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A Wholly Unnecessary Analysis of Women in WWE: The Main Roster Sucks, Go NXT

Con T.

Yaz ain't enough, I need Fluttershy
Breaking news guys; NXT's women's division is great, and WWE's main roster absolutely sucks. I know, I'll let you collect yourself.

There are plenty of reasons this is the case, and I'll just throw this out here now, so that we're all in understanding; the primary reason it's better, is because of the match quality. NXT's matches are better than WWE's matches, and consequentially, they are better. I wouldn't try to convince you otherwise.

Now, let me convince you of otherwise.

First, a little bit of context: in the media, there's a term thrown around (quite loosely, at least now) referred to as the Bechdel Test. For a movie/show/whatever to pass the bechdel test, the following must happen:

1. There must be at least two women in the film.
2. These women must actually talk to one another
3. About something besides a man.

Seems easy enough, donit? Welp, of the 5,913 movies in the database site tracking the bechdel test, only 58% of them pass this test. Granted, that's not exactly the largest sample size, but with such a simple qualifier, one would see it as really strange to see so many movies fail at least one of these rules.

And therein lies the underlying issue between NXT and WWE; NXT would largely pass the bechdel test, whereas WWE would fail. The motivations, hopes, and desires of women in the WWE are largely associated with a man, whereas in NXT, women are treated as independent entities (heh... Titties...)

It really didn't dawn on me, until I saw this comic from Botched Spot...

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People have already clamored (even here, on this very forum) that they don't like the pairing of Ziggler and Lana, and that it really takes away from their enjoyment of the Rusev-Lana angle. Lana deciding she no longer wants to be with the Super Russian brute is something most of us can relate to; we find ourselves cheering for Lana, hoping that she tells off Rusev. Even Rusev comes off as somewhat relatable, especially to the non-Yanks who want no part of the ritual jingoism that is America rules, and everyone else sucks. You understand each character's motivations, and in some way, you can find yourself seeing the truly human characteristics of each person.

And then, Lana fucking kissed Dolph Ziggler. On the exact same day she broke ties with Rusev. The exact same fucking day.

Further research will show that this is a common trope in WWE, as opposed to NXT, where you rarely (if ever) see the motivations of the women directly tied to a man, at all times. In the almost 3 years that it has aired, they've never once had a feud involving women fighting over a man, or a woman jumping from man-to-man to make them jealous. For the most part, the women aren't even involved with the men at all. They actually exist as independent entities. And in the one romance subplot they've had in all that time (Carmella/Enzo/Blake & Murphy) it was actually the men who were chasing after her, not the other way around. I mean, if you really want to be pedantic, you could argue that whole Johnny Curtis/Maxine...Thing. But by and large, the women are left to their own motivations. And the motivation is really simple; be the best, and win the Women's Title.

Sounds about right, yes? Now, let's take a look at the amount of romance angles run with women of the WWE, within that same three year span.

AJ Lee: (Oh God, because of course I have to do this one, first. No seriously, it's alphabetical.) AJ has been romantically linked to Daniel Bryan, CM Punk, Kane, John Cena, and Dolph Ziggler.

Aksana: Teddy Long and Cesaro

Alicia Fox: Holy Shit, none. Of course, it's worth mentioning that Alicia has also never really had a sustained push...

Beth Phoenix: None

Brie Bella: Daniel Bryan

Cameron: None

Emma: Santino Marella

Eve Torres: Zack Ryder and John Cena

Kaitlyn: Big E. (This may be me being pedantic, but I'm referring to the whole AJ-Kaitlyn-Big E feud...Thing.

Layla: Fandango and Adam Rose

Naomi: Whichever of the Uso she's marries to

Natayla: Tyson Kidd

Nikki Bella: None (at least on the main shows. Total Divas is not worth getting into now, and not my hill to die on.

Paige: AJ Lee (somewhat joking. Paige doesn't have any, and we'll discuss Paige in a bit

Rosa Mendes: Adam Rose, Fandango, and... Alberto Del Rio?!

This is, by and large, the main roster we have now. Going back and looking at it, I was shocked just how many angles were directly involved with relationships. More than anything else, it's funny just how poorly the story lines are put together. Lana and Rusev isn't the rarity; Or how everything Brie Bella says has to be connected to Daniel Bryan, like she has no other reason for being there. You also have Tamina, who after all these years is still nothing more than "The Usos' cousin." Emma, one of the most gifted early women of NXT, getting called up only to become Santino's awkward love interest. Summer, Layla, and Rosa - all of whom fought over Fandango, after which Rosa immediately ran into the arms of Adam Rose (again, you can't have her being single). Then you have Natalya, probably the best female wrestler in WWE, yet the sole focus of her character has been her marital problems with Tyson. And let's not forget all the crap AJ Lee had to go through before finally getting past the "crazy girlfriend" role.

I'm not saying romance shouldn't have a role in the wrestling world. When done right (Randy Savage and Elizabeth), it helps accentuate key components of characters. The problem becomes when the only motivation of the character is tied directly to her wanting of a man. And that happens in WWE, far more than it does in NXT. The women fight to become the best, and plays an actual role in the storyline. The storyline makes the match better, and forces the women of NXt to excel, in their desire to be the best.

See? It really isn't that hard.
 
The main roster divas have sucked for year's.. Some of the woman are talented but the booking is terrible.. NXT divas are so good because they have time to develop characters and tell stories in the ring.. WWE divas don't have that. Their matches are so short so what do you expect?.. Not the same people are booking NXT and RAW. If Triple H and the NXT creative team started controlling RAW you would see a drastic change in the divas division.

Not that i want to see a huge change, it's fine the way it is for me.
 
The primary reason for the difference in quality when it comes to women on the NXT roster and the main roster simple: different booking philosophies.

There's been no major shortage of talent or women with tons of potential on the main roster for a long time; in all honesty we've seen women in WWE over the past 5 years or so ranging from Gail Kim, the Bella Twins, AJ Lee, Paige, Alicia Fox, Naomi, Kaitlyn, Natalya and a few others who've had a lot to offer or, at least, have had a ton of potential as characters, inside the ring or both. However, Vince McMahon either has no interest in making women as relevant, or even remotely close to being as relevant, as the men on the roster, is interested but doesn't have the first clue to go about it, is interested but doesn't have the first clue how to go about it while simultaneously not listening to the advice of wrestlers or creative members that can tell him how, can't let go of most of his old school, male chauvinist view points or some combination of any or all of the above. In a recent Tweet, Gail Kim applauded Triple H's work with women in NXT while simultaneously taking a shot at Vince for not knowing how to use women. Now, that's not to say that the natural abilities, athleticism and charisma of these women don't play a factor as they obviously do. However, what good does all the great athletic ability, in-ring prowess and personality add up to when fans don't get a chance to see those qualities on display because Vinny Mac believes women are there to primarily look hot in skimpy and/or skin tight outfits?

IF various reports over the past few months since the "#GiveDivasAChance" thing happened on Twitter with AJ & Stephanie, Trips & Stephanie genuinely want to change the role of female wrestlers in WWE but the chief obstacle is the same one that it's always been: Vincent Kennedy McMahon. Until/Unless Vince has a dramatic change of heart in regards to the relevancy and potential of female wrestlers along with an updated booking style regarding said females or until/unless he steps down as CEO of WWE, there's no chance and the end the same glaringly obvious perspective will remain: female wrestlers in NXT are used in a FAR better way than what we've ever seen on the main roster.
 
I really hope the NXT Diva's really redefines on what a Diva actually stands for. Actually I'd rather they scrap calling women wrestlers Divas. When was the last time calling someone a Diva is a good thing. At least TNA called their women Knockouts which actually identifies them as women and that are physical.

But I like the NXT ladies such as Charlotte and Sasha Banks I really feel like we can potentially see a renaissance on women in the WWE. After years of the Bella's, Kelly Kelly and whoever it's quite refreshing. I still can't believe there was actually an era when Kelly Kelly was the face of the WWE Divas. LOL!
 
I could enjoy their wrestling more if 95% of the moves didn't involve the scream tennis players use everytime they hit a ball.
 
I actually enjoy the Knockouts on TNA more than the WWE Diva Division OR the Divas on NXT.

Because they do male-type matches.

TNA Knockouts have cage matches, they have Hardcore Matches, they have Last-Woman-Standing Matches. They have Gail Kim v Kharma main-event. They have Gail Kim v Taryn Terrell main-event. Knockouts take bumps.

The only times Divas do anything extreme are when I am playing WWE video games, where on WWE '13 and WWE2K14, you can use Divas in H-I-A-C matches and Divas MITB Matches.
 
Honestly, the only real TOTAL diva to be showcased on Raw during this PG era (post Trish and Lita), a span of almost 10 years, was AJ LEE.

She could talk, she could wrestle, she had charisma, she was hot, and she simply had "IT."

She was involved in major storylines with main eventers like Cena and CM Punk, and she was even Raw GM for a little while.

Its too bad she left while she was at the top of her game (despite horrible booking.)

Nikki, Bella, Tamina, Emma, Naomi---these divas cant hold a candle to the women of NXT.

The current crop of divas in NXT is so awesome right now with Charlotte, Sasha Banks, Becky Lynch, Bayley----if they could just unleash these women onto the main roster, and allow them to showcase their talents in NXT-esque type quality matches every Monday night on Raw, with an occassional main event spot to close out a show---this would immediately legitimize the Divas division as the real deal, and appeal to the mainstream audience.

And throw in a Rhonda Rousey guest spot here and there, msybe have her guest host an episode, culminating in a WM main event match with Stephanie Mcmahon---the womens division would easily be the hottest thing in pro wrestling, let alone entertainment
 
It all comes down to booking on the main roster. The women on the main roster aren't seen as equals to their male counterparts on the main roster. They are nothing more than "just a bunch of catty chicks, most of whom are mentally unstable." - Kevin Eck

The women on NXT have the trust and backing support of Triple H and others who help with NXT as a whole. Their given vignettes, backstage interviews, promos, video packages for their title matches, more time and trust in their abilities in the ring with storylines that revolve around being the best in the ring and wanting the championship. If you have the network, watch NXT - 5/6/15. On a program that is one hour, the show starts off with Emma vs Charlotte, with Bayley coming out to get her revenge on Emma. Then you have commentary hype of the NXT Women's Championship Match for NXT Unstoppable with a Becky Lynch vignette. Later in the show, Sasha Banks does a locker room promo. Later again on that show, Becky Lynch and Sasha Banks have a contract signing in the ring. After that, Dana Brooke does an interview on Charlotte. All of that on a one hour show. The Divas are lucky to get 3 minutes on a 3 hour Raw show.

The Divas need more than just a "We hear you, keep watching" tweet from Vince. Cause the result of that was to add a couple of minutes to their match and that was that. Some of the issues with the main roster Divas that aren't being said is the lack of moves that they are allowed to do and the style of matches they have. All they have is a kick, forearm, a slap, basic suplex, clothesline, many variations of a arm stretch, special move and finisher. Also, the fans make a huge difference between NXT and WWE, for both men and women. On NXT, the fans are smart and they make it more exciting and get behind wrestlers, especially the females and no matter if the match is ok or we're not worthy, they show the same respect for all. Main roster has mostly casual fans who either can't let go of the past or are precondition to dislike women wrestling.

The Divas Division won't change once the four horsewomen come up to the main roster. They will just fall in line and be used to the bookers liking. Change for the Divas Division starts with one person, and that's Vince McMahon.

And on a side note, I hope Triple H isn't waiting on Touch Enough contestants to fill the women's division when the big four get called up to the main roster.
Cause he needs to sign the women in independent. They messed up by letting Mia Yim slip through there fingers. I hope somebody has their eye on Athena, I want to see her on NXT. She is amazing.
 
Breaking news guys; NXT's women's division is great, and WWE's main roster absolutely sucks. I know, I'll let you collect yourself.

There are plenty of reasons this is the case, and I'll just throw this out here now, so that we're all in understanding; the primary reason it's better, is because of the match quality. NXT's matches are better than WWE's matches, and consequentially, they are better. I wouldn't try to convince you otherwise.

Now, let me convince you of otherwise.

First, a little bit of context: in the media, there's a term thrown around (quite loosely, at least now) referred to as the Bechdel Test. For a movie/show/whatever to pass the bechdel test, the following must happen:

1. There must be at least two women in the film.
2. These women must actually talk to one another
3. About something besides a man.

Seems easy enough, donit? Welp, of the 5,913 movies in the database site tracking the bechdel test, only 58% of them pass this test. Granted, that's not exactly the largest sample size, but with such a simple qualifier, one would see it as really strange to see so many movies fail at least one of these rules.

And therein lies the underlying issue between NXT and WWE; NXT would largely pass the bechdel test, whereas WWE would fail. The motivations, hopes, and desires of women in the WWE are largely associated with a man, whereas in NXT, women are treated as independent entities (heh... Titties...)

It really didn't dawn on me, until I saw this comic from Botched Spot...

11vimg5.jpg


People have already clamored (even here, on this very forum) that they don't like the pairing of Ziggler and Lana, and that it really takes away from their enjoyment of the Rusev-Lana angle. Lana deciding she no longer wants to be with the Super Russian brute is something most of us can relate to; we find ourselves cheering for Lana, hoping that she tells off Rusev. Even Rusev comes off as somewhat relatable, especially to the non-Yanks who want no part of the ritual jingoism that is America rules, and everyone else sucks. You understand each character's motivations, and in some way, you can find yourself seeing the truly human characteristics of each person.

And then, Lana fucking kissed Dolph Ziggler. On the exact same day she broke ties with Rusev. The exact same fucking day.

Further research will show that this is a common trope in WWE, as opposed to NXT, where you rarely (if ever) see the motivations of the women directly tied to a man, at all times. In the almost 3 years that it has aired, they've never once had a feud involving women fighting over a man, or a woman jumping from man-to-man to make them jealous. For the most part, the women aren't even involved with the men at all. They actually exist as independent entities. And in the one romance subplot they've had in all that time (Carmella/Enzo/Blake & Murphy) it was actually the men who were chasing after her, not the other way around. I mean, if you really want to be pedantic, you could argue that whole Johnny Curtis/Maxine...Thing. But by and large, the women are left to their own motivations. And the motivation is really simple; be the best, and win the Women's Title.

Sounds about right, yes? Now, let's take a look at the amount of romance angles run with women of the WWE, within that same three year span.

AJ Lee: (Oh God, because of course I have to do this one, first. No seriously, it's alphabetical.) AJ has been romantically linked to Daniel Bryan, CM Punk, Kane, John Cena, and Dolph Ziggler.

Aksana: Teddy Long and Cesaro

Alicia Fox: Holy Shit, none. Of course, it's worth mentioning that Alicia has also never really had a sustained push...

Beth Phoenix: None

Brie Bella: Daniel Bryan

Cameron: None

Emma: Santino Marella

Eve Torres: Zack Ryder and John Cena

Kaitlyn: Big E. (This may be me being pedantic, but I'm referring to the whole AJ-Kaitlyn-Big E feud...Thing.

Layla: Fandango and Adam Rose

Naomi: Whichever of the Uso she's marries to

Natayla: Tyson Kidd

Nikki Bella: None (at least on the main shows. Total Divas is not worth getting into now, and not my hill to die on.

Paige: AJ Lee (somewhat joking. Paige doesn't have any, and we'll discuss Paige in a bit

Rosa Mendes: Adam Rose, Fandango, and... Alberto Del Rio?!

This is, by and large, the main roster we have now. Going back and looking at it, I was shocked just how many angles were directly involved with relationships. More than anything else, it's funny just how poorly the story lines are put together. Lana and Rusev isn't the rarity; Or how everything Brie Bella says has to be connected to Daniel Bryan, like she has no other reason for being there. You also have Tamina, who after all these years is still nothing more than "The Usos' cousin." Emma, one of the most gifted early women of NXT, getting called up only to become Santino's awkward love interest. Summer, Layla, and Rosa - all of whom fought over Fandango, after which Rosa immediately ran into the arms of Adam Rose (again, you can't have her being single). Then you have Natalya, probably the best female wrestler in WWE, yet the sole focus of her character has been her marital problems with Tyson. And let's not forget all the crap AJ Lee had to go through before finally getting past the "crazy girlfriend" role.

I'm not saying romance shouldn't have a role in the wrestling world. When done right (Randy Savage and Elizabeth), it helps accentuate key components of characters. The problem becomes when the only motivation of the character is tied directly to her wanting of a man. And that happens in WWE, far more than it does in NXT. The women fight to become the best, and plays an actual role in the storyline. The storyline makes the match better, and forces the women of NXt to excel, in their desire to be the best.

See? It really isn't that hard.

But this is happening now.

Currently, the Bellas are feuding with Naomi, who is feuding with Paige. What are they fighting for - the WWE Divas' Title. Not a mention of a man in sight.

They have also had Stephanie McMahon interact with Divas, and not about men.

Also, about Divas not getting prominence. Brie and Stephanie closed Raw most weeks leading to Summerslam last year. Vickie threw Steph into mud last year as well. So, there are plenty of segments and matches featuring Divas, where their love life is not discussed.

In fact, I wondered if, when Nikki was a heel Divas Champion, when her boyfriend John Cena would come down and confront her about her behaviour. But it never happened, and their relationship has never even been acknowledged on "Raw" or "SD".
 

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