, If anyone gets a 6-10 month reign it's going to be Triple H's 11th.
Speaking of Triple H, Your opinions?
MVP: Great Athlete, appears to be a guy that really has that intangible "it".
While I thought he was a lot of hype and no substance when he first came in, I have done a complete 180 on the guy. As most know, the Chris Benoit feud just really lit a spark in this guy that hasn't gone out yet. This is why it sucks so bad that a guy like Benoit doesn't exist in that locker room to bring stuff out of young guys.
MVP, mic skills are wonderful. I loved at summerslam he comes out during the Diva battle royal finale and just completely buries Beth Phoenix's win with "No one paid to see that, they paid to see MVP." Awesome and true.
MVP has everything it needs to be a World champion, and I can't imagine this guy not getting main event status before Wrestlemania 25. I would love to see him hold onto the US title for a year or so.
The only problem I have would be the finisher. The Playmaker is sweet as hell, but sometimes he's really sloppy with it. Something nice and fluid looking would be perfect for him. I understand originality, but so much of that finisher depends upon the opponent making it look good.
While I thought he was a lot of hype and no substance when he first came in, I have done a complete 180 on the guy. As most know, the Chris Benoit feud just really lit a spark in this guy that hasn't gone out yet. This is why it sucks so bad that a guy like Benoit doesn't exist in that locker room to bring stuff out of young guys.
MVP, mic skills are wonderful. I loved at summerslam he comes out during the Diva battle royal finale and just completely buries Beth Phoenix's win with "No one paid to see that, they paid to see MVP." Awesome and true.
MVP has everything it needs to be a World champion, and I can't imagine this guy not getting main event status before Wrestlemania 25. I would love to see him hold onto the US title for a year or so.
The only problem I have would be the finisher. The Playmaker is sweet as hell, but sometimes he's really sloppy with it. Something nice and fluid looking would be perfect for him. I understand originality, but so much of that finisher depends upon the opponent making it look good.
Triple H, i'm on the fence about. It's like Hogan, Nash, or anyone with creative power backstage, you just don't know how legit a lot of his success is.
As far as pre-2001 surgery, the man was solid in the ring. A lot of my favorite matches from that time period will probably have Triple H on one side of the vs.
Believe me, I've had surgery on both knees, and I know how much different you are after words, so I can't really blame him from toning down his style after his return in 2002.
On the mic, Triple H is damn good. I think I'll have most people in agreement with saying that Triple H as a heel is immensely better then Triple H as a face. Degeneration X V.2006 was horrible. Nothing funny, nothing original, no good matches. It was just garbage. But Triple H as a heel with Evolution. Amazing, especially when he was injured in 2003. He was solid on the mic, would piss people off, but couldn't really wrestle, so no one had the pay off of enjoying him getting his ass kicked every week.
So Triple H the Wrestler: I really really enjoy him. The guy is good in the ring, and you can tell he knows where he is everywhere. The posing non stop as a face is ******ed, but what are you going to do I guess.
Triple H backstage: As a wrestler, I would be upset with this. You hate to have a guy that you are wrestling having all of the stroke. Put yourself in a mid carders shoes, you don't think you would be frustrated by Triple H returning?
As far as pre-2001 surgery, the man was solid in the ring. A lot of my favorite matches from that time period will probably have Triple H on one side of the vs.
Believe me, I've had surgery on both knees, and I know how much different you are after words, so I can't really blame him from toning down his style after his return in 2002.
On the mic, Triple H is damn good. I think I'll have most people in agreement with saying that Triple H as a heel is immensely better then Triple H as a face. Degeneration X V.2006 was horrible. Nothing funny, nothing original, no good matches. It was just garbage. But Triple H as a heel with Evolution. Amazing, especially when he was injured in 2003. He was solid on the mic, would piss people off, but couldn't really wrestle, so no one had the pay off of enjoying him getting his ass kicked every week.
So Triple H the Wrestler: I really really enjoy him. The guy is good in the ring, and you can tell he knows where he is everywhere. The posing non stop as a face is ******ed, but what are you going to do I guess.
Triple H backstage: As a wrestler, I would be upset with this. You hate to have a guy that you are wrestling having all of the stroke. Put yourself in a mid carders shoes, you don't think you would be frustrated by Triple H returning?
Mexican Geek
It's good to be back!
Ok shocky, my turn:
TNA: The good, the bad or the ugly? and general thoughts of its future as a real competition to WWE in all aspects.
TNA: The good, the bad or the ugly? and general thoughts of its future as a real competition to WWE in all aspects.
Shadowmancer
I am The Last Baron
BEst Underachiever in the History of the WWE. This is going right back to the Capitol Wrestling Days.
Alrighty, I'll get back to answering questions tomorrow. I like this thread, and you can ask me stuff outside of wrestling, I don't care.
Shadow, you're question, Best Underachiever as in guy that had the most talent, but didn't do anything, or underdog character, or guy with a ton of talent that was buried?
Shadow, you're question, Best Underachiever as in guy that had the most talent, but didn't do anything, or underdog character, or guy with a ton of talent that was buried?
Shadowmancer
I am The Last Baron
The first and the last one.
TNA:
The Good: A roster that is absolutely full of talent and big names. It's a good combination, and quite frankly, a combination you have to have in the business.
I still feel the X-Division is unique enough to be very proud of. The tag division, while not as good as it once was, is still much better then both of the tag divisions up north.
The Main Event scene is stacked in my opinion. Kurt Angle is amazing, Sting still draws and performs. Samoa Joe, always going to get solid performances out of him. Christian Cage, best on the mic in the business today. AJ Styles, while a lacky, if you deny his athleticism and in ring talent, you don't know wrestling. Rhino, one of the best in my opinion. And this doesn't even include Jeff Jarrett, who I feel is criminally under rated by the IWC.
Abyss. I really love Abyss. His matches have evolved from one dimensional, tunnel vision bull crap, to pretty well thought out, story driven matches. Abyss is easily my most improved TNA wrestler of the year.
Homicide, Lethal, Sabin, Daniels, all are amazing in the ring, and a good solid foundation to "Re-Boot" the X-Division.
The Bad: Paparazzi Productions. It was amusing at first, and I understand it was a way to keep the X-Division guys in the spotlight, but it's time to drop it and anything that came from it. Put the emphasis back on the athlete, not on tired old Gimmicks from the 80's. I understand the mainstream reasons of attaching the X-Division guys to a name like Nash, but now you have more TV time to develop the X-Division, they don't need this anymore.
Aging Superstars: I like the name sake of a Dudley Boys vs. Steiner Brothers, but these feuds can't go on for months at a time. You have to help build up younger guys. These guys are brought in for name recognition, and should never be the focal point of a division, outside of a one match deal.
Knockouts: Really, does TNA have enough valuable women's wrestlers to establish a credible title? I don't think so. I understand they want to do it, and they are essentially become WWE Lite, but i don't want this to lead to "Knockout Searches" or garbage like that. IF Tna does what the WWE hasn't been able to do, and that is focus on the in ring ability instead of on screen look, then this could move up to the good.
The Ugly: It's a cheap cop out, but Don West. The man is horrible, and in five years of doing his job, he hasn't gotten any better. He screams, but it's not a funny Joey Styles scream. He's just loud and obnoxious. I have tons of Respect for Mike Tenay, because he really is carrying a double load carrying the dead weight of Don West.
Jeremy Borash: Again, another cop out I know. Not so much JB, but the long winded, worthless stupid introductions to the main event at pay per views really need to go. They slow the pacing of the card to a crawl. JB is not Michael Buffer, and I didn't even like when they did it with Buffer. I hate the two guys standing in the ring, milk the main event as long as you can mentality. Introduce them on the way to the ring.
Indecisiveness surrounding the World title: Can a world champion be beaten cleanly? You have Abyss winning the title on the champ loses a title on a DQ rule. You have Cage dropping the title in controversy to Sting and Angle. Then you have Angle winning a title in a gimmicky ladder match. I want to see a champ get beaten cleanly for a 3 count in the middle of the ring. It ruins the credibility of the belt.
The Fans: Yup, here is my cheap shot. The fans need to chill the fuck out when it comes to TNA. The X-Division will come back, Joe is not a wrestling god, AJ Styles is still around the main event scene, just not the way you want it too. I'm glad I started watching TNA, but I'm also glad I didn't start watching until Cage showed up. This way, I have a clean slate with it. People need to understand, the X-Division and the homegrown talent were pushed aside to make room for big names that Spike TV wanted to have. TNA sucked it up and brought in these guys to get two hours. Its that simple. You will see more time re-dedicated to the X-Division guys.
Think of tna going to 2 hours as a re-boot for the company. TNA finally has it's own belts, the guys are all still there, but it's time to re-establish characters. Give it time, things will pan out. Don't get pissed because Samoa joe didn't win a world title.
The Good: A roster that is absolutely full of talent and big names. It's a good combination, and quite frankly, a combination you have to have in the business.
I still feel the X-Division is unique enough to be very proud of. The tag division, while not as good as it once was, is still much better then both of the tag divisions up north.
The Main Event scene is stacked in my opinion. Kurt Angle is amazing, Sting still draws and performs. Samoa Joe, always going to get solid performances out of him. Christian Cage, best on the mic in the business today. AJ Styles, while a lacky, if you deny his athleticism and in ring talent, you don't know wrestling. Rhino, one of the best in my opinion. And this doesn't even include Jeff Jarrett, who I feel is criminally under rated by the IWC.
Abyss. I really love Abyss. His matches have evolved from one dimensional, tunnel vision bull crap, to pretty well thought out, story driven matches. Abyss is easily my most improved TNA wrestler of the year.
Homicide, Lethal, Sabin, Daniels, all are amazing in the ring, and a good solid foundation to "Re-Boot" the X-Division.
The Bad: Paparazzi Productions. It was amusing at first, and I understand it was a way to keep the X-Division guys in the spotlight, but it's time to drop it and anything that came from it. Put the emphasis back on the athlete, not on tired old Gimmicks from the 80's. I understand the mainstream reasons of attaching the X-Division guys to a name like Nash, but now you have more TV time to develop the X-Division, they don't need this anymore.
Aging Superstars: I like the name sake of a Dudley Boys vs. Steiner Brothers, but these feuds can't go on for months at a time. You have to help build up younger guys. These guys are brought in for name recognition, and should never be the focal point of a division, outside of a one match deal.
Knockouts: Really, does TNA have enough valuable women's wrestlers to establish a credible title? I don't think so. I understand they want to do it, and they are essentially become WWE Lite, but i don't want this to lead to "Knockout Searches" or garbage like that. IF Tna does what the WWE hasn't been able to do, and that is focus on the in ring ability instead of on screen look, then this could move up to the good.
The Ugly: It's a cheap cop out, but Don West. The man is horrible, and in five years of doing his job, he hasn't gotten any better. He screams, but it's not a funny Joey Styles scream. He's just loud and obnoxious. I have tons of Respect for Mike Tenay, because he really is carrying a double load carrying the dead weight of Don West.
Jeremy Borash: Again, another cop out I know. Not so much JB, but the long winded, worthless stupid introductions to the main event at pay per views really need to go. They slow the pacing of the card to a crawl. JB is not Michael Buffer, and I didn't even like when they did it with Buffer. I hate the two guys standing in the ring, milk the main event as long as you can mentality. Introduce them on the way to the ring.
Indecisiveness surrounding the World title: Can a world champion be beaten cleanly? You have Abyss winning the title on the champ loses a title on a DQ rule. You have Cage dropping the title in controversy to Sting and Angle. Then you have Angle winning a title in a gimmicky ladder match. I want to see a champ get beaten cleanly for a 3 count in the middle of the ring. It ruins the credibility of the belt.
The Fans: Yup, here is my cheap shot. The fans need to chill the fuck out when it comes to TNA. The X-Division will come back, Joe is not a wrestling god, AJ Styles is still around the main event scene, just not the way you want it too. I'm glad I started watching TNA, but I'm also glad I didn't start watching until Cage showed up. This way, I have a clean slate with it. People need to understand, the X-Division and the homegrown talent were pushed aside to make room for big names that Spike TV wanted to have. TNA sucked it up and brought in these guys to get two hours. Its that simple. You will see more time re-dedicated to the X-Division guys.
Think of tna going to 2 hours as a re-boot for the company. TNA finally has it's own belts, the guys are all still there, but it's time to re-establish characters. Give it time, things will pan out. Don't get pissed because Samoa joe didn't win a world title.
BEst Underachiever in the History of the WWE. This is going right back to the Capitol Wrestling Days.
Well I'll go with my opinion on wrestlers I remember watching in my lifetime.
5 pop to mind right away.
Ted DiBiase: Maybe one of the best heels in the business, but the WWE didn't use him properly. This guy should have been headlining pay per views as a heel champion. I get Hogan was a draw, but Hogan was bigger then the belt, he didn't need it. DiBiase's character was amazing. The gimmick alone makes people pissed off.
Rowdy Roddy Piper: Hogan himself even said it, if Piper dedicated himself more to the business, he would probably be up there in name value with Flair and Hogan. I agree. Piper was average at best in the ring, but no one, and this includes Austin and Hogan, was able to generate the heat that Piper generated. He was an asshole, that was mega over with the crowd as a heel and a face. If Piper focused more on wrestling then a movie career, who knows where he would be.
Jimmy Superfly Snuka: I scratch my head with this one. How in the hell was Snuka never a world champion? I'm mystified by it. He was over as a number one heel and face in the old WWF. People to this day still know what a superfly splash is. It's insane how much this man has transcended the sport, but really was nothing more in the minds of the office then a glorified mid carder.
Jake the Snake Roberts: This maybe my number one choice right here. This is a guy that just got it in the ring. His in ring psychology will never be matched, and that says a lot considering I mark the hell out for Raven. Talk about a guy that just couldn't get away from his past though. You want to feel sorry for the guy sometimes, but then you remember, it's his life, it's his choices.
Mr. Perfect Curt Hennig. Again, how in the hell was this not an obvious choice for a world title. The guy just had "it", that intangible that makes you a superstar. He was great on a mic, insanely talented in the ring, a pain in the ass to Hulk Hogan.
The number one guy based on pure athletic ability, would be Shelton Benjamin. I just don't understand how a guy that is just so damn good in the ring can't get a push. Ya, I know, he needs to work on the mic skills, but damn he's amazing to watch in the ring.
I have a lot more underachievers, or guys not pushed right. Pillman and Owen come to mind right away. And this isn't even getting into guys that were around before my time. I just answered the question based on first hand experience.
Luther_Hull
Cunt.
Opinions on Big Show?
CM Punk... OVERRATED!!??
Simple Answer: No.
I don't think he is the wrestling god, or the second coming of Christ that the IWC wants him to be, but I think he is an amazing talent in the ring. I haven't scene as much of ROH as I would like to see, but I've seen some matches of his, and i tell you what, I'm impressed.
The Problem with Punk in the WWE is that the WWE simply doesn't allow enough time for the guy. the WWE is basic wrestling that caters to the lowest common denominator as far as "smart" wrestling fans. The WWE caters to the crowd that Cheers the Good Guy, and Boos the Bad Guy. If a good solid technical wrestling match happens to appear in the middle of it, then it's a bonus, not a necessity.
CM Punk can't put on good matches too, because who has he worked with? There have been signs of good matches with him and Elijah Burke, but that's it. John Morrison is horrible, and Big Daddy V, forget about it. This is what sucks about the Benoit situation. Look at what Benoit did for MVP. Could you imagine where CM Punk would be right now if he had a good 3 or 4 month feud with Benoit? It would be amazing.
So I think CM Punk is as good as he will be in the WWE, until he is given more time on pay per view to be something special. The ECW "World" Title, which it shouldn't have that status, is a glorified European title. It's crap and it's meaningless.
CM Punk's Go 2 Sleep is horrendous, he needs a better finisher, or he needs to work on it.
Is Kennedy the new Cena? What I mean is that he's pretty average in the ring, and when he turns face he'll become a complete bore and everyone will hate him.
Remember WM 20. John Cena opened up the show and just absolutely owned that Madison Square Garden crowd. FAst forward, the man is hated.
Kennedy is average in the ring, and quite honestly, he's not that good on a microphone...microphone. He's says his name twice, okay, so he's over why? I haven't seen to much out of Kennedy to be impressed with him, yet, I'm compelled to watch him. He has an intangible that I can't quite put my finger on.
But as far as the comparison to Cena, you bet. As soon as Kennedy goes face, he won't be cool anymore. As soon as he becomes champs, the nose bleed sections of the arenas will begin to yell, Kennedy Sucks. Kennedy and Cena are so eerily similar as far as there rise to fame and the fan interaction. Some want to compare Kennedy to Austin, um no. Austin was a damn good in ring competitor before Owen 3:16. The Kennedy to Cena argument is more accurate.
Opinions on Big Show?
Big Show, I love the Big Show. I don't know if you know who Les Thacher is, but he is a guy that used to run Heartland Wrestling Alliance, about 25 miles north of where I live. Also, he had a radio show on locally back in the late 90's during the Boom. The man is a brilliant mind, but he knocked the Big Show like no other. This was around the time of the Undertaker and Big Show tag teaming in 1999. I called in and had a nice heated on air argument with Les about why the Big Show was a great pick up for the WWE.
The guy is funny, the guy is serious, the guy looks like he could kill you in a second. The Big Show on the microphone is worth listening to. His promos are usually pretty good.
As far as an athlete goes. He's getting older, so of course he's slowing down and putting on weight. He was fun to watch when he debuted in WCW. He wrestles a slower style now, god forbid a big man actually using power moves and having a slow deliberate pace. He must suck because obviously he can't hit a 450 splash, dye his hair rainbow colors, and be a glorified spot monkey.
The IWC hates guys over 6 feet tall. I am not one of those. I think the Big Show serves a purpose. He's a role character. A big strong bad ass monster. You don't piss him off, or you get hurt. The Big Show is a great in my book.
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