And everytime someone gets beaten down by a group of heels only to join them a week later is also the worst booked angle in history.
Yes, usually it's pretty bad and I will question it every time. In this case though, it wasn't the beatdown we're talking about. It's that Abyss specifically said that THEY would come in and put Hogan and Bischoff out of jobs. Not insinuation, not a small piece like the rest of this story people are putting together now. This was the MAIN thing behind Abyss' heel turn. He found people better than Hogan to believe in and said THEY would drive Hogan and Bischoff out. THEY were Hogan and Bischoff. You have not convinced me that this remotely makes sense and I doubt you can. I doubt anyone can.
No it wasn't.
It really wasn't.
How would it have made sense? How would Heyman have taken over? Him and what army? Also if Hogan and Bischoff are so dumb how come the nWo is bigger than anything Heyman ever did? Heyman wouldn't have worked.
We can agree to disagree about Heyman but I do believe this story would have at least included him. This was the guy TNA wanted when ratings started to tank and they did not get him. If you want to believe it was this story from the beginning, go ahead. I don't think it's the case and I believe Abyss' first promo is reason enough to justify my position. As far as my comment about Hogan and Bischoff, it's sort of a funny thing I say but it's more than I don't respect Bischoff one bit. I have read his book and a lot of others in the business, and I do believe him to be quite overrated as a wrestling brain and as a person in general. Keep in mind this is the man that believes (and said so a couple of months ago) that guys who are already names are the only people that can draw. He also said that Steve Austin would never draw money in wrestling and was one of the first people he fired while in charge. I can go on and on about him, and I believe Hogan is just an ego guy who needs to keep himself in the spotlight. Because of his run in the 80s and because Bischoff stroked his ego in the 90s, Hogan believes that HE is the key to anything in wrestling being successful. This is why his crippled ass came out to the ring and took way too long to set up Jeff turning. It made the whole thing not believable because Angle and Anderson were down too long for what happened to them, but needed to wait for Hogan to be in the ring. Start another thread about Bischoff because I can go on all night about him. He had 1 good idea and has lived off it forever. Hell, this reveal was basically the same as Bash at the Beach 96 so you can see those creative juices flowing!
If you've been following the deception angle it makes perfect sense, now we know why Jarrett went from being against Hogan and Bischoff to suddenly warming up to them immediately after Foley was fired. It also explains why Sting attacked him.
Good point about Jarrett. I don't necessarily remember him warming up to Hulk, but I do remember Foley being fired (and then somehow came back but besides the point). The deception part does make sense. I get that Sting saw that Hogan and Bischoff were bad all along. However, it was played out very, very poorly and anyone who has followed the product can see that. Deception is fine, but it still doesn't explain Abyss' promo, nor does it explain why they had to go with this plan when they had power anyway (remember, Dixie gave Hogan all the power he wanted when he came in. That is true in the storyline and in life). Thus, why did they need to deceive people for so long?
This event just happened and They haven't had a chance to explain their motiviation, pipe down.
I am thoroughly looking forward to the explanation. Not because I believe it will be great (Jeff Hardy will talk so it negates greatness haha), but because I want to see how these "geniuses" will explain all the holes I'm pointing out. My guess is that they ignore them and hope the fans do too. I'm sure some will, but I certainly can't. As a writer myself, I cannot ignore plot holes.
Jeff's turn was a "bit of a shock"? It was huge, he's been a megaface for years, his only heel run was in the 90's as part of the Brood. On top of that he's the champion now as well. No one saw either of those things coming. And again there hasn't even been time for these guys to explain their motivation and you've already decided it sucks, so douchey.
Ok, I'll give you that it's shocking, but it's not huge. Someone was going to turn and it was Hardy. He was the least likely, unless you were in my buddy's living room. We said at 9 o'clock after Jeff's promo:
"you know, Jeff has not been talked about AT ALL with this title match, so knowing wrestling booking, he will win"
"but what about Angle's stipulation?"
"he won't get pinned, so they'll cheat their way out of it."
"ok, but how will Hardy win."
"he'll be in THEY somehow. It won't make sense, but that's what TNA will do."
I know you will not believe me, and I personally don't care if you do. It's irrelevant. It was shocking to most and I give credit for that. Most who don't think the way I do didn't see it coming and that's fine. Even I doubted that it would actually come to fruition, it was actually just a line we threw out there and didn't really believe. The thing is though, Jeff isn't a megastar. He was a popular wrestler in WWE that was booked just poorly enough for wrestling fans to basically knock him down a peg. I guess he's at the top of the TNA foodchain..........if you forget that A.J. Styles who got pinned by Tommy Dreamer, was the PWI top wrestler of the year, but Jeff is not someone I like and I never have. I also think that the WWE machine got the most out of him but he has been nothing in TNA. Maybe this heel turn will help him, but I'm not buying him as anywhere close to as big a cog as Hogan in 1996. Only Angle could have matched that, though that story wouldn't work. Angle would have been a late cog "making a deal with the devil" when he feared his career was in danger. That would have led to him being in THEY but not liking it and eventually having them screw him for a new guy and Angle going full face, which would have been a much better story. Even still, THEY being Hogan and Bischoff doesn't make any sense and you have only made 1 decent point about Jarrett. Until further notice, I'm still not buying it.
I also do not like that you resorted to name-calling in your post. In no way have I ever done that to anyone and I don't expect it in return. We can disagree and have intelligent conversation, but please try and keep it intelligent. I've seen you post and i know you are more than capable. I respect you as a poster, and I hope you respect me. Please don't take that away by resorted to names and childish banter. I know we are better than that.
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