After Sunday does WWE have a choice???

[That N Word]

**OP NOTE: THIS ISN'T ANOTHER CENA HEEL TURN FANASTY THREAD. THIS IS A SERIOUS DEBATE***
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So on last weeks Raw you can argue Cena was showing a semi-heel promo. Before ending it kissing ass as usual. At one point in the promo I thought he did turn heel. In that promo I believe he said something along the lines of "People ask if I am sick of the wristbans and ball caps." Before taking both off and throwing them. After he stated "You want to see me turn you have your wish because I will be a monster." Fast Foward»» Sunday
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Brock Lesnar squashes Cena. After Cena is met with "Thank You Lesnar" and "Na Na Nah, Hey Hey Hey ... Goodbye" chants. Now after that I don't think it would be smart to have Cena come back a baby face. Unless he turns after NOC or pulls an AJ Styles leave for a while and return and turn heel. Don't give me that "he shouldn't because Merchandise or TV Ratings " or " He shouldn't for the kids" or "He shouldn't for Make-a-Wish." Because I honestly think Ambrose or Reigns new gear might just outsell his very soon. The kids are slowly turning on him. Even at SummerSlam he only had one person cheering for him. I surveyed about 23 kids at the Boys and girls club who all (but 3) said they were sick of him. You can also still do Make-a-Wish as a bad guy. Trips has done it, Orton has, The Shield has,The Wyatts has (well at least Bray),Jericho,HBK (after he turned on Bryan) and they just be babyfaces for it. But to my point after SS can we really buy that "Never Give Up" crap. I don't think it would make sense. But that's just me , what is your take and thoughts on this???

 

[L@RISANO]

I wouldn't turn him heel...but I would give him a tweak of some sort and make him a bit less kid friendly...surely that would refresh John Cena enough for fans to get invested in him again and such a change could well be "Best for Business",lMO. Maybe a change in attire might be good as well.



But, I feel he is going to come back next week and give another promo about never giving up, asking for a rematch and be granted....and he might crack a few jokes along the way to minimise the seriousness of the beating he suffered.

 

[MartialHorror]

I'm sort of split as to how this should go down. For this story to reach a proper conclusion, Cena does require vengeance. If not, then the Summerslam match was kind of wasted.

However, it also does give him an excuse to turn heel. But Brock can't be the face, so they'd have to drop that feud for awhile. I think the best way for Cena to turn heel is have him come out to rescue Daniel Bryan- when he returns, only to promptly destroy him. He would then blame the fans for turning on him and supporting Bryan. But with the booking so convoluted right now, I dont see where a Cena turn would fit.

Brock Lesnar is the main villain. If Cena turns heel, either Brock will undermine Cena's presence or vice versa (much like what is happening to Randy Orton right now). Even Cena's detractors would likely agree that if Cena turns heel, he should be the main villain. But Brock is filling that role, so an immediate Cena turn would only hold both men down for now.

 

[boywithbluehanger]

At this point, there is no sensible way to turn John Cena heel. If Cena didn't turn after losing on the grandest stage against the most successful WWE superstar of all time (when he proclaimed that he HAD to win that match because he'd be nothing if he lost), then nothing short of that causing him to turn makes any sense.

So given that there's no sensible way to do it, I feel creative can do whatever the hell they want now. The could ridiculously have him come back after a month or 2 absence with an entirely new attitude or gimmick. They could also nonsensically turn him heel with the explanation that since "we're" not for him, he's now against us. It doesn't need to go any deeper than that.

Cena is easily the best main-event wrestler on the mic in the WWE so I'm very curious to see if they finally take advantage of his skills and tweak his moral compass for once. It's a shame that Cena's legacy will culminate in probably the most boring compilation Bluray boxset of ALL time. An era of a revamped Cena would do he, up-and-comers, and the fans a lot of good. Cena's comfortableness speaking on the mic and in-ring endurance, would do wonders as a heel. I would tune in for months just to see him be a dick to everyone and then go on to destroy crowd favorites like DB, Ziggler, Cesaro, and RVD, etc. So I hope a heel-turn happens soon.

 

[Slash-LN]

I don't think he needs to turn heel.
I would like to see him show some of that ruthless aggression from his early days though.
Give him a little bit more of an edge.

If WWE is trying to keep Brock a heel then there's no sense for Cena to come back as a heel and chase the title.

If you want to look at a long term scenario where Cena is heel and you set something up for him to put a face over down the road then I guess that could work.

I just don't really see the need for it right now.

 

[The 1-2-3 Killam]

Turning Cena heel makes sense as a means to get the most out of his career possible. But I also understand them not doing it in the past. If now we're at a point where Lesnar beats Cena twice in a row, both in convincing, ungodly brutal fashion, then it's semi-safe to say (as safe as you can be betting against Cena) that he won't be getting the title back for a long time, if ever again as a babyface. You just can't come back from two back-to-back beatings like the one he got at SummerSlam. It wouldn't even make sense; not even for John Cena, the guy that overcomes EVERYTHING.

That said, it's John Cena. He inevitably overcomes everything. They do have the choice to keep him as is. There's always that choice. They have coasted on ratings, buyrates and merch sales with him in that position for years, through an entire "era" of the sport, so I see no reason they couldn't continue to do so.

I think WWE is looking to build the next huge star. Eventually Lesnar has to fall. Doesn't make sense for Cena to be that guy. Of course, we said the same thing about Lesnar not beating Undertaker, and look what happened there.

There's two options as I see things. Well, three if you count keeping him babyface. 1) Keep him babyface. 2) Wait until another star proves their drawing power as the top babyface, and then turn Cena, or 3) turn him now and push yourselves into a corner, being forced to replace John as the top star.

I like #3. I don't think WWE is ever going to create another mega-star while John is in that position. You just can't. He's going to be the most polarizing, most popular guy until they rip the option out of the fan's hands. Punk got close. He was even there at the top for a while. But you saw while he was on top, they still had Cena, and so they were never forced to fully rely on Punk to sell PPV as the top babyface.

Here's my question though - can WWE get John Cena and Brock Lesnar over as top heels at the same time? Let's say they turn Cena heel in the next couple of months. Or let's say he goes away, takes time off, heals his body, they build the next big star in his absence, and Cena comes back for WrestleMania and turns heel. Either way, during that time Brock Lesnar is probably going to be WWE Champion. I don't see anybody beating him after the way SummerSlam went down. So is there room to display both Brock and Cena as serious bad guys at the same time, without risking a diminish in both guys star power?

I think the roster is big enough they could both find room. One problem though, is that the writing team has proven to only have so much competency in the tank. They can only ever effectively book a handful of angles, and giving main event treatment to Lesnar and Cena simultaneously, assuming they're not in the same program, is going to be a problem creatively.

The other potential issue is that if Cena turns heel, it's going to be - it HAS TO BE - the biggest story. Reigns can't beat him a month later. He has to basically do what Lesnar is doing right now. And if he's the biggest heel, it makes no sense for him to be out of the championship picture. It also makes no sense for Lesnar to be booked as a babyface. So you've got a lot of potential roadblocks here.

I think the solution to everyone's problem is for Cena to lose at Night of Champions, come out on Raw and basically announce his "retirement". He takes time off, and comes back before WrestleMania. Put him in a big marquee match, and let him lose. He's still not 100%. At that point, Roman Reigns will be in position to beat Lesnar, with Brock's 3-year control expiring at the same time. Assuming he doesn't sign a new deal, Brock goes away and Cena turns heel, creating the next big program. How's that for fantasy booking?

Sorry for the book. Hopefully there's enough material there to spark some discussion.

 

[Pedigree1]

This is actually the most thought out 1,000 Cena heel turn that makes sense.. Fact is,Cena got destroyed at Summerslam never have i seen a champion just thoroughly destroyed like he was.. Some would say No Diesel beat Backlund in 8 seconds.. That was a squash,Lesnar just destroyed Cena..

Cena being Kid-friendly looked absolutely terrified of Lesnar.. That is a look that none of us has ever seen in him.. His mind wasn't right heading into the match and he lost the title before he even stepped foot into that ring.. Cena the guy who overcomes everything,was just out of his element..

A tweak is necessary IMO.. I said this in a earlier thread,to destroy the monster Lesnar Cena might have to ditch the Kid-friendly and turn into a beast himself.. I am talking of just beating the holy hell out of Lesnar.. Just assault him completely like he was!

The NOC match coming up raises big questions.. IF Cena loses what then? Does he come out and say he is stepping away for a bit? Most assume he will regain his title but then again we all said Undertaker would never lose at WM and looked what happened

 

[L@RISANO]

I'm sort of split as to how this should go down. For this story to reach a proper conclusion, Cena does require vengeance. If not, then the Summerslam match was kind of wasted.

However, it also does give him an excuse to turn heel. But Brock can't be the face, so they'd have to drop that feud for awhile. I think the best way for Cena to turn heel is have him come out to rescue Daniel Bryan- when he returns, only to promptly destroy him. He would then blame the fans for turning on him and supporting Bryan. But with the booking so convoluted right now, I dont see where a Cena turn would fit.

Brock Lesnar is the main villain. If Cena turns heel, either Brock will undermine Cena's presence or vice versa (much like what is happening to Randy Orton right now). Even Cena's detractors would likely agree that if Cena turns heel, he should be the main villain. But Brock is filling that role, so an immediate Cena turn would only hold both men down for now.

Tbh, depending on how the Roman Reigns and to a lesser extent, Dean Ambrose pushes go until Wrestlemania(assuming both have the crowd behind them as Babyfaces), coupled with a Daniel Bryan return in time to wrestle at the Big Event.....then, my fantasy Cena Heel turn would be completed in a match vs Daniel Bryan at Wrestlemania 31.


Especially now that the Bella twins will be going at it, maybe in some way through them, a feud can be started between their other halfs at some point, probably on the Road to Mania 31....

Anyways, my 2 Fantasy Co-Main Events for Wrestlemania 31 are:
Brock Lesnar vs Roman Reigns
John Cena vs Daniel Bryan

 

[Kidpolean]

People please stop with this crap...Cena is the WWE, probably more so than any wrestler outside of Hogan has been. He puts this company on his back. There are no faces even close to him. Not Reigns, not Ambrose, not DB....he has the MIC skills to carry feuds like no other face on the entire roster. Make him a heel, than what? Destroy Reigns on the mic every week. Have matches against faces that aren't on his level. Put the WWE in the hands of a bunch of unproven talent. Its easy to make a heel...faces are hard to create. Turning Cena heel makes NO SENSE from a business standpoint. None at all.

What's funny to me is how people on here, in other threads, are struggling to find a worthy opponent for Lesnar because the roster is so thin on quality faces but than you want to take the only legitimate proven face that the company has and turn him heel.

 

[kadroan]

It depends if they got somebody ready to step up to take Cena's spot at #1. Ambrose and Reigns are relatively young. Cesaro could have been that guy but they're taking it slow again.

Lesnar doesn't really have nobody in the company right now that could be his equal. Orton is a bad guy. Bryan is hurt. HHH is an authority figure. Batista and The Rock aren't active wrestlers. The heel turn could be worse than Austin's in 2001 or Goldberg's in 2000

 

[Terry Gyimah]

It seems Cena's heel turn needs to happen and honestly it should happen especially if they are either building Ambrose or Reigns up to be "The Guy" that ends up taking Cena's spot/place in the company then why not have Cena turn heel? He has been a good guy pretty much his whole career except when he first debuted he was a rapper heel but at the same time with Cena turning heel, it is actually a great business move certainly one that would revitalize Cena's career in fact it would probably at this point save his career

 

[Mudlup50]

I don't see how this is an obvious happening? Cena will come out and say that he has to rise above the hate/Lesnar, a rematch will happen at NoC and Cena won't get whipped as bad. But he'll lose. Cena doesn't need to turn heel for this. Cena will still be super Cena good guy. I don't think the WWE is setting to turn him because he got his ass kicked. If anything it's to make Brock look like a beast and to push Cena down the card a bit, something we've all wanted for a while now

 

[chuckmdubya]

At this point a heel turn would be pretty pointless I think. To half of the fans he already is pretty much a heel. His entire persona is built on him being all good. The only other time someone like him has turned was when Hogan went nWo. That would be nearly impossible to replicate. There things in this life that can only happen once. I don't think Cena could pull off what Hogan did.

 

[CrucifiedRaven]

They won't turn him.

The Night of Champions match will be booked as a much more even contest. In fact, it will even appear like Cena will have Lesnar beat until some outside interference (Batista, Cesaro, insert any heel here). This will be his "redemption" in that he had Lesnar beat, but then he will temporarily shift his focus to whoever they decide, while Lesnar disappears until probably Survivor Series.

 

[WBL]

As long as he's in the WWE, Cena will never turn heel, period. End of list.

Hogan was a face for his entire momentous run in WWE, not turning heel until he entered WCW. And when Hogan came back in the WWE nWo, that was super short-lived, he might as well have been a nostalgia face anyways, and he turned on the nWo and became a face again in short order.

At the height of his popularity, towards the end of the Attitude Era, they tried making Austin a heel, and that flopped horribly.

Cena's making them money with the lil chilluns. They're not gonna screw that up.

 

[Terry Gyimah]

Cena should be a heel I mean he keeps getting booed and not to mention his character has been stale for over a decade, it is time for a change really it is just time for a new era, time for a new Cena

 

[BestWrestlingOpinions]

I'm so fed up with Cena that I don't even care at the point. Face or heel or tweener or whatever the hell he is, I don't care. I just wish he gets even more destroyed at NoC, hopefully get injured and permanently retire. The shit he just pulled burying Bray was atrocious and if anyone had any doubts about burying Bray the first time around, this certainly cemented it, no pun intended.

My answer to your poll would be #5: I don't know if it will happen and Cena has damaged the product so much and I don't even care anyway.

 

[Mustang Sally]

There was a time no one could imagine Hulk Hogan playing a heel, even though he played one in the early 80's WWE while still working for Vince McMahon's father.....of course, that was too early for most of us to remember. Still, WCW got the job done in a manner his Hulkamaniacs of the mid-80's could never have imagined.

I'd take John Cena and make him as bad as they come. Not a tweak, but an explosion. Due to natural occurrences in the storyline (all the damn booing) there is ample reason for it. Most of the fans are still cheering him (I'm told) but the company can ignore that and have the Brock Lesnar fiasco alter his personality, kayfabe.

Marketers are worried his merchandise sales would suffer? Bullshit! They'd be higher than ever, with an entire line of "bad guy" products coming onto the market to trumpet Cena's heel turn.

Cena would continue to be the biggest thing WWE's got....and a brand new range of storylines would keep WWE Creative hopping with new possibilities.

It would be freakin' huge, I tell you.

Yes, WWE has a choice; there's always a choice....and after all, they've been reluctant to turn Cena all this time.

But he's a great good guy....and he'd be a great bad guy. If the boo-birds become conflicted in not having Cena to kick around.....too bad.

Do it, already.