Wrestlemania 27 - Undertaker vs Triple H - NO DQ STREAK MATCH

[Miko]

Oh god save us from the entrances because they are going to be long and unbearably crap. Apart from that I dont have much of an opinion on this one, although I do wonder if PaddyPower will give me odds on the amount of Tombstone's and Pedigree's we are going to see during the match.

Oh yeah, and the match might be okay, and the streak might end although I doubt it and I wouldnt complain too much, or at all if this is HHH's last hurrah.

 

[Professor]

Have I missed something or is there no reason for their fued? Has it really gotten that bad that the WWE isnt even bothered to create reasons for feuds anymore, they just set up a match? I miss the days when feuds were built up for months and meant something.

 

[Find'er Woo'er Ryder]

They are fueding for the streak. HHH and Undertaker have both done everything in their career. HHH wants to be the man to end it. Is that not a reason?

 

[Richard]

Have I missed something or is there no reason for their fued? Has it really gotten that bad that the WWE isnt even bothered to create reasons for feuds anymore, they just set up a match? I miss the days when feuds were built up for months and meant something.

Really?! You have no idea why Triple H and Undertaker are fueding now?!

You may have missed WrestleMania last year where Undertaker defeated Shawn Michaels to retire him. Triple H is Shawn Michael's best friend and wants retribution for him defeating Shawn (Evidence, the crotch chop to taker) and it's 10 years since their other WM match so Triple H probably thinks he can end the streak now that he's had more experience in big time matches and is a bigger legend than what he was then.

 

[dizzle1119]

This one pretty much explains itself. Aside from the reasons already mentioned by the previous posters, I have this to add;

Triple H was chosen to challenge the Undertaker because it's the biggest draw the company could come up with other than having Cena lose to Taker at Mania. Brock Lesnar would've been AWESOME, but that fell through almost immediately. Wade Barrett would've sufficed, but Barrett isn't really a big draw yet. Chosing HHH was a good idea...

 

[My Couch Pulls Out But I Don't]

Here is an idea...if you want the reason why they are fueding, go back and watch Raw from this past Monday, HHH explained it.

If you actually pay attention and watch the shows, you wouldn't have had to make this thread.

 

[Professor]

Hmm ok, I sort of missed most of HHH's promo on monday, but it seems like a pretty poor excuse for a fued, just to end a streak. A feud for wrestlemania should have a lot more substance than that im afraid, but what can you expect from this pathetic non creative team.

 

[Richard]

That's the thing dude, it does have a lot more substance than just the streak.

I don't want to repeat myself but man, The Undertaker retired Triple H's best friend. It's personal for Triple H. Triple H is going to want to destroy the Undertaker for HBK. It's not un-creative, it's the fucking logical move. I could have called this last year when Shawn Michaels put his career on the line, any Tom, Dick or Harry with any common sense should have been able to see this and see why it's the logical choice for The Undertaker and Triple H.

 

[fallensaviour]

also, this would not be the first time taker's mania match was just about ending the streak. i count 3 other times in the last 10 years. Specificly his matches against Orton and HBK. The only reason for those matches was the streak. They became personal after the match was booked.

 

[BASSER911414]

the thing is tht the fact tht undertaker and hhh are feuding just because theres nothing else left but the streak is really dumb

had it been a revenge kick on the part of hhh then it wudv made sense. but hhh's promo on monday saying tht hes done everythng and theres nothing left but the streak sounded a bit weak.

hhh shudv come out on monday and told the world tht hes gonna end the undertakers streak for destroying his best frnds career. and tht shawns miserable and blah blah blah and all hhh thnks of when he sees shawn miserable is the undertaker.

tht wudv been and sounded bttr than iv done everythng except killed the streak

 

[Nate DaMac]

Hmm ok, I sort of missed most of HHH's promo on monday, but it seems like a pretty poor excuse for a fued, just to end a streak. A feud for wrestlemania should have a lot more substance than that im afraid, but what can you expect from this pathetic non creative team.

First off, does no one here have spell check? It's feud, not fued.

Anyways, I have to tell you that you are full of shit. Both of the last 2 Wrestlemanias have featured Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker. Now what was the basis for this feud? That's right, it was the streak. Shawn wanted to be the one to finally end it. The streak is a draw for Wrestlemania and it's always a big deal to see who's going to challenge. Each year, we always get to question whether or not it is finally going to come to an end.

It seems to me that you're just trolling the WWE section to shit on the creative team. Which is fine and all, but next time, make sure you actually have a point.

 

[Devlin]

There are a few reasons

1) The Undertaker & Triple H are the last of their generation of stars, (unless you include Kane). They are the 2 veterans of the locker room, they have seen and done it all, they see each other as there last true challenge.

2) Undertaker basically retired HHH's best friend HBK. He forced his best friend out of the business that he loves and spent his entire life in.

3) The Streak is something that the Undertaker covets and is seen as a huge accomplishment if someone can break it. HHH is stepping up to the plate to try to break it.

4) This is just a small one, but 10 years ago at Wrestlemania Undertaker added HHH to the streak when he defeated him at Wrestlemania 17. HHH wants to show that he has evolved and is better then he was and can finally get the job done. Undertaker wants to prove that the WWE is still his "yard"

 

[The Mighty Tiger]

Have I missed something or is there no reason for their fued? Has it really gotten that bad that the WWE isnt even bothered to create reasons for feuds anymore, they just set up a match? I miss the days when feuds were built up for months and meant something.

I see where you are going w/this they really didn't have any real buildup for this match. Undertaker returned then HHH returned they stared at each other looked at the Mania sign & next min you know the match is booked & being advertised for the PPV. I don't think I have ever seen a wrestling match booked for any PPV like that.

Then HHH comes out & he just made it seem like the only reason for the match is cause there is noone left for either of them to beat & feel like its an accomplishment he belittled everyone in the back in his promo, man that shit was funny. I don't know what some of you are posting about but HHH didn't say anything about getting revenge for HBK. Unless he brings up HBK in his next promo this match doesn't have anything to do w/revenge for a fallen friend.

This match is thrown together, but hell wwe really didn't have much of a choice seeing that there wasn't anybody else for either of them to fight & be a draw at Mania, which is pretty sad.

 

[Pepperami]

Have I missed something or is there no reason for their fued? Has it really gotten that bad that the WWE isnt even bothered to create reasons for feuds anymore, they just set up a match? I miss the days when feuds were built up for months and meant something.

I wouldn't even call it a feud at all. They are just two top dogs who want to make WrestleMania special. I can imagine that when Undertaker defeats HHH, there will be mutual respect, maybe even a handshake, not a feud.

 

[Pro Wrestling is FAKE]

Well all the people have stated the facts that it's revenge for his bff HBK, he has done everything else, ending the streak, end of era with two veterans going at it...

Majorly you may add all these as the reasons why Trips wants to fight The Dead Man at WM this year.. Business wise speaking, the King of Kings realizes that career wise it wouldnt be safe to have another injury.. He has done everything in the business and entertained the people that have stepped into the arenas to watch him fight.. Be it the dominating heel or the degenrate, he gave the crowd everything.. It doesnt matter that he married the boss's daughter.. That must not give a scar on his legacy.. Now he wants to retire.. What better way to retire like his bff..

Also, Trips realizes that the company needs to expand and function in a better way.. So he needs to get involved in more of a backstage role now.. Hiring JR as a scout is one of those steps.. Also him taking more interest in the developmental territories is another example..

Last but not the least he needs to spend some more time with his family [AND KEEP AN EYE ON STEPH AS WELL ].. For that again he has to go out.. And what better way than trying to end the streak.


Now dont rip me off as this hasnt been assigned as a Carrer vs Streak, but the aftermath of the match will be Hunter being less involved on stage and more of a backstage guy...

 

[stasheroo]

Have I missed something or is there no reason for their fued? Has it really gotten that bad that the WWE isnt even bothered to create reasons for feuds anymore, they just set up a match? I miss the days when feuds were built up for months and meant something.

The real reason?

They couldn't come up with a better opponent for the Undertaker.

This is plan C.

They couldn't get Brock Lesnar out of UFC, they couldn't get Sting out of TNA, so they settled for Triple H out of AARP.

 

[Nate DaMac]

The real reason?

They couldn't come up with a better opponent for the Undertaker.

This is plan C.

They couldn't get Brock Lesnar out of UFC, they couldn't get Sting out of TNA, so they settled for Triple H out of AARP.

This is such a crock of shit. I'll give you Lesnar, it was kind of obvious that they were trying to pull something off with him, but Sting? There was never any indication that WWE was going after Sting. That shit was stirred up by the IWC hopeful.

This may be Plan B, but it certainly wasn't Plan C. They needed a big marquee match up this year and this is the best one we got right now. Furthermore, we have heard from a former creative member that this has been the plan since August. Whether or not that is true is debatable, but his word certainly trumps yours.

By the way, you're seriously ripping on HHH about his age after you claimed Sting, who is several years older and in much worse shape, was a better option? Get a clue, bro.

 

[finneycom1]

I do understand why they are feuding and the reasons why he(HHH) wants the match at 'Mania. However, my personal preference would have been to have him return and have a retribution feud with Sheamus for a couple of months, and then wrestle up until the next 'Mania, then have the match with 'Taker.

Here's how I would like for it to have played out:

HHH comes back at Royal Rumble and causes Sheamus to get eliminated. They have a match at EC, and have another match at this year's Mania where HHH dominates Sheamus and puts him on the shelf for awhile. All the while, 'Taker has his match at this year's Mania with Barrett. 'Taker goes 19-0. Then next year 'Taker proclaims that when he goes 20-0, at next year's Mania, this will solidify him as the greatest Superstar in WWE history. HHH steps up and says he will cause 'taker a loss and cost him the 20-0 streak. Taker says regardless the outcome, he will retire after this 'Mania. HHH says if he cant end the streak, he will also retire.

Taker beats HHH, goes 20-0, and both retire after 'Mania.

I understand why they are feuding, I just feel it was a bit rushed. I hope WWE doesnt think that HHH giving the Pedigree to Sheamus this past Monday, qualifies as sufficient retribution. For God's sake, Sheamus put him "out" for like a year.

I dont like to get on here and bitch about angles and storylines, but nowadays, why does everything have to seem so rushed. I understand they didnt have a HUGE draw match this year, but I still think this years 'Mania would have still drawn, with Rock being the guest host and a 'Taker/Barrett match, and a HHH/Sheamus rematch would have still been a great card.

Stop rushing storylines so much for the sake of a big match. I honestly dont think, with the build-up given now, that the HHH/Taker match is gonna make much difference this year in the buy rate of the PPV. Given the short build-up and everything.

Just sayin'.

 

[stasheroo]

This is such a crock of shit. I'll give you Lesnar, it was kind of obvious that they were trying to pull something off with him, but Sting? There was never any indication that WWE was going after Sting. That shit was stirred up by the IWC hopeful.

This may be Plan B, but it certainly wasn't Plan C. They needed a big marquee match up this year and this is the best one we got right now. Furthermore, we have heard from a former creative member that this has been the plan since August. Whether or not that is true is debatable, but his word certainly trumps yours.

By the way, you're seriously ripping on HHH about his age after you claimed Sting, who is several years older and in much worse shape, was a better option? Get a clue, bro.

It's fine if you want to believe everything the WWE does or does not tell you. I mean if they tried and failed to get Sting they'd have absolutely no reason to lie about it would they? Nah, they'd just come right out and say 'we tried, we failed, and he went to TNA', right? Sure they would.

At least it wouldn't have been the same, tired, boring shit you get from every HHH match since 2005.

A Sting/Undertaker match would have at least been original, not some lousy, thrown-together Wrestlemania 17 Rewind.

This rehash of a match sucks.

The only good that could come of it is if the retirement stipulation actually happens and then we don't ever have to suffer through another HHH 'match' again.

 

[Brahma Bull]

because nothing else on the card except the rock hosting will draw. the miz vs cena match is not building up too much. orton vs punk is good, but wrestlemania draw good? no. edge vs del rio is also not too big a match, they havent really established a fued with them except del rio is going for the title. doesnt seem personal at all. barrett vs taker and hhh vs sheamus would have pretty much made it one of the worst wrestlemanias by card. the matches may be great, but they need a BIG draw for wrestlemania. the rock is big, but they need a wrestlemania moment match, and thats what hhh vs taker gives. its hbk's friend vs taker. you may think it has nothing to do with hbk, but then why would they have that promo? we still have 5 weeks, im sure that it will get more personal between the two, and probably headline wrestlemania.

 

[jacdnwarrior]

The reasons why they are having this match are simple. Triple H wants a shot to avenge his friend and end Taker's streak, blah, blah, blah. The real reason to me is who else could they have put against Taker that would draw any interest ? It seems like it would have made more sense for Taker to face Kane and HHH to face Sheamus since they were the guys who put them out, at least from a storyline standpoint.

I think the execution unfortunately might not have been the best and with Rock returning and having a verbal exchange with Cena, it may have been overshadowed.

 

[Nate DaMac]

It's fine if you want to believe everything the WWE does or does not tell you. I mean if they tried and failed to get Sting they'd have absolutely no reason to lie about it would they? Nah, they'd just come right out and say 'we tried, we failed, and he went to TNA', right? Sure they would.

Who the hell ever said they did or didn't try to get Sting? Has anyone from WWE Corporate ever indicated outside of their own office that they have tried to sign Sting? I think the answer to that is no. Therefore I must ask, who the fuck is lying? No one reported that WWE was actively pursuing signing Sting to a contract. All of that shit just came from the IWC jumping the gun on the 2-21-11 promo.

At least it wouldn't have been the same, tired, boring shit you get from every HHH match since 2005.

A Sting/Undertaker match would have at least been original, not some lousy, thrown-together Wrestlemania 17 Rewind.

This rehash of a match sucks.

Though I disagree, at least your opinion is something you can vouch for as opposed to acting like you have any idea of what's going on in the office.

Personally, I like the way this is shaping up. Sure they are rushing it a bit, but not nearly as much as they did with pretty much every feud they had last year because they only had 3 weeks to get a program going before the PPV. This has already been going for 2 weeks now and there's still a few weeks of Raw left to further the angle. So I just feel like everyone is jumping the gun on this one by calling it shit before it even has a chance to develop.

I truly trust that these guys know what kind of precedent has been set with these streak matches for the past few years and they will do every thing they can to keep the standard high.

The only good that could come of it is if the retirement stipulation actually happens and then we don't ever have to suffer through another HHH 'match' again.

I don't see why they would need to add the retirement stipulation now since the match is already booked for the PPV. Besides, the company could really use an asset like Hunter right now when putting over young stars is very vital.

 

[THE Madcap]

The main reasons are:

1) The Undertaker retired his best buddie, Shawn Michaels
2) Triple H has done everything else in this business, but wants to be the 1st to beat 'Taker and Mania
3) Triple H and 'Taker are the last of the old school. This match is to determine who is king.
4) Noone actually needs a reason or feud to want to face 'Taker at 'Mania, they just want the streak
5) Triple H wants to prove he's better than his last attempt at defeating 'Taker's streak (WM17?)
6) Stephanie is having nightmares over the time The Ministry took her hostage

 

[stuey1985]

i don't have a problem with the feud persay.

Triple H took part in at the time underwhelming feud with sheamus with the last one so he needed a big return and who bigger than taker... while i know both men have aged, the x-seven feud i think actually was better than both the HBK battles and think they can put up a decent showing again this year...

my only problem is what triple h said about the state of the wwe lockeroom... by saying that there were no serious challenges to takers streak apart from undermined the youth movement in a way... and from a future head of the company i think that was inappropriate...

ps- those female legs from the limo... the week before 2 22 11... that has suddenly been forgotten about, me thinks triple h is in line for a heel turn and that was Stephanie the anon gm and there is going to be a screwjob on taker....which i welcome

 

[stasheroo]

Who the hell ever said they did or didn't try to get Sting? Has anyone from WWE Corporate ever indicated outside of their own office that they have tried to sign Sting? I think the answer to that is no. Therefore I must ask, who the fuck is lying? No one reported that WWE was actively pursuing signing Sting to a contract. All of that shit just came from the IWC jumping the gun on the 2-21-11 promo.

I've read reports from weeks earlier that the WWE had interest. And again, if they had tried and failed, do you honestly think anyone would tell the world that they failed?

This quote from Jim Ross' blog made me think that there were at least discussions on some level:

Sting Back In TNA: "That Sting vs. Undertaker WM27 match that many just knew was going to happen at WM27 looks a little 'iffy.' Seriously, I said many times that I did not think that Sting would likely venture into WWE at this point in his career. All people have 'comfort zones,' including yours truly, that we are reluctant to leave. In hindsight, at least in my view, more often than not and especially for veterans the 'comfort zone' thing isn't a negative."

Though I disagree, at least your opinion is something you can vouch for as opposed to acting like you have any idea of what's going on in the office.

Personally, I like the way this is shaping up. Sure they are rushing it a bit, but not nearly as much as they did with pretty much every feud they had last year because they only had 3 weeks to get a program going before the PPV. This has already been going for 2 weeks now and there's still a few weeks of Raw left to further the angle. So I just feel like everyone is jumping the gun on this one by calling it shit before it even has a chance to develop.

I don't. Not even a little bit. I would have preferred they actually do something with the storylines they had going for each guy, rather than dismissing them and the fans who have followed those storylines.

I truly trust that these guys know what kind of precedent has been set with these streak matches for the past few years and they will do every thing they can to keep the standard high.

Knowing it and doing it are two different things. If you think Taker and HH can come close to the last two matches with HBK than you're a more optimistic man than I am.

I don't see why they would need to add the retirement stipulation now since the match is already booked for the PPV. Besides, the company could really use an asset like Hunter right now when putting over young stars is very vital.

You've lost me here.

Since when does HHH make it a point to put young talent over?

You mean Sheamus?

Yeah, sure looked like it Monday night...

The sooner this cancer is off my TV, the better.

The retirement stipulation is the only reason I could possibly care about this Wrestlemania Rewind.

All the same, thanks for the conversation.