Would you have Jericho win?

[Mike1411]

This thread is asking a few questions:

1) Would you have Chris Jericho beat Dolph Ziggler for the MITB Briefcase?

2) (If he did win it as they seem to be heading that way) Would you have him win or lose when he cashes it in?

3) Finally considering he has put over EVERYONE since he returned and hasn't won at a PPV in something like two years, Do you think Chris Jericho will ever be effective as main eventer again?

 

[avriltt234]

I would like to see Jericho win the Money In The Bank briefcase off of Ziggler and i would like to see it happen at Summerslam in a Ladder Match but only if Ziggler stays in the championship picture and gets a shot and a run with the World title in the near future.

I think Jericho will defeated Sheamus when he cashes it in because what went wrong with Cena is because he is a good guy he told Punk when he was going to cash it in and that was why he lost, but because Jericho is a heel he will attack him from behind like everyone else has.

 

[Ryberg]

1) Would you have Chris Jericho beat Dolph Ziggler for the MITB Briefcase?

Yes absolutely! As you can see Jericho still sells. Fans go nuts when he comes out. I think he's more marketable then Ziggler right now and WWE needs the ratings. I know i will be hated by the IWC because of their love for Ziggler.


2) (If he did win it as they seem to be heading that way) Would you have him win or lose when he cashes it in?

I would have him win and let him have a send off with a title run. I get the feeling this is it for him. Even if it's a short run, it's a fitting end to his career.

3) Finally considering he has put over EVERYONE since he returned and hasn't won at a PPV in something like two years, Do you think Chris Jericho will ever be effective as main eventer again?

Yes and no! They have done it MANY MANY times having someone lose for a long time and the next thing you know they're champ and unstoppable. But no in the other aspect because I get the feeling this is the end of his career.

 

[TJWWE]

I'm going on the minority side and say NO. Dolph needs the briefcase to help him to be used more and to be able to compete in more main event scene matches because he does VERY well in matches with the main event people such as Cena, Orton, Sheamus, Punk and I think if Dolph was in the Smackdown World Title picture, he would do fine.

However, WWE is stating that at tonights tapings, a new number 1 contender will be crowned to get a shot at Sheamus and the only person that I see winning and facing Sheamus is JERICHO. So, No, I wouldn't have Jericho win because I see him winning the number 1# contender slot and hey, a feud with Sheamus vs Jerchio would be ace! but with Dolph as the MITB holder, why not slot him into the feud as Jericho and Dolph had the altercation last week.

 

[Workrate]

No. I'm sorry, but we need to stop looking at Chris Jericho through the lens of pre-2012 and start looking at his current run.

For starter's, this run is most obviously one of passing the torch. Since he's returned, Jericho has done little other than use his name to put over younger talent. In the case of CM Punk, a guy who was already over, he elevated him just a bit more with a WrestleMania feud. These days, I find it difficult to see what exactly putting a title on Chris Jericho accomplishes. Jericho, to his credit, seems to "get" this. It was well publicized -- on dirt sheets, so take it as you will -- that Jericho's primary goal himself was to come back to help give young boost a talent. That's an age old philosophy in wrestling, that you put back into the business what you take from it. Many other wrestlers helped make Jericho's star shine, so it is his duty that, as he leaves the business behind, he uses his star to help brighten someone else's.

It has nothing to do with Dolph Ziggler; whether you like the guy's potential or think he's overrated, I don't see how you can give your two Money in the Bank briefcases to two of the most well-established stars on your roster. That isn't smart long-term planning. And one briefcase has already been taken out of the mix not even two full weeks since the pay-per-view, so why play hot potato with the other one?

I definitely think Chris Jericho can be effective as a main eventer, but I don't think you need to put titles or briefcases on him to accomplish that. Should he defeat Dolph Ziggler at some point? Absolutely. He should be winning regularly on WWE programming, even if it's against mid-carders or top tier talent in non-title situations. That establishes that he's still a winner. By having him lose repeatedly, it no longer feels like a rub when he loses to one of the younger guys. So yeah, Jericho should beat Ziggler somewhere along the line. But in that final match, the one that resolves the feud, Ziggler should walk out the victor. Putting someone over doesn't mean losing to them over and over, it just means coming up short in the end.

 

[LeviCook]

I would have Chris Jericho beat Dolph Ziggler but definitely not for the briefcase. Why would you want to kill Ziggler's momentum? That makes no sense at all. If Jericho loses he is fine. He doesn't need to win at this point in his career. Yes we would like to see him win, but he doesn't need it. I see two options i would go with. Either have Jericho beat him on PPV not for the briefcase and then later that night Ziggler cashes it in to become Champion or let Jericho beat him on Raw/Smackdown and then challenge him to a match on PPV for the briefcase only for Ziggler to win.

 

[midgensa]

I would have no problem with Jericho getting a victory over Ziggler, but I see no reason for the briefcase to be involved.

The reason Jericho has been losing is because he does not need to win to be relevant anymore (see: Shawn Michaels). I think that a win over Ziggler would do wonders because it would do TWO things. It would take Jericho over to the long overdue win column and definitely continue what appears to be a slow-moving face turn ... AND it would HELP Ziggler.

You could actually use this as a chance to turn BOTH of these guys face. Have Jericho win, and shake Ziggler's hand afterwards. Tell Dolph he is close, but not ready yet, and let Dolph use it as motivation to GET BETTER before cashing in his briefcase.

With a heel Miz back in the picture and a apparent heel turn going full fledged for CM Punk ... it would seem a couple of big time face turns would be in order. And this could be done relatively easily while putting BOTH guys over.

 

[LegendKilla101508]

This thread is asking a few questions:

1) Would you have Chris Jericho beat Dolph Ziggler for the MITB Briefcase?

2) (If he did win it as they seem to be heading that way) Would you have him win or lose when he cashes it in?

3) Finally considering he has put over EVERYONE since he returned and hasn't won at a PPV in something like two years, Do you think Chris Jericho will ever be effective as main eventer again?

I'm very surprised with the responses here. How can you say that Dolph Ziggler, who is slowly building more and more popularity and hype, should just lose the briefcase to a part-timer who is close to leaving WWE and pursuing his musical career further. Are you guys out of your minds? I thought there were intelligent people on these boards. See, you guys think like Vince and the other moronic officials backstage. If you keep on treating the new talent like that and just tossing in the legends here and there and having them win titles and briefcases, then in a few years when they're long gone, the WWE won't have anybody. Nobody will buy tickets or PPV's to see talent that was never pushed or have won titles. WWE will fall, because of people like you and the current WWE management. Dolph Ziggler has to keep that briefcase or WWE will have yet again another FAIL on their hands.

 

[dtroppe]

Twelve years ago Jericho was one of my favorite guys. His character was exciting and was perhaps the best rock star-like gimmick of all time (certainly better than John Morrison and Heath Slater). But lets face it- Jericho isnt cool anymore- he is an old guy that doesnt look cool anymore. He looks weird to have an old guy doing the Y2J type promos. Jericho is best used to put people over.

I think Dolph Ziggler should keep the briefcase. I don't see him as areal game changer or true maineventer- but maybe he could add to a stale product.

 

[swallop]

okay i gota do it... REALLY?? hell no chris came in for 1 thing and 1 thing only and that was to put young talent over .. i predict chris to put dolph over at summerslam its time to look at the future and stop stayin in the past jericho is past his prime and no has no problem putting people over so lets keep it that way.

 

[Bryan Is A God]

I think they will have a match for the MITB briefcase. I'm not a fan of Ziggler but there is no reason for Jericho to beat him for the briefcase. Jericho is already on a loosing streak and I don't see why WWE would have him win now. There only doing this feud to put Ziggler over for a future run with the World Title which I'm guessing he'll cash in around October or November.

 

[anvilx8]

1) NO. Ziggler needs this. And Jericho is slowly on his way out of the biz (as far as wrestling matches are concerned) so he should help get Ziggler over.

2) All depends who he's fighting.. if it's still Sheamus, then yes..

3) And absolutley... it's Jericho! He could lose 50 straight, and he'll always be a credible main eventer.

 

[JWGunslinger]

1) If Jericho won in this feud it would be a major waste, this is supposed to be about making a guy that some people doubt a real threat with that MITB breifcase. Played correctly this sequence of Ziggler winning the MITB and beating Jericho in a career vs briefcase match would up his stock dramatically not to mention if he successfully cashes in.

2) Ziggler should cash in and win, if Jericho did I don't think it would be a good move for anyone involved. Chris is here to put young talent over and he's done so very well, having him win the breifcase and take the title right before leaving for Fozzy's tour would be idiotic. Cena already failed in cashing in, to have both MITB winners not get a title in the same year would be terrible.

3)Yes, this run he's on was supposed to be very different. He was set to win the royal rumble, elimination chamber and Money In The Bank before creative changes, having him win one of those and putting everyone over would have been a little better for his legacy but he'll be fine. He's already solidified himself as top of the food chain over the years, hopefully whenever he returns in the future they can give him a little something in return for the immense amount of work he's done to improve the careers of others.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

1) Would you have Chris Jericho beat Dolph Ziggler for the MITB Briefcase?

Not at all because Ziggler is the one that needs his career elevated to the next level, not Jericho. Jericho's great, one of the overall best in the world today in my opinion, but Ziggler needs to come out ahead over Jericho. For all intents and purposes, the peak of Jericho's career as it pertains to titles & main event status is pretty much over with. He's stated himself in interviews that his music is his #1 priority professionally at this point in time. The only reason he's returned to WWE over the past few years is because he's having fun and is being allowed to work with guys he truly wants to work with, such as Punk & Ziggler, because he's stated multiple times that he's a big fan of their work. Jericho has won multiple World Championships, he's held the IC title more than anybody, he's won the tag titles on a numer of occassions and he's still among the overall best pro wrestlers in the world. Jericho is someone who is probably Hall of Fame bound within the next few years.

2) (If he did win it as they seem to be heading that way) Would you have him win or lose when he cashes it in?

They seem to be heading towards having Ziggler drop the case to Jericho? What do you base that on? Thus far, the only interaction they've had is Jericho hitting Ziggler with a cheap shot, namely hitting him with the Codebreaker, and Ziggler returning the favor by giving Jericho a cheap shot & setting him up to eat a Brogue Kick from Sheamus on last night's Raw. Given that Jericho could well be gone at just about anytime to continue his work with Fozzy, the odds of him taking the briefcase are slim to none. However, if he did win it, I think it'd probably be best if he did cash in but fail to win the WHC. As I said earlier, Jericho is back mostly because he's having fun and being given a chance to work with guys he really likes. He's not there to win titles right now.

3) Finally considering he has put over EVERYONE since he returned and hasn't won at a PPV in something like two years, Do you think Chris Jericho will ever be effective as main eventer again?

Jericho is someone that has partially made a career of putting just about everybody over yet still coming out shining like a brand new penny. At the end of the day, Jericho's best trait is his ability to come out on the losing end of most of his feuds while keeping his stock surpremely high. Why? Because he's just that fucking good. Whether it's cutting promos or wrestling inside the ring, Chris Jericho has been one of THE top guys in all of wrestling for more than a decade. His work is consistently high quality and fans have noticed that. I'm not just saying that because I'm a fan of Jericho's, it's just how it is. Whether it be Mysterio, Orton, Cena, Sheamus, HBK, Triple H, The Rock, Stone Cold, Taker, CM Punk or any other huge name that Jericho has ultimately gotten the worst of when it comes to a feud; Jericho always comes out smelling like a rose. In order for Jericho's effectiveness as a main eventer hasn't been depreciated by this quality. In my view, it's something that's helped to cement his status. Jericho is someone that can be counted on as a go to guy when you want a veteran to help put over a young star while still looking like a world class wrestler all at the same time. Very, very few people are able or would be able to succeed in this same little niche that Jericho has.

 

[The Crock]

Not a chance. The Jericho/Ziggler is a "test" of sorts for Ziggler. Jericho can put on a great match/feud/promo with just about anybody -- Ziggler needs to prove that he's on that level, too (in a kayfabe and non-kayfabe perspective). I mean, what could Jericho possibly take away from beating Ziggler -- what's left for Jericho to do? Jericho, like almost every veteran in his position before him, is leaving on his back. Jericho's going to put someone over and help solidify the future of wrestling. This, in all honesty, might just be the end of Jericho's career and even if it would be nice to see someone of his caliber go out on a win, it makes absolutely no sense.

Let's just say this isn't the end (or near it) of Jericho's career and he'll still have some gas left in the tank -- I still don't see him winning the Money in the Bank briefcase. Jericho's one of those guys who can lose to anybody on the roster, but give him a microphone and he'll have you convinced that he deserves to be in the world title hunt. By that same token, he's a very useful midcard talent, too. Jericho is best served in making others look like gold and giving them everything they need to be successful -- that's always been his strength, not going out and stealing the show (much to the IWC's chagrin).

Jericho's an old-school thinker. He'll put Ziggler over and try to help him reach that next level, just as he should -- as a matter of fact, I don't think he'd even accept the feud knowing that he'd go over, as it's just not how Jericho does business (he acknowledges it himself).

 

[Cats Pajamas]

Is Jericho even a Smackdown superstar? I've missed several months of wrestling...

I hate the idea of putting a MITB contract on the line in a regular match. Why even have the damned ladder match? But I would definitely get the briefcase away from Ziggles. Use it as a catalyst to give him television time to practice his talking for a few months then null the contract by "firing him from Smackdown" or something equally stupid.

Ziggles is too great a talent to half ass his first big Title Reign or to pull the trigger before he's ready to bullseye (I.e. Swagger). Wrestling wise, he's 100% solid. Promo wise, he flat out sucks. Wait another year to give him a title run and have him take the better WWE TITLE from the infinitely more popular JOHN CENA. We all know Ziggles deserves it...

P.s. this is going to be a great feud anyway...

 

[klunderbunker]

No. Jericho is at the point where he does not need a win to stay relevant. He's a guy that losses don't hurt, much like Shawn was about 5 years ago. You're going to get good matches and promos out of him and a win over him still means something.

Jericho does not need to win the MITB case from Ziggler, but in case they go that way, no he shouldn't win. Jericho isn't exactly an interesting champion. He's one of the guys that is way better in the chase than being on top of the mountain. Jericho doesn't need to win this at all.

The same applies for question three. Jericho is fine as a main event jobber and at his age, there's nothing wrong with that. Actually it's incredibly valuable because he can be on standby for a main event spot if need be. Got an injury to a heel main event guy three weeks before a title match? Jericho can be thrown in there with ease and you know you'll get a good match. He has what, six world titles? There's his qualification for earning a title match and his matches are still good enough that you believe he could pull off an upset.

Jericho does not need MITB at all.

 

[thedon2001]

ive been a long time Jericho fan so i'm biased. If his heart was really into wrestling and it was the priority i would have booked him to win in the chamber and lose to Punk at Mania.

I just don't feel Jericho has much left he wants to prove. He comes back to put over the next generation, which is the correct way an established and already successful wrestler should do.

For me personally i'd love to see him win the belt, but that's selfish and not productive when you're trying to promote the next generation.

 

[Desyar]

Why is everyone assuming Dolph needs to cash in the briefcase to get over? If WWE wants him to get over they'll just have win the title, like what they did with Sheamus.

Besides we already have too many generic heels who successfully cashed in the briefcase and won the title: Miz, Del Rio, Swagger. And they still ended up as mediocre superstars after losing the title.

Let's face it. Edge made it further cause it was epic when he cashed in the first MITB. But now it's just overplayed.

 

[Trance Metaphor]

Chris Trollicho is done with winning. I can see that as clear as day. At the same time, I don't think a victory over Chris Jericho means anything nowadays since he hasn't done anything upon his return to establish why he still means anything. He hasn't beaten anyone to come off as a legitimate threat or someone to beat. Like I said in another thread, I don't care about his past accomplishments. What has he done today aside from being a predictable jobber? With that being said, I don't think Jericho should win the MitB from Dolph Ziggler. That's nonsensical considering how Ziggler won the MitB match and deserves a shot, while Jericho is gonna be leaving soon anyway. What's the point? It would be a waste. Dolph Ziggler will beat Chris Jericho and move on to possibly win the World Heavyweight Championship from Sheamus or Alberto Del Rio.

 

[Anthony Caimano]

Jericho has too many obligations with his band to hold a title right now.

It would be interesting to see someone like Jericho hold down the IC title for a little while. It would be helpful in spiking the popularity in the division. The show could feature a 'king of the ring' type format over several weeks to decide the #1 contender. Jericho wouldn't have to be present each week and the title would be held in the spotlight. It would also be a way to introduce FCW superstars as well as push NXT alumni since they would be feuding with guys like Cody Rhodes and Christian.

 

[HBsam31]

1) Would you have Chris Jericho beat Dolph Ziggler for the MITB Briefcase?

I wouldn't mind seeing Hericho defeat Ziggler, but there is no need to have the case on the line. I feel Ziggler has worked hard and the briefcase is his reward and a way to get him over the hump as a main eventer.

2) (If he did win it as they seem to be heading that way) Would you have him win or lose when he cashes it in?

If for some reason he did win it then i would like to see Jericho put over whoever the champion is and lose the match. The whole point of his return this time was to put others over.

3) Finally considering he has put over EVERYONE since he returned and hasn't won at a PPV in something like two years, Do you think Chris Jericho will ever be effective as main eventer again?

I think Jericho is at a point where he doesn't need or want to be in the main event, but if he was ever called upon to do so I think he would fit back in great. He has done it all in this business, and a few big wins could put him right back in the hunt if that was what he wanted.