You Know What's Sad (re: Cena vs. Bryan)?

[Poop Master Flex]

Are you a freaking idiot? Ziggler pulled of a double turn, if that doesn't show you GREAT wrestling psychology, nothing shows it. This post is idiot, from top to bottom.

Are you actually saying Ziggler reads from a script? No shit! They all do. Ziggler is solid in the mic, he's as good as any midcarder. He delivers his crap with passion and in a believable way. Like I said, he isn't The Rock or Jake Roberts of any sorts, but he's unique and he isn't forced. Show me a bad promo from Ziggler and I'll shut up. If Ziggler got fired tomorrow people would care yes, because well, he's a two time world champion and, it may be just me, but he actually gets a great amount of pop when he comes in, so he's doing something good no doubt.

Good god! Now Evan Bourne is being compared to the best luchador in North America ever? I don't even know what to say. The only thing Evan Bourne sells in a believable way is the part where he misses the Shooting Star Press and actually huts himself by hitting the mat. In a normal match, Evan Bourne is a normal indy wrestler going from one spot to another and not showing any kind of emotion while doing that. Comparing Evan Bourne to Dolph Ziggler as a professional wrestler should show everybody how clueless you are.

It's okay to hate Ziggler, but don't try to tell me he's a piece of shit because he isn't. He gets good reactions from the crowd, he has more than solid matches every week and he's a solid talker. He isn't going to be the face of anything, but he deserves his spot and the fanbase he has.

Yeah because Del Rio had nothing to do with that double turn. If Del Rio wasn't being such an ass that match it wouldn't have worked. I also said its the only thing he did of note.

Show me a Ziggler promo that's memorable, show me a match that's memorable, show me anything about Ziggler that's memorable, I bet you won't find anything. Name one thing Ziggler does that sets him apart. If you can't then at best he's a decent mechanic and nothing more, which is what I'm saying. Hes a fucking mechanic! There are a million in wrestling. If you are just a mechanic you aren't that good. Since Ziggler is so good maybe prove it since that's how debates work.

Also when one reads a script its not supposed to be obvious, that's why you read a script and give your version of it like great mic workers do not just read the script word by word. Punk gets a script but he ad libs it to make it work for him, I just don't believe anything Ziggler says like I do Punk or Cena.

I never compared him to Bourne either, I just said I've at least seen Bourne matches that were solid, I don't think he's amazing but he is more than just a spot monkey. I even said he wasn't as good as Rey too so read the whole fucking post before saying I'm comparing him to Rey. I said he works his spots into a match like Rey, doesn't mean he's nearly as good it just means he can work a match while doing spots whereas a spot monkey just does spots and doesn't really work a match.

Its not that Ziggler is bad, he's just not that good and his spot is interchangeable with others on the roster. Everything he does is just ok. He gets a reaction true but its nothing to write home about.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

Sorry but I didn't read where you said that. Guess we're just seeing the same thing with Zigs.

I know, I can't be the only who noticed and is duly annoyed by his frat boy delivery.

 

[Hard Hit Prince]

Yeah because Del Rio had nothing to do with that double turn. If Del Rio wasn't being such an ass that match it wouldn't have worked. I also said its the only thing he did of note.

If Ziggler didn't sell like Del Rio was nearly killing him, it wouldn't have worked either. Del Rio just needed to kick him and he would do the job easily.

Show me a Ziggler promo that's memorable, show me a match that's memorable, show me anything about Ziggler that's memorable, I bet you won't find anything. Name one thing Ziggler does that sets him apart. If you can't then at best he's a decent mechanic and nothing more, which is what I'm saying. Hes a fucking mechanic! There are a million in wrestling. If you are just a mechanic you aren't that good. Since Ziggler is so good maybe prove it since that's how debates work.

That promo w/ AJ Lee where he called her thrash and something like that, that ended with a cool brawl against Cena, I also liked that one that made Jericho turn face last Summer. Ziggler's cash in was easily one of the best moments of this year. Ziggler takes a bump like anyone else does, his looks set him apart so does his promo style. See, I did it! I turned him into a professional wrestler.

Want great solid matches involving Dolph Ziggler is that? Against Rey Mysterio, Daniel Bryan, some with Kofi Kingston, against John Morrison, Randy Orton, CM Punk, freaking Jericho, one against The Miz in WWE Main Event and the whole Del Rio story.

Also when one reads a script its not supposed to be obvious, that's why you read a script and give your version of it like great mic workers do not just read the script word by word. Punk gets a script but he ad libs it to make it work for him, I just don't believe anything Ziggler says like I do Punk or Cena.

You are also trying to compare Ziggler to the two best talkers in the business today and NOBODY here was trying to do that. He isn't Antonio Cesaro that makes people feel awkward while talking. If you hear him in an interview, what you hear is what you get in a promo, he's just a regular solid talker. He lacks his big promo, because to be fair, when was the last time he had a feud to actually do that?

I never compared him to Bourne either, I just said I've at least seen Bourne matches that were solid, I don't think he's amazing but he is more than just a spot monkey. I even said he wasn't as good as Rey too so read the whole fucking post before saying I'm comparing him to Rey. I said he works his spots into a match like Rey, doesn't mean he's nearly as good it just means he can work a match while doing spots whereas a spot monkey just does spots and doesn't really work a match.

The only solid match I've seen Bourne in was against Chris Jericho. That's it and yes, he is a spot monkey. He lacks facial expressions and his moveset always looks sloppy, he has NOTHING on Rey Mysterio Jr.

Its not that Ziggler is bad, he's just not that good and his spot is interchangeable with others on the roster. Everything he does is just ok. He gets a reaction true but its nothing to write home about

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I didn't say he was great, but he's good at what he does. He's not the best, he's not the worst and SINCE crowd REACTS to him, that means that PEOPLE CARE FOR HIM, so making him DESERVE HIS SPOT and hopefully his future push to the World Championship, where he will have his time to cut promos that I'll be able to bring here for your idiotic brain.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

If Ziggler didn't sell like Del Rio was nearly killing him, it wouldn't have worked either. Del Rio just needed to kick him and he would do the job easily.

That promo w/ AJ Lee where he called her thrash and something like that, that ended with a cool brawl against Cena, I also liked that one that made Jericho turn face last Summer. Ziggler's cash in was easily one of the best moments of this year. Ziggler takes a bump like anyone else does, his looks set him apart so does his promo style. See, I did it! I turned him into a professional wrestler.

Want great solid matches involving Dolph Ziggler is that? Against Rey Mysterio, Daniel Bryan, some with Kofi Kingston, against John Morrison, Randy Orton, CM Punk, freaking Jericho, one against The Miz in WWE Main Event and the whole Del Rio story.

You are also trying to compare Ziggler to the two best talkers in the business today and NOBODY here was trying to do that. He isn't Antonio Cesaro that makes people feel awkward while talking. If you hear him in an interview, what you hear is what you get in a promo, he's just a regular solid talker. He lacks his big promo, because to be fair, when was the last time he had a feud to actually do that?

The only solid match I've seen Bourne in was against Chris Jericho. That's it and yes, he is a spot monkey. He lacks facial expressions and his moveset always looks sloppy, he has NOTHING on Rey Mysterio Jr.

I didn't say he was great, but he's good at what he does. He's not the best, he's not the worst and SINCE crowd REACTS to him, that means that PEOPLE CARE FOR HIM, so making him DESERVE HIS SPOT and hopefully his future push to the World Championship, where he will have his time to cut promos that I'll be able to bring here for your idiotic brain.

Del Rio sold that turn just as much as Ziggler so if you really think it was all Ziggler you don't get it. Ziggler did his part but Del Rio did just as much. I don't know why you keep bringing this up as its the one thing Ziggler did I actually liked as I've said that before.

Also everything you just said about Ziggler is just ok, I asked for something memorable and you failed to provide it. Also he looks like a second rate Billy Gunn, yeah that look really sets him apart. His promo calling AJ trash wasn't too bad although I will admit the brawl where he put Cena through the stalls was pretty cool so I will give you that.

We disagree that his programs are memorable and people forget that its easy to get booed when you are associated with a heat magnet like Vickie Guerrero. Also AJ did a lot to help Zigglers turn as well so the guy has had A LOT of help from the people he was associated with. How Ziggler swims in the next 6 months alone will prove just how good he really is. I will also make you a deal in saying that. If Ziggler can make a splash on his own I will create a thread praising how you are right and I am wrong but now is the time for Ziggler to prove how good he really is, by himself without the need of others to get him over.

Bourne has had plenty of good matches, his Cyber Sunday match with Matt Hardy comes to mind for example. He's not a spot monkey, he just does spots because its one of the few ways a guy his size can get over and there is rhyme and reason to his spots. Bret never had facial expressions either yet he's one of the best ever in the ring and with psychology. And NO I'm not comparing Evan to Bret I'm just saying facial expressions don't dictate psychology and Bret proves that.

Once again no Evan and nearly as good as Rey, just in case you wanna harp on that some more.

 

[Coco]

Based on? Not in the WWE management that's for sure, but I am interested now. Who's the genius?

I am. I have very limited faith in WWE management.

When was the last time you bought a PPV?

Last month. Your move, chuckles.

 

[braveh]

Are you a freaking idiot? Ziggler pulled of a double turn, if that doesn't show you GREAT wrestling psychology, nothing shows it.

Is that what was going on because I wasn't paying attention

 

[shattered dreams]

Last month. Your move, chuckles.

Oh yeah, I forgot RVD was back. Is that what you wanted to see more than this match? What do they cost in the arctic tundra you call home?

 

[Coco]

Hovering around $50. But let's be honest: I'll probably also want the DVD next month because the dual main events will likely hold some level of rewatch value for me. So that's $70 for three hours of entertainment. Three hours that WWE has tried their damnedest to talk me out of.

Come on, man. I'll probably head to the local sports bar that airs these things, even though that crowd disgusts me. I just don't want to put $50 into this.

And yes, the MITB factor, plus the return of RVD, plus Cena vs Henry. That's three big attractions to me versus SummerSlam's two. Sure, SummerSlam's two may be bigger attractions. But I guess I'm a "quantity over quality" kind of guy. Who knew?! I sure didn't.

If the PPV spoils the result of Van Dam vs Ambrose for me, I'll rape puppies.

 

[Hard Hit Prince]

I am. I have very limited faith in WWE management.

They could put David Otunga in charge of WWE and I would still give him more relevancy than in each and every guy here in this boards, including me. And you are clearly not a genius, or smart.

 

[Coco]

Spoken like a true moron.