Your Fourtune

[6timehitta]

Alright Folks, I have been looking at the TNA Roster recently and have been thinking the whole Fourtune thing is OK, but what if they could only have 1 of the original members and 3 or 4 new guys that are already not in Fourtune. SOOOOOOO here we go, Pick one guy in Fourtune and build a "New Fourtune" out of the rest of the TNA Roster while nobody from the "Original Fourtune" is included

1. Leader - AJ Styles, well out of them all he is the only one able to lead a group IMO

2. The Muscle - Samoa Joe, noow this would require him to turn heel, but he's kind of a tweener IMO and really easy for him to turn anyways.

3. The Brain/Tactician - Eric Young, EY is so underused and it frustrates the piss out of me. He is extremely talented and can put on a damn good match.

4. The Tag Team - London Brawling, they have that grit and can command a huge audience against the face MCMG.

Now I know this might look like a World Elite wannabe stable, but all these guys can be awesome heels. Not only that with AJ leading and his overall talent he can lead anybody IMO. Have Fun in creating, or critiquing???

 

[Funkydr79]

I actually think fourtune will be perfect from a TNA Roster point of view once they dump douglass Williams.

Beer Money - Definitely a tag team the caliber of Ole and Arn Anderson.
Kaz - A great tactical wrestler (the Tully Blanchard if you will)
AJ - Leader
Ric Flair - the new JJ Dillon

The only person I think could be replaced in that group is AJ. He's a great in-ring performer, and his mic skills are improving but he doesn't have the natural charisma like a Ric Flair. I could see a clean shaven Matt Morgan in that role.

 

[The Wrestler`s Wrestler]

Now I have thought about this myself a few days ago. Mine was a complete change of the original members of fortune. But yours is a bit harder because you want only 1 of the fortune members in the new line up. Im going to give it a try with keeping Beer $$$ because imo they really are one of the top tag teams in the world.
Kurt Angle would be my leader/Mouthpiece.
Samoa Joe would be my muscleman.
And Desmond Wolfe would be my young up & coming diamond in the rough.

 

[ramblinroy682]

For the original four horseman the stable had

Flair: Leader/Mouthpiece
Arn: Enforcer
Ole: Enforcer
Tully: Young Good looking wrestler who was tough enough to be in a fight.


Then you had Luger and Windham

Flair: Leader Mouthpiece
Arn: Enforcer 2nd in Command/Part of the Tag Team/Could lose to Flairs opponent
Tully: Tag Team/Small Tactical Wrestler/Tough to be a Fighter
Windham: Second Tier Singles Guy...could hold the US or TV Title...guy that could afford to lose once in while



Fourtune:
AJ: Leader Mouthpiece
Storm: Enforcer the Arn if you will
Roode: Second In Command in my mind is the Tully

So the guy that doesn't seem to fit to me is Kaz...he could be that lower tier guys who loses and is somewhat interchangeable. I think Daniels would have been a good fit here, but he's gone. I would like to see a young guy who has some potential join in. I like Gunner(Phil Shatter) or Murphy (Mikal Judas) in this role possibly. Build one of them up by association. I also think they could add someone from ROH or the Indies to fill this role. An unknown or a young guy released from WWE. I could even see Chris Harris coming back into this role. Brutus Magnus could be good, I just don't think a british guy is the right call. I just don't really see a guy on the current roster that would truly fit.

So of the guys on the roster, maybe Kaz is the best choice.

 

[DangerousDave]

Fortune has finally settled into what is should be. The four members they have now are about the best choice for the stable that are already on TNA's roster. AJ makes a good leader and has an attitude closest to Flair. He isn't the PWI wrestler of the year for nothing. Beer Money is a great tag team that can win on any given night. The guys are tough and don't mind whacking someone with a beer bottle to get their way. They are also great brawlers. The weak link is Kaz, but for now he is the best choice on the roster. If I could change Fortune, I would replace Kaz with Desmond Wolfe (assuming he comes back to wrestling). Wolfe has the attitude and talent to make a good member and makes a great heel.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

I really don't see too much wrong with Fourtune the way they are right now. When I say that, I mean I have no problem with the members of Fourtune. I do, however, think Fourtune being apart of Immortal is absolutely ridiculous. Actually, I think Immortal is a terrible faction, but that's not exactly what this is about.

I think Fourtune is being booked for shit. They are the hired muscle behind the "important" wrestlers..like Jeff Jarrett??? Fourtune should be doing their own thing. Fourtune should be the #1 heel group in TNA..but no, we have to deal with Immortal.

But that doesn't mean, if I had my picks, I wouldn't add/substract a few guys to/from Fourtune.

Subtractions

Kazarian: He's very good in the ring, but he can't talk. He just doesn't fit the "Horsemen" mold. And like it or not TNA-smarks, this is a Horsemen group. He's a little too high flying. I think it could all work out, if he had mic skills..but he doesn't.

Doug Williams: He seems to be on his way out, and I think it's for the best. The X-Division can flourish with Williams and Kazarian, and I don't think they need to be apart of Fourtune for that to happen. Williams isn't a strong mic guy either.

Additions:

Desmond Wolfe: He should have never been taken away from this group. He is a proven talent in the ring, and is really good on the mic. Maybe one of TNA's best mic workers. He, AJ and Flair had a nice chemistry, and I have no clue why he's not there. I'm pretty sure he's injured right now, but he wasn't when he stopped running with Flair and AJ.

Matt Morgan: He was already apart of this group, but the group was too big. Adding Morgan, Kazarian and Williams was a mistake, and adding them all to Immortal was a total blunder.

I think the whole group should have consisted of Flair, AJ, Wolfe, Morgan and Beer Money. That's six members, but Flair is the manager. I don't like the "Fourtune" title, because they are always going to have more than four members it seems like. If I had to cut it down to four (actual wrestlers, not counting Flair), I would stick with AJ, Wolfe and Beer Money. But Morgan is a nice addition of muscle, and is a big guy who could eventually challenge AJ for leadership of the group, setting up a nice Styles/Morgan feud.

 

[Dagger Dias]

I would keep AJ Styles from the real Fortune as the leader. The Tag Team would be the Motor City Machineguns. The enforcer would be Samoa Joe. I'd also throw in Desmond Wolfe as the last member. This would be a great stable and almost as good as the real Fortune, perhaps even better because you have a contender for every single division in here. AJ could win the world title, MCMG already have the tag titles, Joe could be AJ's enforcer, and then Wolfe would hold the X Division title. They would dominate each division, it would be great.

 

[LSN80]

I don't have a problem with how they are now, but I like the association with Immortal. They grew too big, too fast, and wound up needing to evict members just as quickly. But if I were to have to go with only four wrestlers, with one just being in Fourtune now, here's where Id go.

Flair- There is no Fourtune without Flair. He started the group, and has been in complete control as it's mouthpiece ever since.

Matt Morgan- I think they turned the wrong guy here, and that should have been AJ. Morgan just has a natural heel presence that I still dont see in AJ. I would have rather had AJ stand up for wrestler's health "in the house AJ built" then Morgan, whose been puttting, or attempting to put, guys on the shelf left and right. He has all the tools, size, strength, and presence to be THE monster heel.

Motor City Machine Guns- These guys are just as good of heels as they are faces. Can we go ahead already and give tag team of the year to them? Because of that, why shouldn't they be in stable of the "best" TNA has to offer?

Desmond Wolfe- Health issues notwithstanding, they made a huge mistake in not including him in the stable in the first place. Other then Angle or Styles, he may be the most talented wrestler on the entire roster, yet he became a comedy jobber for awhile. Health permitting, hopefully they'll get things straight with him, soon.

 

[Rasha]

If Fortune is supposed to be the next-gen of the Horsemen then you don't want to muck it up with some niche like an all-British team. The Horsemen legacy is about greatness, plain and simple. You get to be a Horseman (or in Fortune) because you're one of the best in the business, with things like race and/or style being second-place.

I agree with the people who say that the current foursome of AJ, Roode, Storm, and Kaz is a great mix. However, I'd love to see an eventual angle where someone like Wolfe or maybe a fresh face starts challenging Kaz for his spot and trying to impress Flair. It would not only be a great way to put the new guy over, but it puts the stable over as a whole as being all about "standards" and only wanting the best.

 

[jaceynightheat]

Hmm. I wish there just 4 people in Fortune.

Ric Flair as the manager, without a doubt he's needed. And the four active members:

A.J. Styles: Great main guy for the stable without a doubt. I like him as a bad guy.

Beer Money: Yeah, they stay in too. Haha. One of the best tag teams. For some reason Robert Roode reminds me of Barry Windham.

Desmond Wolfe: I really like Wolfe. I think he can be the Arn Anderson/Chris Benoit of the group.

I would not have Kaz. For some reason I just can't back this guy, he seems like poor man's Rob Van Dam. Not saying he should be fired just not in this group.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

I think Fourtune should be comprised of six people of which one has to be Ric Flair. So, other than him, Fourtune should have three singles wrestlers and a tag team.

In my opinion Fourtune should be comprised of:

1) Ric Flair- He should be their manager aka the guy who cuts promos for them.

2) AJ Styles- The main eventer in the group. Should always be in the hunt for the main event title.

3) Desmond Wolfe- The midcarder in the group. He could go for the X-Division title.

4) Samoa Joe- A better option, in my opinion, than Morgan for the role of enforcer because I have been impressed by Morgan's babyface role. Samoa Joe has less charisma than Morgan so he could use this stable to build himself up again. Should be in the hunt for the TV title.

5) The Dudleys- They should have never split up, in my opinion, as they both suck as singles wrestlers. They should have come in as the veteran, past their prime, tag team who cannot flourish anymore without being a part of this stable.

It does not make any sense to have more wrestlers than five because there are only five guys who can hold a title at any point of time in TNA.

 

[Rasha]

4) Samoa Joe- A better option, in my opinion, than Morgan for the role of enforcer because I have been impressed by Morgan's babyface role. Samoa Joe has less charisma than Morgan so he could use this stable to build himself up again. Should be in the hunt for the TV title.

5) The Dudleys- They should have never split up, in my opinion, as they both suck as singles wrestlers. They should have come in as the veteran, past their prime, tag team who cannot flourish anymore without being a part of this stable.

It does not make any sense to have more wrestlers than five because there are only five guys who can hold a title at any point of time in TNA.

Joe has less charisma than Morgan? Since when? Joe has more charisma in his flaring nostrils than Morgan does in most of his promos. TNA's done a nice job the last two years of making you forget that Joe used to be the "golden boy" of the company both on the mic and in the ring. He's never had a program last long enough or go consistently enough to let him display his personality.

Also, what the hell kind of sense does it makes to pair young guys like AJ, Wolfe, and Joe with a has-been duo like the Dudleys? There's NOTHING about them that fits the image of this stable. Could you really see Flair walking down to the ring with a fatboy and black guy?

But on a positive note, you made a good point about not having more stable members than you have belts for them to chase. It works sometimes depending on the nature/mission of the stable (e.g. nWo, D-X), but for a stable that's all about "being the best" then it is a good idea to not have them wrestling in the same divisions.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

Joe has less charisma than Morgan? Since when? Joe has more charisma in his flaring nostrils than Morgan does in most of his promos. TNA's done a nice job the last two years of making you forget that Joe used to be the "golden boy" of the company both on the mic and in the ring. He's never had a program last long enough or go consistently enough to let him display his personality.

Also, what the hell kind of sense does it makes to pair young guys like AJ, Wolfe, and Joe with a has-been duo like the Dudleys? There's NOTHING about them that fits the image of this stable. Could you really see Flair walking down to the ring with a fatboy and black guy?

But on a positive note, you made a good point about not having more stable members than you have belts for them to chase. It works sometimes depending on the nature/mission of the stable (e.g. nWo, D-X), but for a stable that's all about "being the best" then it is a good idea to not have them wrestling in the same divisions.

Well I have never seen Joe as Mr Charisma. He's a good wrestler but thats about it. I've been impressed by Morgan's work as a face both recently as well as his work with Angle during the Main Event Mafia days. So that is my reasoning behind what I have said. Joe got boring fast even as a badass to me and that is one of the hardest gimmicks to mess up.

As for the Dudleys I've already explained. They would be the tag team that is past their prime and need a stable to remain relevant. I hate their break up and I think they can be more useful in this way. The thing is I already see Joe, Wolfe and Styles gaining from this stable as well as Dudleys staying relevant until they retire. I know they are not the conventional choice but I think that teams like Beer Money and MCMG are talented enough not to require a rub from the likes of Flair.

 

[Rasha]

I understand your logic about the Dudleys and maybe it would fit another stable, but if you do that then the entire identity of Fortune changes. Fortune is driven by Flair's desire to recreate a Horsemen-like entity that embodies greatness. Having some over-the-hill tag team latch on for survival is the opposite of what Flair's trying to build (though the joke is that he's latching on to the young guys in his own way).

Don't get me wrong; a stable with the five wrestlers you mentioned could work in another context. But I don't see how Flair and the Dudleys can be aligned in any way. Just the way that he reacted to EV2 should tell you how Flair feels about anyone from that mold.

 

[Mr. Artistic guy]

You have to remember that you can't just have guys who are good wrestlers. It needs to be people who can fit into the formula of being fortune, a group of young cocky guys who wear suits, win matches and think they are better than everyone. So I would not be putting joe into the stable, he didn't fit into MEM and he wouldn't fit here, joe is his own guy and that is the only way he can do. So that said I would have:

1) A.J.Styles - Naturally the centerpiece because h is a great athlete and so can hold the individual titles like he does at the moment. His mic work isn't all as bad as everybody makes out anyway, the really digs the fortune/horsemen style of this is my house ie it's all about me. AJ gets it so he definately gets to stay.

Honourable mention to a one mr pope d'angelo dinero. I know this may be an odd choice upon first glace because quite frankly everybody wonders is a black guy could be the centerpiece. But pope can play arrogant so well this role of the main guy would fit him like a glove on the hand of michael jackson. On paper he is quite possibly a better choice than AJ also being able to do great in ring work but as we all know is a far better mic worker than A.J. but in practice it is a little radical. I'll let you think on that one.

2) Beer money - Yes without a shadow of a shadow of a doubt I wouldn't move these guys for anything. They above anybody else have fit into the dynamic of the group inacculately. With robert roode's charisma and james storm's work as a background party guy enforcing the group's image these two are the backbone of fortune (with ric flair naturally), if they changed, even if it was to london brawling, it would not work to full capacity.

Honourable mention here to london brawling. Also a good choice but not as good as beer money and also not really viable with the unreliable health of desmond wolfe.

3) Matt Morgan - Too late now but morgan actually fit into fortune really well with a nice little niche he had there of being the insurance policy. At least him being there would have saved him from being involved in that poorly done face turn, but then again he wouldn't be in the title picture. But regardless, it would set things up well because he could hold the T.V. title, beer money could be tag champs and A.J. being the number one could have the x division and world title as he fits into both categories. Morgan made sense as a great piece of muscle but it is almost a shame to keep him from being world champ even if it came about in questionable circumstances. The only problem with him in this role is that he arguably has too much charisma for a big tough muscle man, morgan is one of few tall guys who is pretty good on the mic. I'd have him but he may not be the best choice overall.

Honourable mention: In the role of fourth guy they need someone who can either be big muscle who doesn't talk much, or an X division type wrestler who can talk to cover all bases. That is exactly why doug williams is falling out of fortune, he doesn't fit into the group dynamic. He can't talk like them because he's british and hasn't got the same brand of cocky attitude as they do. And so whilst I'm on the subject, not kaz. Great wrestler and fits the x-divison format but he really doesn't get the group. When he talks he looks uncomfortable and out of place in the group. He has got charisma and style but not suited for fortune at all, I don't like the fact he got called up in the first place and don't like the fact he is there now.

My number one pick under the correct circumstances would definately be desmond wolfe. He is just right for the group, he can enhance them and they can enhance him. he can fit into X-divison and flourish and can talk like nobody's business.

5) Ric flair - Should not move a muscle. He is as hot right now as any guy in TNA bar perhaps anderson. He has been there before, he was the original and he can disperse his wealth of knowledge on the group endlessly. He is nothing but good right now as the brain behind fortune. If I had one piece of advice for him it would be don't go anywhere. If ric flair was not in it, the group wouldn't be half as good, we'd all be calling them four horsemen wannabe's but seen as they are endorsed by "THE MAN", we all know them as the new generation of horsemen.

So to recap, A.J, beer money, desmond/matt morgan w/ric flair. That is the fortune I'd like to see, aint gunna happen.