Are WWE fighting a losing battle with Reigns as a face champion

[Wald]

First off this isn't an anti-Reigns post, I feel that WWE Creative have really mismanaged the guy's career at a time when he needed them most and that they are the ones that have done damage to his career. Everything that has happened to Roman since he has returned could have been easily masked by a solid Creative plan that didn't involve his return feud being against Big Show, didn't have Daniel Bryan involved in the Royal Rumble and didn't see him hiding for much of the Rumble match. I will give Creative props for somewhat stemming the flow of negativity towards Reigns since then but I will also take that kudos away when seeing how they have had to damage Daniel Bryan to do so.

Anyway that's the past but what about the future? As far back as last April there was a genuine feeling that 2015 would be the year Reigns would be built up to win the title at Wrestlemania and become the new top of the card babyface. I think we can safely assume that those early predictions were bang on the money, even John Cena has been somewhat diminished in his booking in the hopes of Reigns overtaking him. But that was the plan, the reality is that poor booking has left the guy looking very vulnerable heading in to his big moment. The crowd reactions he has been getting are decent but decent doesn't nearly cut it when you're at your Steve Austin at Wrestlemania XIV moment, you need to be white hot and the fans need to be itching to see you capture the gold. At present you could argue that Reigns is perhaps the third or fourth most popular full time babyface on the roster after Cena, Bryan and Orton, though I'm sure Ambrose and Ziggler might disagree with that.

This isn't where Reigns needs to be and I don't think a win over Brock at Mania will rectify that. In fact I think a win and a title run will do more damage in the long term as the fans who are disgruntled with him will get even more annoyed and boo him even louder. He could carry on like that for sure and I know people compare that reaction to what Cena gets but if you listen in it really isn't comparable. Even the Cena haters want to see the guy on the card because they want to take part in booing him, with Reigns I do sense it is more of a 'go away' style heat from them.

I don't see the current situation ever bringing about the intended result of Reigns overtaking the likes of Bryan and Cena anyway. There are a few options on the table open to them at present though. Heyman could screw Brock out of the title and align himself with a new heel champion in Roman Reigns. Rollins could cash in on either Reigns, or even better on Brock, after the Mania match or the next night on Raw and set up a summer chase for the title for Reigns against his old stable mate. All good options and both I think would serve Reigns best in the long term instead of a straight up title victory and run coming out of Mania. What do you reckon?

 

[Mustang Sally]

Heyman could screw Brock out of the title and align himself with a new heel champion in Roman Reigns.

I could see that happening, or some other scenario that would come as a shock, especially if WWE management is worried about the response Reigns receives upon winning the title from Brock.....presuming that's what he's going to do.

Really, the couple of months Roman spent on the sidelines after surgery couldn't have come at a worse time as far as his professional development. He badly needed the time to improve his ring repertoire, from his wrestling to his speaking. That the company decided to go ahead and put him in the world title match at WM31 despite the time off shows how far in advance they base their strategic planning. The OP's idea of having Seth Rollins cash in at the conclusion of the match, either on Brock or Roman, could be a good one, setting up the next few months as Roman's chase for the belt, whether that program includes Brock or not.

Roman Reigns is rapidly improving, imo. Plainly, he's working with people on his wrestling and his overall persona......and it's showing. Whether fans (and the industry) are willing to acknowledge this as time goes on remains to be seen. Personally, I think he's going to make it in the long run.

How he'll be received at WM31 is anyone's guess.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Having Heyman sort of screw over Lesnar by turning on him and siding with Roman Reigns would generate a ton of buzz and automatic interest in Roman Reigns' title win. I don't think it'll happen, but it might be something for WWE officials to consider.

We've all read the reports of Vince possibly wanting Reigns to be the next John Cena, that's all well and good but Reigns isn't remotely ready for that spot in my eyes. In all honesty, I don't know if he'll be ready because charisma, personality and establishing a rapport with fans isn't something that can be forced. While Reigns isn't getting booed out of the building as he was during the Royal Rumble, he doesn't SEEM to be connecting with the older audience members as much. I say "seem" because it's still so early in Reigns' push as a singles wrestler that it's hard to say if fans will warm up to him or not. I'm of the opinion that if they try to take Reigns down the same road with the same sort of formula we've seen with John Cena, i.e. trying to be cute, joking about, etc., I don't see him connecting the way Vince is hoping. I think he'd have a better shot as a tweener closer to the lines of Randy Orton than a straight up, old school babyface like Cena.

If Heyman did turn on Lesnar, thereby turning Roman Reigns heel, Reigns would have a mouthpiece and he strikes me as someone that needs one. Most of Reigns' promos that last more than a minute have revolved around him doing taped, sit down interviews similar to what we've seen with Lesnar. Lesnar himself says very little inside the ring while Heyman does 99.9% of the talking, which might be an arrangement Reigns needs.

Given that a lot of fans are tired of the Cena formula and that there are a lot of doubts as to Reigns being able to effectively get over to the level he needs via said formula, maybe a better option would be for WWE to build Reigns as the next Brock Lesnar? Heyman could be Reigns' mouthpiece while Reigns could be a devastatingly powerful monster heel champion.

 

[CyberPunk]

I do have same fear as you. I don't think Roman is half as bad as some people want to make him seem. If anything, it's his mic work needing work, and since Rumble they've handled that pretty well.

I also agree with Sally that he's improved quite a bit in last couple months; however, the company just has been hellbent on making him a face. His character is not face then don't make him that way. And due to this, they've also ensured that at least the 'smarks' and 'rebels' turn on him. A lot of people see his push undeserved, and the challenge for Reigns is to survive this. Plus getting Cenasque reaction at this point is not good. Cena was very over when he took over as the face. It was after he had a lengthy run, people started turning on him. Plus Cena was way more talented and seasoned when he bece the man in E. Reigns is as unproven as it gets. For him, I don't think win over Lesnar will matter much.

 

[Navi]

They've been fighting a losing battle ever since the Rumble. Sure he's not getting boo'd as much, but he's not nearly as popular as he should be for a main event star at Wrestlemania.

The charm offensive after the Rumble didn't work. The Rock couldn't get the heat off him, Heyman's impassioned speeches didn't work and just the fact that they risked damage to Bryan's career, their most over guy, is enough to see that they want Reigns on top.

The problem is the fans aren't buying it. They don't want to be told who to like and who to cheer for. The fans want to forge their own relationships with the wrestlers, Vince McMahon still doesn't understand that. At the Rumble this year I think he started to get the message loud and clear.

It's not Reigns fault he's in the position he's in, he was put there by Vince, but it is his fault that he can't seem to handle it well. His excuses and apparent pissed off attitude, aren't standing him in good stead. Didn't he say that because we can't wrestle, we can't criticize. Damm right we can and will I might add.

I have no idea how this match is going to go, and I have no idea how his title run will be if he wins. If the fans don't get on board, then it's DOA right from the start. Best thing for everyone, let him win, have Rollins cash in. Simple as. Rollins walks out as champion, and Reigns has the next year to get the fans on his side again.

EDIT: Let me add, that at the Live events that have both Reigns and Bryan in the same one, Bryan is usually headlining like he did in Portland this weekend. Reigns is still plodding along in his nowhere feud with Big Show. Their matches are pre-intermission fodder, and described by fans who attend as not very interesting. Bryan is still getting the biggest pops and putting on much better matches, and he's fighting Kane.

When you're main eventer at Mania is in a second rate match at a Live event, that doesn't bode well. Either it shows that the WWE realizes that Bryan is the draw, in which case you have to wonder why is Reigns even in the main event to begin with.

 

[rmp0012002]

The fans didn't care for him winning the Rumble and Rock couldn't help him so they don't care if he beats Lesnar at Mania. There is zero reason to get behind Reigns by the way he's been booked.

 

[Nick Vibe]

The thing with Reigns is, that we take as a granted that the main event of Wrestlemania must be the most over and interesting storyline. Wrestlemania is there to sell and will sell no matter what. Bryan and his awesome storyline last year set the bar too high for future main event WM storylines. Before that, what did we get? Cena vs Rock, Cena vs Rock, Miz vs Cena. These don't come nearly as good and interesting as was Bryan's story and caliber.

I can't seem to understand one thing though. As Navi pointed out, in house shows, when you want your venue to be as sold out as possible, Reigns is in mid card matches with Big Show. On one hand Lesnar isn't there of course, but remember, Bryan also is fighting Kane (same thing as Big Show) and he is the reason these shows have the majority of the attendance. Also, the build up to WM for the main event is dreadful at this point. You have Brock and Paul running you and your family down and you do nothing about it? Lesnar is hardly ever there live and when he is, you decide not to have them face-off? Things like that don't do them any favors.

For me personally, Reigns is damaged beyond repair. I feel I just can't like him as a babyface no matter what. Maybe they'll prove me wrong but I doubt that. The key here is how well he sells merchandise. Of course he is nowhere near Cena but can he approach him? If he can't, he will turn between now and next year's Mania. If he somehow, with the way he acts, manages to sell too, then we are doomed.

 

[Aquaman6686]

WWE is in a lose-lose situation here. Even if Heyman turns on Lesnar and helps Reigns win...so what? Heyman ALWAYS turns on his clients and screws them over eventually. The only thing more overdone is Big Show turning heel and face every few weeks. It would be completely meaningless. I don't see any way WWE has to get out of this corner they've written themselves into. Roman Reigns is only popular with women and children, and Brock Lesnar's limited draw due to being back from UFC has long since faded. WrestleMania will still draw huge because it's WrestleMania. But afterwards? WWE is in for some big losses in revenue. Roman Reigns doesn't draw. He's nowhere near ready to be in this position.

 

[Navi]

WWE is in a lose-lose situation here. Even if Heyman turns on Lesnar and helps Reigns win...so what? Heyman ALWAYS turns on his clients and screws them over eventually. The only thing more overdone is Big Show turning heel and face every few weeks. It would be completely meaningless. I don't see any way WWE has to get out of this corner they've written themselves into. Roman Reigns is only popular with women and children, and Brock Lesnar's limited draw due to being back from UFC has long since faded. WrestleMania will still draw huge because it's WrestleMania. But afterwards? WWE is in for some big losses in revenue. Roman Reigns doesn't draw. He's nowhere near ready to be in this position.

And that's the reason why they have to have Rollins cash in. Rollins is hated so it'a a perfect situation for him. More heat the bigger the heel his is. And it might get some fans on Reigns side. It's the only way out of Mania with a positive.

 

[kadroan]

First off this isn't an anti-Reigns post, I feel that WWE Creative have really mismanaged the guy's career at a time when he needed them most and that they are the ones that have done damage to his career. Everything that has happened to Roman since he has returned could have been easily masked by a solid Creative plan that didn't involve his return feud being against Big Show, didn't have Daniel Bryan involved in the Royal Rumble and didn't see him hiding for much of the Rumble match. I will give Creative props for somewhat stemming the flow of negativity towards Reigns since then but I will also take that kudos away when seeing how they have had to damage Daniel Bryan to do so.

Anyway that's the past but what about the future? As far back as last April there was a genuine feeling that 2015 would be the year Reigns would be built up to win the title at Wrestlemania and become the new top of the card babyface. I think we can safely assume that those early predictions were bang on the money, even John Cena has been somewhat diminished in his booking in the hopes of Reigns overtaking him. But that was the plan, the reality is that poor booking has left the guy looking very vulnerable heading in to his big moment. The crowd reactions he has been getting are decent but decent doesn't nearly cut it when you're at your Steve Austin at Wrestlemania XIV moment, you need to be white hot and the fans need to be itching to see you capture the gold. At present you could argue that Reigns is perhaps the third or fourth most popular full time babyface on the roster after Cena, Bryan and Orton, though I'm sure Ambrose and Ziggler might disagree with that.

This isn't where Reigns needs to be and I don't think a win over Brock at Mania will rectify that. In fact I think a win and a title run will do more damage in the long term as the fans who are disgruntled with him will get even more annoyed and boo him even louder. He could carry on like that for sure and I know people compare that reaction to what Cena gets but if you listen in it really isn't comparable. Even the Cena haters want to see the guy on the card because they want to take part in booing him, with Reigns I do sense it is more of a 'go away' style heat from them.

I don't see the current situation ever bringing about the intended result of Reigns overtaking the likes of Bryan and Cena anyway. There are a few options on the table open to them at present though. Heyman could screw Brock out of the title and align himself with a new heel champion in Roman Reigns. Rollins could cash in on either Reigns, or even better on Brock, after the Mania match or the next night on Raw and set up a summer chase for the title for Reigns against his old stable mate. All good options and both I think would serve Reigns best in the long term instead of a straight up title victory and run coming out of Mania. What do you reckon?

I hear where you coming from. The worst mistake they did by far was having him feud with Show not Rollins when he returned. Fans would have really been behind Reigns. Thankfully the Show/Reigns is over...for now. I got a feeling they will resume it once Reigns becomes champ. I think Reigns will be fine. His matches have gotten better and they don't have him sounding like The Rock anymore. They've actually been working on his character development. I know more about Reigns as a individual now over the past few weeks since the Royal Rumble since he was in The Shield.

I just hope they give Reigns some good opponents like Sheamus but if he has to face Show/Kane, just keep the matches short, dominate them like he's supposed to, not look vunerable against them like Bryan. One thing I can say about Reigns compared to everybody besides maybe Orton, he got the female and kids fanbase on lock. They should appeal to that.

 

[Navi]

Thankfully the Show/Reigns is over...for now. I got a feeling they will resume it once Reigns becomes champ.

One thing I can say about Reigns compared to everybody besides maybe Orton, he got the female and kids fanbase on lock. They should appeal to that.

Actually it isn't over, he's still feuding with Big Show at the Live events, and if you look at the upcoming European Tour, he's on the B show feuding with...you guessed it Big Show. It's like a bad marriage, and doing nothing for Reigns at all.

I don't care to know about him personally. To me he's a wrestler who there to entertain. He did when he was with the Shield, but like I said before he's not that entertaining in the ring now, his shortcomings have been revealed. Yes he looks good, but there is no substance behind the looks. And that's the crying shame of the whole thing. Most would kill for what he has outwardly, but you can only ride that wave for so long.

Yes he does have the female vote locked down, but I can tell you from my own personal experience, we change our minds faster than you can say "Diddly Squat." When the next good looking guy comes along, we'll all be clamouring after him and Reigns will be left in the dust. Let him add about 20-30 pounds his fanbase will desert him so fast it will make his head spin. You can't make him the face of the WWE just based on what we women think. We're the most fickle bunch around.

The kids are Cena and Bryan fans. Go to the shows, there are hundreds of little John Cena's and Daniel Bryan as far as the eye can see. Only the women seem to buy Reigns shirts. I did. LOL

 

[kadroan]

Actually it isn't over, he's still feuding with Big Show at the Live events, and if you look at the upcoming European Tour, he's on the B show feuding with...you guessed it Big Show. It's like a bad marriage, and doing nothing for Reigns at all.

I don't care to know about him personally. To me he's a wrestler who there to entertain. He did when he was with the Shield, but like I said before he's not that entertaining in the ring now, his shortcomings have been revealed. Yes he looks good, but there is no substance behind the looks. And that's the crying shame of the whole thing. Most would kill for what he has outwardly, but you can only ride that wave for so long.

Yes he does have the female vote locked down, but I can tell you from my own personal experience, we change our minds faster than you can say "Diddly Squat." When the next good looking guy comes along, we'll all be clamouring after him and Reigns will be left in the dust. Let him add about 20-30 pounds his fanbase will desert him so fast it will make his head spin. You can't make him the face of the WWE just based on what we women think. We're the most fickle bunch around.

The kids are Cena and Bryan fans. Go to the shows, there are hundreds of little John Cena's and Daniel Bryan as far as the eye can see. Only the women seem to buy Reigns shirts. I did. LOL

Oh no, that's not good. After seeing Brock run through Show at Royal Rumble last year, it's hard to take Show seriously. I could see this was 2012 Show who beat Sheamus but it's not.

Yeah true. Hopefully they a long term plan for Reigns when he becomes champion.

Yeah I've been to shows, kids do love Bryan and Cena but it's good to see Reigns get a reaction. A reaction is better than no reaction.

 

[Navi]

Oh no, that's not good. After seeing Brock run through Show at Royal Rumble last year, it's hard to take Show seriously. I could see this was 2012 Show who beat Sheamus but it's not.

Yeah true. Hopefully they a long term plan for Reigns when he becomes champion.

Yeah I've been to shows, kids do love Bryan and Cena but it's good to see Reigns get a reaction. A reaction is better than no reaction.

I honestly don't think they have a plan for what's going to happen tomorrow, they seem to be flying by the seat of their pants half the time. And I can't see the WWE Champion fighting Big Show over in Europe, I mean at least put him with Rollins, or maybe Sheamus, or Wyatt. He'll be at a loose end. That tells me that maybe he won't be champ I don't know, or as you know they will just change up the matches and move him to the A show.

Yes he does get a reaction, but it's not enough of a reaction to write home about. The fans just aren't buying into what McMahon sees and that's a huge problem. I like Reigns, but I'm scared his career might be damaged because he's been pushed too far and too fast. Sheamus never really recovered from it and Ryback is just making his way back now.

 

[kadroan]

I honestly don't think they have a plan for what's going to happen tomorrow, they seem to be flying by the seat of their pants half the time. And I can't see the WWE Champion fighting Big Show over in Europe, I mean at least put him with Rollins, or maybe Sheamus, or Wyatt. He'll be at a loose end. That tells me that maybe he won't be champ I don't know, or as you know they will just change up the matches and move him to the A show.

Yes he does get a reaction, but it's not enough of a reaction to write home about. The fans just aren't buying into what McMahon sees and that's a huge problem. I like Reigns, but I'm scared his career might be damaged because he's been pushed too far and too fast. Sheamus never really recovered from it and Ryback is just making his way back now.

Yeah it's a risk with Reigns. I rather for them to take a risk than to go with what's been same the past 10 years, making Cena as champ. I can say the good thing about Reigns being champ, it'll make everybody raise their game to look good against him when they face off.

 

[L@RISANO]

First off this isn't an anti-Reigns post, I feel that WWE Creative have really mismanaged the guy's career at a time when he needed them most and that they are the ones that have done damage to his career. Everything that has happened to Roman since he has returned could have been easily masked by a solid Creative plan that didn't involve his return feud being against Big Show, didn't have Daniel Bryan involved in the Royal Rumble and didn't see him hiding for much of the Rumble match. I will give Creative props for somewhat stemming the flow of negativity towards Reigns since then but I will also take that kudos away when seeing how they have had to damage Daniel Bryan to do so.

Anyway that's the past but what about the future? As far back as last April there was a genuine feeling that 2015 would be the year Reigns would be built up to win the title at Wrestlemania and become the new top of the card babyface. I think we can safely assume that those early predictions were bang on the money, even John Cena has been somewhat diminished in his booking in the hopes of Reigns overtaking him. But that was the plan, the reality is that poor booking has left the guy looking very vulnerable heading in to his big moment. The crowd reactions he has been getting are decent but decent doesn't nearly cut it when you're at your Steve Austin at Wrestlemania XIV moment, you need to be white hot and the fans need to be itching to see you capture the gold. At present you could argue that Reigns is perhaps the third or fourth most popular full time babyface on the roster after Cena, Bryan and Orton, though I'm sure Ambrose and Ziggler might disagree with that.

This isn't where Reigns needs to be and I don't think a win over Brock at Mania will rectify that. In fact I think a win and a title run will do more damage in the long term as the fans who are disgruntled with him will get even more annoyed and boo him even louder. He could carry on like that for sure and I know people compare that reaction to what Cena gets but if you listen in it really isn't comparable. Even the Cena haters want to see the guy on the card because they want to take part in booing him, with Reigns I do sense it is more of a 'go away' style heat from them.

I don't see the current situation ever bringing about the intended result of Reigns overtaking the likes of Bryan and Cena anyway. There are a few options on the table open to them at present though. Heyman could screw Brock out of the title and align himself with a new heel champion in Roman Reigns. Rollins could cash in on either Reigns, or even better on Brock, after the Mania match or the next night on Raw and set up a summer chase for the title for Reigns against his old stable mate. All good options and both I think would serve Reigns best in the long term instead of a straight up title victory and run coming out of Mania. What do you reckon?

Simply, YES!


Roman Reigns' singles run went to shit the moment he was paired with Big Slow in a seemingly never-ending feud, and in addition to that, his character was changed from a "badass, man of few words" to a "fairy tale story-teller" in a change that obviously didn't go well with the majority(even I, who is a huge fan of the guy would have turned on his push had he not changed back post-Rumble).
Essentially that ill-advised character change was basically Vince giving a sneak preview of his intention to fully make Reigns into a Cena 2.0, and it was no surprise that the fans would have none of it.



At Mania, Reigns, who has got back some momentum through his mini-feud with Daniel Bryan, will be facing Brock Lesnar.
Now, after he broke the Undertaker's Streak, Brock was obviously supposed to be a very hated heel going forward. However, when he had to face John Cena at SummerSlam, all that heel heat turned to pratically babyface overness.



Thus, put 2 and 2 together, you get a mildly over Roman Reigns who was practically ruined a couple of months back, facing a Heel who is getting regular face reactions.
And also, the usual "Seth should Cash-in on Roman" schtick that is said is also rendered almost useless Unless Seth Rollins is going to be turned at WrestleMania, because at this point, A Seth Rollins Cash-in will be greeted with fanfare rather than huge heel heat, and I have absolutely no doubts regarding that.


Personally, I'd have Heyman align with Roman Reigns and have Reigns become the new "Next Big Thing" by defeating Brock Lesnar and also turn away the Seth Rollins Cash-in attempt, which will definitely put the fans against him and give him huge heat.
Let him work as a Monster Heel post-Mania with Heyman by his side, whilst Brock can go off to UFC ot continue his sparse appearances.


Only concern with the above is whether Seth stays heel or not. However, I do think maybe a babyface turn for him is coming soon anyway, and judging by his progress post-Shield, it wouldn't be such a bad idea at all.

 

[louchratis]

Kids and women are big Reigns fans but often aren't vocal supporters as they get drowned out pretty easily by adults. That said, Vince doesn't want his next big star booed at the biggest show of the year and despite how stubborn he is, he won't risk a negative crowd reaction. To me, this has always set up for a Rollins cash-in. It's the ultimate get out of jail free card. Reigns can say he was the one guy who beat Lesnar to end the 14 month roll he's been on and Mania fans who are at the show go home happy, thereby electing not to piss all over the main event's conclusion.

 

[FreezeIzGAWD]

I hear where you coming from. The worst mistake they did by far was having him feud with Show not Rollins when he returned. Fans would have really been behind Reigns. Thankfully the Show/Reigns is over...for now. I got a feeling they will resume it once Reigns becomes champ. I think Reigns will be fine. His matches have gotten better and they don't have him sounding like The Rock anymore. They've actually been working on his character development. I know more about Reigns as a individual now over the past few weeks since the Royal Rumble since he was in The Shield.

I just hope they give Reigns some good opponents like Sheamus but if he has to face Show/Kane, just keep the matches short, dominate them like he's supposed to, not look vunerable against them like Bryan. One thing I can say about Reigns compared to everybody besides maybe Orton, he got the female and kids fanbase on lock. They should appeal to that.

I was actually watching Raw on DVR when I read this post and I am so happy because it shows what ********s the IWC are. At 2:06:50 Roman gets introduced the fans went crazy for him. People slapping his back and giving him high fives, women swooning and kids cheering happily for their hero. Now at the 2:09:00 minute mark you will hear a bunch of boos and Daniel Bryan chants by some GROWN ASS MEN acting like complete douche bags. Oh and before you say "just because they don't root for Roman that doesn't make them douche bags". No I was saying that because they literally were in the camera making faces and acting like disabled people while drinking alcohol. I know they found it oh so funny but it shows how the COOL HIPSTER FANS go to live shows just to mess it up. Not all but a majority but like you said because they are drunk obnoxious loud mouths they get the most attention. It's kind of like when you go out to a restaurant and there are a bunch of COOL high school kids being loud and screaming looking for attention. They don't even realize how corny and stupid they actually look but boy do they stand out.

So no Roman shouldn't get changed or lose the title. The JERKS who hate him will still hate him and yes THEY ACTUALLY ARE THE MINORITY!!!!

I keep saying this.....

Daniel Bryan does NOT bring in casual fans. PERIOD! Roman can and will. That is why he is the next superstar and DB is NOT!!!

I always say if the ROH style is so appealing to EVERYONE then why are their ratings so much worse that the WWEs. Has it ever occurred to y'all that once again that style is for the MINORITY and not MAJORITY!

Naw can't be because to admit that would be to admit that Vince a guy who has ran wrestling for over 30 years may actually have an idea how to run HIS BILLION dollar company. Strange huh?

 

[kadroan]

I was actually watching Raw on DVR when I read this post and I am so happy because it shows what ********s the IWC are. At 2:06:50 Roman gets introduced the fans went crazy for him. People slapping his back and giving him high fives, women swooning and kids cheering happily for their hero. Now at the 2:09:00 minute mark you will hear a bunch of boos and Daniel Bryan chants by some GROWN ASS MEN acting like complete douche bags. Oh and before you say "just because they don't root for Roman that doesn't make them douche bags". No I was saying that because they literally were in the camera making faces and acting like disabled people while drinking alcohol. I know they found it oh so funny but it shows how the COOL HIPSTER FANS go to live shows just to mess it up. Not all but a majority but like you said because they are drunk obnoxious loud mouths they get the most attention. It's kind of like when you go out to a restaurant and there are a bunch of COOL high school kids being loud and screaming looking for attention. They don't even realize how corny and stupid they actually look but boy do they stand out.

So no Roman shouldn't get changed or lose the title. The JERKS who hate him will still hate him and yes THEY ACTUALLY ARE THE MINORITY!!!!

I keep saying this.....

Daniel Bryan does NOT bring in casual fans. PERIOD! Roman can and will. That is why he is the next superstar and DB is NOT!!!

I always say if the ROH style is so appealing to EVERYONE then why are their ratings so much worse that the WWEs. Has it ever occurred to y'all that once again that style is for the MINORITY and not MAJORITY!

Naw can't be because to admit that would be to admit that Vince a guy who has ran wrestling for over 30 years may actually have an idea how to run HIS BILLION dollar company. Strange huh?

Dude, watch your mouth. It's uncalled for name calling people for expressing their opinions.

I don't know why you quote my post but if you actually read word for word your reply to it doesn't make any sense.

 

[Aquaman6686]

I was actually watching Raw on DVR when I read this post and I am so happy because it shows what ********s the IWC are. At 2:06:50 Roman gets introduced the fans went crazy for him. People slapping his back and giving him high fives, women swooning and kids cheering happily for their hero. Now at the 2:09:00 minute mark you will hear a bunch of boos and Daniel Bryan chants by some GROWN ASS MEN acting like complete douche bags. Oh and before you say "just because they don't root for Roman that doesn't make them douche bags". No I was saying that because they literally were in the camera making faces and acting like disabled people while drinking alcohol. I know they found it oh so funny but it shows how the COOL HIPSTER FANS go to live shows just to mess it up. Not all but a majority but like you said because they are drunk obnoxious loud mouths they get the most attention. It's kind of like when you go out to a restaurant and there are a bunch of COOL high school kids being loud and screaming looking for attention. They don't even realize how corny and stupid they actually look but boy do they stand out.

So no Roman shouldn't get changed or lose the title. The JERKS who hate him will still hate him and yes THEY ACTUALLY ARE THE MINORITY!!!!

I keep saying this.....

Daniel Bryan does NOT bring in casual fans. PERIOD! Roman can and will. That is why he is the next superstar and DB is NOT!!!

I always say if the ROH style is so appealing to EVERYONE then why are their ratings so much worse that the WWEs. Has it ever occurred to y'all that once again that style is for the MINORITY and not MAJORITY!

Naw can't be because to admit that would be to admit that Vince a guy who has ran wrestling for over 30 years may actually have an idea how to run HIS BILLION dollar company. Strange huh?

And you're sitting there with your DVR, scrolling through timestamps trying to find "proof" that Roman Reigns is popular. Roman Reigns doesn't draw. Daniel Bryan does. Roman Reigns is the Lex Luger of 2015. He's the guy WWE WANTS to be the next top guy, and are refusing to give up on no matter how much the fans dislike him.

 

[#1druid]

I was actually watching Raw on DVR when I read this post and I am so happy because it shows what ********s the IWC are. At 2:06:50 Roman gets introduced the fans went crazy for him. People slapping his back and giving him high fives, women swooning and kids cheering happily for their hero. Now at the 2:09:00 minute mark you will hear a bunch of boos and Daniel Bryan chants by some GROWN ASS MEN acting like complete douche bags. Oh and before you say "just because they don't root for Roman that doesn't make them douche bags". No I was saying that because they literally were in the camera making faces and acting like disabled people while drinking alcohol. I know they found it oh so funny but it shows how the COOL HIPSTER FANS go to live shows just to mess it up. Not all but a majority but like you said because they are drunk obnoxious loud mouths they get the most attention. It's kind of like when you go out to a restaurant and there are a bunch of COOL high school kids being loud and screaming looking for attention. They don't even realize how corny and stupid they actually look but boy do they stand out.

So no Roman shouldn't get changed or lose the title. The JERKS who hate him will still hate him and yes THEY ACTUALLY ARE THE MINORITY!!!!

I keep saying this.....

Daniel Bryan does NOT bring in casual fans. PERIOD! Roman can and will. That is why he is the next superstar and DB is NOT!!!

I always say if the ROH style is so appealing to EVERYONE then why are their ratings so much worse that the WWEs. Has it ever occurred to y'all that once again that style is for the MINORITY and not MAJORITY!

Naw can't be because to admit that would be to admit that Vince a guy who has ran wrestling for over 30 years may actually have an idea how to run HIS BILLION dollar company. Strange huh?

Vince has had 1 really good idea for every 100 bad ones. Now one of the best ideas was having less control over what went on during the attitude era instead of pushing content that was sending people in droves to WCW. He also has tried at least 3 times to push a big guys over those the fans actually chose.

Reigns enters through the crowd. I'm pretty sure that's an easy reaction as most of the time whenever anything happens in the crowd people get amped.

Whether Daniel Bryan brings in casuals is a debatable topic however as their number 2 merchandise seller(behind only Cena), having 1 million more twitter followers than reigns, and having 10% better ratings during his chase last year suggests he is a draw. He obviously appeals to children with his underdog character and his beard etc and he appeals to adults with his superb performance and yes chant. Plus he obviously has a lot of love for what he does and it shows.

Also the way you talk about others suggests maybe that you should take a look in the mirror before throwing out these accusations.

 

[FreezeIzGAWD]

LOL.....

I love how you guys clearly didn't respond to the point that I was making that Reigns is popular and that most of the people who boo him are hipster guys. It's funny because you can say I used the DVR as proof but in all honesty yeah I did. The same way you guys use the fact he gets booed as proof that DB needs to be the main event. I was merely pointing out who usually boos him and had a CLEAR VISUAL to illustrate it. It doesn't matter because you guys will always believe what you want but the facts remain. CASUAL FANS HAVE NO IDEA WHO DANIEL BRYAN IS! Never will.

Roman Reigns has the crossover look that does.

Oh and for a guy who is wrong 99% of the time in the IWCs eyes. It is AMAZING that Vince's company is still thriving after 30 years and all his competitors are BELLY UP. Oh yeah I know it's because he loosen the reigns in 95. Gotcha!

Uh just for further reference the Attitude era has been over for a decade plus. Vince must be doing a little something right.

Oh and if you don't think the guys in the clip were Jerks then that actually manifests my argument more than anything else I can say

 

[FreezeIzGAWD]

Oh and Kadroan I quoted your post because I AGREED with your over assessment....

Not as an insult.....

You said that most of Romans fans were woman and children and I agreed. Plus I believe his matches are better and more exciting

 

[JoeMallard]

Yeah it's a risk with Reigns. I rather for them to take a risk than to go with what's been same the past 10 years, making Cena as champ. I can say the good thing about Reigns being champ, it'll make everybody raise their game to look good against him when they face off.

You had me until you said everybody would need to raise their game to look good against him. He won't be walking out of Wrestlemania as champion. Believe that!

 

[#1druid]

LOL.....

I love how you guys clearly didn't respond to the point that I was making that Reigns is popular and that most of the people who boo him are hipster guys. It's funny because you can say I used the DVR as proof but in all honesty yeah I did. The same way you guys use the fact he gets booed as proof that DB needs to be the main event. I was merely pointing out who usually boos him and had a CLEAR VISUAL to illustrate it. It doesn't matter because you guys will always believe what you want but the facts remain. CASUAL FANS HAVE NO IDEA WHO DANIEL BRYAN IS! Never will.

Roman Reigns has the crossover look that does.

Oh and for a guy who is wrong 99% of the time in the IWCs eyes. It is AMAZING that Vince's company is still thriving after 30 years and all his competitors are BELLY UP. Oh yeah I know it's because he loosen the reigns in 95. Gotcha!

Uh just for further reference the Attitude era has been over for a decade plus. Vince must be doing a little something right.

Oh and if you don't think the guys in the clip were Jerks then that actually manifests my argument more than anything else I can say

Roman reigns looks like he might piss himself during a guest spot on jimmy fallon, and not because fuck jimmy fallon but because he legitimately looks nervous everytime he opens his mouth. That's a big dent in crossover appeal. Speaking of crossover appeal there was a wrestler who was involved with both the superbowl and world series champions last year. You can't argue that reigns gets (some) cheers but then say the guy(s) who get (significantly) more cheers than reigns don't matter. I would argue casual fans would have to know who daniel bryan is as he's kind of a big part of most programming. I can't imagine after two years of main event programming they haven't done a google search or developed some sort of familiarity or are you suggesting they have episodic amnesia based soley around the appearance of daniel bryan on the wrestling program they casually watch? Also #2 merch selling, 1 million more twitter followers than reigns and half a million viewers more each week during his chase suggests he's more well known/liked than Reigns.

Vince eliminated WCW literally nothing else matters after that as he can coast along knowing people who love/like wrestling will have to watch his program. He has had some gems and i would argue that if it were just two hours raw would be a lot better but when you get to some of these filler segments they're god awful.

Finally if you don't realize you're coming across as a jerk then I guess that proves our point.

 

[JoeMallard]

LOL.....

I love how you guys clearly didn't respond to the point that I was making that Reigns is popular and that most of the people who boo him are hipster guys. It's funny because you can say I used the DVR as proof but in all honesty yeah I did. The same way you guys use the fact he gets booed as proof that DB needs to be the main event. I was merely pointing out who usually boos him and had a CLEAR VISUAL to illustrate it. It doesn't matter because you guys will always believe what you want but the facts remain. CASUAL FANS HAVE NO IDEA WHO DANIEL BRYAN IS! Never will.

Roman Reigns has the crossover look that does.

Oh and for a guy who is wrong 99% of the time in the IWCs eyes. It is AMAZING that Vince's company is still thriving after 30 years and all his competitors are BELLY UP. Oh yeah I know it's because he loosen the reigns in 95. Gotcha!

Uh just for further reference the Attitude era has been over for a decade plus. Vince must be doing a little something right.

Oh and if you don't think the guys in the clip were Jerks then that actually manifests my argument more than anything else I can say

80% of the fans are behind Bryan, you moron! He's the number two merch seller behind Cena. Bryan gets the crowd invested in what he is doing. You are blind to the fact that he is the most over person besides Cena. You just can't stand that a guy that looks like a troll is more popular than an ordinary bland muscle head, it just kills you! Casuals don't know who he is? Look at the crowd, dumbass! Believe that!