Amazing Red and TNA Part Ways

[Hollywood Naitch]

I completly agree with you. amazing red was a great WRESTLER not a superstar though. the x division is not about intruiging matches it is about fast paced action and that was what red had written all over him. I have never really cared much for psychology in the ring so red's style appealled to me very much. its a shame he is gone but im sure tna will find another guy similar to him

I am glad that you share my disappointment in Red being released.

However, I DO care for psychology in wrestling matches for the most part. You cannot beat a match where the storytelling in the ring can get you emotionally involved, but sometimes you just need a bit of high-flying entertainment, where you can simply just marvel at the athletic ability and risk-taking of the guys involved...and that is why I like Red

I have never been bored by him in the ring, he always entertains me. However, the more I think about it, the more I see the reasons TNA have released him. By bringing in guys like Kid Kash and Austin Aries, they have wrestlers who can do the high-flying but also have the mic skills, charisma and actual wrestling ability to make the matches mean something, rather than the spot-fests that Red can do.

Personally, I would like them all to be in TNA, as I am a fan of them all

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Bullshit man

TNA are looking at focusing on the X Division, so they release Generation Me, and now Amazing Red? The fans loved seeing those guys! Sure they are not the most psychologically sound performers, they don't cut great promos but they were some of the most entertaining guys on the roster once they got in the ring.

What fans — the 1,000 people in the Impact Zone? Who cares what they think?! Catering to the ten percenters is a losing strategy. Smarks only like smarky things because they know it's designed solely for them, not because it's actually good for business.

Again, being entertaining in the ring is at best only 50% of what is required of you as a televised professional wrestlers who isn't a jobber. Charisma, personality, etc. matter. Red had none of them, and neither did the Rancho Cucamonga boys.

Look at the cruiserweights in WCW's glory days...did you see many of them cutting great promos? No you didnt, other than the likes of Jericho. They did their talking in the ring and entertained the fans through their athleticism. That is what Amazing Red is all about. I feel sorry for the guy, I always liked him and its a shame that we won't be seeing him on Impact any more. He didnt have much charisma, but for pure entertainment, a few good spots and some excitement, I was a fan of his.

They don't have to cut "great" promos. They just have to be capable of cutting a promo, which Red was not. That said, the cruiserweights in WCW's glory days still included guys like Jericho, Chavo Guerrero, Eddie Guerrero, Syxx and Alex Wright — all of whom were fully capable of being recognized verbally.

If they wanted to keep him around to job to X Division stars getting pushed because they actually have more talent than the ability to do multiple flips, I'd be fine with him staying with the company, but by no means should Red ever be pushed by any company who values personality.

 

[ABMorales787]

Heys Guyz, I just wanted to let Ya kno 1st...TNA & I parted ways do to the "creative has nothing for you" line, so we r gonna future endeavor each other right now.

"Thanks to my @ImpactWrestling famo & fans... Now "On to the Next one" (Jay-Z).

From his Twitter account. Max Buck, former TNA talent would reply to the situation with the following:

"Within a year, you've now lost (Jay Lethal), (Jeremy Buck), (Max Buck), & (Amazing Red). C'mon now."

C'mon now indeed. To some, it would seem like the idea is to not really rebuild the X Division. But the way I see it, TNA is looking for more diverse talent. Jay Lethal never stuck out unless he was impersonating Ric Flair or Macho Man. Hell, I could do a mean Macho Man impersonation myself. That ain't really something major. The Buck's were fun to watch, but aside from feuding with The Guns, what else would they do? Red, was sadly the epitome of filler. Enter the new talent added now in Shima Ion (not that high on him), Kid Kash, Austin Aries and probably more to come. Mix that with Alex Shelley, Brian Kendrick, Kaz and what other guys they can nab and you have an X Division with a more flourishing personality. That seems to be what TNA is going with as of late rather than just cleaning the slate.

 

[shattered dreams]

It basically sends a message that needs to be sent. It doesn't matter how many flips you can do if you cannot get a character over. Personality matters even in the X-division. I think the company is better for it but I will miss Red all the same. Someone like Aries is much better in his "spot" though.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

The X Division was at it's absolute weakest point when it was being spearheaded by Brian Kendrick, Red and the Bucks. That's not a division, it's the foundation for the weakest stable in the history of pro-wrestling.

I've said it over and over — if you can't make fans care about your ability to do anything other than flip around between the ropes, you aren't worth the time of any televised wrestling promotion.

 

[Alex]

I liked Red's spots, but I didn't care about him, half the time I'd forget he was still employed if I hadn't seen him in a while. He's been on the roster for years and I just haven't been able to care about him at all.

On the flipside Austin Aries has been on the roster for a few weeks and he's made me care what he does in a short amount of time, Red couldn't do it in so many years, so its probably for the best, I'd rather have wrestlers like Aries on the roster than Red.

 

[Paralyzer Z]

What fans — the 1,000 people in the Impact Zone? Who cares what they think?! Catering to the ten percenters is a losing strategy. Smarks only like smarky things because they know it's designed solely for them, not because it's actually good for business.

Again, being entertaining in the ring is at best only 50% of what is required of you as a televised professional wrestlers who isn't a jobber. Charisma, personality, etc. matter. Red had none of them, and neither did the Rancho Cucamonga boys.



They don't have to cut "great" promos. They just have to be capable of cutting a promo, which Red was not. That said, the cruiserweights in WCW's glory days still included guys like Jericho, Chavo Guerrero, Eddie Guerrero, Syxx and Alex Wright — all of whom were fully capable of being recognized verbally.

If they wanted to keep him around to job to X Division stars getting pushed because they actually have more talent than the ability to do multiple flips, I'd be fine with him staying with the company, but by no means should Red ever be pushed by any company who values personality.

I have always wondered why the IWC has such low self-esteem? if you are ranting on the "10%ers" then you are insulting yourself i think it matters more of what the fans attending your show think than to some person on the internet. i just hope they find some one who can flip like jack evans and talk like cm punk now that would be great addition to the x division.

 

[Dizzy]

I have always wondered why the IWC has such low self-esteem? if you are ranting on the "10%ers" then you are insulting yourself i think it matters more of what the fans attending your show think than to some person on the internet. i just hope they find some one who can flip like jack evans and talk like cm punk now that would be great addition to the x division.

His name is Austin Aries, The Greatest Man Alive and he's getting a huge push.

10%ers are people who think they know shit. Think nobody else should work for other promotions because WWE is so special. If your fired or quit. Might as well work at Wendys instead of looking to sign with TNA or ROH.

THAT IS the mind of a 10%er in the IWC. Anyone that doesn't think that way has every right to insult their dumbass bullshit. Just because you own a computer and go on forums doesn't make you one of them

 

[AntiChristDeicide]

no great lost. For satan's sake Red was in TNA on and off since day 1 and didn't improve. At least they cut him instead of leaving him there to rot. The only problem for Red is that WWE won't take him, and besides ROH there is no way Red is going to be seen on TV again ( unless he returns to TNA).

 

[ABMorales787]

In a way, it kinda makes me sad to see him go. With Homicide and Carlito gone, Red was the last PR on TV. Yeah, he was spotty and could probably trick a theater attendant into selling him kid tickets, but I still related to the guy. TNA oughta look into dipping into a more diverse international talent pool. They cross-over with so many promotions, but they don't borrow their talent for much of anything.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

I have always wondered why the IWC has such low self-esteem? if you are ranting on the "10%ers" then you are insulting yourself i think it matters more of what the fans attending your show think than to some person on the internet. i just hope they find some one who can flip like jack evans and talk like cm punk now that would be great addition to the x division.

Being part of the IWC and being a ten percenter are two different things.

The IWC just references fans who are in tune with the internet and use it to discuss and debate wrestling.

Ten percenters are overly critical smarks who think they have a better grasp on how to run and book a company than the men and women in charge who actually know how to run and book a company. They're also the same morons who think they're being funny when they turn their backs to the stage, boo faces and cheer heels and chant to break kayfabe because they know their smarky friends will laugh and "get it".

Not all smarks who post on an internet forum about professional wrestling are ten percenters.

 

[He's Phenomenal]

The only thing that surprises me about this is that it's taken this long to happen. And if anyone seriously complains about this, you need to quit being a Professional Wrestling fan and go watch ROH or some other Indy Promotion.

TNA are trying to distance themselves from being perceived as an Indy Promotion, hence taping on the road and releasing guys like Red and Gen Me. What do they bring to the table? In short, they have no long term value and everyone always love to go on about how TNA need to think long term. And the releasing of Red signifies they are looking to the future. They know Red will never be a star so what's the point in keeping him around?

TNA are focusing on guys with potential to become stars (Gunner, Crimson, Anderson, Bully Ray, Austin Aries, Brian Kendrick etc). They are no longer interested in just putting on matches with cool moves that ultimately mean shit in the broader picture. That catered to those 5 fans for years, now they're catering to the masses.