Amazing Red wins TNA X Division Championship in NYC

[ctln4rko]

Simple anwer to this one. They do it for the house show pop it would have received. I don't know if there was any significance to Amazing Red and the location of that particular hoouse show. If there was, it would have been done for the cheap pop to please the fans in attendance at the house show. Even if there is no such significance, same reason applies.

Likely shortly thereafter, Amazing Red will lose the title back to Lethal so that by the time iMPACT airs again, or a PPV happens again or whatever, it will be like the title change never happened. Next episode of iMPACT, Lethal is champion again, and the title change never gets mentioned, like it never even happened.

Either this, or Lethal is injured or did something significant to piss off the powers that be in TNA, causing a quick title change, but I doubt it. Likely the house show pop. Look for Lethal to be champion again at the next airing of iMPACT.

alright. but why don't they start a feud with amazing red and lethal for the title. on impact, have red walk out with the title. Then, have lethal come out and say something like you beat me when the cameras were not rolling, and then have them face at BFG.

 

[hatehabsforever]

alright. but why don't they start a feud with amazing red and lethal for the title. on impact, have red walk out with the title. Then, have lethal come out and say something like you beat me when the cameras were not rolling, and then have them face at BFG.

Maybe this is where this situation is heading. Perhaps they gave the title to Amazing Red to see how the fans responded to it. If it got a favorable response, they may consider starting a program between these two, but such a feud would involve AR challenging the champion Lethal at an episode of iMPACT, not at some house show that very few people saw and no one would know about if it weren't for IWC sites like this one. If there was no reaction to AR winning the title at the house show, they would likely re-consider building a program around it at a PPV or on iMPACT.

Let's face it, it has to be some explanation like this. After all, it couldn't be that TNA just did something stupid without thinking it through fully, having no idea where to go next with the idea, could it

 

[re93animator]

alright. but why don't they start a feud with amazing red and lethal for the title. on impact, have red walk out with the title. Then, have lethal come out and say something like you beat me when the cameras were not rolling, and then have them face at BFG.

I think some reports stated that there were cameras rolling. I wouldn't be surprised if they carried over the title change to IMPACT and just rolled the footage of how it happened. Maybe Kurt Angle finally convinced management to give Red a push.

 

[KaoticMayhem]

doesnt suprise me.. it happens from time to time.. i mean look at how rob terry won the global title ..House show. could be a cheap pop move like stated or there may be background politics at work here.. hard to tell in the crazy world we call wrestling.

 

[Megadeth]

I was just looking at TNA's upcoming live events, and noticed that tonight (Sat. Sep. 25th), they are doing another house show in Rahway, New Jersey which is just minutes outside of Jay Lethal's hometown of Elizabeth, NJ. So I would not be shocked at all if Lethal were to win it back tonight.

Edit:
Also, I just checked, and Amazing Red is billed as being from Brooklyn, and since the house show he won it at was in New York City, I am guessing the decided to let him get the win in his hometown, and Lethal will get in back tonight in his. I think the whole point of this is to prove that anything can happen at a TNA house show, in an attempt to boost ticket sells, as most people dont ever expect to see a title switch hands at a house show.

 

[Megadeth]

I was just looking at TNA's upcoming live events, and noticed that tonight, they are doing another house show in Rahway, New Jersey which is just minutes outside of Jay Lethal's hometown of Elizabeth, NJ. So I would think that Lethal will end up winning it back tonight.

Edit:
Also, I just checked, and Amazing Red is billed as being from Brooklyn, and since the house show he won it at was in New York City, I am guessing the decided to let him get the win in his hometown, and Lethal will get in back tonight in his. I think the whole point of this is to prove that anything can happen at a TNA house show, in an attempt to boost ticket sells, as most people dont ever expect to see a title switch hands at a house show.

 

[The Best At What I Do]

I really want to agree with hatehabs here but alas I cannot. I was browsing the TNA website for the first time simply to see the promotional poster in which they incorrectly spell the name of their top faction and off to the side was an announcement reading "Major news: Amazing Red new X-division champion!! How you ask? He beat Lethal! At a house show! That none of you saw! But now I bet you wish you did! Too bad! It's TNA bitches!!" So it seems like there going to run with the whole title-changes-at-house-shows-count-no-matter-how-few-people-actually-get-to-witness-it thing.

 

[llennellV3]

I really don't see anything wrong with belts changing hands off tv. Specially when they acknowledge it on TV. It gives people who will attend future house shows something to look forward to, knowing that TNA is known for title changes in house shows. Not like "Oh, he's the champ. He won't lose cause it's a house show." As far as Jay Lethel goes, he can be pushed for mid-carter for the TV title and move AJ to World (Eventually). I'm happy with AR being XD champion, specially wit B4G coming up they might make an ultimate X with "high flyers" if they bring some guys back.

 

[XgringolocoX]

Gee...TNA trying to give more reason to go to thier house shows...HOW DARE THEY!! lol

This is something that can be way over used, but if done sparingly can be very effective. It's more real too. Any time the title is on the line it could change hands. TV, PPV, or house show. I really don't care if it was to punish Lethal.

Think about it. Would you buy the PPV knowing all the outcomes? Would you want to spend the cash on a house show knowing there's no chance in hell a title change would occur? Probably not.

 

[the Omega Brand]

doesnt suprise me.. it happens from time to time.. i mean look at how rob terry won the global title ..House show. could be a cheap pop move like stated or there may be background politics at work here.. hard to tell in the crazy world we call wrestling.

Didnt Aj Styles beat Rob Terry for the Title at a House Show too.

 

[The Best At What I Do]

Didnt Aj Styles beat Rob Terry for the Title at a House Show too.

Nah I specifically remember him winning it in an abomination of a 3 minute match. But Terry did beat Young for that title at a house show.

 

[daoutkast4]

I believe Amazing Red resides in Brooklyn, NY. That could be the reason why they did that.

 

[JCreed]

Remember back in 2005 when Jarrett beat Raven for the NWA Title at A BCW show in Canada? True, that wasn't a "house show" but, not many TNA fans saw it until they mentioned it on the premiere episode of IMPACT on Spike TV a fw nights later.

 

[manstis1804]

They're not trying to build Lethal up. They did, for a couple of months, then he wasn't on tv...for a couple of months. Then he randomly wins the x-belt that he's already held years ago on numerous occasions. I think we can put a fork in the Jay Lethal "big push" by now guys.

 

[Rshadow]

They did it because Lethal will be in his home town. Also when titles change hands at house shows it counts a lot. Remember Miz and Morrison won the titles from Kofi and Punk or like mentioned before Terry and EY

 

[The Doctor]

You know, I have no problems with a title change at a house show. It gives people more reason to go to House Shows, does it not? It's like, "Go to a house show! Anything can happen!". And I'm not surprised Amazing Red won, either. After all, there were lots of reports that Dreamer was trying to make Red a star. I'm sure the crowd loved that they actually saw a real title change at a house show, and went home that night thinking that they saw something special.

I'm not sure about Lethal losing the title so quickly, but that's a story for another thread I think.

 

[RVDisTNA]

Reminds me of the good ol' days. Remember when Diesel won the WWF title over Bob Backlund at a House Show? Or when HBK/Diesel won the tag titles from the Headshrinkers right before Summerslam in 94?

Its cool. It makes Wrestling seem a little more realistic and it makes house shows more attractive now that you know TNA isn't afraid of having title changes and such happen, even at a non televised house show.

 

[ctln4rko]

I didn't say the change was a bad thing. i just wanted to know why.

 

[Rayne]

I like that TNA had the belts change hands at a house show. Considering they don't do much touring, and that they don't tape Impact on the road, this gets people more invested in their house shows. There's a reason to go, unlike WWE, where you know that house show title matches will end in a DQ win for the face against a heel champion, or a straight up victory for the face champion. WWE house shows are for parents too poor to bring their kids to a TV taping, or people who know and like the looser atmosphere amongst the wrestlers at house shows.

Of course, you can't have titles changing all the time at house shows, else you alienate your fans watching on TV. But once in a while, it's a good move.

As far as who they picked to win it... ugh. Amazing Red is pretty over in NYC, I'll give him that, but everywhere else in the country, he's an acrobat with no personality. I'll pass.

 

[K4P-Unleashed]

Extremely happy. Like I said in the Jay Lethal topic, Lethal is good, but the face of the X-Division NEEDS to be Amazing Red. This guy is off the charts good and he gets your blood pumping, if you've never seen him compete. This is an "amazing" move by TNA, and I really hope that somehow, he keeps the title until BFG and after. Red is one big bottle of awesomesauce.

 

[The Blue Blood]

I am confused too.....they gave him a big celbration with confedie and all that and then they make him drop the title to a guy who hasn't been on the card in months and had to have DON WEST as a manager to get a push... and above all that it wuz at a house show!!!!! But then again remeber in late 2008 (early 2009 maybe) Miz and Morrison won the tag titles at a house show......But I really don't get y TNA did this.....Lethal went from a Macho Man impersonater to beating Flair to X division champ to losing it not even 2 weeks later to AMAZING RED!!!!!!! WHO!!!!!!!! EXACTLY!!!!!!!!

 

[Klown_Karnage]

I can see a few reasons (all pure speculation I warn you.) First off, Lethal could have some kind of problem with TNA's management and they ripped the strap off of him as punishment or even a temporary "warning" in that he'll get the title back before Impact. Just showing him that management could take the title away from him at any time and he needs to show some "respect".

Secondly, perhaps Red threatened to leave. It's happened before in many promotions. A wrestler gets sick of getting nothing to do night after night and thinks he might have a better shot elsewhere. He threatens to give notice and the promotion has something for him down the road and doesn't want to lose him (or his fan base) so they do a quick plot turn to put a belt on him. This one I really don't see, however, given how TNA has used Red in the past. I don't think he has that much pull on TNA management.

Last, it could be that Red has several of the big names pulling for him. I've seen it mentioned that Kurt thinks highly of him. TNA might give Red a mini-push to keep the bigger names happy.

 

[iamcountrymusic]

This seems like an obvious buildup to an Ultimate X match at Bound For Glory

 

[bullsgo]

I'm not sure the logic behind having Jay Lethal lose the title as quickly as he did. However, this is TNA where logic goes out the window in favor of absurdity. On the other hand, this could be a boost for AR who needs a game changer at this point. Lately, AR's been in the doghouse, and this could be something that makes him relevant again. Lethal can compete for any title right now, whereas AR can only be taken seriously in the X-Division.

 

[StunnaMan12]

Gee...TNA trying to give more reason to go to thier house shows...HOW DARE THEY!! lol

This is something that can be way over used, but if done sparingly can be very effective. It's more real too. Any time the title is on the line it could change hands. TV, PPV, or house show. I really don't care if it was to punish Lethal.

Think about it. Would you buy the PPV knowing all the outcomes? Would you want to spend the cash on a house show knowing there's no chance in hell a title change would occur? Probably not.

Good point.Great marketing by TNA.