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[One Punch Doug Crashin]

Not like Obama would try anyway. But, yeah, questionable decision - at best. The boat did have contraband on it though, so, I guess all's well that ends well.





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thank you for having the chutzpa to say that.

 

[Razor]

Whatever. If you ask anyone in Palestine what it would take for peace, they say "We want our land back."

So what does Israel do? Build more settlements and complain about how Hamas is mad that their people are being pushed from land.

Question. Would you support the American Indians coming back and bombing the fuck out of the Midwest to get their lands back?

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

Whatever. If you ask anyone in Palestine what it would take for peace, they say "We want our land back."

So what does Israel do? Build more settlements and complain about how Hamas is mad that their people are being pushed from land.

Question. Would you support the American Indians coming back and bombing the fuck out of the Midwest to get their lands back?

And if you ask any Israeli what would it take for peace, they'd say no more killing of civillians and acceptance of Israel. Israel is not going away.

 

[Razor]

The figures I've seen show nearly a 6:1 ratio of Palestinians killed to Jews killed. Try again.

 

[Razor]

FTS. Don't watch the beginning 10 minutes of Raw or the main event. Just don't. I want you to survive.

 

[The Big Gunnzbowski]

Whatever. If you ask anyone in Palestine what it would take for peace, they say "We want our land back."

So what does Israel do? Build more settlements and complain about how Hamas is mad that their people are being pushed from land.

Question. Would you support the American Indians coming back and bombing the fuck out of the Midwest to get their lands back?

Yes! (well, not bombing because that would defeat the purpose) Realistically, I think we're more likely to see Casino Franchises, Gas Stations, and Smoke Shops.

Or we could buy land in various parts of Mexico and set up more reservations? That'd be hilarity for decades!

 

[Remix]

1-1 in the judging of our CLDL thread Razor.

 

[Tiger Chaos Theory]

I saw Indyjon, I swear I did. Where is he?

 

[Remix]

You'll probably find him in the last place you look.

 

[Razor]

This is either on the 3rd or the 4th page of the Bar Room. Horrid.

Yeah Remix, we've split the judges. We're just that damn good. I think it might be GD who is the final judge. Probably not. I haven't actually read that initial post by FTS in about two weeks.

So....that whole Israel thing with the boycott and what not? There's a video of the flotilla members attacking the air dropping commandos with sticks and clubs. Oh shit.

Either they are attacking because the Israelis shot first, or the Israelis shot into a group of men and women armed with clubs because they were being hit.

Oh yeah. And a Irish boat is on its way to fuck with the blockade. This'll be fun.

 

[Remix]

This is either on the 3rd or the 4th page of the Bar Room. Horrid.

I'll try to bump it occasionally.

Yeah Remix, we've split the judges. We're just that damn good. I think it might be GD who is the final judge. Probably not. I haven't actually read that initial post by FTS in about two weeks.

Agreed, we're awesome. May the best man win.

I think we're waiting on GD and IC25. I wonder what we do if it ends up 2-2?

So....that whole Israel thing with the boycott and what not? There's a video of the flotilla members attacking the air dropping commandos with sticks and clubs. Oh shit.

Either they are attacking because the Israelis shot first, or the Israelis shot into a group of men and women armed with clubs because they were being hit.

Probably the latter. THere's bound to be tales from both sides, as for the most part I think the people on the flotilla were legit good guys trying to help out Palestine. However there were a few ***** on board who decided to fuck things up further by tossing shit at the millitary. Fucking radicals.

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

The whole entire thing had the point of making the Israelis look worse in the eyes of the international community then they already do. They succeeded in that.

 

[Remix]

That's be true, if it doesn't appear to have been a provoked attack. If it was, the backlash wont be severe at all, and Israel's rep internationally won't be affected. I mean let's face it, dealing with a provoked attack in the way they see fit is a drop in the ocean relative to what Israel has already done.

 

[Барбоса]

It certainly has not helped Israel's image but it also highlights the limits of "people power." If a group of do-gooders think they can use the media-enhanced hysteria of putting themselves in harms-way to pressurise a determined state like Israel into backing down, they are kidding themselves

 

[Razor]

Well, the flotilla has room to argue. They were in international waters and were being boarded by a foreign super power that had no right to board any boat in international waters, let alone a boat that is floating under the flag of a foreign and allied nation. Turkey is a NATO member, who is directly allied with America. You don't go around boarding boats that are allied nations of America when they're in international waters.

But hell, I've heard that America blocked condemnation of Israel during the emergency UN Security Council meeting that Turkey called for. So America is obviously not backing down from Israel, despite the fact that they boarded a friendly nation in international waters.

Like I said, Ireland is apparently sending more boats to Gaza. Turkey has committed to actually escorting more aid boats to Gaza with their own military. Israel can't keep boarding and stopping these boats when they're in international waters, or else no one can stand beside them.

I watched Jon Stewart the other night. If there was ever a time for him to side with Israel, it was now. He showed the footage of the crew attacking air-dropping Israeli commandos, but also showed the 10,000 tonnes of aid supplies that the Israelis apparently found dangerous enough to attack over. School books and medicine. Fucking dangerous.

Oh yeah. There's something about some oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. The Mexican government hasn't had control of their country in around a year. But what the hell.

 

[Барбоса]

Arguments of international waters and aid missions are not going to stop Israel from being vigilant in what they see as a military operation. If flotillas continue to appear around Gaza, then the Israelis might be forced into even more forceful action, sending in a larger fleet and physically blocking the aid missions and even threatening organised force.

The sheer fact that the international community is shocked that the Israelis might actually enforce their blockade demonstrates once again that mass media makes idiots of us all.

 

[Razor]

That's true. At one hand we have Israel, that has announced their desire to enforce the blockade. (Despite the fact that the UN has come out stating that the Gaza blockade is a "crime against Humanity.")

On the other, we have the entire world (including admittedly, myself) shocked that they would actually board and violently stop an official aid vessel.

Then again, think about it. If America announced a blockade on Afghanistan and a Turkish vessel tried to penetrate the blockade, we'd stop it. I'm sure it's the same for Ireland.

 

[Барбоса]

Then again, think about it. If America announced a blockade on Afghanistan and a Turkish vessel tried to penetrate the blockade, we'd stop it.

Exactly. The whole point of a blockade is to prevent the besieged getting supplies to break their resistance. If Israel suddenly starts letting aid in then the blockade becomes pointless and they have no intention of ending it any time soon.

It is also worth noting that Israel is not the only state enforcing the blockade. The Egyptians are also playing their part in it too, but of course Muslims blockading Muslims does not sell newspapers, make for sensationalist propaganda or further anti-Israeli viewpoints

 

[Remix]

IC25 just submitted his verdict Razor. He voted for me by 2 points. I think we're still waiting on the General, but if not it was one hell of a debate that could have gone either way.

 

[Razor]

So......uh yeah.....third page, huh?

Remix, good job buddy. If you beat me then you beat me. Anarchism is a slippery fish, but its still not as big as that monster that is totalitarianism.

Israel stopped more ships. What bitches the American news media are. They're too busy shitting on BP and whining about some other shit about some governors to say anything.

Though, really, the Alabama governor said that the oil in the Gulf is "not toxic" and that when it reaches the stage of sludge it's "safe to eat." He compared the birds being covered in oil to human beings being covered in toothpaste. Yeah, I think I'll just go ahead and declare Alabama as stupider than Mississippi for a month or so until Mississippi does something just as ******ed. Then the world can be back to normal.

 

[Барбоса]

At least this ship was surrendered peacefully. I dread to think what would happen if a captain was stupid enough to try to run the blockade...

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

You do realize razor that if the american media is not shitting on someone they're not doing their jobs.

Edit: Also this is all hypocritical. If an american vessal blockaded some town in afganistan and a "charity" group tried to run the blockade, the media would call for the captain of the blockade runners head.

 

[Razor]

At least this ship was surrendered peacefully. I dread to think what would happen if a captain was stupid enough to try to run the blockade...

I would laugh, but I see that Iran has offered to escort ships past the blockade.

Israel's going to bust a nut.

Wanna see a captain try to run the blockade? Just wait.

EDIT: Of course, Iran is being highly inflammatory and probably won't do anything. But still. It would be fucking crazy.

 

[Razor]

Obama doesn't want to hug the whales.



Alright Obama. Hunt those whales. Maybe the taxes will help clean up the oil spill, whose costs just rose to 1.25 billion dollars.

 

[Барбоса]

Of course it is hypocritical. The horrors of the First and Second World Wars have tainted what was up until then a common, comparatively bloodless and usually necessary undertaking. Now with the advent of global media, the waging of war is seen as the perfect target to gain political and moral capital and politicians are forced to condemn virtually all forms of armed combat or military action just because the man on the street who hasn't got the first notion of what is happening might listen to his politically biased newspaper or television pundit. Vietnam was proof of that for by the time public opinion forced the Americans to pull out, they were winning the war.

For Israel to be seen to be acting against its belligerent neighbours is somehow now portrayed as a bad thing (although there is definitely some leftover guilt from the western states about the poor treatment of many Muslims during the creation of Israel). Potential heavy-handedness should be the only charge levelled at Israel. Not the actual waging of war. The brief war in 2006 against Hezbollah was proof of how stupid and hypocritical international opinion can be. If Hezbollah had taken American or British soldiers hostage, would you not want the Navy Seals or SAS to go get them? But when Israel acts against an aggressive neighbour, granted with overkill, it is a travesty...

Had the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan ended in three days with zero casualties on either side and perfectly working democracies set up, they would still be viewed as wrong.

As a student of ancient history, I find this modern approach to be almost laughable