WWE TLC 2012: John Cena VS Dolph Ziggler - Money in the Bank briefcase [Ladder Match]

[Olan]

Logically, Dolph's briefcase is for the World Heavyweight Championship, a title Punk does not hold, making it impossible for Dolph to cash his briefcase in on Punk.

And I don't really even know what you mean by your last sentence, since Punk has no briefcase to speak of and hasn't in years.

Punk was an obvious typo, I meant Dolph of course.
As for the other, does it HAVE to be for the WHC? I always thought it could be for either title especially given Dolph spends most of his time on RAW where the WWE Title is

 

[Suneeboy]

Cena should lose. The character doesn't need to win against Ziggler, he's already been in way bigger matches. On top of that Cena has already beaten Ziggler on multiple occasions. The Cena character doesn't need the MITB Briefcase to be relevant or to get title shots. They can always work those into the storyline, regardless of how many times he loses.

Cena would be better off getting into the title picture through an Elimination Chamber win. He shouldn't win the Rumble either, as he doesn't need a Rumble win (Ryback should, and dethrone Show for the WHC at 'Mania).

You need to keep Cena out of the way until Mania, so that you can build out the rest of the card. He's already a lock to draw. The other characters in the mix need to be built so that the PPV can be solid and relevant across the board.

Ziggler has until July to cash in, he has plenty of time. No one will care if he was WHC right now. He loses too much.

 

[DX Mols]

If Cena takes the case from Dolph @ TLC, I will stop watching the WWE.

The only thing I can see happening here is an AJ heel turn to help Dolph keep the case. That's the only thing that makes sense.

 

[hardmick33]

I love how everyone is already freaking about this. How about you let it play out and see how things go? Dolph is going to be a main eventer, it is going to happen. If Cena wins the briefcase, Dolph will win the Rumble, or MITB again next year. Absolutely ridiculous to say you'll stop watching if Dolph loses. If that's the case, please stop watching. There's going to be a few more years of Cena getting superhero treatment, so either get used to it or move on.

As far as what I think is going to happen, I don't think Cena wins this one. I see an AJ heel turn. They didn't cover it on RAW, but Cena swearing off AJ on Twitter is something that can easily turn AJ into her previous crazed self that we all loved so much. Her and Dolph togther will be great too.

I also think that Doplh should cash in the briefcase before the ladder match and beat either Show or Sheamus for the title. Show lost in 45 seconds last year and I think the same could happen here. Ziggler will think that he doesn't have to defend the briefcase against Cena, but now he'll have a title to defend instead. From there AJ costs Cena the match and we can have another match between the two at RR.

Anyway it goes, I'm interested in this. Sorry to all of you that are just oh so angry about a wrestling angle, but I think good things come out of this for Dolph regardless of the outcome.

 

[mooseman]

This is personally what I see happening. Cena wins at TLC. Ziggler makes the face change on Vicki and also reveals it was him not Cena with AJ. Vicki goes crazy and demands since Dolph is in the Rumble he must be #1. Cena announces he is cashing in at the Rumble vs Big Show and wins. Punk defends against The Rock and with help from The Shield defeats The Rock. Ziggler starts #1 and wins the Rumble. We got Ziggler vs Punk at Mania. What better way to complete Ziggler as a top guy than to be the one to end Punks long reign as champ? Thats why it can't be The Rock at Rumble because you waste a great opportunity to really establish someone. As far as Rock - Cena 2 goes after Rumble Rock complains about being screwed and is granted a title match vs Cena at Mania.

 

[j2dlyc]

If Cena does win then I will probably stop watching WWE. Not because ill be butt hurt about Ziggler being denied the opportunity he deserves (although I will be) but because where will it leave the company if he does. If Cena wins he cashes in and takes the title, he wont lose again. Rock comes in and most likely beats CM Punk for the WWE title, thats almost a given. You now have the two biggest titles in the company stuck in a feud between two people. Where does this leave Punk, Ziggler, Sheamus, Show, Barret, Miz etc etc? It would effectively mean derailing every possible feud just so the Rock and Cena can have titles to take into the Wrestlemania match, a match that doesnt need a title to draw, and a match that frankly a lot of people dont want to see again.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Anything involving main event faces is an "injustice" in The Shields eyes. Though, from a logical standpoint your idea makes actual sense, unlike attacking Kane and DB for no reason. My only problem with this possibility is after attacking Cena as well, how far is this really from Nexus? I guess that's more rhetorical as this would be a discussion for another thread. Plus I'm not sure Cena would get involved with such a (probably) long storyline considering The Rock is coming to town soon after TLC. I think that's where Ryback might be occupied since he doesn't seem to be planned for anything big in the Road to WrestleMania. Of course, that's just speculation too.

I think it makes sense to have them attack Team Hell No if it's ultimately WWE's intention of, at various points, having The Shield interact with the most over babyfaces on the roster. The attacks aren't random or aimed at guys in the lower card. After all, beating up someone like Santino or Zack Ryder or Yoshi Tatsu simply isn't going to generate interest for the group. Kane & Randy Orton are two long established big players in WWE and Kane's popularity has only increased the past several months. Bryan has been the breakout star in WWE in 2012. The Shield beating down Ryback has only helped him. During the attack on Team Hell No last night, there was a "Cena" chant that soon morphed into vocal "Feed Me More" chants whenever they came out the other times during the show. The other two big league players right now are Sheamus & John Cena.

Involving Cena is something that gives me some pause as well because, let's face it, Cena goes over almost everybody 99 times out of 100 and only loses the one mostly through major cheating. Since they haven't fed The Shield to Ryback, I don't think they'd do it with Cena at this time. With the start of the build to WM right around the corner, I think WWE will want to do something to ultimately keep everyone looking good. There's potential money in The Shield and I think WWE knows it, so feeding them to Cena in the same way as they did virtually all the members of Nexus is counterproductive.

 

[xavyer]

First of all, i think that this match will make or break Ziggler, i read a lot of great ideas fo that match, but i think Ziggler needs to win clean in this match, because he has something to proove, and it wouldn't hurt Cena, it would be like when Stone Cold put over Triple H in the 3 stages of hell match, Ziggler may not be as ruthless as Triple H, but he's talented enough to pull the upset, and he may not need any interference, he can capitalize on Cena's " knee injury " during the match, as Cena is climing the latter, Ziggler can hit his knee with a chair, or another latter or something, and as soon as Cena hits the floor Ziggler can clime up the latter and take the briefcase, and as soon as Vicky tries to celebrate with him, he can tell her that this match was her fault or something like that, and then dump her, and add a little shock to this, all of a sudden Kaitlyn shows up and kisses Ziggler, and he tells Vicky that he was the one to sugested the Cena/ AJ scandal so he can set her up for humiliation and Kaitlyn in a way geting back at AJ for slaping her a few times, and also Kaitlyn and Vicky had a little history when Kaitlyn was in NXT, she had a crush on Ziggler and Vicky was jelaus, they can say that they both used Vicky, or something else, as long as it makes Ziggler more relevant than he is now.......

 

[XXJJ]

I'm hoping Cena will win but I doubt it. He pinned Dolph twice on tv because Dolph is winning at TLC. AJ is still an unstable crazy chick...I bet see turns on Cena and costs him the match. Cena goes for the sympathy angle with crowd leading up to the royal rumble and he ends up winning the Rumble.

The problem with Dolph becoming champion is who exactly is he going to feud with? He has wrestled Orton and Sheamus a lot over the last 6 months.

Their better off having Dolph cash in the contract after WM. He will just get lost in the shuffle if he cashes it in during WM season. THey need to wait so they can put more focus on him becoming champion. Extreme Rules would probably be the best time for Dolph to win the title.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

Well, I guess the love drama with Cena and AJ is starting to lose steam, and WWE is really stretching this soap opera beyond its limits, so the Cena/Ziggler feud needed a fresh spark.

Ziggler wins, because I honestly can't see the logic in having Cena become WHC. If the Raw briefcase was on the line, then I would believe in Cena having a more legit shot at winning the match. But why would you send your #1 guy to Smackdown? Who is Cena going to feud with, if he wins the WHC? Big Show? I honestly can't think of anyone else, because Show is the #1 heel Smackdown. Cena winning the WHC would cause too much of a mess for Smackdown's world title picture, because as of right now, Cena would only have one or two (maybe Ziggler, if he loses the match) guys two feud with.

WWE needs to pull the trigger on Ziggler. They've hesitated long enough, and the constant teases for a main event push need to stop. You've gone this far with Ziggler, so give the guy a chance as a world champion, and let's see what he can do.

 

[Wolf Pac]

I'm thinking we'll see The Shield interfere and cost Cena the match. Cena will need something to keep him occupied while Punk & Rock are feuding with each other in the build to the Royal Rumble, and a small feud with The Shield is just the thing. Cena vs. The Shield could be interesting, I believe since Punk & Rock are facing each other at Royal Rumble, that Cena will be entering the Royal Rumble match, and Heyman or Punk whoever is behind the group could enter Rollins, Reigns, and Ambrose into the Royal Rumble match, not to win it but to try & make sure that Cena doesn't win the match and go onto Wrestlemania to face Punk, kinda similar to how Mr. Fuji entered The Great Kabuki & Tenyru in the 1994 Royal Rumble match to try & prevent Lex Luger from winning and going onto Mania to face Yokozuna. That would sweeten up the Royal Rumble match if they gave the match that storyline. Then later in the main event between Rock & Punk, the referee could get knocked out, The Shield can interfere for Punk to help him retain but then Cena runs in and helps fend off The Shield, clearing the ring for Rock and allowing him to beat Punk for the belt. Plus I saw somebody mention somewhere on this forum that they heard Vickie say on RAW last night that she was behind The Shield, so if true, then it's pretty likely she'll send in The Shield to help Dolph retain.

 

[ThePrawnCurry]

Too bad Cena's injuries could not keep him from ruining yet another PPV.

If the Shield do interfere in the Ziggler match, it will definitely end up with hiim squashing the group (Nexus all over again)

I dont see Cena losing cleanly, being Superhuman as we know.

 

[mojmass]

I think they want cena win the match and then take the revenge of raw 1000th by cashing in on big show. and i hope the undertaker win the royal rumble and choose cena for wrestlmania the rest of it is clear

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Obviously, this should be Ziggler stepping forward . Wether you are a fan of Ziggler or not, surely you cannot be a fan of totally wasting time, which is what they have been doing with him for some time now, and DAMN SURE will have done for the last two months with this GHASTLY series of segments every week on Raw. If they truly want to push him forward, and make Cena semi-mortal for the face off with Rock in a few months, Ziggler has to win this, even if its by some bullshit means.

Also sounds like a job for The Shield, given the injustice in how the match was set.

Match has a chance to be very good, looking forward to it.

 

[carrantonio688]

I'm pretty sure most internet fans do not like the idea that Dolph has to put his briefcase on the line, I get it. Myself does not like the idea a lot also. But Dolph is taking FOREVER to cash it in. He had a lot of chances, and didn't cash in. I'm not expecting for Cena to win because he already won his MITB match, and failed to win the WWE Championship.

They better not make Cena win because Vince knows that that will tick off most internet fans. I like the idea of a Ladder Match though, so this should be exciting. But if Ziggler wins ( which is 99% possible) they should have the Chairs World Heavyweight Championship match with Sheamus and Show. After a brutal chairs match, and the winner is defenseless at the moment, Ziggler should cash in.

NO matter if I've had a bad day or a good day, If Ziggler cashes in and wins, I'm gonna mark out. Ziggler needs to win this Ladder match with Cena because I don't want to Cena win the championship, AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ZIGGLER NEEDS TO WIN THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[HBKistheHOF]

This feud has been pretty good & they could have a solid match. I'm looking forward to it!

& unlike some, I'm glad the briefcase is on the line for their one on one PPV encounter but I have to agree with those that say it seems like this is an indicator that Cena might win the breifcase & unless that directly results in Cena moving to Smackdown semi-permanently & shifting all his focus away from the WWE title & the Rock, then this feud & the whole MitB would have been POINTLESS!

Unless WWE is dead set on a triple threat between Punk/Rock/Cena at Mania, the last thing I want to see is Rocky & Cena in the same ring again. Their "Once In A Lifetime" match didn't live up to ANY of it's hype & was once too many in a lifetime for me personally. Even if they add the title or anything else, I would prefer Cena & Rock never wrestle again.

That being said, winning the Smackdown briefcase could be exactly what Cena needs to shift his characters focus. He could move over to Smackdown & into the (desperately in need of help) World Heavyweight Championship picture. Yes, putting the 2nd briefcase of the year on Cena (whether he successfully cashed in or not) would be stupid & Ziggler losing does nothing for his character but if it adds (even minor) intrigue to the World Title & wipes the possiblity of Cena/Rock II off of the table, I'm cool with it.

 

[IHW]

This will probably be the main event. It will send us home, rather than the six man tag match. And, rightfully so. Ziggler and Cena have one of the top stories going on right now. It is certainly the top feud with Punk temporarily out. So, it ending the night is the best idea.

The match will probably steal the show. This is also a great way for Ziggler to prove himself as a legitimate contender in the main event scene. How great would it be is Dolph got a clean win over Cena? Yeah, won't happen. AJ will probably cost Cena the match, whether it be on incident or on purpose.

There are many ways this match could go, but they all end with Ziggler walking out still Mr. Money In The Back.

Show Off.

 

[martymcfly]

I have no intentions of ordering this PPV, but I do think this will be a good match. Personally though, I am against the idea of any MITB winner being forced to put their briefcase on the line in any match. In effect, it defeats the purpose of having a MITB in the first place, and it sets a precedent of punishing those who do not cash in early having the risk of losing the contract. Yes, I know this is all story based, I just don't like the idea. I think from a storyline purpose, what they could have done is had Cena and Ziggler argue and Ziggler get shamed or tricked into putting the briefcase on the line. But being forced to do it just doesn't make sense.

 

[Krundell]

I think this will be a good match only because we've seen how well Ziggler can make cena look plus the addition of ladders usually adds an X factor to a match.

On another note one thing I would love to see is have the world title match open the PPV or be early on in the card and have Dolph Ziggler cash in the mitb contract and win the world title hoping his match with cena is called off, then backstage segments with Vickie, Vince and Cena blah blah blah. Vince announces that the match is still on but the world title is on the line rather than the mitb contract. If done correctly Dolph may be able to lose while looking strong. Have Big Show or Sheamus interfere depending on who wins earlier in the night. This could lead to Ziggler being cost his championship match or have him overcome it and still beat Cena.

The latter is preferred.

 

[Dagger Dias]

I'm glad that the briefcase is on the line rather than this being a regular match. Ladder matches tend to be good and Ziggler should be able to get a good match out of Cena here. It will probably go on toward the end of the evening and it might even go on last, although it could honestly fit into any spot on the card just fine. As much as it might disappoint some, Cena will probably be winning here. It would make a lot of sense for him to want to redeem himself from his failed cash-in attempt at Raw's 1000th episode.

They have the Raw 20th anniversary coming up soon and having Cena win this to cash in at that time would make sense. I hope he does not fail at cashing in twice, that would be ridiculous. Ziggler winning would be nice, although I don't see it happening, nor do I see Ziggler cashing in before this match can take place. If that were to happen then this would turn into a World Heavyweight Championship match, and Cena would likely still win.

DAGGER'S PREDICTIOM
John Cena will win the Money In the Bank briefcase.

 

[tomthebodz]

I really think that this match will be changed. I can see Ziggler cashing in before the match happens and then this match is for the World Heavyweight Championship. It'll add a bit of credibility to the PPV.

Also having Ziggler beat Cena for a title looks better than him beating Cena for MITB.

 

[NC Wrestling Nut]

With no WWE Championship match tonight and a "Hardcore" type of Heavyweight Title main event match i expect whoever wins preferably Ziggler to cash in tonight if cena wins i expect the "smack down" brief case to magically transform into a wwe championship money in the bank brief case which he already won but would still be bull shit

 

[El Rev sXe]

As far I'm concern, this might be Ziggler's match of his career so far, it could determine his entire career. There's too many on the line to lose, he is facing the poster boy of the WWE. If there is a time and match where Dolph sould show off and steal the show, is tonight against Cena.

If Ziggler loses tonight, all his build up, all his momentum is going to be a total waste, I don't like the idea that he should cash in tonight, for me DZ should cash his MitB briefcase after Mania. But tonight, I think we could be watching a match that will define his career. A victory over Cena retaining his briefcase? That sound like a big fat win to show off.

Ziggler needs to win.

 

[Icon_316]

I'll be fine with this match going either way. Honestly, it could make a nice fued to go into wrestlemania. Have Cena win tonight, then Ziggler win the rumble, then Ziggler could go over Cena and win the title at Wrestlemania which would finally launch him into the spotlight the he deserves. i think him winning the title at wrestlemania would make a bigger impact than him winning it anywhere else with the briefcase


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[Compound_Lotus]

This was a pretty good match. The finish was sloppy with the superkick spot kinda being off and also that not being a very believable move to put down John Cena. But the fact that Ziggler won and the reaction he got made it all worth it. The crowd reminded me of the One Night Stand crowd from 2006 how they would boo when Cena would throw a punch and cheer when Ziggler would. The hurracanrana spot through the table was really cool and both guys deserve props for that. All in all saves the ppv for me that WWE didn't pull a really bonehead move and have Cena win MITB from Ziggler so he could face The Rock at Wrestlemania. Although this pretty much ensures Cena will win the Royal Rumble.