Chardee Macdennis
Getting Noticed By Management
Ah...I missed that part in the original article about it being EVERY Republican senator. Hmmm...makes me wonder if there is not more to this than meets the eye.
9/11 First Responders Bill Voted Down in the Senate
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Ah...I missed that part in the original article about it being EVERY Republican senator. Hmmm...makes me wonder if there is not more to this than meets the eye.
...uh, I think it's pretty clear what it means. Republicans are willing to screw over those they so loudly praised when they needed support for the war, simply so the wealthiest 5% in America can save even more money.
Chardee Macdennis
Getting Noticed By Management
If that is the case (wich I'm not willing to concede w/out doing my own research on the matter), than it brings me back to my point of being a Republican, but not blindly agreeing to every decision they make, or right they supposedly stand for. I'm conservative on a number of issues, most of the "important" ones, but lean left on some others. Again, the two party system forces me to vote party lines, because in reality, I can NOT choose a candidate that meets my every expectation. They don't exist, because they could not get elected. Lesser of two evils.
HBK-aholic
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I very much look forward to this ♥
Uncle Chester
I see you, and your penis.
Do you really want to the rich leaving to other countries because taxes are too high? Because you people do realize they can do that if taxes were too high and I'm sure San Marino would love to have htem.
Tiger Chaos Theory
You ain't drawin' shit!
And go where? Maybe one of those countries where they already ship jobs off to.
klunderbunker
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Yeah because you know, an extra forty grand to a guy making a million dollars a year is going to send him to another country.
Tiger Chaos Theory
You ain't drawin' shit!
Don't you know it KB, if rick fucks can't get daily wine enemas they'll move to... Still waiting for a place they'd move that would tolerate their bullshit. Somewhere in Africa maybe?
klunderbunker
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The sad thing is that's what this is about: a 4% tax increase. If the tax cuts had expired, people making over 250k a year would see their taxes go up from 35% to 39%. That 4%, which to a millionaire is 40 grand (which if you're making a million a year is really a joke since you're already paying 350k and if you can't live on $610,000 a year you don't deserve to have a dime) is what the GOP has agreed to sell out the military (won't pass the defense bill), the unemployed (wouldn't pass unemployment insurance which is WAY more important for the economy anyway), 9/11 responders (this bill), homosexuals (won't pass DADT), and the middle class (won't pass tax cuts for them either). All for a 4% break for people making over $250,000 a year so they don't have to pay an extra $10,000 a year.
And these people blame everyone else. Right.
And these people blame everyone else. Right.
This is a joke, right? They already do. They donate a paltry sum to charity to get a massive tax write-off. They establish houses in states where they don't live, just to avoid paying income tax (my mother's husband included). They stash money in overseas accounts. They take their businesses to other countries, for cheaper labor, easier to fudge numbers, and the taxes to bring the product into the country is much cheaper than actually paying American citizens to do the work.
Fuck them all I say. If they want to go to another country, I hope they do. Because there will never be a shortage of people who make a lot of money. If the top 5% were to die tomorrow, then there'd be people stepping into their place.
I'm not worried at all about the rich not paying their taxes, because they already don't.
klunderbunker
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The last line of what Sly said sums up the whole problem. Rich people give jobs away to other countries to get cheap labor and then get huge tax breaks. What benefit does the majority of the country get from them? Nothing for the most part, but hey, we can't live without them so let's make sure to make them as happy as possible at the expense of everyone else. From what I've read as usual, the GOP wants to pay for the gap in the budget caused by the lack of taxes by weakening Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. If those things go, we're in big, big trouble to put it mildly, especially the last one.
Uncle Chester
I see you, and your penis.
It is actually an internal problem. New Jersey had introduce tax cuts that were present in other states because the rich were leaving New Jersey and relocating to the states with the tax cuts.
Weren't taxes like 70? for the rich at one point? Why the fuck are they complaining then?
Uncle Chester
I see you, and your penis.
I think it's called bar stool economics.
klunderbunker
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No.
Chardee Macdennis
Getting Noticed By Management
You guys are missing a couple of MAJOR points here. First, KB, just because someone CAN live off of $610,000 over a Million, doesn't mean they should fucking HAVE to. That is complete bullshit. Why should they have to take less of their money? If I, personally, was a millionare, I would set up trust funds so that my heirs down the line wouldn't have to pay for the best education in the world. And yes, part of my money would be put into and account soley for that reason. Second, why in the fuck, should the rich not be able to enjoy the fruits of their labor. The owner of my company is a millionare. He came from a family of 11 children, half of them fully deaf, or at least majorly hearing impaired. He worked at bars and pizza joints and saved his money. An oppurtunity presented itself to buy a struggling company with his savings (20 grand he paid) and he did just that. He now employees over 50 people and should be able to keep every damn dime of the money he earned. At least the same percentage as anyone else. He also contributes to charity on his own free accord (which I'm sure many others do), but HE decides where to donate his money. He doesn't need the fucking gov't redistributing it for him. I make just about 50 grand a year and have ZERO problem with guys like this keeping more of what they earned. The other point that seems to be getting lost is this: a lot of these companies affected, are still small businesses, not giant corporations. The assumptions being made here are typical, yet frustrating. I know I'm going to get bashed for going up against the two big dogs, and I'm certainly not doing so to gain any type of perceived noteriety on a fucking internet site, but I'll be damned if I'll sit back and not defend what I believe to be true.
No, I think YOU are missing the point. To protect the rights of those millionaires you're discussing, the Republicans are willing to not provide financial support for the police and firefighters who responded to the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center.
Are you really going to fucking sit there and tell me THOSE people don't deserve it? Are you really going to tout the hardships of the incredibly wealthy, and deny hard working everyday men and women, who literally put their life on the line for others, medical coverage for the physical damage their bodies took that day?
No, YOU are the one who is missing the point here. Grab a soul and get back to me.
klunderbunker
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GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK.
If someone HAS to live on over 600 grand a year they should be thanking their lucky stars. Do you have any idea how many people would kill to have 600 dollars let alone 1000 times that much? They need it for things like food and to keep themselves warm at night. Give me a fucking break "they shouldn't have to" live on that much money like it's fucking torture. Come down here to Kentucky and see what it's like to be poor and then tell me about how awful people taking home over half a million a year have it. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.
Chardee Macdennis
Getting Noticed By Management
Absolutely NOT, that's not what I'm saying at all. If you'll remember from an earlier post, I said that I was disgusted by this. I think those first responders deserve every damn thing they get, and more. My comments were based solely on the notion that is shouldn't matter how much the rich get taxed, because "they can afford it'. I should've made that more clear and apologize for not doing so. I fully support and admire all of the men and women that risk their lives every day, defending us on our, as well as foreign soil. I don't want this to come off in ANY way that I don't support those people. Soldiers, Firefighters, EMT's, Police Officer's and the like, don't get NEAR what they deserve. I'm sorry that I wasn't more clear about that aspect of it. The tone of the thread seemed to have changed a tad and my arguement was based off of that change alone.
klunderbunker
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No what you're saying is that people that make six figures a year have it so hard and shouldn't have to pay a dime while people that are starving and can barely make ends meet should suffer so that they can make more money. "Keep what they earn" I believe is what you called it. yes because it's so hard to sit in an office, sign checks and make phone calls. The people that earn it are the people doing actual work, not sitting back and making big fat checks off their workers backs.
Chardee Macdennis
Getting Noticed By Management
Apparently, I'm being misunderstood. I didn't mean "have" to, as in, it would be a burden to them, far from it. I meant they shouldn't be forced to by the government because they make more than others. There are plenty of people that worked DAMN hard to get to where they are in life, and should absolutely not be penalized for it. Yes, there are homeless and less fortunate's that need, and get mind you, our's and the govt's help. That doesn't mean that the wealthy should be taxed ridiculous amounts more than the rest of us. What is the fucking motivation to take risks, and work your ass off to get to that type of lot in life, when much more of it will be taken out of your paycheck before you ever see it? I'm also not saying that all rich people worked incredibly hard to get where they are, and are hard working, moral people, but those that are constantly get over looked in these arguements!
Fair enough.
In that case, I see your way of thinking, I just don't think it's the morally right way to do things. There's something to be said for giving back to those who made you wealthy. After all, how much money does one person really need?
klunderbunker
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No apparently you're a fucking idiot.
These people that make these fortunes off the system that made them wealthy seem to have a huge issue when the same system asks for anything back. They're not being penalized for it. They're giving something back to the system that made them be able to have their wealth in the first place. Without it then the country falls apart but hey, they get to buy an extra plane right? Rich people bitching about taxes need to get over themselves in a hurry because they have NOTHING to complain about.
"Ridiculous amounts" is more bullshit. When you're making a million bucks a year and having to pay 390,000, you have NO REASON to bitch. You live in a country where with very little done that year, you're making a FORTUNE. I don't want to hear about how hard these taxes are on them. 40% of their money is FAR less impactful than someone making 40 grand and if you don't get that you're a fucking imbecile.
They've gotten their reward by making that much money in order to have it taxed. If they mess up with it and invest it badly or lose it that's not my fault. Pay the tax, save the rest and be thankful you got what you got. Spare me the bullshit of "BUT THAT'S NOT FAIR!" What isn't fair is you making that much money by comparison to someone that works 10x as hard as you do while you can write off so much stuff through loopholes but we'll ignore that because it makes the rich look more helpless.
Chardee Macdennis
Getting Noticed By Management
Did you ever stop to think that some of those people "making phone calls" and "signing checks" have worked their balls off to get there? Some even struggled immensly to acheive that priveledge? I'm not saying ever fucking millionare in America has, in fact, a good percentage probably didn't. I don't have the facts in front of me, but I once read a good number of millionares are self made. Why should their struggle to get their go unnoticed, and moreover, be penalized? There are certainly some that are struggling, especially in this economy that deserve help. But guess what? There are MANY others that sit back and wait for their check to come every month. Doing absolutely DICK to better their lot in life. There are far too many generalizations that are slapped on the rich, and the poor for that matter. That is what my major problem is.
Chardee Macdennis
Getting Noticed By Management
Granted, and I am an employee of a man that is self made, and he HAS given back. I started there fresh out of college making $9 and hour. Have busted my ass to become manager of the headquarters warehouse. I get bonuses every quater and an incredibly genourous bonus at Christmas. All of this because my owner CHOOSES to give back. He is the type of man that I feel for. He and those like him are who I'm trying to defend here.
