Another Reason Why Back To The Future Is Awesome

[jmt225]

What I don't get about the third part: wouldn't there be 2 DeLoreans in 1885?

There's the DeLorean Marty comes back in and the DeLorean that Doc buried there. Why not go get that one? Am I missing something or is that a big plot hole?

The DeLorean Marty went back in was the DoLorean Doc buried. It's reasonable to believe that because Marty was using it, the DoLorean buried in 1885 disappeared since it was then in use.

To believe it was possible for that DoLorean to still be in 1885, then Doc could leave his life savings at a certain period in time, go a year into the future, pick up the money, go back to a day before, and the money would still be there, thus doubling his amount. He could continuously repeat the process and become the richest man to ever live.

But, I don't think that was in the realm of possibility in the BTF Universe, especially since we saw how easily reality could be altered and people/things could be erased from existence.

 

[Mustang Sally]

The DeLorean Marty went back in was the DoLorean Doc buried. It's reasonable to believe that because Marty was using it, the DoLorean buried in 1885 disappeared since it was then in use.

But why would it have disappeared? If a person from 1985 could exist in the past at the same time as his 1885 counterpart, couldn't any object do the same? And if that's so, wouldn't the Delorean Marty took back from 1955 (the one with the busted fuel line) still exist in 1885 after Marty went back to the future?

If so, then there's still a DeLorean sitting in a cave since 1885 that's going to be discovered someday. Since Doc Brown continued to live in 1885, couldn't he have fixed the fuel line and used that car as a time machine.....rather than building a new one out of a train?

Come to think of it, how did he replicate a flux capacitor in 1885 to put in the train?

 

[Davi323]

The DeLorean Marty went back in was the DoLorean Doc buried. It's reasonable to believe that because Marty was using it, the DoLorean buried in 1885 disappeared since it was then in use.

To believe it was possible for that DoLorean to still be in 1885, then Doc could leave his life savings at a certain period in time, go a year into the future, pick up the money, go back to a day before, and the money would still be there, thus doubling his amount. He could continuously repeat the process and become the richest man to ever live.

But, I don't think that was in the realm of possibility in the BTF Universe, especially since we saw how easily reality could be altered and people/things could be erased from existence.

Except in BTTF 1, we see Marty watching himself travel back in time, and in BTTF 2, a disguised 1985 Doc helps out the 1955 Doc set up the "weather experiment".

Clearly, both versions can exist at the same time.

Doc buried the DeLorean at some point in the 8 months he lived in 1885 prior to writing the letter to Marty dated September 1st, 1885. That DeLorean stays in the cave until November 12, 1955.

Marty arrives in the past about a week before Doc is shot by Buford Tannen. The date on his tombstone is September 5, 1885, so Marty arrives no earlier than August 30, 1885, presumably well after Doc sealed the DeLorean.

This means that for the week Marty was in 1885, you had both the DeLorean in the cave AND the DeLorean he used to travel back in time with. If Marty can watch himself in 1985, if Doc can briefly help himself in 1955, why would the DeLorean disappear when they didn't?

 

[jmt225]

Hmmm... that's a good point, Davi. Damn.

Something that would have solved it all is if they didn't make the sequels period, lol. While the sequels are worth it for the banter between old and young Biff alone, they did hurt the original by trying to do so much.

Come to think of it, how did he replicate a flux capacitor in 1885 to put in the train?

That's something I've never understood, either.

 

[Mustang Sally]

As long as we're talking about BTTF paradox, what about Doc Brown's answer to Clara Clayton when he said he had to leave her and told her he couldn't take her with him. She didn't yet know he was going back to the future, and he felt he couldn't take her out of her time.

But wasn't that the absolute wrong decision? In the original history, Clara was meant to die in a horse-driven wagon fall off a cliff (that came to be known as Clayton's Ravine, remember?) When he saved her, she no longer belonged in 1885. If he went back to the future and left her there, she would change Doc's history. As a young woman, she would probably marry a man.....who, in the original history, would have married a different woman, thereby creating different children than history intended be born. Those "new" children would create alternate unions with other spouses, and still more children who were never meant to be. In a pioneer town like Hill Valley, the entire dynamic would be changed by the time Marty McFly was born.

To add to this paradox, Doc Brown and Clara created two children, Jules and Verne, who were never meant to exist at all. These two kids would eventually mate with townspeople and royally screw up the future.

How about this example?...... Say Sheamus and Maggie McFly have a daughter back in 1885 and instead of whomever history intended she marry, she instead marries Jules Brown (son of Doc and Clara)?

What then, huh? After all, if Sheamus and Maggie's daughter doesn't marry the guy history intended she marry, none of the McFly men who existed in 1985 (George, Dave & Marty) would even come into being! Other McFly children would be born, but not the ones we knew. So, when Marty goes back to the future, it's a future in which he never existed and can't exist now.

It's ironic that Doc Brown, the man who was so intent on not messing up the past, was solely responsible for doing just that.

As Marty McFly would say: "Holy shit!"

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

This is heavy

 

[Davi323]

There's that word again. "Heavy." Why are things so heavy in the future? Is there a problem with the Earth's gravitational pull?

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Yoshi Tatsu: "What's the matter, Sandow? Ya chicken?"

 

[Poop Master Flex]

What I don't get about the third part: wouldn't there be 2 DeLoreans in 1885?

There's the DeLorean Marty comes back in and the DeLorean that Doc buried there. Why not go get that one? Am I missing something or is that a big plot hole?

I don't think its a plot hole. They has issues using the one Marty brought back because they had no gasoline so they would have the same issue with both time machines, No gas!

Also, the one he buried needed to be repaired using parts that were invented in the early 20th century so they couldn't repair it anyways. Basically the one buried was useless until Doc and Marty fixed it up in 1955.

 

[Davi323]

So...Doc is smart enough to build a steam powered time machine out of a train using only 1885 parts, but figuring out a way to distill clean enough gasoline was beyond him...Kinda like how the Professor could build a radio out of some coconuts and a vine, but wasn't smart enough to figure out a way to fix a damn hole in a boat.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

True but you got to remember it took him years being in 1885 to figure it out. He even said in the letter the parts weren't available until the early 20th century to fix it so he probably didn't figure it out yet and was the only way he knew how to fix it. Besides it was more a concern getting Marty home, he was happy in 1885 so he found an easy way to get him home.

He had kids and a family by the time he built the steam engine time machine, he had less than a week to figure out how to get Marty back home so time wasn't on his side.