Pro Wrestling vs MMA

[Slim Pickns]

This being a wrestling board would make it seem like this isn't needed. Wrestling, should most certainly gather more interest than MMA on a forum title Wrestlezone. However, we do have a few resident MMA fans here that I know are dying not only to do away with the MMA bashing that goes on here, but maybe if get a few of you guys to watch as well. It is still growing in popularity and is not going away soon.

Now, in no way am I bashing pro wrestling here. What I am pointing out is why I started turning to MMA over Pro Wrestling some years ago.

First and foremost, MMA is legit. I will never doubt the true athletic abilities of the WWE, TNA, or any indy superstars. There are for the most part legit athletes. However, the outcome of their matches are determined on who entertains the most, not who is the more impressive specimen. Plus, I can't even count on how many time I have heard people complain that they new *random wrestler* was going to win the Royal Rumble, World Title, or whatever match they were in. When you get into MMA and get behind a certain fighter or fighters, you never know whether they will win or not. Since most of you seem to like to go for the shock factor than maybe MMA is a better choice than the WWE.

MMA is also a true sport that is all about honor. Though it is marketed as a bloodsport because that is what gets people to watch, MMA fighters have nothing but respect for their opponents. I trained at Brock Lesnar and Sean Sherk's gym for a while. The jujitsu students who defeated me simply told me what I did wrong and how to fix it. I was simply amazed that 20 some year old males didn't rub it in that they just whooped my ass. I'm not saying there isn't honor in WWE, but I am saying you won't have an MMA superstar politic his way to the top. More importantly it shows that when people bash MMA for being a bloodsport (Bill O Riley, I'm looking at you), it only shows their ignorance to the sport.

So which do you prefer? Pro Wrestling? MMA? Both? Why do you chose to watch one and not the other, or why do you get into both.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I'm naturally all about watching Professional Wrestling. I've watched it growing up and I haven't looked back since. Of course I realize and understand that the Pro Wrestling industry is one big "male Soap Opera" and everything is staged to the point of nothing being misunderstood regarding winners, losers and overall outcomes. But that doesn't make it any less entertaining, mainly because "I" still don't know who the winner or loser is going to be on most occasions.

Sure, if Triple H. went up against C.M. Punk (for example) I could easily say there isn't a doubt in my mind that Triple H. will squash Punk in a moment's notice. But if it were flipped in the M.M.A. world, since Punk understands a style of fighting, one could argue that he'd have Triple H.'s number.

Overall, I can't seemingly get into M.M.A. and the U.F.C. most of all, because it's limited in what they do. Punches, Kicks, Chokes. That's about it. And while the argument could be made that Professional Wrestling is limited in itself, the fact is it offers a lot more through the view point of entertainment than your average stiff punch, kick or choke hold.

Wrestling is about entertaining the fans. Not kicking and beating the living shit out of your opponent. That's why it's called Sport's "Entertainment". And not listed as just a sport.

Still, it's hard pressed for me to sit down and watch an M.M.A./U.F.C. event without feeling like I could easily just go to the local bar during "Happy Hour" and see the same thing, minus a cage surrounding them that ratherly ever gets used, if at all.

 

[Slim Pickns]

That right there was the type of post I was looking for.

First of all, saying MMA is just punches, kicks, and chokes is like me watching one WWE PPV and saying all pro wrestling is just guys dressing up and fake fighting. You can take anything down to its most basic core and make it sound like shit. The fact is that MMA involves striking (punches and kicks) to various parts of the body, takedowns, submissions, and stamina. Some fighters try to outlast and pick apart their opponents while some go in right for the kill knowing that they do not have the endurance that their opponent does.

Also, you saying they never use the cage leads me to believe you haven't watched an MMA event. First of all, not all organizations use a cage, some use rings similar to wrestling. Second, the cage is used in nearly every fight. Ground and pound specialist will take an opponent down and press them near the cage to limit their movement. Dangerous clinch fighters will try to grab and opponent and pummel them against the cage, landing huge blows while having them trapped.

Any of these guys you see here would annihilate those idiots who fight at the local bar that you speak of. These guys are trained fighters, not dumb asses in a slugfest.

 

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Professional wrestling has more 'drama' in it. Why? Because you build up a match from the start to the 'finishing end', take Batista vs Undertaker at WM 23. Last Ride, kick out. Spinebuster, kick out. So on, so on until the Tombstone ended it.

I'm more confident in spending money on a WWE PPV headlined by John Cena vs Batista because I know for a fact I'm gonna get drama and entertainment. An MMA main event could be over 10 seconds into the first round for all I know.

Therefore, I prefer to watch Pro Wrestling, although I respect both disciplines.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

First of all, saying MMA is just punches, kicks, and chokes is like me watching one WWE PPV and saying all pro wrestling is just guys dressing up and fake fighting. You can take anything down to its most basic core and make it sound like shit.

In the end though, technically that's exactly what Wrestling is. Two (or more) guys (or girls) dressed up in a shiny outfit and fake fighting. Of course it's going to sound stupid when addressed like that.. much like M.M.A./U.F.C. is punching, kicks and chokes.. but when you break it down, that's it.

Now the key is to actually take it a step further and ask what does it offer throughout?

Sure, in the end Pro Wrestling is always going to be one or more guys in a single match that will have a winner and a loser. But they add gimmicks that add value and entertainment. Ladders, Cages, Weapons, Teams, & unique things such as Inferno and Buried Alive matches. All of those "gimmicks" add another level to just "two dressed up fake wrestlers".

What's the alternative to two guys who're punching, kicking and choking each other? In the end, isn't it always going to be just that? Sooner or later people get tired of seeing two wrestlers having a single's match.. which is why a gimmick is added. So what makes watching the same exact match in M.M.A. (first one to tap, or pass out, right?) something long term, without growing bored after the first 10-20 fights?

The fact is that MMA involves striking (punches and kicks) to various parts of the body, takedowns, submissions, and stamina. Some fighters try to outlast and pick apart their opponents while some go in right for the kill knowing that they do not have the endurance that their opponent does.

The technique involved is interesting, but boiled down it's just regular stragedy to a basic fight which isn't something outrageously creative. I admit I haven't watched an M.M.A. fight, if U.F.C. isn't considered just that. I've only watched a select few, and will further look into watching more to get a better debate going.. however, what I have seen, it's all the same.

Two guys, looking to defeat the other. (Which is exactly what Pro Wrestling is as well) Yet unlike Wrestling, nothing new is ever brought in to my knowledge. So boiled down, how does it keep from getting stale, boring and old after the first few fights?

Also, you saying they never use the cage leads me to believe you haven't watched an MMA event. First of all, not all organizations use a cage, some use rings similar to wrestling. Second, the cage is used in nearly every fight. Ground and pound specialist will take an opponent down and press them near the cage to limit their movement. Dangerous clinch fighters will try to grab and opponent and pummel them against the cage, landing huge blows while having them trapped.

I guess I'm just not huge into watching what could look similar to a real life fight between two trained fighters. If the cage is involved, I suppose using it to pin your opponent is optionable, however once again I'm falling back to after a while the total lack of options just makes the event boring.

Any of these guys you see here would annihilate those idiots who fight at the local bar that you speak of. These guys are trained fighters, not dumb asses in a slugfest.

Not withstanding, I'm sure my 2 year old could annihilate a couple drunk brawlers. But the point I was making is when comparing Pro Wrestling to M.M.A./U.F.C. fights..

in Pro Wrestling it's choreographed which adds more of a movie-feel to it. You're always going to see something different out of each match, each wrestler. And you can't get that out of two drunks.

Whereas in M.M.A./U.F.C., dispite everyone having or being capable of having a different fighting style.. it's still punching, choking, kicking, and unique stagedies on how to win. I'll add takedowns, and leg locks, because I've seen some of those too.

The point is though, Wrestling adds more to my eyes. It's constantly giving me something new, even if in the end I'm actually watching the same thing, just reoccuring at different points of the match.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Professional wrestling has more 'drama' in it. Why? Because you build up a match from the start to the 'finishing end', take Batista vs Undertaker at WM 23. Last Ride, kick out. Spinebuster, kick out. So on, so on until the Tombstone ended it.

I don't think you could really say that an M.M.A. match-up couldn't withhold the type of build-up or drama that a Wrestling contest could.

Sure, the overall match between Taker and Batista for example was dramatic, but at the same time you really knew in your heart the Undertaker was going to win because of the setting. Wrestlemania.

And I've seen situations with returning U.F.C. fighters, coming back to prove they still have it. While I haven't witnessed the matches, the build-up to their returns just in televised promos alone have been filled with a lot of drama and anticipation.

And within those matches, what sets them apart from the W.W.E. (drama wise) is the fact that unlike knowing deep down that the Undertaker is assured to win.. you don't know that the returning U.F.C./M.M.A. legend will infact win.

I'm more confident in spending money on a WWE PPV headlined by John Cena vs Batista because I know for a fact I'm gonna get drama and entertainment. An MMA main event could be over 10 seconds into the first round for all I know.

A very good point. This also fills in with Boxing. A lot of times, boxing Main Event's are hyped world wide and end within 30 seconds of the opening round. It's very disappointing and that's why I don't watch boxing.

I love the fact that in Main Event's of Pro Wrestling on a Pay Per View I'm spending upwards of $40.00 and $50.00 on, I'm going to get a good decently long match, one way or another. (barring a major injury)

U.F.C. events have found themselves up around the $40.00 and $50.00 range I do believe (not certain) and I would really be disappointed to purchase one looking forward to any one specific match, only to see it ended within 5 minutes, or less.

 

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Sure, the overall match between Taker and Batista for example was dramatic, but at the same time you really knew in your heart the Undertaker was going to win because of the setting. Wrestlemania.

And I've seen situations with returning U.F.C. fighters, coming back to prove they still have it. While I haven't witnessed the matches, the build-up to their returns just in televised promos alone have been filled with a lot of drama and anticipation.

And within those matches, what sets them apart from the W.W.E. (drama wise) is the fact that unlike knowing deep down that the Undertaker is assured to win.. you don't know that the returning U.F.C./M.M.A. legend will infact win.

True. You do often get instances where the outcome of a match is obvious. (Triple H returning at SummerSlam 07) But I'll let that slip through the net as on that same PPV you had a 50/50 contest between Randy Orton and John Cena. Most PPVs have a saving grace in the form of a high quality match that you can't call. You do obviously get some stinkers (Triple H vs Khali....) but a match like Edge/Undertaker or the interesting Raw title scene or something else will make you buy it.

We both agree though, shiny outfits and fake fighting over the real thing any day

 

[Crush1]

I love to watch pro wrestling and mixed martial arts here's my take on why

Mixed Martial Arts: MMA is a real competitive sport, it uses a lot of wrestling based moves and legitimative fighting moves.The reason i watch it is because i am practicing martial arts myself the things like ortiz or couture do are amazing and it can be used in real life.I just love to fight and watch others fight nothing more and nothing less.

Pro Wrestling (i will refer it as the wwe): Now this is a funny story, my friend who is a huge wrestling fan told me that mma was boring and watching pro wrestling is more fun i told him to stop watching that useless crap and told him it's fake.He told me that the stunts they do are real so i decided to try it for once.My first ever match that is saw was the pay-per-view of the royal rumble i believe it was The Hardyz vs MNM.I was hooked it was incredibly fun to watch the stunts the promo's the entrance music the fans i never got this feeling watching mma so i decided to watch it for a while and from that day forward i havent missed a single episode of raw, smackdown and yes ecw.

So to make it clear that you can watch both it just depends on what you like, i personally like the storybuilding of the wwe matches and the real matches of the mma and i've discovered wrestling has a lot to do with mma but again it depends on what you like for me luckily i like both xD

 

[jmt225]

You know why I got into MMA? Because when I'm watching a fighter I heavily root for (Lesner, Tito, the Diaz bros, Gina Carano, among others), it makes me feel like a kid again when I would watch Bret Hart and Sting and hope to God they would win their match. Today in pro wrestling, I don't get that feeling for anyone. I'm a huge fan of CM Punk, Bryan Danielson, Cena, Edge, Kendrick, and a couple of others, but when they win a big match, I just feel a little happy for them, and when they lose a big match, I feel it was the wrong choice made by management. But it never gets me up and out of my chair anymore, yelling at the TV for Punk to beat Batista's ass like I would for Sting to beat Vader’s ass or for Diesel to kill The Undertaker. However, if Punk and Batista were in the octagon, my heart would be beating non-stop and I'd be just going wild every time someone did something significant. I can't get that for wrestling anymore. The last time I got really nervous and excited during a match was RVD vs. Cena at One Night Stand 2006, and that was only because of two things: A) I desperately wanted RVD to win and B), I really thought those motherfuckers were on the verge of rioting. That match was fucking intense and nerve-racking as hell, and I highly doubt they'll ever be another wrestling match that I'll get that excited or nervous for while I'm watching. However, when it comes to MMA, all their needs to be for my heart to be racing is someone I care for to be in the octagon or ring.

 

[Frank the Frowner]

Sure, wrestling has it's share of excitement. There are wrestlers that I enjoy watching, and there are plenty of matches over the years that have been exciting. The storylines, if done right, can be captivating, as well as the promos.

The thing is, some of the guys the WWE push are quite frankly, boring to watch, and the storylines can really be bad. Let's take Batista and The Undertaker for instance. Both guys have major backstage influence, therefore they get major television time, and are always in the title hunt. They bore the shit out of me. The storylines can also be a major hindrance in enjoying the product. For every Jericho/HBK feud, there's another major angle with Vince McMahon where he's either dead, or has a bastard son. And instead of the former getting a good deal of TV time, the latter gets a lot of screentime (although I will admit that they haven't given his accident angle a lot of tv time... yet). And with The Great Khali getting back into a World Title program, I'm going to not even bother watching Smackdown again. The guys who deserve to get pushed don't get pushed. CM Punk is the freshest champion there's been in quite some time.

You can argue all you want about getting your dollar's worth with a WWE PPV, but don't forget that Edge vs. Taker has now been booked on 5 of the last 7 pay per views. Do you really want to plop down another $40 to watch a match between those two in a match where you already know who's going to win? I'd rather watch a match that could end in the first two minutes of round one than a plodding Batista or Undertaker match.

When you watch an MMA match, you know that both guys have been working their asses off for months just for this one fight. There is never the same match over and over again. The next time Griffin and Rampage fight each other, it's going to be an event, because the first fight was so good. Sure, a wrestling match is exciting to watch when you see it in the main event for the first time, but after being run on ppv after ppv, something's gotta give.

There's also the chance that ANYTHING could happen. Did anyone foresee a young unknown Brazilian named Gabriel Gonzaga beating Mirko Cro Cop? Not only was it a complete shock when he won, but it was a very exciting moment when it did happen. There's nothing cooler than when a young unknown defeats a well-known name to make a bigger name for themselves. Nobody thought much of Lyoto Machida until he defeated Tito Ortiz. Now he's getting the recognition he deserves.

And there is nothing more exciting than seeing an awesome knockout take place live. I don't care that Wanderlei Silva vs. Keith Jardine was over in less than a minute. I marked out watching Wanderlei pounding the shit out of Jardine more than I did watching any WWE PPV in ages. Like I said, quality is better than quantity. Give me a quick and exciting match any day of the week over a slow and plodding match.

There's so much more to MMA than just punching, kicking, and choking. There's the art of how the two fighters get into it against each other. It's also very exciting to see a fighter caught in a submission hold try to find his way out of it. The damage the fighters can take during a three round fight is also extraordinary, and it only adds to the drama. Perfect example: I never really knew who Spencer Fisher and Sam Stout were before I watched their bloodbath, and now I go out of my way to make sure I watch their fights.

The UFC also gives guys a chance to succeed, whereas in the WWE, it's the same guys in the World Title hunt. They're not afraid of throwing unknowns into the fire against proven guys.

If I order a UFC event, I know I'm going to get my money's worth. I know I'm going to get great commentating, which to me, makes or breaks a fight. I know I'm going to be entertained, whereas the WWE has a track record of putting on good PPVs when they want.

 

["Rush" GSP]

I see this thing getting heated quickly. I have watched pro werestling since i was a young kid but i can honestly say i'm more interested and entertained now by mma and UFC in particular. Both businesses are filled with athletes no questions about it. To take the abuse that pro werestlers do is amazing but at the same time its not a true punch hitting them that is why mma fighters fight every few months.

If it came down to a five on five bar fight i would easily take an UFC team over a WWE team anyday regardless of how big the WWE team might be muscualar wise.

 

[BigDaddyT]

Professional wrestling has more 'drama' in it. Why? Because you build up a match from the start to the 'finishing end', take Batista vs Undertaker at WM 23. Last Ride, kick out. Spinebuster, kick out. So on, so on until the Tombstone ended it.

I've seen too many matches to count that have the same drama you speak of. For instance, there have been matches where someone will get rocked by a punch and stay on his feet, lock in a submission in which his opponent reverses until eventually the fight is ended. Not only does this have the same amount of drama, but it is also more unpredictable and thus more dramatic because you never know how the fight is going to end. Taker is gauranteed to end the match with a tombstone or that submission vickie banned.

more confident in spending money on a WWE PPV headlined by John Cena vs Batista because I know for a fact I'm gonna get drama and entertainment. An MMA main event could be over 10 seconds into the first round for all I know.

Its the reality in MMA that adds to its drama. You may get a ten second contest in every match of the card. But who doesnt enjoy seeing somebody get laid out in the blink of an eye? If you're there or watching and you're in the moment, you get your moneys worth with that incredibly unpredictable outcome.

 

[Father:_Polley]

I think the abuse MMA fighters take on the basis of one fight is significantly greater than anything a wrestler is going to endure on a nightly basis. Yes there are going to be situations where wrestlers will suffer sore backs from hitting the mat one time too many, but all the other holds are done in such a way they aren't going to inflict too much injury on the person if done properly.

By contrast, MMA is done so that for the move to be done properly, it hurts...badly. Combine that with genuine head shots from guys who are trained to inflict punishment on opponents and you have the reason why these guys fight so little. True, they could fight more, but so could boxers etc. They don't so they don't suffer serious damage.

Call the submissions boring if you want, but the fact is that these guys could have the majority off WWE guys unconscious very quickly because they know how to hurt them...wresters are trained not to hurt their opponent.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

Actually I think wrestling would take more of a toll. Wrestlers have matches all year round, with only four days off a week. It doesn't sound like much. But how many bumps must they take in a match? How many over a year? Career?

MMA fighters train a lot. But an awful lot is endurance. Now I'm not saying it's not going to have an effect. But landing on your back will happen every night for a wrestler. But MMA fighters will train in a different discipline every day or so. For every time they train in throwdowns they'll have day of sparring (with head gear), submissions and so on. And while accidents happen in training, they're not usually serious.

Added to the fact that when they've had a fight a doctor checks them over. Which is unlike wrestling.

 

[Father:_Polley]

Actually I think wrestling would take more of a toll. Wrestlers have matches all year round, with only four days off a week. It doesn't sound like much. But how many bumps must they take in a match? How many over a year? Career?

MMA fighters train a lot. But an awful lot is endurance. Now I'm not saying it's not going to have an effect. But landing on your back will happen every night for a wrestler. But MMA fighters will train in a different discipline every day or so. For every time they train in throwdowns they'll have day of sparring (with head gear), submissions and so on. And while accidents happen in training, they're not usually serious.

Added to the fact that when they've had a fight a doctor checks them over. Which is unlike wrestling.

Granted, back pain and wrestling is going to be the majority of the injuries in wrestling as pretty much every shot has you landing on your back. And I agree that the volume of wrestling the average WWE/TNA guy does an a weekly basis is going to be far more draining than an MMA schedule for the year, probably including the training because, as you have said, they will take measures to ensure they are minimising the impact on their bodies.

However, on a pure fight for fight basis, an MMA guy is going to feel it more the next morning than a wrestler. Long term, the wrestler will keep going through more persistant pain though due to the scheduling levels.

I think the realism of MMA in an age, where as internet fans, we have the storylines laid bare and we know what the real deal is is what makes it so appealing. There are no frills, no fancy stories, it's just two guys trying to show who's the best, and the guy who deserves it will win as opposed to wrestling

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I like wrestling better, for a very simple reason. I find it far more entertaining. and it is. You know why?? Becuase its SUPPOSED TO BE. Its entertainment. Which is the inherent difference you will get from legit competition, and a show thats meant to be entertainment. there has to be a diechonomy, of entertainment and legit competition, such as football (american, or football) which will attract me. Also, American football, football, and basketball are on TV for free. If im going to PAY money for something, it better be fucking entertaining. I generally dont leave a WWE ppv feeling stupid for paying my money for it. if I had bought the PPV with Brock Lesnar debuting, and getting worked in a minute and half, i wouldve been fucking PISSED.

And thats the issue. You really, truly, have no idea what your getting when you slap down money for an MMA fight. Liddel Vs Rampage 2 was hyped like a MOTHERFUCKER, and for all that hype, we got Ramoage winning in 30 seconds on a lucky ass punch. I wouldve shaken the next person I saw like a baby if I had been fired up for that, and payed 40$ to see it. You will not be getting that kind of thing in Pro Wrestling, becuase the object isnt to win, its to be entertaining.

When My work sched was allowed, I was recruited to come to a wrestling school, then also recruited to come train for the state MMA team a week later. And i was thinking it over. And everyone told me I should do MMA, becuase wrestling is pussy shit. Um, what?? I said, if I choose wrestling, im actually a lot crazier.

Becuase I could go into a MMA match, whip the shit out of someone, not get a scratch on me, and shit, im good to go. If I do that in wrestling, ill be booed out of the building. Ask an MMA guy "if you could win a match without being hit once, would you??"

Chances are, they will say "fuck yes, of course!!!"..Ask a wrestler the same question. and the answer would be...

"well no, of course not....that would draw much heat now would it??"

 

[wwe1581]

So which do you prefer? Pro Wrestling? MMA? Both? Why do you chose to watch one and not the other, or why do you get into both.

You know the first season or maybe second of the UFC Ultimate Fighter i think it's called, i loved it. i'd watch it every week right after Raw. i thought it was cool

then promos for the next season were coming on and they say something to the extent of "this is fake like wrestling, this is for real, this matters" and in my mind i said f*ck you and i never watched it since, not because i don't know wrestling is scripted but the most annoying thing to hear as a wrestling fan is that it's all fake
it just really turned me off the sport for good, so i suppose in a way it's the promoting/advertisment why i don't watch MMA or UFC

 

[Mighty NorCal]

The above post, while barely discernable, presents another large reason I dont get down with MMA, and its crowd. They are fucking snarky, faddish, and elitist. They think becuase "their" sport is "real" that they can their nose up at, and talk shit at wrestling, and its fans. Which is totally fucking stupid, becuase a large part of the appeal of MMA wouldnt even EXIST if it wasnt for pro wrestling. Im sure this will get argued. Sure. Just check out those karate tournaments they have on ESPN. those draw fucking huge. yea. they sure do.

MMA has the showman ship, and ridiculousness of wrestling, but its "real" so therefore these folks think they are so above everything. and its so "in" and faddish to like MMA, and be a loud mouth douche bag about it. Er yea, im ok with not being a part of that. You guys can have your "two guys laying on top of each other doing whatto the plain eye is nothing" "fights" all you would like. Ill take entertainment, and a friendly chill enviornment for my money, thankyou. Its the fans, the overall feel of the whole thing. It all feels more douchebaggy and cheesy than a fucking frat party. Im good without it.

 

[Slim Pickns]

I like wrestling better, for a very simple reason. I find it far more entertaining. and it is. You know why?? Becuase its SUPPOSED TO BE. Its entertainment. Which is the inherent difference you will get from legit competition, and a show thats meant to be entertainment. there has to be a diechonomy, of entertainment and legit competition, such as football (american, or football) which will attract me. Also, American football, football, and basketball are on TV for free. If im going to PAY money for something, it better be fucking entertaining. I generally dont leave a WWE ppv feeling stupid for paying my money for it. if I had bought the PPV with Brock Lesnar debuting, and getting worked in a minute and half, i wouldve been fucking PISSED.

Wrestling is suppose to be entertaining, but that doesn't mean it always is. The UFC' unpredictability makes it far more entertaining for me. Again, I don't know how many times I've heard you guys say that you know exactly what going to happen at a PPV and then complain when you were right. Brock's fight was exciting and every fight before it was filled with anticipation. The Super Bowl isn't always exciting, but I'm not going to stop watching football. Also, Brock didn't get worked, he dominated for a minute and a half then got caught with one move.

And thats the issue. You really, truly, have no idea what your getting when you slap down money for an MMA fight. Liddel Vs Rampage 2 was hyped like a MOTHERFUCKER, and for all that hype, we got Ramoage winning in 30 seconds on a lucky ass punch. I wouldve shaken the next person I saw like a baby if I had been fired up for that, and payed 40$ to see it. You will not be getting that kind of thing in Pro Wrestling, becuase the object isnt to win, its to be entertaining.

Rampage won with an awesome counter punch that caught the overrated Liddell. It was an awesome ending for Rampage fans who have always said he's better. Thats where the MMA excitement comes in, my guy just beat there's in a matter of seconds.

You payed for the Orton vs HHH cage match at Judgment Day. That match was horrible, but were you happy because it lasted long?

When My work sched was allowed, I was recruited to come to a wrestling school, then also recruited to come train for the state MMA team a week later. And i was thinking it over. And everyone told me I should do MMA, becuase wrestling is pussy shit. Um, what?? I said, if I choose wrestling, im actually a lot crazier.

Becuase I could go into a MMA match, whip the shit out of someone, not get a scratch on me, and shit, im good to go. If I do that in wrestling, ill be booed out of the building. Ask an MMA guy "if you could win a match without being hit once, would you??"

Chances are, they will say "fuck yes, of course!!!"..Ask a wrestler the same question. and the answer would be...

"well no, of course not....that would draw much heat now would it??"

I've never called wrestling pussy so no comment there. The rest of your statements are just plain wrong. Sure an MMA guy can go in and not get a scratch on him, but he could also go into his next fight and get killed. No MMA fighter will go an entire career without an ass beating. Your "ask a MMA fighter/wrestler statement is just stupid. How can you prove that? There are plenty of MMA fighters who love to entertain. Hell, the PRIDE promotion was based on it. They kept resigning Akira Shoji, even though he rarely won. The fans found him entertaining and they kept him.

 

[Shocky]

I find myself slowly and slowly moving from the realm of professional wrestling to the world of MMA. MMA has come a long way from being the two brawlers fighting each other in a cage perception that it once had. It is a legit sport, and it is a legit form of entertainment, no doubt in my mind.

Wrestling just doesn't have "it" anymore. That intangible that makes you want to watch it week in and week out. Maybe it's the changing landscape of the business, as in sliding to a younger demographic, but very rarely do I consider the WWE Must See TV anymore.

People that see MMA as simplistic and boring simply don't get it. For me, I love watching two guys with different styles matching up in a ring. There is a certain level of psychology that you have to appreciate. These guys know, if they get themselves in trouble, it could be over like that. It's such a chess match, and all of this coming from two guys fighting in a cage.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I've never called wrestling pussy so no comment there. The rest of your statements are just plain wrong. Sure an MMA guy can go in and not get a scratch on him, but he could also go into his next fight and get killed. No MMA fighter will go an entire career without an ass beating. Your "ask a MMA fighter/wrestler statement is just stupid. How can you prove that? There are plenty of MMA fighters who love to entertain. Hell, the PRIDE promotion was based on it. They kept resigning Akira Shoji, even though he rarely won. The fans found him entertaining and they kept him.

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Everything you said basically had nothing to do with what I said. Of course, and MMA fighter wont go his whole carreer without an ass whupping. but he cant help it. Um, hello, he is fucking fighting people. Im saying if your gona ask any human being who fights for a living, they would rather take the absolute least hits possible no?? I suppose you will tell me that you think all the MMA athletes would rather get the shit beat of them every match, rather than win in dominant, very short, fashion?? Wereas a wrestler, whose job is to ENTERTAIN, would rather pull of spots, sell offense, and put on a show. That would be the difference. MMA guys only job is to WIN. So if every fight is a 21 second one punch knockout, well fuck, whatever, they won, thats there job, thankyou for your 40$. On the other hand, a wrestler's JOB is to entertain, not to "win". IF he he entertained the fans, and made them happy they spent the money, then he "won". Huge difference. A guy in a real fight would rather just fuck someone up, and win, regardless of the entertainment value. You cant EVEN sit here and try to tell me that being entertaining is passing through these dudes minds during a fight for their lives. Were as, a wrestlers ENTIRE existance, reason for being out there, is to entertain.

 

[Slim Pickns]

Your logic is only relevant if it is a mismatch, which it hardly ever is in todays MMA world. True, every fighter is out to win without taking as much damage as possible. However, when fighting a skilled opponent they are going to take some damage and get into a tough fight that will more than likely be a battle of skills.

There are five fights on each UFC PPV card and very rarely do even one of them end in under a minute. Plus, watch one that does and look at the crowds reaction. They hardly look bored. James Irvin vs Houston Alexander ended in eight seconds and the crowd was going nuts. The thing you seem to be forgetting is that because its legit, a guy winning in under a minute is amazing, because its so hard to do.

 

[AnthonyM4]

I am a fan of both mma and pro wrestling. Overall I prefer wrestling over mma, but I'd rather order a ufc ppv than a wwe ppv. I'm definitely ordering GSP vs Fitch this weekend and will not be getting Summerslam.

I think mma and wrestling are too completely different things and I can't see why people can't like them both? A lot of mma fans don't like wrestling because it isn't as real and some wrestling fans don't like mma because there's no drama or storylines to it. What I like about mma is that fights can be very unpredictable and they aren't fixed. In wrestling, more often than not, match outcomes are predictable because fans know that the main eventer will surely beat a guy who rarely wins. Matt Serra beating GSP would be like Jamie Noble beating John Cena(you know the latter will not happen).

I think mma fighters are the toughest guys in the world. I have a lot of respect for them. Their training is like no other. With the fighting skills they have, you won't have anybody messing with them on the streets.

 

[K++s]

I am a fan of both mma and pro wrestling. Overall I prefer wrestling over mma, but I'd rather order a ufc ppv than a wwe ppv. I'm definitely ordering GSP vs Fitch this weekend and will not be getting Summerslam.

I think mma and wrestling are too completely different things and I can't see why people can't like them both? A lot of mma fans don't like wrestling because it isn't as real and some wrestling fans don't like mma because there's no drama or storylines to it. What I like about mma is that fights can be very unpredictable and they aren't fixed. In wrestling, more often than not, match outcomes are predictable because fans know that the main eventer will surely beat a guy who rarely wins. Matt Serra beating GSP would be like Jamie Noble beating John Cena(you know the latter will not happen).

I think mma fighters are the toughest guys in the world. I have a lot of respect for them. Their training is like no other. With the fighting skills they have, you won't have anybody messing with them on the streets.

I couldn't agree more.

IMO asking whether someone prefers MMA or pro-wrestling is like asking someone whether they prefer sports or movies. It's a matter of opinion and each provide something different.

MMA, being part of "Sports", is about athletic competition and any drama that comes out of it comes out of the competition.

Alternatively, movies and pro-wrestling provide storytelling and the drama comes out of the story they tell.

The argument about which offers better drama IMO is somewhat pointless. Some fights which have a ton of hype don't live up to it because one fighter is just clearly better that day and whoops the other one's ass; other fights more than live up to the hype. Alternatively, some wrestling matches and PPV have a great lead up but fail to deliver... But the same can be said for movies and sporting events (though thank god for the New England Patriots because whenever they're in the Superbowl, it's alway close...).

What can you do?

 

[Kasey]

Being a staunch fan of both, they are entirely different beasts. It's funny because at times on this site, there are wrestling fans who will out and out attack MMA if they don't find it exciting or (typically) just don't get it.

On the flipside, one trip to the average MMA forum is nearly ten times worse in their view of pro-wrestling. Because MMA is legitimate sport, most ignorant "real sports" fans will tear down pro-wrestling because they don't understand the beauty, danger, sacrifice, and skill it takes to do it well. Most of it has to do with either ignorance about one or both entities. Other than that, it comes down to what entertains you most, I suppose.

I haven't been happy with much in terms of pro-wrestling stateside for quite sometime now. Not saying that I still don't pop in a tape or DVD from time to time or scour youtube for my puroresu fix, but I just feel the booking strategies towards the latter part of 2007 had finally broken me down to the point that I just gave up and realized I spent more time fast-forwarding through the DVR recordings of Raw, Smackdown, and Impact then I actually did watching the shit. I barely even know what's going on anymore, and I'm honestly not that heartbroken about it, truth be told.

Who knows? I may jump back into the swing of things sometime soon, but at this point I've fallen back in love with MMA (as I was a fan in my early teens). Far too much predictability within the WWE and TNA was just pissing me off to no end. However, when all is said and done, each entity has its own strong and weak points, it just depends on which you gravitate towards. One could never be "better" than the other for me, because they're definitely not the same. It's like comparing a documentary to a hollywood feature. One is pre-planned and meant for entertainment...while the other is unscripted and "real" for lack of a better term.

Of course, and MMA fighter wont go his whole carreer without an ass whupping. but he cant help it.

This does hold true. Except in the case of Fedor. He's so good, he could make a bear tap out. See...

Sorry, Cal. I couldn't resist letting my smartass pop out.