Will there ever be another Mankind a.k.a. Mick Foley?

[hArdyPUNKmArk]

I was watching Undertaker's and Mankind's HIAC match on youtube the other night and i was thinking to myself, Fuck! Where have these types of match's gone?

Why aren't guys jumping off massive things anymore, taking more risks and showing extreme courage.

Because Mick Foley is no more, he was the one hitting all those spots in that match and taking the massive falls. No one else in the WWE is doing anything remotely close to what Foley use to do. Jeff Hardy, yeah to a certain extent jumps off high things, but they're always much better things to land on, or we cant even see the landing, like when he went up against Umaga last year.

But Mick was jumping off that cell straight onto the announce table, and didnt he puncture a lung or something and kept going? Then he was chokeslammed through the cell down to the ring!! I havnt seen anyone since Foley to have the courage and skill to take the BIG falls yet and am wondering if we ever will. What with the PG rating and Vince is probably scared of law suites if a wrestler gets really hurt... But i wanna see a match like this again sometime and fear it will never happen...

What do you guys think, will there ever be another superstar that can do what Mick Foley used to?

 

[Think]

What do you guys think, will there ever be another superstar that can do what Mick Foley used to?

Can? Yeah. Would? Besides the fact that Foley was one of a kind, they won't want to render a risk in casualties when, largely, our dumb fan base more than suffices to matches of people like Batista -- 'scuse me, Boretisa, Cryme Tyme, Cena, et cetera.

 

[klunderbunker]

Can't imagine it for more than one reason. To begin with, anyone can dive off of things or destroy their bodies like Foley did. Hell there's been more violent things in places like CZW. The aspect that Foley had was that he could make people care about him. Another thing is that as has been pointed out so many times before, when that was done it was mind blowing and it still would be today, but just slightly less amazing. Foley did it first and he did it best. You also factor in the PG aspect at the moment, and I can't imagine someone else being asked to do that. What he did in that match was dumb but also included a lot of luck. One foot either way and he's dead, with Taker possibly in legal trouble over it. Factor in taht the chokeslam was an accident and that's purely amazing. That won't ever happen again because no one is talented enough to do waht Foley did with it, and without that it's not worth the risk.

 

[hArdyPUNKmArk]

Yeah i guess i know what you guys are saying. I guess the PG rating would play a big part as well as the risk of law suits. It really is quite saddening though to know that no one will do those things anymore because he really did blow people away with that match, for me the Undertaker was jobbing to Foley, even though Foley was the one getting his arse kicked. That whole match was more than just a match, it really was one of a kind and it sux we probably wont see another one like it for a really long time, if at all.

Mick Foley i guess was the one that made that match, not just his crazy falls, the personality and courage he showed was amazing, it really really does suck we wont see it again...

 

[CJGV1]

i think with the whole pg thing wwe is going for rite now its not likely. mick came to stardom when it was acceptable in the wwe to b dangerous (although vince did ask him not to b so reckless again after the HINC). i dnt think wwe wants to promote throwing guys off cages to kids.

 

[Lee]

IT HAS FUCK ALL TO DO WITH THE PG RATING STOP BLAMING THE PG RATING ON EVERYTHING

Did you see Randy Orton get busted open last week? I did. Did you see Jeff jump off the ladder onto Chavo on the announcers table at the Rumble? I did.

The thing is, at the time Foley jumping off the cell was new, now we've seen it all time and time again, wrestling has evolved once again and hardcore is good once in a while. It will still happen, just don't blame PG ratings or vince, it's getting VERY boring reading half of you have a go at PG ratings.

That whole match was more than just a match, it really was one of a kind and it sux we probably wont see another one like it for a really long time, if at all.

Erm isn't that the whole thing with being one a kind, that it happens only once?

 

[golden miz]

well theirs many foleys out their hell matt sydal has done some more extreeme things in his carrer then foley, right now wwe's indenity has moved from hardcoreif you nticed the rare occurance of any match with a wepon, its not wwe's falt but once hardcore comes back nother foley will resurface likely evan bourne or someone new

 

[hArdyPUNKmArk]

IT HAS FUCK ALL TO DO WITH THE PG RATING STOP BLAMING THE PG RATING ON EVERYTHING

First of all, im not blamin it all on the PG rating, but it would add to the fact you dont see someone being as dangerous as Foley was in that match. That pl I love Jeff Hardy but his jump off the ladder at the rumble wasnt at all like the HIAC Foley jumped off.

Did you see Randy Orton get busted open last week? I did. Did you see Jeff jump off the ladder onto Chavo on the announcers table at the Rumble? I did.

Yeah, it was good to see. I'm not one of the guys that is constantly raggin on the PG rating but it does play a part i think in this discussion. When it comes down to it, wrestling was more dangerous than it is now. Now, that is probably due to a number of reasons, law suits from wrestlers if they hurt themselves, maybe no one has the guts to do what Foley did, and also some of it would fall on the PG rating. Vince wouldnt want a legit hardcore injury happening infront of the kiddies where as before it was the attitude era and people WANTED to see someone absolutley axe themselves.

The thing is, at the time Foley jumping off the cell was new, now we've seen it all time and time again

Can you honestly say that there has been a match like this since?!?!

Erm isn't that the whole thing with being one a kind, that it happens only once?

One of a kind now and probably will be, there's no taking away from that but there can still be matches of the same caliber and excitement that that match had, doesnt mean it still wont be one of a kind.

 

[Criss Hardy]

Its funny cause today i was on a ladder and it wasnt even 6 feet and when you get up there its creepy, it seems way higher up than it really is. all i know is i have respect for those guys for being able to do what they do.

 

[pandanwh]

I think the bigger question is whether the WWwhatever will hire one. There are tons of people like him on the indys. The other day I read about a wrestler who finished a match after severing a finger.
In the days of PG ratings we wont every see a Mick again.

 

[Engage87]

Like I've already read before there are tons of indy wreslters who could be the next foley who are willing to put it all on the line.. but the WWE has goe PG so they probably would'nt want to hire them and even if they did proabably would just job them and do something stupid with them. The new generation of superstars like orton, dibasie,rhoades,davey boy smith, teddy hart etc thats where its at.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I was watching Undertaker's and Mankind's HIAC match on youtube the other night and i was thinking to myself, Fuck! Where have these types of match's gone?

Yeah, I can't imagine why we don't have more matches where there is a total of 3 major bumps, and the rest is glorified shit. That match was horrible, and not in any good way. So he went for a ride off, through and all over the Hell in a Cell. That's not talent, that's the lack there of, and trying to replace it with shock and awe.

Why aren't guys jumping off massive things anymore, taking more risks and showing extreme courage.

You mean, extreme stupidity. Guy's who leap off high objects aren't courageous. They're just doing what they feel they must, to cover up the fact that they can't entertain any other way.

I never seen the likes of Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Randy Savage or Steve Austin leap off scaffolds to gain a rise outta the crowd. So clearly, it's only done by those who can't perform and entertain the way true Wrestlers should know how to.

Because Mick Foley is no more, he was the one hitting all those spots in that match and taking the massive falls. No one else in the WWE is doing anything remotely close to what Foley use to do. Jeff Hardy, yeah to a certain extent jumps off high things, but they're always much better things to land on, or we cant even see the landing, like when he went up against Umaga last year.

The closest you're going to get to anything like this, is Money in the Bank, or Jeff Hardy in general. Hardy knows he's shit, so as a result in order to remain in a meaningful storyline.. he's likely signed a waiver that stands he'll stupidity leap off something high every 3-4 weeks.

But Mick was jumping off that cell straight onto the announce table, and didnt he puncture a lung or something and kept going? Then he was chokeslammed through the cell down to the ring!! I havnt seen anyone since Foley to have the courage and skill to take the BIG falls yet and am wondering if we ever will. What with the PG rating and Vince is probably scared of law suites if a wrestler gets really hurt... But i wanna see a match like this again sometime and fear it will never happen...

I think this pretty much says it all. Why intentionally place your Superstars in stupid situations that they don't need to do, if they merely have enough talent to entertain otherwise?

Mick Foley, before the HIAC match.. was almost forgotten and ignored. After, he's suddenly "a Wrestling legend". So on that note, I guess Shane McMahon is "a Wrestling Icon". Fuck that.

What do you guys think, will there ever be another superstar that can do what Mick Foley used to?

I sure as hell hope not. If I wanted to see Hardcore violence and random stupidity, I'd watch really old E.C.W. tapes.

The W.W.E. doesn't have to entertain me by showing someone leap 60 feet into a dumpster of padding. I'm quite fine enjoying actual in-ring talent, and storylines that mean something other than how far a Wrestler can abuse his body before it takes a toll.

 

[GameOver]

Those types of matches won't happen now with the new PG rating for one thing, and also that was a completely different generation, the new generation is old school tough. Most guys now are diva's and also Vince doesn't want them getting hurt all the time which happens as soon as they do bump the damage up during matches.

Remember after the attitude era they softened down the product for a while cause so many people were getting seriously injured which in turn takes a tole on the product as a whole

Now will we see someone who is a funny as Mick Foley and to a lesser extent an Attitude era Mankind/Kane, just watch TNA Mick and Abyss are there. Mick Foley is coimpletely different than Mankind. Mick Foley can easily exist in PG rating, Mankind would be different.

 

[AgeOfOrton]

i dont think anybody will ever fill mick foleys shoes with a similar gimmick to mankind u kinda see abyss in tna try and pull it off with the whole hardcore thing going on like you see abyss doing the thing with the tacks and fire but we have seen it all before from mick foley but foley has taken far more life risking bumps.

 

[streicher187]

I think the bigger question is whether the WWwhatever will hire one. There are tons of people like him on the indys. The other day I read about a wrestler who finished a match after severing a finger.
In the days of PG ratings we wont every see a Mick again.

Like your signature esp. after getting a warning for listing the WM matches I would like to see in a thread about who will be wrestling at Mania

I was there at the ppv that the match took place with Taker and Foley, it's probably the only time Steve Austin was wrestling in the Main event that no one cared, all they were buzzing about is what they just saw with Foley and gave him a standing ovation as he was leaving after the heat he had been getting..

 

[kenvin100]

I dont understand your question, are you asking if WWE will find a gimmick related to Mankind or in terms of wrestling style?

I say yes to the gimmick and no to the wrestling style..I really doubt falling on a bunch of thumbtacks, or dropping 20ft in the air onto an announcetable, or going through a flaming table, or having part of your ear torn off is PG13 lol. Hardcore matches will still exist in WWE, and there will be blood, just nothing close to the things Mic Foley did to his body!

 

[supergav67]

Its funny you should say that.In another thread we,re talking about who TNA should sign that,d be different ,& there they go sign Foley when they already have Abyss.
Some might say,not in the same league but if ever one guy looked like he was copying anothers gimmick,,,! ,,,.You never see them on Tv together-strange,,

 

[Chill]

I'm not sure..it all depends on who is willing to abuse their bodies in order to get a pop from the crowd. Personally, I respect what foley did but I always cringe when I watch that cell match because you just know it's insane what he did...looking back it was good but not something I wana see all the time. As has been mentioned there are easier ways to get a crowd reaction.

 

[TwistofRKO]

The closest thing you'll get is the electrifying Jeff Hardy, but since his main event status he's been kept under wraps. I don't think you'll see anybody as good at it as Foley though. That's why he's a legend.