Why isn't Randy Savage...

[SquareSix]

Why isn't Randy Savage given the respect that he deserves so much? He was a great mesh of technical wrestling and high flying (at least high flying for the 80s). The man could also deliver a great promo and was over with the crowd big time both as heel and face. He was the closest thing to equal Hogan in the 80s leading up to, during and after the Mega Powers. And don't even get me started on the whole angle with Andre the Giant. Hulk had his matches against him and damn if that wasn't some of the sloppiest/repetitive work I've watched. During Savage's matches with Andre, there was more than punches and clotheslines. Granted, there wasn't much more because it was against Andre so there wasn't a plethora of moves that you could do to a guy that size; but, give me a Randy Savage & Andre match over a Hogan & Andre match any day. Yet any mention of Andre sparks talk of Hogan. That has a great deal to do with WM 3 in front of that massive crowd and the fact that it was Andre's first loss. I realize that and also realize that once Andre had been beaten by Hulk it caused him to lose some of what made him special therefore it wasn't as big of a deal for someone else to beat him. But, shouldn't people take that into consideration and in turn see that Savage's matches with him were overall better?

So what happened? There is only a rare mention of him today from guys who looked up to him during the Savage/Steamboat fued. But for the most part, it is always Hogan who gets the nod when people talk about wrestling in the 80s and even when you mention NWO. Have people completley forgot Macho was a key part of the NWO?

What is it that happened or didn't happen regarding Savage to make him as important to wrestling as Hogan. Why isn't he given the respect he earned? I'm interested in hearing what you guys think about it.

 

[0binary1]

Yeah I hear you man. Macho man had a better variety of moves. I was very young back then, but i always liked hogan better. In retrospect, I was wrong as a child. WWE/F has always had a way of making you like the people they want you to like. It has great influence as a child. Savage was way better and more technial. Here's another question..... Why isn't Randy in the HOF? It pisses me off. He deserves to be there. I guess it has something to do with his alleged affair with Stephanie? I don't get it. Austin is going in the HOF this year and still no Macho Man.I just know The Macho Man doesn't get the credit he deserves. He deserves better.

 

[Hulkster4Life]

Hell yea.. Macho Man is my 2nd fav wrestler of all time, Hogan being my 1st.. I used to love watching Macho Man as much as I loved watching Hogan.. Macho Man had some classic matches thrugh his career.. he won the world title at WM 4... Had a classic match wit Hogan at Mania 5, Classic Match wit Steamboat at Mania 3, A classic match wit Ultimate Warrior at Mania 7, Won the world titke at Mania 8 against ric flair in another classic match.. Macho Man stole the show in Mania 3, 7, and 8.. And Summerslam 91 had another classic match wit the Warrior in a retirement match.. Had great managers in Elizebeth and Sherri... Macho Man is def a HOF'mer and is def someone who diserves as much respect as Hogan... Without Macho Man i dont think Hulk Hogan would even be as big as he is today... MACHO MAN RULES.. the Mega Powers were the best tag team ever!!!!!!!

 

[GameOver]

Um you do realise theres some huge falling out between him and WWE right? Therefore he is not to be mentioned. Jim cornette said in shoot interviews, without actually saying what happened that Randy had lots of enemies in the office, not necessarily Vince McMahon himself, and also from Randy himself, he has no desire to get back in a WWE ring as he has nothing to prove and is financially secure.

Though him being blacklisted from WWE mentioning like Chris Benoit (who also is mentioned in some part) thats not entirely true cause he is featured alot on the WWE Vintage Collection, almost every week actually. and on WWF 24/7, also theres a DVD coming out, as to how that will look i don't know.

onto my feelings, he was as technical as Bret Hart and could be as charasmatic as everyone on the roster with the exception of perhaps Hogan. He was also the ultimate heel along with Ted Dibiase during that era yet at the same time had a huge Macho Madness fanbase. once his WWF tenure was over and he went to WCW he faded away along with countless other huge names that Eric Bischoff/WCW buried.

I was on his bandwagon from day 1 til the end. outside of wrestling career i have a different opnion, sure he probably has a right to be pissed but some of the things he has said in text and on interviews since WCW went bust. He's a legit psycho

Sad that he will likely never be in the HOF, not that he needs it i still have all the major PPV's from WrestleMania 1-10 so i can relive his greatness at anytime

 

[midusone]

You know I'm pretty torn over this thread. partly it's because MM to me is one of the best in ring performers of all time. mostly though it's because in the 80's he was held way back because of the hogan train that plowed through the decade. If you all look back you'll remember that Macho spent a good protion of the 80's as a mid carder and it really wasn't until the early 90's that Savage was a key element in the title scene. And mostly that was so they could build up to the Flair-Hogan fued that never happened.

 

[WrestlingHistorian]

4 years go I made a list of my top 100 favorite wrestlers of all-time and Randy Savage was at the top of the list at #1, and your right, he does not get the respect that others get, but he was one of the best competitors of the 80's and early 90's and he has done enough to be considered a great competitor within his day. I reserve the word "Legend" for a very few select people, but Randy was definatly close in my eyes.

Here is my TRUE "Legends" list.....
Harley Race
Ric Flair
Hulk Hogan
Antonio Inoki
Kieji Motoh
Jushin Thunder Liger
Mil Mascaras
Andre the Giant
Bruno Sammartino
Pedro Moralas
Dory Funk Jr.
Rikidozan
Lout Thez
Buddy Rogers

 

[midnightrider09]

Macho Man is the reason I fell in love with wrestling. I remember seeing NWA on TBS on saturday mornings after the cartoons went off, but the first match I remember sitting down and watching was when my dad rented the WM5 VHS after it had just came out and I remember saying who is this guy who was beating the shit out of Hulk Hogan and thinking that this guy is scary, funny, and dangerous all at the same time! since then I been hooked granted his WCW stuff was rather......"doo doo" ifyouwheel but it was still good. Honestly I hope that he doesent go to the HOF I mean they are actually going to induct KO KO B. Ware before the Macho Man, I mean yeah he was in the WWF during the "good ol days" but name one noteable fued....... If i was Macho Man when they ask him and they eventually will he should say thanks but no thanks.

 

[WrestlingHistorian]

Macho Man is the reason I fell in love with wrestling. I remember seeing NWA on TBS on saturday mornings after the cartoons went off, but the first match I remember sitting down and watching was when my dad rented the WM5 VHS after it had just came out and I remember saying who is this guy who was beating the shit out of Hulk Hogan and thinking that this guy is scary, funny, and dangerous all at the same time! since then I been hooked granted his WCW stuff was rather......"doo doo" ifyouwheel but it was still good. Honestly I hope that he doesent go to the HOF I mean they are actually going to induct KO KO B. Ware before the Macho Man, I mean yeah he was in the WWF during the "good ol days" but name one noteable fued....... If i was Macho Man when they ask him and they eventually will he should say thanks but no thanks.

Macho Man is in the REAL Professional Wrestling Hall of Fame, check out the real HOF at http://www.pwhf.org/ and you will see he made it into the latest class of inductees I beleive.

Savage was a great competitor, he deserves his place in both the real HOF and the WWE HOF.

 

[Slyfox696]

I'm not sure who you are referring to when you say that Savage isn't given respect. He is regarded by the majority of wrestling fans as one of the best workers in the business over the last 30 years.

As for why the WWE doesn't recognize him, that comes down to the thing that wrestling fans have been wanting to know for a LONG time.

 

[Jordan adams]

I think randy gets respect from fans but not from vince. And that just vince doesent like him. But i don't know ultimate warrior gets more respect than savage does when warrior is one few guys that just about no one likes in the company. Savage should be in the hall of fame. And talking about hogan my fav hogan match is agianst randy savage at wm5. and thats not my fav randy savage match. WM8 agianst fliar is my fav.

 

[dmacizdman]

Savage's storylines were great. Who could forget the build up with George "The Animal" Steele that culminated into, what I thought was, the greatest match ever at WM3 between Steamboat and Savage for the IC title (back when the IC title actually meant something).

One thing that was great about Savage was he would practice choreographing each detail of the match until they both got it down.

The Flair-Savage storyline was ok, but Savage as a heel was awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV-0cCTmGmE


Found a Lawler vs. Savage cage match.

 

[Mojorisen]

I believe without a doubt.. the best wrestler to come out of the 80's besides "arguably" Ric Flair -- was definitely the Macho Man Randy Savage... If you watch just one of Hogans matches during the 80's you pretty much saw ALL of Hogans matches during the 80's.... Savage was unbelievable with his intensity, in ring ability being a great second generation star, and on the mic he was original and great.. hell I even like to watch Black Machismo theses days cause he brings back that nostalgia... Savage had awesome matches with Jake the Snake, Tito Santana, Hogan, DiBiase, Warrior, Steamboat, Hell his feud with the Animal Steele and Bruno Sanmartino was good.. On to WCW.. He made DDP look legitimate, and was great in the Wolf Pack v NWO angle bringing back that natural on again off again heat with Hogan, and had some of the best matches brett Hart had in WCW.. So.. yeah.. he is getting a RAW Deal.. First I heard of any relationship with Stephanie McMahon... But whatever else he did to Vince by bailing on him or whatever was a business decision and he made vince alot of money when Hogan thought he was an actor.. so Im glad we the Fans can keep his place in Wrestling, right at the top, where he should be. (I didnt even mention his pre-wwe work with Jerry Lawler and the Rock and Roll Express -- that was awesome...)

 

[FlairFan2003]

You know I'm pretty torn over this thread. partly it's because MM to me is one of the best in ring performers of all time. mostly though it's because in the 80's he was held way back because of the hogan train that plowed through the decade. If you all look back you'll remember that Macho spent a good protion of the 80's as a mid carder and it really wasn't until the early 90's that Savage was a key element in the title scene. And mostly that was so they could build up to the Flair-Hogan fued that never happened.

Actually, Savage and Hogan wrestled a huge fued in 1986 when Savage was IC Champ, including some cage matches that are amongthe best Hogan ever had. Savage was not a mid carder during that time as his feuds with Hogan and Steamboat thru 1987 kept him pretty high profile. That would be like saying Dusty Rhodes or Tully Blanchard were mid carders because Flair was champ. Yeah, he was champ but who wrestled right underneath him night after night. John Cena and Randy Orton are not champs right now but I'd hardly call them midcarders, same with HBK.

Savage's best title run was actually 1988-89 when he won the WrestleMania Tournament for the vacated title then had nice runs with Ted DiBiase and Ultimate Warrior before finally losing to Hogan.

In the early 90's, Savage was MIA a lot. He sat out nearly a year after losing a retirement match to Warrior, then went to TV announcing duties and rarely wrestled from late 92-94. He did have some very good matches with Jake Roberts and Ric Flair in 92 but that was probably the highlight of his early
90's work. He was a much bigger player in the company's success in the mid to late 80's than he was in the early 90's.

That being said, he deserves a spot in the HOF. WWE is supposed to (finally) release a DVD Retrospective of his career, with lots of Hogan and Flair matches on it, although apparently a deal could not be reached for him to either participate in the match selection process (like Brett Hart did) or host the compilation himself the way other stars have done.

Apparently whatever rift exists between him and McMahon is pretty big cause when it comes to making money Vince will forgive a lot. He certainly had no problems patching up differences with Dusty Rhodes and Hart to get their involvement in DVD projects, not too mention Hogan.

 

[Shocky]

Savage gets plenty of respect from the people old enough to properly remember the man in proper context. in fact, i'd wager to say that most people that are around my age probably consider Randy Savage to be one of the greatest in ring performers of all time.

Your problem is more thenlikely why doesn't the WWE recognize Randy Savage as a great performer. The WWE has recently come off of their no Macho Man stance, as on DVD's he's getting the nod. The only knock Savage gets is his promos, but no one in their wildest mind knocks the guy in the ring and his ability.

Plus, there's a Macho Man DVD in the works that's coming out this June. Now, we'll know for certain what the WWE thinks of Savage come that time. If it ends up being a Self Destruction remake, this time starring Macho Man, then the WWE isn't too fond of the guy.

Macho Man is simply one of those guys that as a fan you get frustrated immensely with Mr. McMahon and his ego.

 

[FiveTymeWCWChamp]

Savage had great promos, until the end. He is in my top ten of wrestlers during my lifetime (I am 29). One thing all of the greats have is a catch phrase. What better catch phrase than "ooh yeah!" Plus, he could wrestle with the best of them.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

Why isn't Randy Savage in the WWE Hall Of Fame? Well the answer is simple Vince Mcmahon. We all know he can hold a grudge,and this might be one he'll never let go.

 

[SavageTaker]

There have been countless rumors as to why Savage isnt in the hall of fame,and like Sgt.Slaughter said in a recent interview,he should just call vince and bury the hatchet,even if whatever happened wasnt his fault.

Randy definetly deserves to be in the hall of fame.He was great at whatever he was doing whether it be a babyface or heel or a commentator he was still great no matter what.

I wonder if we will ever found out why he has been neglected for so long by the wwe,will randy savage or vince speak out about what took place,did randy testify against vince in the steroid trial? did he have an affair with stephanie when she was very young?i guess we will never know,unless one of em speaks out.

just imagine if they go on the biggest talk show in america,both of them on stage at the same time,revealing what took place between them.Wow.that would be quite an interview.and imagine if they ended up burying the hatchet and hugging,or at least shaking hands.

 

[GameOver]

Funny too that Savage is blacklisted sort of, and yet the Ultiamte Warrior that sued WWE and VInce McMahon is included in the Legends of WrestleMania game

 

[DC24]

Savage was on the video game but had him took off; I know in Brets book he said Vince was hurt when Randy called him 3:30am telling him he was going to WCW without giving him a chance to match there offer; Bret did say Vince was treating Randy like he was on the bottom of the roster. But as fans how can we take the HOF serious when Ko Ko B Ware is in but Savage is not.

 

[avi01]

He doesn`t get respect from WWE executives but is totally respected by the fans....just read this thread as proof. He was one hell of a wrestler...brilliant in ring work and capable of carrying some solid storylines.

I remember reading there was something with Stephanie....I`m not sure tho. Can anybody clear me on this?