Argued against him once. Will do so again
It will always go back and forth, but thats fine. I liked HBK vs. Flair, but Edge vs. Taker was better. Really, it's arguing over nothing because WM 24 was solid.
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It will always go back and forth, but thats fine. I liked HBK vs. Flair, but Edge vs. Taker was better. Really, it's arguing over nothing because WM 24 was solid.
Muhammad Hassan was built around racism, kinda. Actually, Hassan was a face, he was an Arab American that felt wronged by the bigotry of White America after 9/11. It's actually a pretty damn good character. He pretty much throws the opinion of minorities and puts them in white America's face, and White America couldn't handle it, so they booed him. I liked the character, but he was terrible on the mic.
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
ahhhh Shocky, who accompanied me on my crusade against the overration of WM 17, and its whack ME happenings.
shayneomac
Dark Match Jobber
Forgotten classic moments:
1) Mike Tyson joins Degeneration-X
2) The building shaking during the Bret Hart / Stone Cold exchange in the opening of the 10 man tag match at In Your House Canadian Stampede
3) The Undertaker coming from underneath the ring to prevent Diesel from winning the WWF title against Bret Hart
4) The Ultimate Warrior's return at Wrestle Mania VIII
5) Kane's Debut (One of the few WWE stories where the ending was as good as everybody hoped it would be)
6) The Rock pretends to have a drink with Stone Cold Steve Austin & then stuns him for the first ever time
7) Stone Cold Steve Austin acting silly during Vince McMahon's speech ahead of the match against the Alliance
8) The chair shot that The Rock gave to Ken Shamrock
9) Kurt Angle & Ric Flair's Woo-Off, the night that Kurt Angle got drafted to Raw
10) Triple H tricks Stone Cold Steve Austin at the contract signing ahead of their match at No Mercy 2001
1) Mike Tyson joins Degeneration-X
2) The building shaking during the Bret Hart / Stone Cold exchange in the opening of the 10 man tag match at In Your House Canadian Stampede
3) The Undertaker coming from underneath the ring to prevent Diesel from winning the WWF title against Bret Hart
4) The Ultimate Warrior's return at Wrestle Mania VIII
5) Kane's Debut (One of the few WWE stories where the ending was as good as everybody hoped it would be)
6) The Rock pretends to have a drink with Stone Cold Steve Austin & then stuns him for the first ever time
7) Stone Cold Steve Austin acting silly during Vince McMahon's speech ahead of the match against the Alliance
8) The chair shot that The Rock gave to Ken Shamrock
9) Kurt Angle & Ric Flair's Woo-Off, the night that Kurt Angle got drafted to Raw
10) Triple H tricks Stone Cold Steve Austin at the contract signing ahead of their match at No Mercy 2001
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
LOL. I havent watched it since the live showing of the PPV. Seriously, the ending just marred it so badly. Add that to the fact that a WM main event shouldnt be based around the usage of weaponry. What the fuck is this, ECW? No. Its the main event of Wrestle damn mania. Hulk Hogan was rolling over in his tanning bed during this. U want a proper WM main event? See WM 24.
Shocky, what IS the best WM ever, in your opinion?? and whatd u think of the big list at the beginning of this thread?
Shocky, what IS the best WM ever, in your opinion?? and whatd u think of the big list at the beginning of this thread?
Exactly. The funniest thing is, the people that tend to bash ECW the most are the ones that praise the Austin Rock match at Mania 17 the most, and it was the main event most similar to an ECW match. The match was so ridiculous with guys getting hit with chairs a dozen times, kicking out of a dozen finishers, oh wait, that's because "BY Gawd both guys refuse to lose, that's how much the WWE title means to both men" gag me.
Best WM Ever, that's tough. I'm in the minority of thinking that 20 was a damn good show, especially considering it was five hours long. Guilty pleasures with Kane and Taker and Goldberg vs. Lesnar. But Cage vs. Jericho was solid, Cena vs. Big Show was solid, Evolution vs. Rock And Sock was solid, Angle vs. Guerrero was damn good, and the main event was obvious. Why Wrestlemania 20 doesn't get more love, I'll never understand why. Wrestlemania 22 was great as well. I love smarky crowds, so 20 and 22 were great in my opinion. I know it's too soon, but I feel Wrestlemania 24 maybe the best yet. The main event I thought was solid, and I seriously think it was the best main event of the last decade for sure, it was that damn good. And Wrestlemania 19 was probably one of the most solid shows the WWE has put on as well. That's 4 Wrestlemanias since 17 that I think were better. 17 is a good show, don't get me wrong, but not the best.
I'll get to that list
It's overrated the same way Hogan/Warrior is overrated. I liked Rock/Austin, all of them just because of the build up, and atmosphere of the two biggest stars of that era colliding, which is why it gets overrated by many, same with Hogan/Warrior, that match was complete shit, but back in it's day with pretty much a whole different set of fans, they loved it. Fans now will probably look at that match as utter shit, and rightfully so. It was unbearable to watch.
First of all, you gotta take this list with a grain of salt. It's obviously Hogan era and beyond in my opinion.
I'll continue on, maybe, there's a lot.
No brainer, this was the event that shocked the wrestling world and started the Monday Night Wars. Hogan turning heel was blasphemous and unthinkable.
I'm Meh on this one at being #2. But You have to remember context of the times. It was important and it was the passing of the torch to Hogan for good.
LAWLZ. Seriously, someone is a big mark on this one. It would have been bigger if it was a shock and everyone didn't know it was coming. It was big in the fact that the WWE was now successfully stealing guys from WCW and that wasn't the trend before this (Big Show). It was cool, but certainly not top 5.
Either number 2 or 3. How they rank Jericho above the dawn of Austin 3:16 is mind boggling numb.
Look at the hate coming in on this pick. This is correct. This was the single most violent and brutal moment in the history of the WWE. The match was shit but you almost watched someone die. This one moment cemented the Hell in the Cell as the most deadly match in the WWE. Plus, Foley said it, and I'll agree with it. Flair called Foley a glorified stuntman, but Foley's comeback was priceless, I'll paraphrase. You maybe a 16 time world champion, but more people will remember me for falling off of a cage then your title reigns. Mick Foley is god.
The build up was great. So if this includes the build up, then yes. This was a terrible match, more over rated then the WM 17 match.
Important do to the fact of changing the Monday Night War forever, don't know if it's top ten or not.
Emotional moment, number one with him and Guerrero. Best moment ever.
If this was referring to the 1997 MSG stunner, then certainly top ten worthy. That was the dawn of McMahon vs. Austin, so very important. If this is just a generic slot for the 1000's of times it's happened afterwards, then shit.
Correction, this is #2. How the Screwjob is this far down is beyond me. It changed the course of the WWE forever. (Instead of having Hart's in charge we're stuck with the Kliq in charge).
I'll continue on, maybe, there's a lot.
What you mean the incredible heat that Michaels gets every time he steps foot north of the border? The entire Mr. McMahon character coming from "Bret Screwed Bret", the dozens of Screwjob angles going into or occuring at pay per views since then? Hell, WM 22 was built around Harts Hall of Fame induction and Michaels vs. McMahon being a part of that. The Screwjob has been a big part of the business since then.
Yeah that list is kinda hard to judge. The event itself is still big though. It was the last match of the guy that was tied for the most WWF title reigns with Hogan, a title did change hands, and Mr. McMahon was born. That alone is pretty eventful.
But all of the storylines and scenarios that have occured since then wouldn't have happened without it. So stand alone, it's big, maybe not number two, but over all with the waterfall effect, it's pretty damn high.
But all of the storylines and scenarios that have occured since then wouldn't have happened without it. So stand alone, it's big, maybe not number two, but over all with the waterfall effect, it's pretty damn high.
schaeffershawn
Pre-Show Stalwart
we kind of got of topic from what I ment which is the short attention span of the modern fan. think about it teh only time one of the greats from yesteryear are even remembered is during the one hour hall of fame. And most people know shit about the guys who were the first inductees to that.
Then the character was racist.
The angle itself was not.
No, he's not. Mr. America said he wasn't, and Mr. America wouldn't lie.
No, it was a great show, and Hogan's part was the best.
K.
I find your interpretation of that to be far more racist than the angle itself.
I mean, is Booker T punching out Robert Roode, then a racist angle? You know, the poor black boy, who grew up on the hard streets of Harlem, punching out the rich white guy?
No. It's the good guy hitting the bad guy.
Trying to insert racism where it's not is a far worse thing in my mind.
If you want to say the Hussan gimmick was racist, whatever. I would argue that it wasn't racist, but rather stereotypical, but whatever.
The angle itself, though, was not. There's a major difference.
No, both are as a result.
You've got me there.
LIES! Sickening lies!
Abbreviating an abbreviation? That's not cool.
I'll discuss this with my fellow skinheads.
No, because it's not nearly on the level of racial tension between Americans and Islam in general. America is at war with terror, the number one adjective used for terrorists in America? "Arab." Who's the "real American" kicking the crap out of? The Arab whose gimmick you've already admitted is racist.
Yes, on the most basic level imaginable.
You're removing the racism from the situation. It's there.
Stereotyping races, particularly negatively, is racist.
Like I've said both were. It borders on racist. It was charged with racial undertones, as NorCal has said, at the very least.
No.
You have to remind me when I'm at home, and have time. Well, just remind me when I'm at home, and I'll figure out when I have time. Remind me again in about 8 hours.
schaeffershawn
Pre-Show Stalwart
also not on the list was Pedro Morales becoming the first non-white WWWF champion, Tony Atlas and Rocky Johnson becoming the first black WWF tag Champs, Ron Simmons becoming the first Black world champion, DAMN, I would think that would be a pretty important happening. It is interesting to note of the 100 90 take place between 1990 and now, the 9 take place in the eighties and the last one being the American Dream Dusty Rhodes could be argued took place between the 70's and now.
*Waits*
FromTheSouth
You don't want it with me.
WOw, this list is composed of a 19 year old kid. Everything is from the last 12 years. It's like his dad was sitting there telling him who the Von Erich's were.
Hogan joing in nWo is number 1 though. I'd put the Invasion second and Y2J's undisputed title third. Then I'd put Flair and Race.
Did you guys see that he put Mae Young and Mark Henry? One of the top 100, when most fans put that is the bottom ONE. LOL, what a tool.
Hogan joing in nWo is number 1 though. I'd put the Invasion second and Y2J's undisputed title third. Then I'd put Flair and Race.
Did you guys see that he put Mae Young and Mark Henry? One of the top 100, when most fans put that is the bottom ONE. LOL, what a tool.
Rated K for Kennedy... Kennedy!
Talk loud, hit harder!
You mean HBK vs HBK right? I mean mad props tp Flair, but I've never seen anyone carry a match like that since Taker V Mankind HIAC and Foley was out cold!
Either way was a great match, and seeing Cena lose at Mania makes it my fave!
