Anyone Miss The Days Of Feuds Affecting Other Feuds?

[wrestlingfanatic98]

Loads have had problems with predictable factor the WWE has been for years. Does anyone miss the days of storyline's colliding with each other, say xpac and kane were a tag team unit, but the WWF champion HHH would attack kane smashing him with a sledge hammer costing kane the tag match, on the same night HHH in the main event, he would beat billy gun to retain his title, and kane would attack all 3 of shane chyna and HHH to end RAW. That is missing from the WWE, the lack of storyline's colliding with eachother, ending on a holy shit moment, that makes you want to watch what happens next week.

What I also loved from the WWF, was the heel stable's that had control over the WWF championship, or a multiple of championships making the odds for the faces that much harder to stop. Remember the corporation, or the ministry and the helmsley era, these stable's made us care for the faces, that after week after week of the faces like austin rock mankind and guys like kane having to fight the overwhelming odds to get to their goals. These stables would set up 2 or 3 storylines colliding with one huge feud. I would love to see johnny ace put together a huge stable, where the heel would be the champion and making the faces really work hard to stop this force, which would see 2 or 3 storylines build into one huge feud for months

So I ask akk you guys, if the WWE mixed it up, and have feuds effect other feuds, and start putting together stables that would have control over the WWE title, would we see a much more entertaining show? that made us care more for the faces. Not the same boring routine of a champion facing a challenger, and he wins the belt and the viscous cycle continues where its still the same. Imagine one day cena turning heel and he is part of a huge stable, that the faces have to stop this force

 

[jokernaut]

agreed. when the wwe had multiple story lines all colliding with each other, it created a lot of chaos and made it a lot of fun. hopefully one day they will get back into that. stables are one of the best things ever in the wwe. it creates a lot of big stars and when a stable is a heel, its so much fun to hate them like the corporation etc. good times when it was the ministry, corporation and dx. i dont know why they got rid of stables but that is some of the most success the wwe ever saw

 

[Rowdy Robby Piper]

Another thing to consider is the setup for the next feud. Let's use Brodus Clay and Drew McIntyre for our (read: my) example. Each of them are wrestling whoever they may be, and in the words of Gorilla Monsoon (paraphrasing here) "working their way up the ranks for a title shot" against....oh, let's say Cody Rhodes and his Intercontinental Championship. Each of them continue to build wins against their respective opponents until it comes time for them to meet up, with the winner going on face Cody Rhodes for the IC title. While McIntyre and Clay are working their program, Cody could interfere in their matches so that he doesn't have to face either one of them and would rather face someone else.

I think it comes down to something that WWE hasn't done for a while, and that's learn how to do a slow-build into something where the payoff/repercussions will be felt/remembered for years to come.

 

[wrestlingfanatic98]

agreed. when the wwe had multiple story lines all colliding with each other, it created a lot of chaos and made it a lot of fun. hopefully one day they will get back into that. stables are one of the best things ever in the wwe. it creates a lot of big stars and when a stable is a heel, its so much fun to hate them like the corporation etc. good times when it was the ministry, corporation and dx. i dont know why they got rid of stables but that is some of the most success the wwe ever saw

glad you agreed, for me that is when WWE becomes fun again, storylines having more layers and they collide with each other. It does not need to have blood, we need storylines clashing with eachother. Making the show more dynamic and with a better tempo. Say if the heel champion attacks some other wrestlers, and we get a really good tag team. I remember the fire and energy tag team match that was taker and kane vs austin and big show in 99, not the greatest of matches but that was an example of 2 separate feuds, show and kane feuding, with taker and austin feuding they got involved with each other and it become an all out brawl tag team

Imagine johnny ace and otanga forge a stable, his members if they had the balls, cena the heel WWE champion, bryan world champion, barret, why not ryder with eve together, cody, del rio, Y2J, set up this elite stable add a few more guys to this, like they did with the mean street posse, say they are primo and epico. Going up against a monster tweener like kane who refused to join the stable with cena and got attacked by 4 or 5 guys, orton, christian, punk, big show. Say they threw in these side wrestlers, who were also destroyed by the stable, it then creates a few feuds rolled into one huge feud. But the heel stable really doing a number on these guys for weeks, so it makes the faces task that much more tougher. That is if they really tried to put on one huge storyline that would be drawn out for a long time like the helmsley era when it was rock mankind and kane fighting the odds. You could imagine kane and orton do not want to work with each other, but they have to work together because of the overwhelming odds, and they want a title shot.

Imagine if they did layer their storylines, Y2J attacking the likes of kofi and a few others, that comes into play and their involved in the WWE title. Or if kane and orton get involved in the world title when bryan got involved in their business, it then becomes show codi kane orton after bryan, similar to when HHH was a marked man in 99 when he was pissing off austin taker kane show mankind rock, it all exploded. Kane orton show codi are after bryan when he was pissing them all off, it gets the fans involved and we start to enjoy these huge feuds. I do think if they did these 2 things, overlap their storylines and created dangerous heel stables, the WWE would be fantastic to watch again

 

[HitmanRicks]

I agree with having one storyline intertwine with another, but I am not up for another big stable controlling the World Titles and other championships again. TNA did that angle to death. First with the Main Event Mafia, then Immortal, one right after the other. I wouldn't have minded if they spaced out the time between the groups, but when the Main Event Mafia stopped, Immortal was right there to do the exact same thing, and it was like the angle never really stopped. It felt the exact same.

However, if WWE were to do it right, say with John Laurinaitus as the leader, I could get into the idea of another faction ruling WWE.

 

[wrestlingfanatic98]

I agree with having one storyline intertwine with another, but I am not up for another big stable controlling the World Titles and other championships again. TNA did that angle to death. First with the Main Event Mafia, then Immortal, one right after the other. I wouldn't have minded if they spaced out the time between the groups, but when the Main Event Mafia stopped, Immortal was right there to do the exact same thing, and it was like the angle never really stopped. It felt the exact same.

However, if WWE were to do it right, say with John Laurinaitus as the leader, I could get into the idea of another faction ruling WWE.

yea you are right there, but WWE is so much bigger and a heel stable as not been seen in years, its what created some new stars. But a powerful heel stable could really make the fans care about the faces.

But if they did see storylines clash with eachother, their monday night RAW's would be sensational viewing, because it creates chaos and the RAW show becomes intense viewing. The violence etc was never the reason why WWE was great, it was the storylines overlapping each other, and either small or big stables making it tough for the faces. That is what made the austin vs vince storyline so great viewing, austin had to deal with allot of obstacles, either taker and kane, or the corporation and then become the ministry corporation, while insanely OTT it really made you think, austin rock mankind had no chance to even win these feuds, let alone taste the gold

 

[harrythem]

So, from what I read, it seems that you think the WWE should either redo the Corporation or the nWo?

See, when I think of great feuds over-lapping, I don't think of random attacks during matches, I think of Austin vs Bret Hart. I then think, during that period, Austin attacking Bulldog while Owen Hart never stopped him. This led me to believe it was gonna end up Austin & Owen vs Bret & Bulldog but, low and behold, it ended up Hart Foundation vs Austin and incorporated LOD (in their tag titles quest) and many others. That, to me, was the best example of overlapping feuds.

And, yes, if they could do something like that again, I would be all for it, not the half-baked Nexus angel they attempted (and def no more nWo or owner/GM stable angles, they've been done to death).

 

[NegativeFeedback]

I think we could use the Corporation again, but this time, make it more realistic:

Mr. McMahon- Chairman of the Board
Triple H- Chief Operating Officer
Stephanie McMahon- Chief Executive Officer
John Laurinitis- Executive VP of Talent Relations and General Manager
David Otunga- Company Attorney
Alberto Del Rio- Primary Investor
Dean Ambrose- Company Poster Boy
Other Corporation wrestlers like Mark Henry, Albert, Christian and Chris Jericho

Like that, they have complete control over the company. JL runs everything on TV, Triple H and Stephanie run the company and Vince has the Board in his pocket. All while Alberto Del Rio invests in the company so they give him big opportunities. They can bring in Dean Ambrose as the new poster boy to replace John Cena as well. Christian can be JL's personal suck-up and David Otunga will be the company attorney.

CM Punk will obviously hate this new Corporation and will try to take it down and John Cena will have a problem being replaced as poster boy. Sheamus, Big Show and Orton will also end up feuding with the new Corporation.

Imagine every time Chris Jericho and Christian come out for a promo, they have Mark Henry and Albert right by their side. Punk feuding with Triple H, Cena feuding with Ambrose, Orton feuding with Jericho, Sheamus feuding with Del Rio, Big Show feuding with Albert, Zack Ryder feuding with Otunga, The Miz feuding with Christian... They can have all of these feuds collide and make for an epic year of WWE programming.

Just imagine the huge feud ending at WrestleMania 29 with big Resistance vs. Corporation matches. I'm totally for it.


Otunga and Henry can feud with an up-and

 

[kdk5680]

Groups are great when the number is limited. The four horsemen for instance. Yes, there have been way more then four thru the years, but only 4 at one time.
The NWOs biggest problem was that there became way too many of them. When it takes ten minutes for everybody in your group to get in the ring, your too big. Thaat was the same problem with Immortal. Keep the faction too no mare then 4 or 5 wrestlers and a manager and then you have a perfect group.

Far example: Y2J as Heavyweight champion, Cody Rhodes as IC, Ziggler and Swagger for tag team, JL as "manager"/mouthpiece, and Otunga as lackey/backup/insurance on outside.

This gives faces on every level someone too fight and multiple storyline possibilities.

 

[daddyJ_t]

if thats the case, go something of a hybred nexus/job squad type. get a few guys who r stars, and tired of being misused or "jobbers" and have them get their shit together and run rampade through some people drawing the ire of johhny ace or so forth kinda like a ryder/ rtruth miz deal. eventually it blurs the line between heel and face wrestlers and vince or hhh or ace has to deal with them.

 

[TempestH]

Groups are great when the number is limited. The four horsemen for instance. Yes, there have been way more then four thru the years, but only 4 at one time.
The NWOs biggest problem was that there became way too many of them. When it takes ten minutes for everybody in your group to get in the ring, your too big. Thaat was the same problem with Immortal. Keep the faction too no mare then 4 or 5 wrestlers and a manager and then you have a perfect group.

Far example: Y2J as Heavyweight champion, Cody Rhodes as IC, Ziggler and Swagger for tag team, JL as "manager"/mouthpiece, and Otunga as lackey/backup/insurance on outside.

This gives faces on every level someone too fight and multiple storyline possibilities.

In recent times, stables consist of one main eventer or uppermidcard guy and two or more guys who serve no other purpose than being glorified jobbers. Like their whole purpose is to eat finishers and take pinfalls so that the leader(s) do(es)n't have to. Instead, I think that each member of a stable should have their own feuds and storylines on the side