WWE: 1995 vs 1993

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Basically the same formula I have always used on these threads.

Both have been called 2 of the worst years in WWF/E history! Both have been sited as having the 2 worst wrestlemania of all time.

My pick is 1995 because it gave us feuds we had never seen before (bam bam vs Taylor) and ones we will never see again (Mable vs diesel). 1993 had mostly The same guys main Eventing all year long.

Which year was the WWF product better?why?
 
1993 was a year of radical change in the WWF, as many of the top stars of the previous ten years left or were phased out throughout the course of the year. Hogan and Savage lapsed into semi-retirement, Ric Flair was let out of his contract and Curt Hennig went down with a serious back injury. Ted DiBiase also ended his active career due to injury. Moreover, Andre the Giant's death was acknowledged. Other notable WWF stars of the '80s, such as Roddy Piper, The Ultimate Warrior and Demolition, had likewise lapsed out of the big picture.

As the company struggled to reorganize to fill this gaping void, wrestlers that may have otherwise struggled to break out of the mid-card went to the top. Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels acquired main event and semi main event positions, while Scott Hall received the first big singles push of his professional career and Kevin Nash waited in the wings to receive his major opportunity. Yokozuna, who had never headlined for any organization, dominated the calendar year as champion, with Lex Luger, who many expected to break out big in WCW, instead rising to a position as the WWF's clear number two babyface. The Steiners, also lately of WCW, were the top team in the WWF.

One could argue that all of this came about merely because of the steroid scandal, as the WWF had basically no choice whatsoever other than to keep a lower profile, even if that meant filling the major roster spots with unproven talent with considerably less body mass than the Hogans, Savages, etc.

Even the WWF's television format was changing, as Saturday Night's Main Event was now a thing of the past, and would not be reactivated for roughly fifteen years. Monday Night Raw, meanwhile, began its first exciting season.

WCW was beginning to pick up momentum in the area of PPV buyrates. Many of the changes that would later propel them ahead of the WWF were in the offing, but the status quo was not yet drastically affected.

Two years is not a lot of time in the realm of business, but the proof is in the porridge. Within a span of less than 24 months, WCW had overtaken the WWF with a number of sound switches in the hierarchy and several bold moves. Acquiring a lot of the WWF's discarded talent and establishing Nitro to go head-to-head with Raw were two moves that most insiders figured would immediately backfire on WCW...but this was not the case. By the fall of 1995, WCW was clearly ahead in momentum, and the WWF was rendered a joke it this aftermath. On the heels of a tepid WrestleMania, widely considered among the poorer 'Manias of all time, the WWF was a booking quagmire.

Nash remained on top as the undisputed champion for nearly the entire calendar year, but consistently drew poor numbers as the WWF fell further into a slump. Michaels was stuck in the role as Nash's mid card sidekick, while Hart was established in the mid card and stuck feuding with Jerry Lawler, Hakushi and a friggin' pirate by the name of Jean Pierre Lafitte. Mabel---Mabel, for crying out loud---stormed the main event picture by winning King of the Ring and headlining one of the WWF's biggest cards of the year versus Nash, only to be squashed in ten minutes. The WWF suffered continued talent raids, losing Luger to WCW and also failing to procure several key acquisitions, including Chris Benoit, who then went to WCW to avoid pissing off New Japan staff. Pairings such as The Smokin' Gunns polluted the tag team scene.

Steve Austin and Triple H made their WWF debuts, but it would be years before they would develop the star power necessary to guide the company to salvation. The mid card was stocked with too many Henry Godwinns, Doinks, Adam Bombs and Savio Vegas, and not enough Owen Harts.

To put it in layman's terms, the WWF of 1993 was a respectable force. The WWF of 1995 was a virtual laughingstock.
 
I didn't watch WWE in 93 and I've only been able to catch a couple of their PPV's, 1995 I've seen them all (and in IYH series).

Now from a PPV stand point I thought 93's had the better quality, King of the Ring was set up perfectly, SummerSlam seemed a bit over the top but the general storyline was Luger the new American Hero facing Yoko.

1995's PPV's were dominated by Diesel who might of had a good mind for wrestling but his match quality wasn't great, hense Mable, Sid, Bulldog matches flaked yet when he faced people like Bret (x2) and Shawn the match quality was 10fold.

Problem with WWE was in 1993 they had some hoky poky cartoon characters from 1991-92 but a bit worse where as 95's were just obbscured they couldn't wrestle the gimmicks were ******ed to be fair but from what I've saw on PPV 1993 was the better year for quality.
 
This one is personally hard for me because I was a devout watcher through the thick and thin in the early to mid 1990s. To be honest had the internet existed at the same level back then that it does now, I really think the people who have strong Anti-TNA sentiments today might say the same thing about the WWF of yesteryear prior to the Attitude boom. In all honesty, those few years prior to the nWo and WWF Attitude movements wrestling was pretty rough to see on both ends. However, since this is a WWF oriented thread I will keep the emphasis on that product, obviously.

Personally I really liked the WWF of 1993 despite a few of the disappointing factors i.e. Hogan's role in the company during that time, I didn't so much mind him winning and losing the World Title. But it was the way in which they had it done, I didn't like seeing it come at Bret Hart's expense in the storyline. I don't know why the WWF had it done that way but they are the only ones I can and will truly suspect. Blaming Hogan is just too easy considering that's what most people want to do but in all honesty at that point what influence could Hogan still even have with his contract ending? I mean it is Vince's company and unless someone can prove that Hogan had a "fifth WWF title reign clause" in his contract then I am going to just sit here and tell you that your argument is flawed. No one ever looks at the bright side and says "Well at least Hogan didn't beat Bret for the belt and then leave without giving him a rematch...".

But just the same Bret Hart's first title reign going into the year of 1993 was awesome, I mean he wrestled Razor Ramon in a classic match at the Royal Rumble of that year and he was in action all the time on Saturday mornings as the new face of the company. It was a magical year to see a new guy take the reins and run with things. Remember this is also the same year the Steiner Brothers were coming into WWF prominence, Hogan departed, Lex Luger debuted and Ted DiBiase retired from in ring competition. Not to mention Mr. Perfect also booted Ric Flair out of the WWF and of course Monday Night RAW debuted on the air waves. I would say with all things considering (not to mention Vince's trial was around the corner) it was a pretty good year despite the chaos.

Now you fast forward to 1995, but ugh I am sorry to say that despite being a loyalist that whole time through 1995, the WWF was hurting plain and simply put. While I know mid-1996 to late-1997 is still looked at by some as a really rough time for the WWF, to me it was nowhere near the painful viewing that the 1995 WWF was. The 1995 WWF was sometimes a horrid product to watch:

The Goon
Tekno Team 2000
The Karate Fighters Tournament (To hype Survivor Series 1995)
King Mabel
Jean-Pierre Lafitte
Kama - The Supreme Fighting Machine
Xanta Klaus
The Ringmaster
Duke "The Dumpster" Droese
THE GODWINNS

And I thought The Shark, Zodiac and The Yeti were horrible but with what you saw in the WWF, oh man it was a trainwreck.

I mean on the positive side of things though Steve Austin rose above the trappings of The Ringmaster gimmick. But for those that think that the WWF was in a rush to save Austin's career after WCW shitcanned him are woefully mistaken. I'll be fair and say that WWF in its pre-Attitude days was a little nervous about taking Steve Austin's ECW persona and transitioning that into the WWF. But for god's sake The Ringmaster could have easily been a death sentence for his career had things not finally started to click for Austin in the WWF.

These gimmicks in the 1995 era of the WWF that had characters who merely moonlighted as wrestlers like The Godwinns (Hogfarmers), The Goon (Hockey Player), Duke Droese (Garbage Collector), Tekno Team 2000 (I won't even go there) it was just plain silly.

Despite the limitations and changes in the 1993 WWF, the fact that it had considerably less of these types of characters makes them outedge the 1995 product. Don't get me wrong I still watched the 1995 WWF product with great enthusiasm but I really only think that's possible because of guys like Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Razor Ramon and Diesel. Had they not been around as saving graces, I really don't know how high a threshold I would have had for the WWF in 1995.
 
Let's be clear about something. The Goon, The Ringmaster and Duke "The Dumpster" Droese did not debut in 1995. That being said, 1995 did give us...

Phantasio (lasted one match)
Man Mountain Rock
Mantaur
Waylon Mercy (I actually dug this character)
Xanta Claus
Dean Douglas
The New Headshrinkers
The Blu Brothers

NONE of those gimmicks made it to 1996. 1993 was the superior year, although I enjoy both. Personally, I love outlandish gimmicks, but I realize that I'm in the minority.
 
I also love outlandish gimmicks and really enjoyed both of these years. 92 through to 97 was my favourite period of years in WWE history. It's hard to pick a year out of these two but I will go for 1994. It gave us Razor Ramon Vs Michaels in the Intercontintental Title ladder match, one of the best cage matches I have ever seen when the Hart brothers went at it for the WWF Championship, some good over the top storylines involving the undertaker plus more. I like 1993 also though.
 
Let's be clear about something. The Goon, The Ringmaster and Duke "The Dumpster" Droese did not debut in 1995. That being said, 1995 did give us...

Actually The Ringmaster DID debut in 1995....WWE's official website is incorrect on Austin's debut in the company. Granted most of his more notable matches under that persona were not until 1996 but DiBiase's restructuring of the Million Dollar Corporation happened in late 1995 and after the December In Your House was finished Austin showed up around that time frame officially. The Goon I will concede I was a little bit off on however the character from my recollection was working house shows in 1995 as he had signed a contract with the WWF so it's not like there weren't some people out there that weren't aware of the Goon's existence during that time frame. And as far as Duke Droese goes, bottom line is this he was on the 1995 WWF roster maybe he debuted in 1995 but he was a part of that era. So if you want to split hairs on the topic by all means feel free too but as far as Droese goes I never said anything about him debutting during 1995, all I said was that he was a part of the scene in 1995, big difference.
 
It’s pretty hard for me to pick which of these years was better. I’m a New Generation fan so I don’t think either of these years was as bad as they’re made out to be. There are so many different thoughts going through my mind that I’m not sure where to start. I guess I’ll just throw some random thoughts out there in no particular order of importance. Sorry for the unorganization. By the way, I'm only commenting of WWF.

Score a point for 1993 with the debut of Monday Night Raw, but the ppv expansion with the creation of In Your House was equally important in 1995.

The tag team scene was stronger in 1993. The Steiner Brothers and Headshrinkers were around throughout the whole year. Money Inc., The Nasty Boys, and Beverly Brothers were around at the beginning of the year but didn’t make it to the end. The Smoking Gunns, Men on a Mission, The Quebecers, and Heavenly Bodies all debuted in 1993. The tag teams of 1995 just weren’t as good.

The Undertaker was a strong force during both years but I give the edge to the Taker of 1995. He had another two years under his belt and was further established as the phenom. He was a bigger star in 1995 than he was in 1993 which only makes sense.

1995 is often criticized for lame gimmicks. Mantaur, Phantasio, Techno Team 2000, and Aldo Montoya seem to be the faces of 1995. 1993 had some bad gimmicks too. Max Moon, Damian Demento, and Bastion Booger didn’t have much success. I don’t think it’s fair to judge a year on a few failed gimmicks. Actually the failed gimmicks are a lot of fun. Who doesn’t like to look back at them and laugh?

Both 1993 and 1995 gave us a new face at the top with Yokozuna and Diesel respectively. I’ll call that a draw.

Speaking of new faces, both years gave us some new talent. In 1993 it was Lex Luger, Giant Gonzalez, Ludvig Borga, The Quebecers, Mr. Hughes, and Adam Bomb that were among many new potential stars. Unfortunately these men were either gone or their stock had fallen considerably by 1994. 1995 gave us Hunter Hearst Helmsley, Steve Austin, Goldust, Ahmed Johnson, Chris Candido, Shane Douglas (I’m one of the few that liked the Dean gimmick), Hakushi, and a green pre Kane Glenn Jacobs among others. I was a mark for Borga, Bomb, and the Quebecers, but I like the new faces of 95 better even if they weren’t all a success.

I think the deciding factor is going to be the quality of matches. I give the edge to 1995. 1993 gave us some good matches but not nearly as many as 1995. Bret Hart vs. Diesel, Shawn Michaels vs. Diesel, Bret Hart vs. Hakushi, Shawn Michaels vs. Jeff Jarrett, Shawn Michaels vs. Razor Ramon, and Bret Hart vs. Davey Boy Smith were all great matches. Notice the Bret/Shawn pattern here. Bret gave some good matches in 1993 too but in 1995 HBK caught up to him and we had two guys giving us great matches consistently. That’s my deciding factor pushing my vote to 1995 as the better year.

Wait a minute. 1993 had Bobby Heenan. Maybe I need to reevaluate.
 
For some reason I thought it said 1994 Vs 1993 so I went for 1994, oops. Anyway out of 1995 Vs 1993 I would go for 1995 although again I have nothing against 1993.

I enjoyed the 1995 Royal Rumble match and Shawn Michaels had a good year which was very entertaining. British Bulldog Vs Bret Hart, whilst not quite as good as the Summerslam encounter (mainly due to the crowd that night) was still a brilliant match and one I like watching from time to time. Goldust made his debut and seeing as he is one of my all time favourites this was definitely a plus point. The Undertaker had a strong year which again is a good thing for me personally.

1993 was great.. The Undertaker again had a strong year. Hulk Hogan was around for a while. Plenty of over the top gimmicks which I love and a good active Tag division made it all very watchable.
 
Fair enough. It's worth mentioning that 1995 gave us Goldust, so it wasn't a total loss.

Absolutely, 1995 did have its pluses, I mean for me I still feel Bret Hart is what made me watch it most but there were some rough patches in that year. A lot of stuff was just not as great as it would be in the next few years. That is the one thing I will say about 1995 is that there was a lot of things going on in the way of new arrivals and returns to the company that would set the stage for what was to come in the following years.
 
I really love these comparisons. Following my formula for ZRise’s other great threads…

1993 – On the WWE Title side, we had Bret the Hitman Hart, Yokozuna, and Hulk Hogan holding the Winged Eagle Belt.

1995 – On the WWE Title side, we had Diesel and Bret the Hitman Hart holding the Winged Eagle Belt.

I’m just going to go with 1993. Diesel’s run as WWE Champion was okay, but I don’t think it could top the Hitman’s and Yokozuna’s first two reigns as the number one guy in the WWE as well as Hogan’s 5th reign.
 
1993.... king of the ring that year was better than anything that came out either year.

1995 was honestly the worst year for wrestling from the big 2 just nothing was positive at all.

Sorry I forgot Shawn Michaels rr win and SS match with razor.
 

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