WWE TLC - WWE Divas Championship: AJ Lee (c) VS Natalya

[Jack-Hammer]

With Nattie earning a couple of wins over AJ the past few weeks in various tag matches, she's been awarded a title match against AJ Lee at TLC. Given that, all in all, WWE has put more emphasis on the relevancy of the Divas over the past 6 months or so, I find myself hoping that this match is made into a Tables Match. Frankly, I think it'd just be kinda cool to see a Diva be put through a table because it's not really something we've seen in WWE. I won't hold my breath, but I'd still like to see it.

Given that AJ has been on a bit of a losing streak in tag matches to Natalya, I'm thinking she pulls out the victory here. I might be wrong but, for some reason, I don't see AJ ending 2013 without being Divas Champion.

 

[gk11973]

This match has been long in the making for sure. Nattie was being built as the challenger months ago, but then she tapped out at in the fatal fourway at NOC and they seemed to slow down her push. Instead the Bella Twins stepped in as the challengers for quite a while and AJ picked up several victories over them. Then all of a sudden Natalya was being pushed again, and did indeed pick up victory after victory over AJ. Considering the focus on Nattie's frustration with her lack of success over the years that has been shown on Total Diva's, I could see a title win being the ultimate outcome for her. Somehow, I think AJ will retain at NOC, either via DQ or CO, or a tainted victory due to Tamina. I think this feud goes on until the Rumble and Natalya finally takes the title there, and heads in WM30 as champion. The first episode of Total Diva's showed her dissappointment at being left off the WM29 card, so seeing her go the 30 as champ would be a good story for that show to tell.

 

[The Fabulous Rougeau's]

I figured this would be Brie's match. Either way I think this is the end of AJ's title run. With a second season already ordered for Total Divas, I'm sure filming will begin sometime in early 2014 with the show returning to tv around WrestleMania time. I think they will want for season 2 to have one of the girls on the show be champ. I figured it would be Brie as she seems to be the focal point of the show, but Nattie makes sense too as she is involved in the most stuff on the show with balancing her life with TJ as well as trying to get higher on the card while having to help/mentor the younger girls. She probably has the most interaction on the show with all the girls.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

Why would you take the title off A.J. and put ot on a career nobody like Natalya? I don't watch Total Divas but I imagine it'd make for a more interesting storyline for that show if Natalya failed in her quest to find...I want to say gold but that belt looks like it's made of sweets!

A.J. should hold the title until a new Diva is introduced on the roster. Natalya is part of the old Divas that need to be moved on. Be that to a glue factory or TNA.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

AJ retains, because she's the best choice to be Divas Champion right now, and there's no one else on the roster, who's ready to fill her spot. It's as simple as that.

With each passing week, I find myself rooting for AJ more and more. Sorry, but I don't remember a moment, where any of the Total Divas truly turned face. It's like WWE trotted them out in front of the cameras one night, forcing everyone to believe they're the good people, without an explanation of any kind. We're supposed to like them, because they're "stars" on a reality show? Bullshit.

 

[The Eighties]

I'm hoping WWE realize that they should not book their wrestling product around their lame reality show, from what I saw of the first two eps the focus is the corny love life stuff as that is the kind of thing that attracts the audience that watches "reality" TV, one of them winning the title wont boost the show on iota.

The concern is whether AJ is actually fit, I might be reading too much into last nights tag where she did nothing but get rolled up, however given her recent injuries you have to wonder. If AJ is fine though this should be a decent match that sees her beat her challenger as usual, as no Diva is as close to as over as she is so there is no point in taking the title off her.

 

[Pedigree1]

oh yah i love AJ i tweet her every chance i get! No chance in hell does Natalya pull off the upset here. AJ is head and shoulders above all the other divas,she is most deserving of ending the year Divas champion. There is no other Diva besides her right now,that can hold and act the same as AJ! I get that,as of late AJ has been on a bit of a losing streak but the look on her face last night,like ehhh no big deal she retains here!

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

The reality show gets good ratings for that network and exposes the wwe to a different audience. If you don't like it, don't watch but there is a logical and smart reason for it. This should be a really good match.

 

[The Eighties]

The reality show gets good ratings for that network and exposes the wwe to a different audience. If you don't like it, don't watch but there is a logical and smart reason for it. This should be a really good match.

I don't know why you need to defend everything WWE does as if any critique is unwarranted, and no one said it didn't do solid ratings either, just that it shouldn't have any effect on the booking of the actual wrestling product.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

I don't know why you need to defend everything WWE does as if any critique is unwarranted, and no one said it didn't do solid ratings either, just that it shouldn't have any effect on the booking of the actual wrestling product.

I defend things that have clear and obvious reasons. That's it. Some people on here don't understand business. I don't like or watch total divas and I won't defend the content because I think it sucks (much like everything else on E!) but I understand it. It should have some baring on booking because it's all interrelated.

 

[The Eighties]

I defend things that have clear and obvious reasons. That's it. Some people on here don't understand business. I don't like or watch total divas and I won't defend the content because I think it sucks (much like everything else on E!) but I understand it. It should have some baring on booking because it's all interrelated.

You come off like you are getting a paycheck from WWE or something with how you go in on everyone that criticizes things, this is a message board about what people enjoy in wrestling, not a business site where people are going to say they think something is fine because it may earn Vince an extra few bucks. Just because something may play well to a degree to a certain sector doesn't remove the fact that many people may think it's a pile of shit and are free to say so, it's why the net is full of Miley Cyrus and Bieber hate, no one is earning a dime off them so fuck it when you give a view on their music, it's got nothing to do with understanding business.

The Total Divas show has shown zero signs of getting any of the Divas over as the supposed babyfaces of this angle and it's a show that is supposed to exist outside kayfabe, I see no point in having an ep where Natalya gets to sit there and say to the Bellas "Yay! they are giving me the title tonight" as I honestly don't think the viewers of it give a shit, the hook is the love life stuff from what I've seen.

 

[The Perfect Max]

I like this pairing. Two good in-ring wrestlers with similar and contrasting styles. The issue? Who cares about Natalya? While I do, not many do, and why should they? I hope that WWE begin to realize what divas it should be pushing. AJ Lee, Natalya, Tamina Snuka, Kaitlyn and upcoming NXT candidates.

Anyway, I think this will be a good match. If given enough time it could be as good as AJ Lee's earlier matches in the year, you know, the great ones! They could play on having strong submission holds in their respective résumés, and I think this feud could last past TLC. It should anyway. A submission match for the Divas Championship? Perhaps.

AJ Lee wins here. She's been built too big to lose first time round to Natalya. If the feud continues, I could see Natalya capturing the title, but as I said, further down the line. My worry is that Brie and Nikki, or any "Total Diva" for that matter, gets involved. Please, no.

 

[fouldsy91]

AJ has guaranteed she will retain the title at TLC, which to me means, she'll get DQ'd.

Natalya isn't going to win the title just yet, and she can't get beat otherwise she most likely wouldn't receive a rematch, so I can see AJ winning by DQ thanks to Tamina, meaning AJ kept her promise but she doesn't necessarily need to win the match.

 

[HBsam31]

I agree that AJ is the best choice for Divas champion right now, and I don;t think she is losing here. As talented as Natalya is, she hasn't really amounted to anything, and I don;t see her winning the title. AJ might lose by dq or count out, but she will leave this match Divas Champion.

 

[Mustang Sally]

I think AJ's time may have come. She's been the diva champion since June? For the women, that's Sammartino-esque in longevity. Plus, her title reign seems to have lost it's luster; she's spending as much time watching Tamina in the ring as performing herself.

In addition, there's Natalya's connection to the Diva TV show. If WWE management wants to use the program to advance the cause of any of the divas who wrestle, better it should be Natalya than any of the others on the show. Unless you want the redhead as champion, whatever the hell her name is.

I think Natalya wins this match......she may not keep the title for long, but holding it gives her a chance to talk it up while the show runs. Now, that may be a priority of management.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

You come off like you are getting a paycheck from WWE or something with how you go in on everyone that criticizes things, this is a message board about what people enjoy in wrestling, not a business site where people are going to say they think something is fine because it may earn Vince an extra few bucks. Just because something may play well to a degree to a certain sector doesn't remove the fact that many people may think it's a pile of shit and are free to say so, it's why the net is full of Miley Cyrus and Bieber hate, no one is earning a dime off them so fuck it when you give a view on their music, it's got nothing to do with understanding business.

The Total Divas show has shown zero signs of getting any of the Divas over as the supposed babyfaces of this angle and it's a show that is supposed to exist outside kayfabe, I see no point in having an ep where Natalya gets to sit there and say to the Bellas "Yay! they are giving me the title tonight" as I honestly don't think the viewers of it give a shit, the hook is the love life stuff from what I've seen.

Wwe is a business ran like a business and does things that make business sense. Me explaining the obvious reasons they do things brings a perspective here other than some guys arguing that their favorite wrestler/idea is better than another guys because it's his idea.

 

[Dagger Dias]

What's this? WWE is putting its top prize for female WRESTLERS up for grabs in a match between their two girls who are the best WRESTLERS on their female roster? Can this really be true? It's a miracle. I have been wanting to see this match for a VERY long time. If ever there were a time that AJ might lose, this is it. I've loved her title reign as it was easily the best in quite a while. Natalya deserves another run with the belt and no one else could believably defeat AJ at this point. Who else could she possibly feud with afterwards? I mean there's always the possibility of revisiting the Kaitlyn feud for Wrestlemania, but then this would need to be extended as a feud to buy time until then. I'd be fine with that. The longer this feud lasts, the better it could be for the belt and the division.

As for this match in particular.... It might not be one of the best of the night, but this is about as good as it gets for the divas today. I will go into it with low expectations as I often do with divas matches, but I'm looking forward to it. That doesn't happen with very many divas matches. Then we have the question of its card placement. The fans will need somewhat of a chance to calm down in between the handicap matches and the world title match. I'd say it goes on next to last, right before the world title match. AJ retains after a strong effort from both girls, the feud extends into the Royal Rumble with Natalya getting a rematch. That is both what I hope for and predict.

DAGGER'S PREDICTION
AJ retains the Divas Championship.

 

[The Eighties]

Good to see AJ win and this was the best Divas match of the year, now granted there isn't a lot of competition, but still, both women worked a fluid and technically good match. My guess is AJ loses the belt tonight to one of the plastic fantastic twins as her punishment for the stuff with the NBC chick.

Wwe is a business ran like a business and does things that make business sense. Me explaining the obvious reasons they do things brings a perspective here other than some guys arguing that their favorite wrestler/idea is better than another guys because it's his idea.

If you really think everything WWE does is based purely on business sense I guess a lot of guys that have actually worked in the business and for WWE must need guidance from you as well, and again, this is a message board about opinions, whether something makes 10 bucks or a million bucks, if you think it's shit you think it's shit, and I really don't think a fellow IWC'er like you really is in a place to be trying to educate anyone as your idea of doing so is that everything WWE does must be right and the best business choice, like they are infallible.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Good to see AJ win and this was the best Divas match of the year, now granted there isn't a lot of competition, but still, both women worked a fluid and technically good match. My guess is AJ loses the belt tonight to one of the plastic fantastic twins as her punishment for the stuff with the NBC chick.



If you really think everything WWE does is based purely on business sense I guess a lot of guys that have actually worked in the business and for WWE must need guidance from you as well, and again, this is a message board about opinions, whether something makes 10 bucks or a million bucks, if you think it's shit you think it's shit, and I really don't think a fellow IWC'er like you really is in a place to be trying to educate anyone as your idea of doing so is that everything WWE does must be right and the best business choice, like they are infallible.

No, not everything they do is right. But things like bitching about why the unified title match was at TLC and not mania is silly. 1. It makes more business sense and 2. You don't know the full story. May as well complain that snickers aren't filled with ketchup.

This was a great match last night though. The divas division is pretty strong now.

 

[The Eighties]

No, not everything they do is right. But things like bitching about why the unified title match was at TLC and not mania is silly. 1. It makes more business sense and 2. You don't know the full story. May as well complain that snickers aren't filled with ketchup.

This was a great match last night though. The divas division is pretty strong now.

Then what are people going to post about? They are either going to say they like something or say they hate it, that's the point, we are here to discuss content not corporate stuff that none of us truly know the ins and outs of.

At any rate I never got why anyone thought the title's needed to be unified at Mania, that PPV sells regardless, having the match at TLC may have pumped up the buys on a second tier event, plus the WHC has been a mid card belt for ages now anyway and dissolving it into the main title just streamlines things nicely as we head into Mania season.

The Divas in ring product has improved over the last few months I agree, but they really need to find a face or turn AJ face and get Summer Rae primed to be the next top heel Diva, lots of solid performers but only one star right now.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Then what are people going to post about? They are either going to say they like something or say they hate it, that's the point, we are here to discuss content not corporate stuff that none of us truly know the ins and outs of.

At any rate I never got why anyone thought the title's needed to be unified at Mania, that PPV sells regardless, having the match at TLC may have pumped up the buys on a second tier event, plus the WHC has been a mid card belt for ages now anyway and dissolving it into the main title just streamlines things nicely as we head into Mania season.

The Divas in ring product has improved over the last few months I agree, but they really need to find a face or turn AJ face and get Summer Rae primed to be the next top heel Diva, lots of solid performers but only one star right now.

They can say whatever they want, and I can play devil's advocate and explain the business savvy of whatever move they do. Or at least the attempted business savvy (as not all moves work out).

I completely agree with your second point about the title unification (good business move).

I think AJ Lee works best as a heel. Maybe use her to elevate babyfaces. Maybe turn Tamina into a supergirl...wonderwoman? babyface.