WWE could use a Youth Movement vs Established Veterans storyline

[gully side adidja]

If you have not noticed, over the last month, on a few occasions, some people have come to john cena and pretty much say where is my spot why can't i be successful, carlito jesse ventura and someone else i can't remember have said stuff like this which got me wondering...........

COULD WWE DO A YOUTHS AGAINST VETERANS STORYLINE!


Now i know wcw tried this with the new blood millionaires club feud and flooped, but the main reason it flopped was because of the young wrestlers in the wcw at the time were not good enough to challenge the millionaire club, serioulsy they had kidman, vampiro(who l like btw), buff bagwell, and sean stasiak, as some of there top stars, no wonder it failed. WWE have a great set of younger stars who are extremely talented, they have sheamus, legacy, john morrison, kofi kingston, big zeke, cm punk, who are established wrestlers, some who already compete in the main event, those wrestlers are good enough to challenge the top veteran in wwe let's take a look.



youth movement:


sheamus
john morrison
dolph ziggler
ezequiel jackson
kofi kingston
legacy
cm punk
hart dynasty
jack swagger
the miz
randy orton





veterans


john cena
dx
undertaker
batista
rey mysterio
chris jericho
kane
christian
edge
goldust
matt hardy


this could be great, have orton(who is still quite young and the most established wrestler) be the leader, come out and say that he has assembled a bunch of young guys who are here to take out the veterans who have been hogging the spot light from them, and control the wwe, orton of course could use this as a way for him to have back up to help him get the title,whereas the will establish the younger wrestlers even more than before, and do nothing but boost the confidence of them, it could work great if treated carefully with careful planning.

so what do you think of my little idea? good or bad?, explain to me why, as usual love to here from you, OPINIONS PLEASE!

 

[Ferbian]

it might look good yeah, mostly on paper all thou if you ask me considering alot of these people would be wrong pairing.. lets take a few examples (and remember this is my opinion why and if their wrong)

randy orton and matt hardy: remember, randy is just as long in the wwe as batista, yet you place batista as veteran and randy as young movement.. wouldn't fit, besides i'm guessing the purpose of this would be the young people getting elevated, which orton by far doesn't need, matt hardy is the one needing just a bit of elevation.

cm punk & kane: already been done.. and quite honestly it wasn't too exciting if you ask me.

jack swagger & edge: jack isn't even in the league of edge, kofi and orton works, because kofi has already had a very strong reign as US champion, fending off numerous opponents, jack swagger has what.. a while as ECW champion? which we all know is a underrated belt.

the miz and golddust: the miz is already infront of golddust, quite honestly in my opinion golddust isn't even a wrestler worth watching anymore, the miz is doing great right now, let him stay that way instead of actually having to feud with someone lower than him, only for the, as stated earlier, purpose of elevating him.

so yeah, some might work.. but most definatly doesn't

oh and besides, lower quality faction vs a champion in a feud (christian and hart dynasty) nah.. evolution did it good, because it was a high profile faction fighting against triple H's contenders.. other way around wouldn't interest me.

 

[y2empleh]

Yes, I believe a veteran vs youth movement could work again, it worked quite well in TNA, not so well in WCW however. My only issue with it is the fact that most of the veterans are fan favorites and would still be cheered even if we were "supposed" to boo them. Rey Mysterio, DX, Undertaker, etc. When WCW tried having the veterans being the "good guys", it didn't work at all, but I also feel that there wasn't more meat on that storyline.

For example MEM vs TNA Originals storyline, yes you had the undertone of young guns vs veterans undertone, but the main part of the storyline was the TNA originals who had been there since day one vs the big name veterans who came in and gave TNA national exposure. Brilliant in my opinion. However, it also revealed a flaw in most veterans vs youth movement and the one you proposed above. It was essentially veteran Kurt Angle vs AJ styles as the 2 leaders. However AJ Styles has been a professional wrestler longer then Kurt, wouldn't that technically make AJ the veteran? This is why I think the Originals vs Big Names brought in was the bigger storyline.

Now onto your post, given who you posted on each team, Orton and Cena would be the captains for their 2 sides. However both Orton and Cena started at the same time. I like what Jesse Ventura said from a storyline perspective. When he made Sheamus vs Cena, he said it was a up and comer vs a guy that has been pampered during his career. I think that would make the more interesting veteran vs youth storyline. Have it be exclusive to the Raw Brand. I dislike the idea of it going across all 3 brands. Leave it exclusive to Raw. You have the guys who have been "pampered" like DX/Cena going against the up and comers tired of the same guys getting the shots. Sheamus, Miz, Swagger, Rhodes, Dibiase, etc. This is where Orton and Jericho would be interesting. Jericho would be the mouthpiece for the up and comers saying how he's not getting a title shot, instead it's orton/cena/dx. This could turn Orton a face on the side of the pampered guys cause let's face it, he's gotten way too many title shots himself.

 

[thepalaceprince]

I like your idea alot. But there are a few problems for instance orton teaming with kofi? That couldnt work same with having the vets be fan favorites. Unfortunately there arent many heels at the top. However if you had kofi lead the youth movement and have cena turn heel this storyline could work. Its a solid idea it just needs some tweeking

 

[Wrath]

This type of storylines won't work because it's overdone. Haven't we seen enough of nWo vs WCW, MEM vs Frontline, ECW Originals vs New Breed, WWF vs WWE/ECW invasion or New Blood vs Millionaire's Club and we're right now seeing a similar storyline in TNA. It has been done to death and I'm tired of seeing war of two huge stable storylines. It's always the same story heels generally have the upper hand and dominate the other faction but in the end the face faction wins the war. It's also the laziest way to push new talent if Vince or WWE creative really wants to push new young stars instead of doing the same kind of story for the hundreth time they should come up with interesting characters for new young stars, build them slowly from bottom to top and give them mic and in ring time as much as possible to prove themselves. If WWE does this type of storyline again it won't be any different than nWo vs WCW or invasion storyline.

 

[VintageWWE]

I don't think the storyline would work. First of all which team is going to be face and heel? I don't see anyway that these people will get along. Why would Kofi team with Orton and why would Jericho team with any of them? I also don't get how Orton is not a veteran while Cena and Batista are. The storyline will never work because it involves too many people. The chances that the storyline will be successful is slim to none. I would much rather see a couple stables just form with a mix of youth and veterans and feud than a youth versus veteran storyline.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

The youth vs veterans storyline never works, and never has. Give me one single example of a time when the storyline has played out properly and accomplished anything. You'd be scrambling for examples which I'd probably refute.

Millionaire's Club vs New Blood was an abysmal failure. The idea was to faction the Millionaire's Club as the heels and the New Blood as the faces. Problem was, the Millionaires Club had all of the recognized big names fans wanted to see anyway, so of course people cheered for Hogan over Kidman. And what happened? The storyline never picked up steam. Granted, the company folded before it could play out, but while it was going on, it didn't do a damn thing.

Main Event Mafia vs FrontLine was weak. You never got the feeling that either team was united or serious, and yet neither of the internal strife storylines went anywhere. It was so choppy and convoluted, it was maddening. The only redeeming quality was the new direction Sting was taken in, which was refreshing. But again, the older guys were the heels and yet everyone still wanted to cheer Sting. Aside from Angle and Styles, neither team truly committed to their role, and half of the MEM was too broken down to compete at a high level anyway.

Your heart may be in the right place, but the old vs young angle is just epic fail waiting to happen, so the best idea is to avoid it entirely.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

The youth vs veterans storyline never works, and never has. Give me one single example of a time when the storyline has played out properly and accomplished anything. You'd be scrambling for examples which I'd probably refute.

Millionaire's Club vs New Blood was an abysmal failure. The idea was to faction the Millionaire's Club as the heels and the New Blood as the faces. Problem was, the Millionaires Club had all of the recognized big names fans wanted to see anyway, so of course people cheered for Hogan over Kidman. And what happened? The storyline never picked up steam. Granted, the company folded before it could play out, but while it was going on, it didn't do a damn thing.

Main Event Mafia vs FrontLine was weak. You never got the feeling that either team was united or serious, and yet neither of the internal strife storylines went anywhere. It was so choppy and convoluted, it was maddening. The only redeeming quality was the new direction Sting was taken in, which was refreshing. But again, the older guys were the heels and yet everyone still wanted to cheer Sting. Aside from Angle and Styles, neither team truly committed to their role, and half of the MEM was too broken down to compete at a high level anyway.

Your heart may be in the right place, but the old vs young angle is just epic fail waiting to happen, so the best idea is to avoid it entirely.

I'm going to actually agree with IC on this one.

The problem with this particular storyline is that bottom line ... one of your groups of talents are going to be disrespected on the basis of age. Either the old guys are going to be made out to look like a bunch of dinosaurs who are outdated Main Eventers who aren't valuable anymore ......

or

Your new talent is going to be made to look like a bunch of rookies that aren't anywhere near the level of reaching the Main Event just yet.

Even the name of the group "The Main Event Mafia", I thought, was disrespectful to the other younger members of the roster, as it makes everyone else look inferior. And granted, that obviously is the goal, but it still reflects poorly upon the other talent for business reasons.

So I feel the Young vs Old storyline is actually a pretty bad concept all in all, because it actually devalues members of the roster on the basis of age. It could definitely hurt plans which you may want to do with the losing end of this feud, in the future, as well ... as fans may think the old guys are washed-up has-beens, or the new guys if they lose, are going to look bad for being green and unworthy of being near the Main Event.

 

[Chill]

Millionaire's Club vs New Blood was an abysmal failure. The idea was to faction the Millionaire's Club as the heels and the New Blood as the faces. Problem was, the Millionaires Club had all of the recognized big names fans wanted to see anyway, so of course people cheered for Hogan over Kidman. And what happened? The storyline never picked up steam. Granted, the company folded before it could play out, but while it was going on, it didn't do a damn thing.

My God I couldn't agree more with this, that Millionaire's Club/ New Blood storyline was terrible in my opinion. WCW had the right idea by trying to push some of the younger talent, but I'm not sure if the fans ever accepted that the New Blood were ever that much of a threat to the 'Millionaires' and indeed they weren't ever really. Perhaps my perception of this is rather tainted by the fact WCW was failing miserably at this time but I can't say I enjoyed this angle all that much.

A youth movement v veterans is a good idea but these things seldom have worked in the past. The best thing in my opinion is for the established stars to devote more of their time putting over today's youth in normal matches, rather than being part of any big storyline. Just book the younger guys to go over the vets now and again and allow them to work some one on one programs with the established names and they might receive better results than a complicated storyline consiting of new guys against old guys (this is just my opinion remember, I'm not saying I know what's best..it's just my thoughts).

Although, I would love for the original poster's idea to work but I just wouldn't want it to fail like other attempts before it, that's all.

 

[Sasori]

Have you learned ANYTHING from the TNA MEM vs. Frontline story line?

It wont work. I literally had a face palm when I read this... Randy Orton already had a stable of young guys who want their shot, that stable my friend is, Legacy. Besides, your line up is just one big cluster fuck. One brand cant have that much star power, and if they just appear every where it would be rubbish...

I'm just puzzled here man.

 

[gully side adidja]

The reason i put orton on the youth side because they need a established main event heel, who is young himself, so they can relate to him. a lot of clean victories over the veterans could help the younger guys too.

SASORI !, i have learned a lot from the tna mafia storyline.


half of the front line were middle aged , and not as talented as my youth stable, and if my stable is a clusterfuck then what would yours be?, not better than mine.Keep your face in your palm, at least i made up a good idea, legacy are shit, with more people they would look fearsome, and not idiots.

 

[macksstream]

Good idea and a bad idea. Bad because like everyone else has said, its been overused. But if they booked it right it could be good. though teams, yea. not so great. like no offence im sure u thought about them a bit but if ur having people who started out the same times on different sides, fans are gunna get a bit confused. I get what you're saying though that they need a top or face on both sides. But think about this, how about having sheamus captain the new team. I mean he got the title but no one really respects him at the moment so it could be his big breakout. If he recruits a few other young stars and is the leader in the title chase. and maybe the teams could be smaller, but thats just my thoughts.

 

[Tastycles]

You could make a new guy versus old guy storyline work, but the only real way you can do it is to have either established heels, who have always been heels, as the veterans, or more realistically have the whippersnappers as heels, moaning about the big guys. In reality, the thing isn't likely to work on a big scale. As a small feud with two or three guys on either side, its a workable option, but an all encompassing one doesn't work, as it essentially makes for a lot of matchups between guys that people don't yet want to pay to see and deprives them of the matches between big timers.

 

[Sean Valjean]

Though this kind of angle has been beaten to death, it could work if done properly...which it never has. The main reason why this never works is because the veteran team almost always dominates the young guys. The vets are always protected while the young guys take the fall most of the time. In the end, the main eventers are in the same place they were before and the young guys look worse than they did when they started.

I'd like to see this angle done with the young guys were getting just as much wins at the vets, to make them look like legitimate threat. It should be a good back and forth battle, lots of drama and swerves, with the young guys getting the final, deciding victory in the end. You can catapult so many young stars at once, and it won't harm the main eventers at all. Even in defeat, no one's going to doubt the credibility of HHH or Cena.

The WWE might have to use this, since they need new stars like yesterday, and this angle could be a great way to elevate a lot of young talent at once.

 

[Milkyway!]

Youth vs Old has been done so many times its not even remotely funny. Its usually a boring, and quite suckish storyline, that ends in utter failure. Three storylines come to mind when thinking of Youth vs Old.

1) Main Event Mafia vs Frontline at TNA. It was boring, and we had seen it done one too many times. They even tried to implement a sort of NWO vs WCW with it being MEM vs TNA type storyline, and that fell off the wagon quickly too. Youth vs Old, doesn't work.

2) ECW Originals vs The New Breed - Elijah Burke finally had a chance to shine, and we all see how that turned out, right? This feud ended poorly, with almost all the New Breed, and Originals alike, being released shortly after.

3) Millionaire's Club vs New Blood - We all see how this one turned out. It was pointless, as IC25 allready mentioned.

The best way to implement a good, faction based Storyline right now, we would be New guys vs Newer guys. Have it set into two groups.

Newer guys (Newer roster members)
Sheamus (Leading) - World Heavyweight Champion
McIntyre (Second in command) Intercontinental Champion
Abraham Washington US Champion ship
The New Hart Foundation World Tag team Titles

New guys (Guys who have been around, yet to make their names really established)
MVP (leading)
Shelton Benjamin (Second in command)
Jack Swagger - I'm dying to see him as a face, personally
Evan Bourne
Cryme Tyme - I don't really like them being here, because they've feuded with the New Hart Foundation so many times allready. But, I honestly can't think of another really good tag team thats been around for a while now.

So you see, the Newer guys have had their lot of sucess as of late. Most at which are allready heels. So the New guys, say "Hey, this isn't quite right. I've been here longer than you and I deserve this more than you." This makes the Newer guys have to band together, and the war begins.

Its not the greatest of ideas, but thats why I'm not on WWE creative.

 

[DMBlacklist]

Youth vs. Veterans? Oh you mean like the Main Event Mafia vs. TNA? Or hell NWO vs. WcW? Or better yet the New Breed vs. ECW Originals? Sadly, these don't work out as planned since naturally, the veterans are the favorites and the youth won't go over. Plus how do you decide whom is a vet and whom is a youth?

The only way this 'could' work is if it were a 'passing of the torch' type of deal with there young lion defeats the old lion and takes the spot. As far as a faction war goes, sorry but, with Taker and Shawn on my side, youth is fucked. And if I was stuck on the youth side, again, with Taker and Shawn on the other side...I'm fucked.