WWE Signs Alex Shelley

[Hero_kidstackz]

Wrestlezone homepage says According to SuperLuchas.net, WWE has signed former TNA X-Division and Tag Team Champion Alex Shelley despite reports that WWE was not going to to business with recently departed TNA stars until the ongoing litigation between the companies subsides.

So with this being said my questions and diccussion is do you think the wwe will drop the ball with alex?

I certainly hope not this guy is to good to be waisted tna drop the ball when he was a singles competitor so i hope the wwe see his potential and skills.

Do you expect him to be a potential Main eventer, Just signed C weight, Or to help the tag division?

I guess and say he will do mid card singles unless they sign sabin but then again tthe wwe hate using things wwe didnt create thats probably why KOW not a tag team.

Do you see alex shelly in the long run or get a quick release?

I think shelley will be unhappy of his role and ask and be granted his release

 

[Jack-Hammer]

If it's legit, then Shelley is someone that could bring a lot to the mid-card to tag team picture. The WWE's mid-card scene already has promise with established guys like The Miz, Cody Rhodes, Christian & Rey Mysterio. There are also promising newer faces on the roster like Antonio Cesaro & Damien Sandow. There are over babyfaces like Brodus Clay & Zack Ryder. There are wrestlers that are talented with lots of potential good that just need to be better used like Jack Swagger, Drew McIntyre, Alex Riley, Heath Slater and some others. The tag team scene is starting to shape up finally as there are several legitimately solid teams like Kofi & Truth, Primo & Epico, The Prime Time Players, Tyson Kidd & Justin Gabriel, The Usos and it looks like Tyler Reks & Curt Hawkins are getting into things. There's still work to do, but it's head and shoulders above where it once was.

As far as where Shelley would ultimately wind up, for now, his best use would be in the mid-card or tag team scenes. I don't see Shelley as a main eventer, but my mind could be changed. A lot of people didn't see Daniel Bryan as having main event potential until he won the WHC, developed into an overall very entertaining character and spent more than the first half of this year wrestling as or trying to become a World Champion. Shelley has personality, he's got athleticism and he has the in-ring ability. Right now, however, it's far too soon to even be considering main event time for Shelley, if he's actually signed.

As for WWE dropping the ball, I'm not sure why so many people always expect that to happen. Thus far, it hasn't happened with Damien Sandow or Antonio Cesaro. Cesaro needs some work, but at least he's getting a push right now. It hasn't happened with CM Punk or Daniel Bryan. It seems that whenever a wrestler is used to put other wrestlers over, someone says WWE dropped the ball. They do sometimes, I grant that. Every wrestling company does at times. Not everybody can be a star, somebody has to lose in order for someone else to be elevated.

As for Shelley possibly being unhappy with his role, again, far too soon to think one way or the other. Personally, however, I don't really see how he'd be more unhappy than he was in TNA. For the better part of 1.5 years, TNA kept Shelley on the shelf despite the fact that he was healthy and had a lot to contribute. Shelley worked for TNA on a paid per appearance deal, which means he wasn't making any money seeing as how he was hardly ever used. I'm not saying that Shelley will be making a killing if he has been signed, but he'll be getting paid whether he's used or not. That in and of itself is more than he had going for him in TNA for quite some time. If he stayed with TNA for so long without really being able to make money, then I don't see why he wouldn't tough it out for WWE if he's making a steady paycheck.

 

[thesquaredcircle]

I wouldn't be surprised if they give him a dumb name like alex alexander. I'm gonna give him 6 months until he asked for his release because of wwe dropping the ball. It happened with Kharma, gail, now it gonna happen with alex.

 

[MCMG]

If this is true than this is very good news for both Shelly and the WWE. Although I doubt he can be a true main-event star, he can definitely be a solid mid-carder and have many good feuds. I hope that they could strike a deal for Sabin as well and use them to boost the tag division.

 

[WadeWilson87]

Mid carder until the WWE network picks up and a Cruiserweight show is started... May hold U.S title at some point? But ultimately he'll be the big name on the Cruiserweight show. I doubt Sabin will be signed, too much of a liability. Too injury prone.

 

[Milkyway!]

So with this being said my questions and diccussion is do you think the wwe will drop the ball with alex?

Unlikely. The WWE has been on some roll with developing talent recently, especially heel talent. I'm looking forward to someone I feel can really carry the midcard as a face.

Do you expect him to be a potential Main eventer, Just signed C weight, Or to help the tag division?

Main Event? MAYBE but that's only if he hits a hot streak like Punk, and Bryan seemingly have. Initially, no. I expect his first 5-6 years to be much like Punks 5-6 years were in the WWE. From there, the ball is likely in Shelly's court.

I guess and say he will do mid card singles unless they sign sabin but then again tthe wwe hate using things wwe didnt create thats probably why KOW not a tag team.

We still don't know if we're going to see Kings of Wrestling somewhere down the road. Call it an ace in the WWE's sleeve. They know these men have chemistry, and they're possibly waiting for the right time to use this team.

Give things time to play out before you pull the trigger, cowboy.

Also, if you can have 2 singles competitors getting over well then it's better than having 1 tag team getting over. That's why all tag teams eventually break up, and that's likely why the tag team division has been so stale for about a decade now.

Why invest time in something, when there's better money to make elsewhere? That's why we're not seeing Kings of Wrestling, yet. Not because the WWE didn't create them.

Do you see alex shelly in the long run or get a quick release?

I see him going decently far. In my opinion the WWE lacks midcard babyfaces, while they've got some great mid-upper mid heels.

Dolph has been in lackluster feuds for the better part of this year, and I do not feel that his fault.

I feel it's due to a lack of midcard face talent. Just running through the roster they have a lackluster Alex Riley(turned out to be shit, really.), R-Truth, Kofi who are currently tag team champions, Zack Ryder(who's yet to be appealing to me, personally), Christian, Rey Mysterio(who's been injury prone for years now. Unfortunately), Sin Cara (Who was just out for nearly an entire year), and Santino Marella.

This simply cripples the midcard beyond the point of credibility. It's much easier to play a heel than it is to play a face. Alex Shelly has the capability of playing a face roll, and playing it quite well. I feel as if he'll be more than able to get over with the crowd, and as always he'll be entertaining for all different types of fans.

I think shelley will be unhappy of his role and ask and be granted his release

What gives you that idea? The WWE is reportedly leaning towards rebuilding the cruiser-weight division entirely, he'll be getting consistent pay, and he'll likely be getting more pay regardless. Paid by appearance doesn't seem very appealing to me in the slightest when it comes to professional wrestling. That pillow known as a contract and consistent pay thing would allow me to sleep quite well at night.

I wouldn't be surprised if they give him a dumb name like alex alexander. I'm gonna give him 6 months until he asked for his release because of wwe dropping the ball. It happened with Kharma, gail, now it gonna happen with alex.

You've given two examples of failed TNA talent.

1) Gail Kim isn't your typical diva. During her tenure with the company the WWE wasn't looking to build the next Trish Stratus, Lita, etc. They had little interest in the women at all, especially Gail Kim.

2) TNA was surprised Karma made it in the WWE as long as she did. Apparently she has backstage issues that TNA knew all too well about, and they weren't exactly surprised she got her release. At least according to the dirt sheets.

So 2 failed examples of lackluster women the WWE simply didn't see what you apparently see. I'll give you 4 Superstars who are currently successful within the WWE that have some sort of major indy/TNA background.

1) R-Truth - Current Tag Team Champion. Not being misused.

2) Christian - Current Intercontinental Champion. Arguably being misused, but the man simply doesn't draw. To be on the top you have to draw.

3) Daniel Bryan - Current hot streak, has been Main Event-ing all year, is consistently given mic time, and is consistently given a lot of on-air time devoted directly to him. It's arguable that he was mistreated at WrestleMania; however, I feel this has actually benefited him in the long run. Personally, I can't complain.

4) CM Punk - Current WWE champion, and longest reigning champion in quite sometime. The man has been on a decent hot streak, they're already reportedly setting up story-lines a YEAR in advance for him with Paul Heyman. You really cannot complain about the way CM Punk is being treated in the WWE, at all.

So. Your two examples of lackluster women being "misused" by the WWE vs 4 examples of 2 current main eventers, a former main eventer & current Tag Team Champions, and Christian who's going to retire with a decent legacy of being that go-to guy in times of trouble; who simply doesn't draw.

Face it, the WWE is doing better than you'd like us to think they're doing at managing their talents.

 

[Rayne]

I wouldn't be surprised if they give him a dumb name like alex alexander. I'm gonna give him 6 months until he asked for his release because of wwe dropping the ball. It happened with Kharma, gail, now it gonna happen with alex.

Kharma got pregnant, then miscarried. Which is a bit more emotionally traumatic then "oh, guess I'm not pregnant any more."

The highlight of Gail Kim's career has been being the person Awesome Kong went over to start her TNA/IW run; besides that, her career has been pretty uninspiring. I must be missing how she's totally tearing up the TNA/IW depth chart right now that she's with a company that won't "drop the ball" on her.

There's a subset of people around here who believe that if the WWE signs a person who's been in TNA/IW, then if that person doesn't instantly become a world champion and head of the card, that the WWE must be holding them back in some way. Because if you can make it in front of 800 people in Orlando, you can obviously make it in front of 20,000 at Madison Square Garden, right? Right.

So this part will really piss people off then. Alex Shelley will be a mid-card guy for the WWE. The highlight of his TNA/IW career is being in one of their more popular tag teams. He didn't exactly light the world on fire; he occupied a spot in the middle of TNA/IW's card where the cultish fanbase became fond of him. And there will be people here who cry that because Alex Shelley isn't beating John Cena into unconsciousness every week, that the WWE is "dropping the ball" with him.

Mid-carders in the WWE make somewhere in the low six-figures. Mid-carders in TNA/IW are paid on a per-appearance basis. These guys aren't in the business to make art, unless they've taken too many stiff chair shots to the head. Good for Alex Shelley. Go make your money.

 

[Cereal Killer]

I think WWE will drop the ball with him after a while, probably because they think he is not built enough for some of the titles. The apparent cruiser-weight divison which is said to come back soon may feature Alex but I just see him as one of those guys jobbing to Big Show on Superstars every week. Braden Walker 2.0! I think the divison will be a fail and then Shelly would be doing nothing after.

He could be in the tag division but I don't see a suitable tag partner for him because he is a lot better than guys like titus o'neal or Kofi Kingston. A team with Kidd doesn't sound too bad but I reckon they will be one of those rubbish heels and losing the belts after.

I see him leaving the company after a while. Say, once Kazarian went to the WWE for 3 days but left because he knew they would waste him, same could happen to Shelly.

In response to Milkyway:

CM Punk had a SMALL run in TNA and if he is being used so perfectly, why isn't he a bigger draw than Cena?

Christian and R truth: They were main eventers and world champs in TNA for heavens sake! They probably went to the WWE for the money only, they were much bigger in TNA.

This shows WWE can't find their own talent and need TNA's because they know that the so called 2nd company is miles better talent wise.

 

[LegendKiller716]

Dude, he hasn't even debuted yet and everyone just assumes they'll "drop the ball"? God damn can we at least see the guy before we write him off. Shelly is very good in the ring and on the mic, and if fans recognize him from TNA he'll already have a connection to thee crowd.

Let him debut in a tag team with Evan Bourne and feud with The Prime Time Players.

 

[SonofBillClinton]

I won't be surprised to see him back in TNA in a couple of years or just staying in the mid card. For some reason, WWE likes to job people like Alex, and then they don't know what to do with them, so either the WWE just releases them or the wrestler quits.

 

[Rayne]

CM Punk had a SMALL run in TNA and if he is being used so perfectly, why isn't he a bigger draw than Cena?

Ah, here we go. If a guy isn't bigger than John Cena, he's not being used properly. This is the load of horseshit that carries the "drop the ball" theory around here. No matter how big a guy gets, if he isn't the absolute biggest, then the WWE hasn't done enough for him. Which allows you to point at anyone and say "but he's not John Cena, so obviously the WWE isn't using him right."

Christian and R truth: They were main eventers and world champs in TNA for heavens sake! They probably went to the WWE for the money only, they were much bigger in TNA.

Jesus, what a shame. Going to another company for the money sounds like such a tragedy. And here I was, on my way to the Met to view the "professional wrestling" wing. I forgot that these guys were making art, instead of making money. If you're hung up on the idea that professional wrestlers are working for something besides money- which is wrong- I'd rather be Reynaldo in London than Hamlet in high school. Look it up.

This shows WWE can't find their own talent and need TNA's because they know that the so called 2nd company is miles better talent wise.

Didn't you just get finished complaining about how CM Punk, who only had a (emphasis yours) SMALL run in TNA/IW, wasn't being used properly because he wasn't John Cena? Aren't people here bitching about how TNA/IW talent gets misused in the WWE, and now it's that the WWE absolutely needs that talent from TNA/IW because they can't get it themselves? If the WWE can't create their own talent, you'd think they'd be doing a much better job of raiding TNA/IW's talent, instead of picking off the odd person every once in a while.

Screenshot this, put it on your desktop wallpaper- professional wrestling is about money. That's it. That's all there is to it, and if you don't believe that, you're another sucker giving your money and eyeballs away. But without suckers, this business wouldn't work, so... thank you.

 

[James]

Wait this can't be real!!! Shelley has been on my list of good TNA stars right along with Daniels, Joe, Matt Bentley, and Sonjay.


This is going to be awesome.

I think WWE will drop the ball with him after a while, probably because they think he is not built enough for some of the titles. The apparent cruiser-weight divison which is said to come back soon may feature Alex but I just see him as one of those guys jobbing to Big Show on Superstars every week. Braden Walker 2.0! I think the divison will be a fail and then Shelly would be doing nothing after.

He could be in the tag division but I don't see a suitable tag partner for him because he is a lot better than guys like titus o'neal or Kofi Kingston. A team with Kidd doesn't sound too bad but I reckon they will be one of those rubbish heels and losing the belts after.

I see him leaving the company after a while. Say, once Kazarian went to the WWE for 3 days but left because he knew they would waste him, same could happen to Shelly.

In response to Milkyway:

CM Punk had a SMALL run in TNA and if he is being used so perfectly, why isn't he a bigger draw than Cena?

Christian and R truth: They were main eventers and world champs in TNA for heavens sake! They probably went to the WWE for the money only, they were much bigger in TNA.

This shows WWE can't find their own talent and need TNA's because they know that the so called 2nd company is miles better talent wise.

Is that you Kurt Angle? It sounds like you're still butt hurt from Shawn Michaels out performing you night in and night out. Sounds like you're still butt hurt from Vince getting rid of your pill popping ass. It sounds like you're upset that you're working for a 2nd rate company. It sounds like you're upset that Jeff Jarrett is banging your wife. It sounds like you're upset that HHH is letting Punk actually have shine unlike when he wanted to hold you're back. It sounds like you're jealous that Punk is 2nd to Cena when you never were.

A lot of factors can be contributed to why you're so angry, but you're not going to admit it. How is it that TNA makes talent for WWE? Because most of the talent that goes to WWE barely makes it. That means they're not as talented as TNA overrates them. It's funny though how TNA jumps on a WWE superstar like a naked woman when they're released and throw the belt right on them.

 

[Cereal Killer]

All I'm saying about Punk is that why isn't he at the top where he should be.

It's not always about the money. Most think it is but not all.

I'm not saying that WWE is trying to get the entire TNA roster or anything like that but as the more popular company, they need to build their stars up and get their talent at a higher level.

Respect your views but seriously, chill out man!

A lot of factors can be contributed to why you're so angry, but you're not going to admit it. How is it that TNA makes talent for WWE? Because most of the talent that goes to WWE barely makes it. That means they're not as talented as TNA overrates them. It's funny though how TNA jumps on a WWE superstar like a naked woman when they're released and throw the belt right on them.

It's just that WWE doesn't sign or push those that deserve it. R truth deserves it but why isn't he in the heavyweight title picture?

Mr Anderson, Matt Morgan, The pope, RVD and ECW guys were all given major pushes when they came to TNA, why? Because they deserved it and WWE wasted them. Can't remember what Morgan was even doing in WWE, Anderson was held back because of HHH even though he fought the likes of HBK, Taker, Batista etc. Pope was so boring there, RVD and ECW guys had a push during that one night stand PPV period while they were feuding with guys like Cena, but after that they were buried along with ECW until TNA gave it a great tribute in 2010.

Chavo Guerrero was held back in WWE, jobbed to Santino, and had a one of the worst careers in WWE. He is a great wrestler and now that he has come to TNA, he is not looked at the guy who loses to Hornswoggle, he is looked at the guy who is one one of the best in ring performers today.

 

[thesquaredcircle]

Alright I'll give some more guys wwe dropped the ball on aj styles, austin aries, bubba ray, eligha burke, chavo, matt morgan, braden walker, kaz and mr kennedy. And those of you guys that are saying crusierweight show, I don't even think that the wwe network will get off the ground. It will probably be like the XFL.

 

[DexVendetta88]

As much as like to assume that the WWE will drop the ball with Shelley, who knows we may be in for a surprise. The only sure way that they wouldn't drop the ball was to get Sabin to come along as well and bring the MCMG to the WWE. I remember I read an article here earlier this week regarding Triple H wanting to beef up the tag team division. Now this is a perfect opportunity for the MCMG to come to the WWE, but for now we'll just have to settle with Shelley for being a singles competitor for now. All we can do now is watch.

 

[ABMorales787]

Quite frankly, I'm reluctant to believe WWE can or will do much of anything with him. On the other hand, Alex Shelley's personality may also clash with WWE's work ethics. He's been known to enjoy his pot and he's always been a bit of a teen-minded goof. Hell, his in-ring style might leave guys like Jack Swagger tied in a knot wondering what they're supposed to do.

I'll hold my breath and hope for the best, but I don't think things will click for him there.

 

[Spack]

I, honestly, wouldn't mind seeing them throw Shelly into a tag team with Evan Bourne. I believe they would be an exciting pair up, similar to the MCMG.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

This is GREAT!

.. for Alex Shelley. It sucks for Alex Shelley fans. Why? Oh, Alex will make his money, no doubt about it. He'll make more money than he ever has up to this point in his career and maybe even life. He'll enjoy every positive the WWE brings and get his dreams raped by all the negatives. Either way, even if Alex doesn't amount to jack shit in the WWE, at least he'll make some good money.

However, I don't see why anyone who sees through WWE's bullshit and enjoys Shelley's work will be excited for this. You will not get the TNA Alex Shelley or the MCMG Alex Shelley. You'll get WWE's take on what Alex Shelley will be which is yet ANOTHER "exciting" superstar who's like a "videogame" and has "educated" feet. They'll change his name, change his gimmick and strip him away from his charisma and everything that made him cool which was his freedom. Kiss that shit goodbye.

The reason why I think it'll suck is not as much because of the WWE as it is because of Shelley. Shelley's been with TNA for I think six or so years before he left. Can ANYONE show me the difference between Paparazzi Productions Shelley and the latest Shelley we saw? Nothing special on the mic, same moves in the ring, same look with different attires. He didn't improve, he didn't become worse, he was just coasting and relying on the tag division and the hype on which MCMG was riding.

He just always seemed lazy to me. Unmotivated. Much like Samoa Joe used to be. Doesn't seem like a guy who wants to PUSH for whatever he wants. Given the freedom he used to be in TNA, prior to him being on the shelf, he didn't even do much with that. He was over with MCMG and that was it.

Take that attitude and his pure professional limitations, then couple it with WWE's ******ed way of doing things and you'll have a watered down, cornier version of Alex Shelley which will only be improved by him existing in a realm much larger than TNA's but that's just lipstick on a pig, much like anything WWE does these days.

Heck, he might not even make it to RAW or SmackDown, I expect him to debut on NXT or some shit.

Great for Alex, if he's willing to abide by the system and stop being what he's been for YEARS and what made him "him". He'll make some money. The fans? The hardcore marks will Jedi mind trick themselves into thinking this is the shit. The rest will shake their heads in disappointment at the butchering of Shelley's career and talent. It started in TNA, it ends in WWE. Before he comes back to TNA to reform the guns that is.

While TNA didn't use him in the end, they used him as much as they could in the best ways they could while he was around for those 6-7 years. He's a multiple time Tag Team and X-Division Champion. He's had memorable singles and tag feuds. Fitting for a solid mid-carder. That's what he was, that's what he got. They stopped using him because, really, you can only point at your hand so many times before people sit back and ask "okay, show us something else motherfucker". In the current TNA overflowing with talent Shelley has no place as a singles guy. The tag division is dead in the water, blame TNA for it, but if you plan on being a tag guy all your life and you show no wiillingness to improve your singles game and make it in a company that built your ass from scratch, I don't see how going to the WWE will do it. They won't teach him how to cut a better promo or wrestle better. He already knows how to wrestle. They'll teach him what ass kissing is, though.

I'd be astonished if WWE can even capture a fraction of what TNA did with Shelley prior to 2010 or whatever it was. Fuck the WWE and let's all hope it's not THAT bad. We already know it's not gonna be good.

 

[Chess]

Shelley is an extremely talented in ring performer who can fly and put on a technical showcase as well as being very strong and creative on the mic. Despite this I do not see Shelley surviving long in WWE. WWE does not really allow their performers to have much/or any control of their characters direction. The WWE will not allow Shelley to come in a showcase his talent against the likes of Daniel Bryan, Ziggler, Punk or Christian. He may well get wins over the likes of Santino or JTG but there are not many others the WWE will put him over. He will never be a main eventer but nor was he in TNA, but I do not even see him in the midcard.

The only chance I see of Alex Shelley succeeding is if the Tag division is rejuvinated (as the rumours suggest) and he is teamed with someone who can match his style and ability. I have seen many suggest a tag team with Evan Bourne but lets be honest, Bourne is an average at best wrestler who has a flashy finisher, he has not shown he an wrestler technically but that could well be due the the WWE. I would personally put him with Christian. Christian has worked with Shelley before and can do both the flying and the technical wrestling, he is also over with the fans despite not really been given a decent ush lately.

I really hope Shelley succeeds and is given a chance as he is a fantastic al rounder who was wasted in TNA once Sabin got injured but honestly I see a short tunure ALA Kaval and then a stint in Japan before he returns to TNA once Sabin is fit again.

EDIT:
Zeven is right, as he normally is when it comes to TNA.

 

[fenfool]

I've yet to see a TNA guy make it long-term in WWE, and he is definitely a TNA guy...he's small and wasn't built by WWE, so I can't see him doing much there. He IS talented, and I'm a fan...he had some great matches in TNA, especially with Sabin, and did some good stuff in ROH too, but he's just not their prototype. I don't see him as a strong enough Punk or Danial Bryan-type who can overcome. I want to be wrong here, because I am a fan, but I don't think I will be.

 

[mlp420]

A lot of factors can be contributed to why you're so angry, but you're not going to admit it. How is it that TNA makes talent for WWE? Because most of the talent that goes to WWE barely makes it. That means they're not as talented as TNA overrates them. It's funny though how TNA jumps on a WWE superstar like a naked woman when they're released and throw the belt right on them.

Same old shit.

This isn't 2005. Give me an example of a WWE superstar getting released and jumping to TNA winning a title recently. Not including Gail Kim, since it was her second run in TNA. You'd have to go back a few years.

 

[WeareoneWeAreNexus]

I actually brought up this cool idea on twitter to Seth Rollins and he replied that he agreed. Have Seth Rollins come to the WWE (Even though my personal opinion is he is a future World Champ) and team with Alex Shelley (Hopefully same name). I think this would be cool because they are both HEAVILY into rock music. Both are good at flying around the ring. would be a solid tag team since they are "getting the tag division going again". What does everyone think of that?

 

[nycemodude]

Are you on crack? WWE cant create their own talent? I guess Cena, Undertaker, Kane, Ziggler, Triple H, HBK, Bret Hart, Matt Morgan (Who's in TNA from WWE), Edge, Trish Stratus, should I go on?? Ok, R-Truth was K-kwik before TNA, Christian was in WWE before TNA and was an Intercontinental Champ....Before TNA. And they were bigger in TNA anyway? I guess wrestling in a theme park instead of 8,000 people a night really gets you noticed more right? My fingers are tired now so long story short your comment is an EPIC FAIL!!!!

 

[Cereal Killer]

Dude, was that your first ever post?

Anyway, I am talking about today's talent. The only decent "superstar" you came out with was ziggler. Cena isn't even liked anymore

"are you on crack" he asked... Your the guy that got exhausted after typing a few words. It's ok though because you are new around here.

 

[Richard Blonoff]

God I want them to call him Sheldon Alexander sooooooo bad.

I think he is a guy that has the potential to be a solid midcard worker and he could add to the tag team division, even if they don't bring Sabin over. He is a guy who could get get a US or IC title run, maybe a few tag titles, but he doesn't seem like a guy who is destined for main event/World Title status. If that is all he ever accomplishes in the WWE, it doesn't mean they dropped the ball. Not everyone is destined for that and if you don't reach it it doesn't mean your career was a failure, and just because you get it it doesn't make you a success. I honestly think his ceiling in the WWE and TNA is a competent, established upper midcard guy, maybe higher in TNA

A lot of people have made the word midcarder out to be a bad thing, when in reality a lot of the stars that those same people remember so fondly were nothing more themselves.