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The following is a letter sent to Phil Mushnick of the New York Post from a wrestling fan in regards to his story on the Benoit murders and pretty much blaming it all on Vince McMahon and the WWE, as well as the deathes of any other wrestler.

John W. Johnson sent along the following response to Phil Mushnick's column in the New York Post:

Mr. Mushnick,

You are one sick, twisted individual. You want to make the Benoit Tragedy into more than what it was.

You want to say that steroid abuse became prevalent because of Vince McMahon's reign as wrestling kingpin. I hope you don't step in what you're shoveling. Because it's nothing more than a load of crap.

Drugs have been a part of professional sports and entertainment for a long time. Superstar Billy Graham used steroids. As did Jesse Ventura and Hulk Hogan after him. They did so before the worked for Vincent Kennedy McMahon. Yet you don't seem to try and villify other promoters from the past and the present.

You go after Vince McMahon with ruthless abandon in a crusade to rid the planet of the most public face in professional wrestling. There are reasons that wrestlers are dying young. They are the ones making bad choices.

Eddie Guerrero took steroids before he even came to the WWF. When he died, it had been almost four years since he stopped taking them. It was his abuses before he came to the WWF(E) that killed him, not anything he did after he got there.

Chris Candito didn't die because of his past drug abuses. He died because of a clot that was thrown after surgery. Had the surgery come about because he fell off a curb picking up the morning paper, and not because of an injury he suffered in a wrestling ring owned by Dixie Carter, you would not make mention of it.

Brian Pillman was taking steroids and painkillers before he even decided to become a pro wrestler, when he was trying to make a name for himself as a professional football player in his hometown of Cincinnati.

Michael Hegstrand (aka Hawk) was taking steroids back when he was working for Verne Gagne. Louis Mucciolo (aka Louie Spiccoli) struggled with drugs before and after his WWF tenure. Yet you seem content to place the blame for all of these deaths on Vince McMahon.

Davey Boy Smith, Curt Hennig, Richard Rood, you want to blame them all on Vince McMahon as well. Guess what, you can't. These men all made a choice. They took the drugs. They weren't force fed them.

For every Chris Benoit out there, there is a John Tenta, John Minton, Andre Rousimoff, Rodney Anoa'i, Keith Franke, Joesph Marella, or Larry Latham out there that didn't die because of drugs. You want to blame Vince McMahon for their death's too. How about Randy Anderson, Vivian Vachon, David Adkinsson, Chris Adkinsson, Brian Hildebrand, Jerry Tuite, Gary Albright, Eddie Gilbert, or Jumbo Tsuruta, who's legacies never included employment by Vince McMahon on Raw, Smackdown, Superstars of Wrestling, All American Wrestling or any of the other shows that WWE ran in the past 25 years?

The "steroid problem" in wrestling is only apparent because of journalists like yourself that makes it out to be a problem.

To use the deaths of Daniel and Nancy Benoit as a soapbox to spread your message of hate, it's just wrong.

This guy took the words right out of my mouth. I think it's time we as wrestling fans speak up for what we love so dearly, and try to stop all of this constant bashing of this business by any and all media in the world. It's solely created to hurt the business and for nothing else, aside from maybe make money. Anyone agree with me on this? I just thought this letter was very interesting and that all would like to discuss it.
 
Definatly, this guy said everything right. The media bashes pro wrestling so much more then is deserved. They say that WWE breeds "monsters" (saw that on CNN the other day) when it's just not true. They say that roid rage was what caused Benoit to do what he did when while they may have been in his house, have you ever heard of a 3 day roid rage? They just want to hurt the business in anyway possible for no reason and say that everyone takes steroids in the WWE when it's not true. While streoids may have contibuted to the Benoit tragedy they say it happens to every wrestler. The media hates professional wrestling and we definatly need to speak up and stop the constant bashing.
 
That moron should have known fans are passioniate about our sport, and yes I said sport. The mainstream media just wants to take it down because they hate it, and what right do they have to do that? NONE! It's asshats like him and O'Reilly that piss me off, they just jump on this to take pot shots at the WWE and act they know what they are talking about, why would O'Reilly bring in cocaine into this? That guy said it very nicley and even was forced to leave out more people who used steroids long before they came to the WWE, even benoit used steroids before he joined the WWE. So why blame it all on mcmahon? Like Billy Graham said these are grown men who have to be held accountable for their own actions and that mcmahon isn't a babysitter.
 
I'm not as articulate as all of you, so my responce will be short, but I agree with what this guy is saying. We fans have bashed on the WWE, but we bash the storylines and poor pushes of wrestlers. When it comes to the WWE as a whole, or all of wrestling for that matter, we are all die hard fans. And not one of you can say that your not, why else would you be in a wrestling forom? I agree with this fan about what he said, and I'm damn proud someone stood up and spoke. All the points made were true, and Vince is NOT a babysitter, he is a boss. People with jobs kill people all the time, and no one blames the boss. What happens is a cashier at Burger King kills his family? Is it his Supervisers fault that he was sneakly drinking on the job the night he killed everyone? I didn't think so. Way to go Mr fan, whatever your name is. We should all look up to this guy as a hero for the wrestling world. wouldn't it be ironic if it was actually a member of this forom that said all of this?
 
ABOUT TIME!!!

Man that is an incredibly put letter. It's about time that someone stood up and said no we're not taking this. It's brilliantly put together showing it in teh past and how it's not Vince's fault as you can read. And I fully agree with;

'The "steroid problem" in wrestling is only apparent because of journalists like yourself that makes it out to be a problem.

To use the deaths of Daniel and Nancy Benoit as a soapbox to spread your message of hate, it's just wrong.'
 
Most of the stuff I have read from the media hasn't been very Phil Mushnick. From the stuff I read, people are very sympathetic towards wrestlers, and Understand why they would take steroids. The 300+ day a year work schedule, with no time to heal your body, 1 day a week with family, and all of that leads to hectic lives.

The fact of the matter is, and some won't want to hear it, Vince McMahon may not give the steroids, but his work ethic and demands almost force the guys to take them. These guys get hooked to roids, to make their bodies bigger, they get hooked on pain killers, to hide the damage they've done to their bodies that night, so they can go back out again the next night. Vince McMahon sure may not be injecting these guys, but he is certainly an enabler and turns a blind eye to it.

The Wellness program, what a joke. We have constantly bashed the WWE for giving guys, Randy Orton, slaps on the wrist for failing this test, but guys in the undercard, like Masters, is pulled of the road. Does anyone honestly believe that if Triple H, pre-6/25/07, fails a piss test, he gets reprimanded, hell no. It's all a matter of money, and if these guys turn in a big pay day, then the company ignores it.

Don't get me wrong, us as wrestling fans all support this. We have the equal blame in this too. We pay to see these guys get bigger and stronger. Some of us enjoy the smaller wrestlers though, but unfortunately, we are in the minority. How many times have we on this board said, "Man, that guy is badass, but he won't be the champ because he doesn't have the 'look'". We all know what we're talking about, yet we keep giving money to it.

I'm not saying, don't watch raw, smackdown, impact, ECW, anything like that, but us giving money to a product that knowingly has guys taking the juice to stay in the game, we have to take some blame for it. It's not just wrestling fans though, the same problems are prevalent in the NFL or MLB. How many times do we watch Sportscenter to see the big hit from Sunday in the Fall? How Many times do we watch Sportscenter to see the homerun? Hell, who didn't watch the homerun chase in 1998 between McGuire in Sosa, all steroid induced? We bitch about these guys cheating, yet we constantly watch and throw money to the product.

Then again, no one went to Benoit when he was 5 and told him, you are going to be a professional wrestler. No one told him to do everything he ended up doing. The WWE is a lifestyle choice, these guys should know before hand the damage to their bodies.

There are so many damn sides to the argument, it could go on all day. But there is one undeniable fact, professional wrestlers are dying at a staggering rate compared to other professions. You can not deny this. Sure, alot of the people that died, may not have died from steroids, but certainly either depression, or alcohol related drunk driving accidents, caused by life on the road.

I've said it in other threads, I think the WWE should stop with the heavy touring. You are a monopoly, you don't need 300 dates a year being run. It's not necessary any more, and I see it being done out of greed. Hell, why do you think they bumped it up to 16 pay per views per year? Money.

So the bashing that the WWE has gotten this week, I feel is just. Vince brought it upon himself by declaring that steroids had nothing to do with it, less then 24 hours after the police officers suggested it. It looks like a coverup, so it is being treated like a cover up. If Vince would have let it alone and not gotten so defensive about it, then this discussion wouldn't be happening.

I think everyone is taking the beating the media is giving the WWE too hardly though. This is no different then the government cracking down on the NFL and MLB. It was inevitable that the steroid hunt was going to come to the WWE, this just rushed that decision.
 
The following is a letter sent to Phil Mushnick of the New York Post from a wrestling fan in regards to his story on the Benoit murders and pretty much blaming it all on Vince McMahon and the WWE, as well as the deathes of any other wrestler.



This guy took the words right out of my mouth. I think it's time we as wrestling fans speak up for what we love so dearly, and try to stop all of this constant bashing of this business by any and all media in the world. It's solely created to hurt the business and for nothing else, aside from maybe make money. Anyone agree with me on this? I just thought this letter was very interesting and that all would like to discuss it.



Every fan needs to take a stand like this to defend a product that we all so dearly love and enjoy. I never though i would see bret hart defending vince and the wwe but i am glad that he is. I did see last night that they had some guy named Mark Mero??? On and he was doing nothing but trashing the wwe and vince i think its sad that the media is so desperate to gain ratings and trash the WWE that they have to find no name wrestlers and get them to trash vince. This is not a war against steroid in pro wrestling this is a war against vince and the wwe. I totaly agree with you xfearbefore and i say that we should all stop watching the programs that try to cast professional wrestling in such a dark light.
 
I personally e-mailed the person who wrote/typed that response and said thank you for saying what was needed to be said.

I am tired of those who has little or no involvement/interest in wrestling and goes out of their way blabbing and blabbing on something they know nothing about. So they use the name of Benoit as an excuse to use the old wrestling stereotypes just to rip it apart, which in this case is NOT doing their jobs by publicizing breaking news, they're simply playing favorites and detracting those close to our sport from their programing which is not good at all.

What is really sad these days are news reporters. No one can just say things the way they are anymore. These reporters are going out of their way while working to play favorites and against what they don't like.

And they say the Wellness Policy needs to be more strict? These news stations need stricter bosses and to imply proper rules.
 
As of yesterday, I was done watching CNN and all of the other new stations. I've read lots of articles about blaming Vince McMahon for the deaths but that is just plain wrong. The man doesn't have enough eyes to watch pro wrestlers at all times. Marc Mero? Who gives a rat's ass about that has been. I rather listen to the opinion of Bret Hart than that punk. Did anyone watch Nancy Grace yesterday? I was relieved to see Chris Jericho on their setting those dumb reporters straight.
 
yeah i saw jericho on there and i could just see nancy grace wanting to rip his head off for defending vince.

Nancy made me want to rip her head yesterday. It was funny how she would refer to Jericho in hopes for him to back her up and her mention of the 4 Horseman and Jericho almost bursted out laughing LOL! It seems as if majority of the wrestlers has the same opinions and sayings which they obviously know more from personal experience and traveling than someone like Nancy what's her face.

Let me note something that Billy Graham said that was well said: The WWE is not a baby sitter and Chris Benoit made the decision himself. Nothing was forced to him (not in exact words but pretty close)
 
The fact of the matter is, and some won't want to hear it, Vince McMahon may not give the steroids, but his work ethic and demands almost force the guys to take them. These guys get hooked to roids, to make their bodies bigger, they get hooked on pain killers, to hide the damage they've done to their bodies that night, so they can go back out again the next night.

Unfortunately, this is true and i think the majority of the smark base knows it, come on, 300+ days getting your ass kicked and add the travel time, additional workout, you obviously gonna need something else than a girlfriend.
The work ethics of some wrestlers are simply remarkable (Edge, Undertaker, Shane Helms, even John Cena) but the fact is steroids, painkillers, etc are the fastest way to heal; You are not gonna give John Cena 2 shows a week, right? Hell no! Make him work 5 or 6 days a week and travel at least 4 days..Now that's hectic.

Don't get me wrong, us as wrestling fans all support this. We have the equal blame in this too. We pay to see these guys get bigger and stronger. Some of us enjoy the smaller wrestlers though, but unfortunately, we are in the minority. How many times have we on this board said, "Man, that guy is badass, but he won't be the champ because he doesn't have the 'look'". We all know what we're talking about, yet we keep giving money to it.

Absolute agreed Shock, but you are speaking for the smark base again. Take this for example: A 12 year old boy is a huge fan of Batista and he has every single Dave item available on wwe.com, he begs his parents to take him to a house show next night, which they agree against their will(a few parents dont see wrestling with good eyes, for whatever the rea$$on. FACT). The less the parents of this boy wants is to find out that Dead Air Dave simply can't live without taking some "juice", even if its for the reasons stated above. And i put this example because the little kids are the majority of the WWE fan base, and most important, they are the be$$t cu$$tomer$

I'm not saying, don't watch raw, smackdown, impact, ECW, anything like that, but us giving money to a product that knowingly has guys taking the juice to stay in the game, we have to take some blame for it. It's not just wrestling fans though, the same problems are prevalent in the NFL or MLB. How many times do we watch Sportscenter to see the big hit from Sunday in the Fall? How Many times do we watch Sportscenter to see the homerun? Hell, who didn't watch the homerun chase in 1998 between McGuire in Sosa, all steroid induced? We bitch about these guys cheating, yet we constantly watch and throw money to the product.

And that is where the real problem resides. The perspective of Wrestling from the point of view of some people, is: "meh, wrestling is all act, they dont even get hurt, the blood is always honey with red #3, and the ring mat is softer than my mattress..." Wrestling could be some of this, but are you saying that every Shawn Michaels match is planned? that the Mick Foley, Raven or Terry Funk deep cuts were all fake? or the mankind fall from the top of a cage at the hands of the undertaker was softer than fall in a stack of pillows?? People watch Barry Bonds chasing Hank Aaron's HR record and goes nuts, everyone is talking about Barry weekly batting average, and it seems that nobody remember Barry getting into BIG roids trouble. Who complains about all the domestic violence, night clubs fights, sexual abuse cases the NFL and NBA players concurs?? lets give them a considerable fine and a couple of games off to forget the whole incident...and the fans?they keep paying for that.

I've said it in other threads, I think the WWE should stop with the heavy touring. You are a monopoly, you don't need 300 dates a year being run. It's not necessary any more, and I see it being done out of greed. Hell, why do you think they bumped it up to 16 pay per views per year? Money.

and you are right, 300 dates a year is just chaotic, 16 PPVs?? Do they know how much i spend everytime in the bar?? :D
Sadly, this is the way they are going to keep working... :(

So the bashing that the WWE has gotten this week, I feel is just. Vince brought it upon himself by declaring that steroids had nothing to do with it, less then 24 hours after the police officers suggested it. It looks like a coverup, so it is being treated like a cover up. If Vince would have let it alone and not gotten so defensive about it, then this discussion wouldn't be happening.

Not sure about that, the media is going to play a big part on this scandal,as the bunch of sensationalists sons of bitches they have always been, and if WWE dont take precautions, they could even lose a couple of sponsors.

I think everyone is taking the beating the media is giving the WWE too hardly though. This is no different then the government cracking down on the NFL and MLB. It was inevitable that the steroid hunt was going to come to the WWE, this just rushed that decision.
see above this part.

In advance i apologize for the syntax again, but i think you got the idea. WWE must be more aware than ever, because they are going to be under the public eye more than ever.
And supporting the main purpose of this thread (because i support wrestling to death, damnit) i have to say something to those who thinks wrestling is in danger of changing or something...
Wrestling is going to live, and this time, it gonna step harder,
like it or not. <- fuck sensationalist media!!!!!!
 
^^

I agree with you, and for the most part with the original poster. But regarding Vince and the statement the WWE released about the steroids, IMO it would have been brought up whether or not the company released that statement. Steroids were found in the house and these are wrestlers we're talking about. No way the media's not going to jump all over that.
 
This is from the baltimore sun

Benoit's shocking death raises question of fans' complicity
Originally published June 30, 2007

This might be hard for non-wrestling fans to understand, but to those who loved Chris Benoit's work, his grisly double-killing and suicide was as shocking as if Peyton Manning or Tim Duncan or Derek Jeter had committed the same acts.


He was that good at what he did and that respected by fans and peers for doing everything the right way.

As such, accounts of the way he strangled his wife, smothered his child and hanged himself are as disturbing as any I've encountered. They raise countless questions about drugs, the vagaries of the mind and our propensity for glorifying risk. They offer answers to none of them.

First off, shame on all the news hosts who've spent the past few days screaming "'roid rage," as if there's ever a simple explanation when a man kills his family and himself.

The sad episode does raise questions about links between steroid use, the frenetic lifestyle of wrestlers and mental instability. Benoit's employer, World Wrestling Entertainment, has tried to steer coverage away from his possible steroid use (authorities found prescribed anabolic steroids while searching his home).

The deliberate nature of his actions suggested anything but a rage, the company said in a news release. Chairman Vince McMahon reiterated that position on NBC's Today show, noting that Benoit tested negative for drug use in April.

The company's points may be true as far as they go (though McMahon failed to acknowledge loopholes in the testing policy that allow steroid use with a prescription). But depression is much more common among steroid users than "'roid rage," said Dr. William Howard, founder of Union Memorial Sports Medicine.

"That's by far the most common psychological side effect of steroid use," he said. "You'll find an amazing number of these users having domestic problems related to depression."

Former wrestler Chris Nowinski, a spokesman on the dangers of concussions, has suggested that Benoit might have suffered brain trauma. One of Benoit's signature moves was a diving head butt off the top rope.

Whatever the cause, his end left different feelings from those that followed past tragedies in the profession.

There is a stereotypical wrestler death. Benoit's great friend and rival, Eddie Guerrero, demonstrated it two years ago when he was found dead of a heart attack in his hotel room on the day he was to win the world championship.

Fans mourned Guerrero, remembering his astonishing bag of physical tricks and the outlaw mirth in his eyes and smile. But given his long history of steroid and pain-pill use, his lonely death at 38 fit expectations. It echoed those of so many contemporaries, including Brian Pillman, Curt Hennig and Davey Boy Smith.

Benoit's death proved far more disquieting, especially given that he was the model wrestler.

In the ring, he could do anything, appearing just as comfortable in a fast-paced match full of intricate moves as in a pitched brawl dominated by bruising kicks and skin-busting head butts.

He never missed a date or loafed through a performance. He came off as reserved but unfailingly appreciative of those who enjoyed his work. He enforced tradition and respect in the locker room.

Even his suspected steroid use seemed understandable. He was 5 feet 10 and had a body meant for 170 or 180 pounds. But he fell in love with a business in which the most glorified performers stood well over 6 feet and packed 250 to 300 muscular pounds.

Benoit acknowledged the pressure over the years, once telling the Pro Wrestling Torch newsletter that steroids for wrestlers were like cigarettes in the 1950s. Many used them, and few contemplated the risks.

That was Benoit's context, one in which stoic men loved their craft so much that they warped and eventually broke their bodies. When he won the world title at Wrestlemania, fans cried and cheered because the moment seemed to suggest that passion and work and resilience might be enough in this life.

That his wife, Nancy, had filed for divorce and a restraining order less than a year earlier (she later dropped both filings) wasn't known to fans. In fact, he invited his family into the ring to celebrate and often spoke of how he wanted to get home more often.

All of that explains why fans feel so shaken.
We don't know that wrestling led Benoit to the terrible events of last weekend. We will never know what ran through his mind.




Some people dismiss wrestling all too easily because of its carnival roots and ridiculous plots. But really, what's so rational about dressing up in colored armor and beating your fellow man as half-naked women cheer you on at the coliseum? I've just described the nation's most popular sport, professional football.

And we know that football shatters the bodies of its greatest heroes. Johnny Unitas' scarred knees and gnarled hands told us so.

We know that tens of thousands of punches to the head slow the steps and slur the words of courageous boxers. We're reminded every time Muhammad Ali appears in public.

We know that a car traveling 200 mph can spin out of control even when guided by the most skilled hand. Dale Earnhardt's demise at Daytona attested to that.

No, it won't do to dismiss the implications of Benoit's death simply because he was a wrestler.

As a culture, we've decided that consenting adults are allowed to push themselves past safe limits for our entertainment. Drug testing and better medical care and safety precautions can lessen many of these risks but cannot stamp them out.

I don't know about you, but when a boxer loses his life in the ring, or a football player is crippled, or a wrestler turns up dead in his hotel room, I feel complicit.

If I know these acts are so destructive, why do I watch? Do I lack the moral fortitude to look past my desire to be entertained? I fear the answer is yes.

In the past few days, scores of wrestling fans have said on message boards that Benoit's death will kill their love of the spectacle. Many more have said that one man's deranged acts shouldn't end an art loved by so many. I agree with the latter, and yet I wonder.

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