A few reasons why Chyna can go into the Hall of Fame now

[dkorolenchuk]

One of the big reasons why she would never get in while alive was she was a train wreck,plain and simple.

They were worried about her being drunk or high or both and running her mouth about the billion $ princess.

Now she has died they can have a ceremony without worrying about the baggage she would most likely bring.

 

[Psykohurricane55]

A few reasons why she will probably not be inducted into the WWE hall of fame anytime soon.

1. Her drugs and alchool problems and the fact that it might have let to her death. The fact that evenif it was prescriptions drugs that might have killed her she still had a past with this and vince won't want to acknowledge somebody like that was an addict. That why Miss Elizabeth isn't in the hall of fame right now. Hey, They waited until Jake Roberts and scott HAll we're guaranteed to be clean and sober before inducted them because they didn't want the bad PR.

2. The porn Films shes did. You have to remember that the WWE is at first family entertainment and inducted somebody like Chyna even if she was a big part of the era is again bad PR for them. Yes you might say that they inducted sunny and she did porn too, first of all Chyna was an contract girl with one of the biggest company in porn while sunny had a porn website for a while and it wasn'T even intercourse, it was just naked picture of her. Secondly as soon as sunny started having problems, WWE did distance themselves from her.

3. The last reason and it'S the most important one, Vince Mcmahon doesn'T like chyna. Vince is the guy that decided who goes into the hall of fame and who don'T. In the end it might be a comitee that decided who goes but if vince doesn'T like the selection then they don'T go. Chyna made Vince life'S a living hell during the last year she was in WWE, she refuse to job to other women's, she ask to get a stone cold steve austin type raise which she didn'T deserve at the time and when she didn'T get what she wanted, she sit out the rest of her contract and started bashing the company for years and years. She even did a porno about it.

So yes, she might deserve to be in the hall of fame for her tenure but right now, she's pretty much at the same level as guys like chris benoit and jeff jarrett. While some people within the wwe wouldn'T mind having her into the wwe hall of fame, until vince get over whatever his grudge is with her, that's not going to happen. The fact is he didn'T even commented on her death, so if that'S not proof enough that she won'T be inducted in the hall of fame, nothing is.

 

[Burritocover]

She also can't say anymore stupid shit on Twitter about Vince raped her or got her raped or any number of crazy things she said on there.

 

[MMK]

If they wouldn't put her in when she was alive, they shouldn't put her in now. All that does is allow a company that ignored her and blacklisted her, as well as a fan base that did nothing but mock her for over a decade, to pat themselves on the back and alleviate themselves of the guilt they feel for driving her to a self-destructive life.Putting her in now would be a cruel joke. "She's dead, we can put her in now" is no way of honouring someone. If fans want to honor her then chant her name at every show. A Hall of Fame induction now is irrelevant and insulting.

 

[Sean Valjean]

Hypocritical or not, the company probably will probably induct her simply because she's dead, and is thus no longer a liability. Her tenure justifies it anyway, so all they have to do is celebrate her wrestling career without any fear of her blowing up the ceremony by sounding off on Triple H and the McMahons. They're now free to sugarcoat her life as much or as little as they want.

As we've seen with Warrior, Sammartino, and Savage, time and untimely deaths heals all wounds with Vince McMahon. There's little reason for Vince to hold a grudge against someone who isn't around anymore. Hell, Ultimate Warrior spewed all kinds of homophobic, crazy nonsense for years and they inducted him in while he was alive. Chyna's on the same level of taboo that Warrior was, just with some porn on the side. Sunny is alive and doing porn as we speak, and she hasn't been removed from the HoF.

Inducting Chyna works for several reasons:

1. She deserves it.
2. Most fans genuinely seem to want it, so little backlash there.
3. It makes WWE look forgiving and less spiteful.
4. It'd be a great feather in the cap for the whole Divas Revolution stuff.
5. She died tragically, which tends to make people forget and/or forgive any previous transgressions. Offenses that, again, consist acting crazy/overly entitled – things a TON of guys are guilty of – and doing some porn, which was ages ago. It's not like she killed anyone.

I'm not being heartless, I'm just being blunt. Her death is the second best thing that could happen to improve her Hall of Fame odds. Sadly, Chyna didn't live long enough for the best possible thing to occur: reconciliation with WWE.

 

[Christian Faith]

Hypocritical or not, the company probably will probably induct her simply because she's dead, and is thus no longer a liability. Her tenure justifies it anyway, so all they have to do is celebrate her wrestling career without any fear of her blowing up the ceremony by sounding off on Triple H and the McMahons. They're now free to sugarcoat her life as much or as little as they want.

As we've seen with Warrior, Sammartino, and Savage, time and untimely deaths heals all wounds with Vince McMahon. There's little reason for Vince to hold a grudge against someone who isn't around anymore. Hell, Ultimate Warrior spewed all kinds of homophobic, crazy nonsense for years and they inducted him in while he was alive. Chyna's on the same level of taboo that Warrior was, just with some porn on the side. Sunny is alive and doing porn as we speak, and she hasn't been removed from the HoF.

Inducting Chyna works for several reasons:

1. She deserves it.
2. Most fans genuinely seem to want it, so little backlash there.
3. It makes WWE look forgiving and less spiteful.
4. It'd be a great feather in the cap for the whole Divas Revolution stuff.
5. She died tragically, which tends to make people forget and/or forgive any previous transgressions. Offenses that, again, consist acting crazy/overly entitled – things a TON of guys are guilty of – and doing some porn, which was ages ago. It's not like she killed anyone.

I'm not being heartless, I'm just being blunt. Her death is the second best thing that could happen to improve her Hall of Fame odds. Sadly, Chyna didn't live long enough for the best possible thing to occur: reconciliation with WWE.

Can I just point out that Sammartino is still alive?


Chyna may well have had idea's above her station back in the day but she wasn't the first and certainly won't be the last. However everybody knows that the only reason she was released was due to Triple H and Stephanie's affair. It was this that led her to go off the rails. WWE know this and even before she began doing porn they had pretty much tried to forget she had existed.

Putting her in the HOF now would simply be a half arsed gesture from WWE in order to shut the fans up and ease their conscience a little.

If they couldn't put her in whilst she was alive then they shouldn't put her in now she has passed away.

 

[MERPER]

If they wouldn't put her in when she was alive, they shouldn't put her in now. All that does is allow a company that ignored her and blacklisted her, as well as a fan base that did nothing but mock her for over a decade, to pat themselves on the back and alleviate themselves of the guilt they feel for driving her to a self-destructive life.Putting her in now would be a cruel joke. "She's dead, we can put her in now" is no way of honouring someone. If fans want to honor her then chant her name at every show. A Hall of Fame induction now is irrelevant and insulting.

Agree with this completely. The entire point of being inducted is for that person to be honored, receive recognition from fans and co-workers and have a special night.

Now that she's gone it means nothing.

And yes, I realize sometimes shit happens and there have been wrestlers inducted after their death before. But that's a different set of circumstances. They intentionally held her out and distanced her from the company for years and now she is gone.

Personally, I think inducting her now would be a slap in the face.

 

[Azane]

Every Reason why Chyna won't be in the hall of fame works for why Sunni will never be in the hall of fame.

Oh ya....

They can play down the drugs/porn etc.. and play up her accomplishments, RR, KOTR, IC Champion and the only Woman who was ever the #1 contender for the WWF World Title. You can't ignore the mark she left there, she should be a marque name for the attitude wing of the HoF.

All the stupid politics aside, Chyna the character deserves to be in the HoF, Almost heading a class I could argue. The HoF is full of people who've made worse life choices, but left marks on the industry.

 

[dkorolenchuk]

If the porn search thing is a legit thing then I guess Sunny will
be taken out of the hall?

And if Hogan is welcomed back he also still cannot be put back on the list of inductees.

Don't want those searches leading to porn!!

 

[Y 2 Jake]

When you give Chyna a Google search now you won't find freak porn at the top, you'll find something (likely) about a drug related death. Her continued omission from the HOF is assured.

 

[Gallops77]

I think Chyna will be inducted, I just think it'll take a few years.

It won't be next year because everything that's happened with her will still be too fresh in the mind of fans. But 3, 4, 5 years from now? I can see her being a part of a HOF class, not the premier inductee, but one of the inductees. The only real issue is who would induct her? Only person who was close-ish with her I could see is Shawn Michaels. It won't be Triple H. It won't be Sean Waltman. Unless one of the women do it.

I think the past in porn will be less of a factor in a few years because the WWE would do what they could to make a focus on her life in WWE and not the aftermath that occurred.

 

[Psykohurricane55]

Can I just point out that Sammartino is still alive?


Chyna may well have had idea's above her station back in the day but she wasn't the first and certainly won't be the last. However everybody knows that the only reason she was released was due to Triple H and Stephanie's affair. It was this that led her to go off the rails. WWE know this and even before she began doing porn they had pretty much tried to forget she had existed.

Putting her in the HOF now would simply be a half arsed gesture from WWE in order to shut the fans up and ease their conscience a little.

If they couldn't put her in whilst she was alive then they shouldn't put her in now she has passed away.

just want to point out something, she wasn't release from wwe, she quit the wwe after she ask for more money and they didn't want to give it to her. She was trying to get pay the same amount as stone cold and the rock because in her head, she was as big of a star as those guys. Also she wasn't happy to be put in the women's division and thought they we're beneath her and that her being the champion was a demotion, that's why she left and not because of the whole stephanie/hhh thing.

 

[Burritocover]

Can I just point out that Sammartino is still alive?


Chyna may well have had idea's above her station back in the day but she wasn't the first and certainly won't be the last. However everybody knows that the only reason she was released was due to Triple H and Stephanie's affair. It was this that led her to go off the rails. WWE know this and even before she began doing porn they had pretty much tried to forget she had existed.
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She wasn't released; she has said in interviews that she left because she felt there wasnt room for her there after she and triple h split up.

I totally think she deserves to be inducted but with the insane allegations she's made and the porn don't think she she will. I agree with what triple h said last year on the stone cold podcast. If people google her porn will come up. Having said that though I don't think they should induct X Pac either since he was in her first video. I also think he had a hall of fame career but I don't believe in double standards. None of this is to say I actually think someone shouldnt be left out because they've done porn ,especially when there's a convicted rapist in it, but I can see why WWE wouldn't want them in. If it were up to me it's a no brainer but when you run a PG company that doesn't want any controversy I get why they'd have an issue.

 

[dsotm5150]

I always found the statement "we distanced ourselves from so and so because of their personal issues and decisions outside the company we dont kids googling them and finding out about it" its a hypocritical statement when you've got Steve Austin who beat his wife, Scott Hall is a walking train wreck as well as Sean Waltman who was in chynas sex tape, Jerry lawler has had multiple sexual assault accusations brought against him, hell WWF allegedly helped Jimmy Snuka cover up a murder for 30 years, and I won't even get started on Tammy Sytch who remains listed as a Hall of Famer. Fact of the matter is kids can easily find out about these wrestlers personal issues as well as many others who remain employed or listed as alumni or Hall of Famers with the WWE. So I'd love to know the wwe's criteria of who is bad for kids and who isn't because if substance abuse, arrests or porn gets you blacklisted then WWE would have a pretty slim list of alumni.

Chyna was erased because of personal issues between her and the company, and she was blacklisted long before she got into porn. I could easily buy into the rumour she was pushed out of the company due to Stephanie McMahon, after all would you feel comfortable with your spouse working alongside their former fiance? Chyna did a whole lot of mudslinging afterwards though, probably justified but fact remains their was was issues on either side that neither felt necessary to resolve.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

You know something that would impress the hell out of me? If Vince came right out and said she wouldn't be in the HOF because, about 14 months ago, she made false statements, false as she later admitted they were false, that Triple H was physically abusive during their relationship. Before she finally admitted that it wasn't true, she spent the next few months doing whatever she could to drag the man's name through the mud and it's a despicable thing to do to anyone and could be counted as a slap in the face to anyone who has been or is currently in an abusive relationship.

Now, I know that Vince won't come right out and say that's a reason why she won't go in. I'm not personally saying she doesn't deserve it because of her contributions during the Attitude Era as I know it's important to separate people in their private lives from their professional accomplishments. The reason I'd be impressed with Vince making such a statement would be because it was a genuine, kneejerk reaction made by a man who's angry that his son-in-law, someone he loves and the father of his three granddaughters, was slandered so casually all over the internet in podcast interviews by someone who's life had become a trainwreck and was looking to lay the blame, or at least some of it, at Triple H's feet. Such a statement would be a very human, very natural response and not some politically correct bullshit about worrying how any sort of association with Chyna now might be a blemish on WWE because of career and personal choices she made once she left WWE.

 

[Vanilla Midget]

Chyna in the HOF is basically an unsolvable quagmire. She simultaneously has the distinction of a career worthy of an auto-include while having committed many acts outside of the ring that disqualify her.

That's the big question at play here - does the HOF honour the people, or the person as the wrestler and their contributions to wrestling? More importantly where do you draw the line?

WWE's HOF is certainly a popularity contest. Names we never thought would go in have gone in. Macho Man is in the Hall now. Other controversial figures such as Luger remain out. I don't want to make this conversation about a certain Canadian wrestler who's life ended after taking his Family's, he too remains out.

The difference between Chyna and him is that you can sweep her indiscretions under the rug and tie a bow around them, whereas you can't do that with the Canadian wrestler. You can't excuse murder.

You can have Triple H, Waltman, or I'd have HBK do the honours personally. They can go up there and tell it like it is. Look kids, Chyna did some really low brow things post-wrestling, she died tragically consumed by drug abuse, but there's no denying her contributions to wrestling.

Chyna is the most essential women's athlete of the attitude era, perhaps all time. You can't say that about Luger, or the murderer from Canada. Chyna held men's titles and participated in the Royal Rumble. The fact that she was a woman in the Rumble overshadows the achievements of the previous two men I had mentioned, both of whom won the damn match.

The Chyna conundrum is a tough call with the simplest solution: time. Mental distance for the fans and for the people who run WWE, many of whom are very close to the situation. Inducting Chyna while she was alive and still a mess, not good business. Inducting an absolute legend and trailblazer, of course. Just frame it for the kids, they're not stupid.

 

[sikkbones]

Honestly i figure that Prince will end up in the HOF before Chyna/Joanie does...

(that was sarcasm folks.)

but seriously, there is any easy solution here in a few years when HHH is retired that Will deal with the ongoing issues of Billy Gunn, Xpac, Rick Rude and Chyna going into the hall as Indivuals....

For one the New Age outlaws should go in as a tag team by themselves but it is likely that they won't....

But You want to Sidestep the Issue of Inducting Chyna on her own?

Induct the Original Degeneration X, With or Without the DX army.

 

[Jonyboyuk2]

Chyna should definitely be in the HOF. Between her and Lita, they kick started the Womans division of WWE as we know it today. She also took part in many fun angles and storylines.

She did leave WWE under a cloud because she wanted to be paid the same as The Rock and Stone Cold and be placed in top line feuds with them. WWE refused to pay her that much and then allowed her to leave. HHH and her had split up and suddenly this came about and she left WWE. Her personal life after that is well documented.

Chyna died too young and it is an absolute tragedy. Her accomplishments in WWE should be remembered.

 

[Cats Pajamas]

If the porn search thing is a legit thing then I guess Sunny will
be taken out of the hall?

I don't really think it is. Trips said that a Google search could be a problem, but didn't mention porn specifically. Actually, if you like Wrestlezone Wreports, here's one that suggests she already would've been inducted as part of DX had Sammartino not came through for them in 2013. The real problem was that every time Chyna gave us a glimmer of hope that she was finally working through her personal demons, it'd be only a short time until we hear about her passing out at nightclubs, doing WWE porn parodies, or making shitty accusations about one of WWE's top officials.

Vince knows by now that giving a substance abuser a Hall of Fame ring and a bunch of attention does little for that person in the long run. Very, very little. It doesn't do WWE any good either, nor is it good for people associated with WWE. Basically, it's just a bad idea to re-establish business relationships with people when they're going through a hard time.

Vince has come a long way since being the man who once produced a 90 minute slap to the face of the Ultimate Warrior. Trips has the thickest skin of anyone who's ever been involved in the industry. I don't think either of them are going to have hard cheese with Chyna for very long.

I think she'll be incucted twice, once by herself (which she deserves) and once with DX (which they couldn't do without her).

 

[THTRobtaylor]

You know something that would impress the hell out of me? If Vince came right out and said she wouldn't be in the HOF because, about 14 months ago, she made false statements, false as she later admitted they were false, that Triple H was physically abusive during their relationship. Before she finally admitted that it wasn't true, she spent the next few months doing whatever she could to drag the man's name through the mud and it's a despicable thing to do to anyone and could be counted as a slap in the face to anyone who has been or is currently in an abusive relationship.

Now, I know that Vince won't come right out and say that's a reason why she won't go in. I'm not personally saying she doesn't deserve it because of her contributions during the Attitude Era as I know it's important to separate people in their private lives from their professional accomplishments. The reason I'd be impressed with Vince making such a statement would be because it was a genuine, kneejerk reaction made by a man who's angry that his son-in-law, someone he loves and the father of his three granddaughters, was slandered so casually all over the internet in podcast interviews by someone who's life had become a trainwreck and was looking to lay the blame, or at least some of it, at Triple H's feet. Such a statement would be a very human, very natural response and not some politically correct bullshit about worrying how any sort of association with Chyna now might be a blemish on WWE because of career and personal choices she made once she left WWE.

There's always gonna be a question mark over that... Lying about it would be a dick move, but it's also possible she retracted it to avoid "repercussions" - maybe she still harboured hopes of going back or the WWE legal monkeys scared her into saying she lied...

Personally, I think SOMETHING bad happened between her and Paul when their relationship died, not saying he hauled off, but he might have lost his temper or behaved in a way that would reflect poorly on him now, even if he didn't hit her as such.

Vince isn't gonna come out and say anything, if he won't admit why Savage was persona non grata for so long then he won't here either.

As for the "Google" argument, yes there is the porn side... but there is also more to what Trips said in that interview... he has an 8 year old daughter who would also, very easily by google, find out that her dad was once with this lady who then did porn, and that the world doesn't think mummy,daddy and grandad treated her very well. It then follows they could find out some other murky stuff, like Sable's lawsuit, why Uncle Jerry walked when they fired his wife and what Daddy's friend Shawn was like with Sunny back in the day (who is in the HOF and also did porn).

Basically, his "google test" is that kids would quickly go down a dark path of WWE's past... one they don't want people to really remember... they KNOW we do... but they don't care about us... but if the kids or their parents suddenly realise.. "Damn, Triple H was a real scumbag in the 90's" or "All the 90's women in WWE got screwed, both in the ring and out of it" then it looks very bad.

That being said, the "live mic" argument is gone now... there is no danger of her saying anything bad... the difficulty would be who Joanie's family would want to induct her... Foley would be the preferred candidate from WWE... but they might want Russo... and that opens a whole new can of worms.

She WILL go in when DX does.... It's an easy out for them to induct the Outlaws, Shawn, Hunter, XPac, Chyna AND Rude at the same time...they can focus on her DX era stuff and conveniently forget the rest, much like they did with Michael Hayes recently... hell, Shawn becoming a 2 time inductee and Trips going in for the first time would distract massively.

They might go for a time when they can induct someone like Owen, so it REALLY becomes not about Chyna...

They're in a "rock and hard place" situation now... precedent says they HAVE to induct, but not until they want to... Rude not being in there has been pointed as a major injustice for many years and his "crimes" were far lesser than Chyna's perceived ones...

They can't induct her in a lacklustre class like this year (come on it was pretty pants), it has to be a star studded one so that she is less noticeable...

The biggest barrier right now is likely Trips rather than Vince or Steph... only he knows if he was bad to her or not... if he has no axe to grind, then there is no reason for it not to happen and let's face it, he loved this woman once... but if there is something there he doesn't want to face up to, to get out or think about... bearing in mind he already had to "take the Savage one for the team" then I can see her being shut out...

 

[d_henderson1810]

If they wouldn't put her in when she was alive, they shouldn't put her in now. All that does is allow a company that ignored her and blacklisted her, as well as a fan base that did nothing but mock her for over a decade, to pat themselves on the back and alleviate themselves of the guilt they feel for driving her to a self-destructive life.Putting her in now would be a cruel joke. "She's dead, we can put her in now" is no way of honouring someone. If fans want to honor her then chant her name at every show. A Hall of Fame induction now is irrelevant and insulting.

Do you feel the same about Randy "Macho Man" Savage's induction?

 

[kadroan]

I'd put her in. WWE's PR can make her look good.

 

[WorstWrestlingExcrement]

They didn t put her in the hall of shame when she was alive why would they place her now in the hof? She was a pornographic film actress. Had a relationship with Waltman and was arrrested for domesctic abuse. Was in TNA with Kurt Angle
She was battling drug and alcohol addiction, as well as mental illness
On top of that she killed herself taking medication for anxiety and insomniaas a result of drug overdose something other wrestlers have done also such as Chris Benoit and these 2 names will never be inducted in the hall of fame sadly

 

[dsotm5150]

They didn t put her in the hall of shame when she was alive why would they place her now in the hof? She was a pornographic film actress. Had a relationship with Waltman and was arrrested for domesctic abuse. Was in TNA with Kurt Angle
She was battling drug and alcohol addiction, as well as mental illness
On top of that she killed herself taking medication for anxiety and insomniaas a result of drug overdose something other wrestlers have done also such as Chris Benoit and these 2 names will never be inducted in the hall of fame sadly

Using that theory, a good portion of the people in the Hall Of Fame should now be excluded, Steve Austin was arrested numerous times for domestic abuse, Eddie Guerrero, Jake Roberts, Scott Hall, Curt Hennig, Sunny, Ric Flair just to name a few, have all been arrested numerous times and or battled addiction. So using your theory the WWE should pretty much cut ties with almost everybody that worked for them in the '90s.

 

[WorstWrestlingExcrement]

Using that theory, a good portion of the people in the Hall Of Fame should now be excluded, Steve Austin was arrested numerous times for domestic abuse, Eddie Guerrero, Jake Roberts, Scott Hall, Curt Hennig, Sunny, Ric Flair just to name a few, have all been arrested numerous times and or battled addiction. So using your theory the WWE should pretty much cut ties with almost everybody that worked for them in the '90s.

What is it that you don t get ? Did any of the above participate in pornographic movies? On February 9, 2015, during a WWE Network podcast with Stone Cold Steve Austin, Triple H mentioned that Chyna deserved to be in the WWE Hall of Fame but that problems with children Googling her prohibited it.